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No wristbands or alcohol in public? How Maui is ruining its own tourism

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nimbleharbor10 nimbleharbor10 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
Look, this isn't some novel issue; it’s a cycle that repeats year after year, not just on Maui, but in a thousand little towns all across California. As long as church bells are allowed to wake up tourists in the early morning, they might as well go ahead and ban walking through the center of "town"—and I use quotes there because, let's be honest, Maui isn't really a city; it's more of a tiny village, a cute little spot filled with old stone buildings that perhaps functioned as a city back in the Middle Ages, but today it's nothing more than a tourist trap. Next, they'll probably try to ban drinking alcohol in public spaces, insisting everyone patronize "diverse establishments with an extensive selection" instead.

The whole concept strikes me as ridiculous. People don't travel to Maui looking for "museums" or "high culture." They come for the ocean and the relaxation. There is infinitely more culture to be found in the major European cities these travelers are coming from. Besides, if someone happens to strip down (or just stay in their swimwear) in a park or by a river in the middle of Chicago, nobody thinks twice about it, no one is shocked, and nobody feels threatened. It's summer; people swim and sunbathe, which is perfectly normal behavior. New York allows men and women to walk through the city center shirtless, yet compared to a metropolis like New York, Maui acts like a den of debauchery.
Not to mention how, in the center of almost every city in Europe, people stroll around in the summer wearing shorts, tank tops, and all sorts of non-traditional clothing without anyone batting an eye.

Bottom line: dear Maui, you aren't getting my money.
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#2 ·
It basically boils down to this: we’ve got an unemployed priest trying to baptize lambs.
We’ve been leaning on tourism as our primary lifeline for way too long. We could actually make some real money if the global number of travelers wasn't shrinking—and if they actually acted like locals. Imagine if they woke up at dawn, played some lawn games, and were tucked in by 9 PM. Every major news outlet is reporting a massive slump in arrivals this July. There was even a solid analytical piece over on Index covering the whole mess:
Sam Jackson29 Sam Jackson29 Member
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joined May 2011
#3 ·
nimbleharbor10 said:Look, this isn't some novel issue; it’s a cycle that repeats year after year, not just on Maui, but in a thousand little towns all across California. As long as church bells are allowed to wake up tourists in the early morning, they might as well go ahead and ban walking through the center of "town"—and I use quotes there because, let's be honest, Maui isn't really a city; it's more of a tiny village, a cute little spot filled with old stone buildings that perhaps functioned as a city back in the Middle Ages, but today it's nothing more than a tourist trap. Next, they'll probably try to ban drinking alcohol in public spaces, insisting everyone patronize "diverse establishments with an extensive selection" instead.

The whole concept strikes me as ridiculous. People don't travel to Maui looking for "museums" or "high culture." They come for the ocean and the relaxation. There is infinitely more culture to be found in the major European cities these travelers are coming from. Besides, if someone happens to strip down (or just stay in their swimwear) in a park or by a river in the middle of Chicago, nobody thinks twice about it, no one is shocked, and nobody feels threatened. It's summer; people swim and sunbathe, which is perfectly normal behavior. New York allows men and women to walk through the city center shirtless, yet compared to a metropolis like New York, Maui acts like a den of debauchery.
Not to mention how, in the center of almost every city in Europe, people stroll around in the summer wearing shorts, tank tops, and all sorts of non-traditional clothing without anyone batting an eye.

Bottom line: dear Maui, you aren't getting my money.

Oh, really?

I’m hearing for the very first time that, say, in my own little seaside town, walking around "half-naked" is actually forbidden.🤣
Apparently, we’re the first locals who aren't following the rules.
And what about the kids? What happened to them?

Besides, I have no idea how they even plan to enforce this in Maui. You’ve got boat slips right in the middle of the downtown area—so what? Once someone steps off their boat, are they suddenly required to go find clothes immediately?🙄

Honestly, I think the whole thing is pure fantasy. It exists only on paper in some brochure, because it’ll never actually happen in real life.😁
Sam Ruiz60 Sam Ruiz60 Member
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#4 ·
It’s pretty obvious this hit a nerve with you, especially since you spend your vacation “filming” half-naked tourists on the beach.😁
You’re going to have to find somewhere else to do that.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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joined Jan 2016
#5 ·
Robin Rodriguez5 said:It basically boils down to this: we’ve got an unemployed priest trying to baptize lambs.
We’ve been leaning on tourism as our primary lifeline for way too long. We could actually make some real money if the global number of travelers wasn't shrinking—and if they actually acted like locals. Imagine if they woke up at dawn, played some lawn games, and were tucked in by 9 PM. Every major news outlet is reporting a massive slump in arrivals this July. There was even a solid analytical piece over on Index covering the whole mess:

Honestly, I think the best solution would be to just wire them the cash and tell them not to show up at all. 🤣
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#6 ·
One of the most delicate decisions when drafting a destination's tourism strategy involves deciding exactly which demographic you want to court.

The whole "work hard, play hard" mantra is everywhere these days. But let’s be clear—Maui isn't some cheap little tourist trap; it stands as one of the few truly elite destinations along the entire Atlantic Ocean. I suspect even Hegel might be spinning in his grave like a ceiling fan at this point, because in the world of tourism, sheer volume doesn't automatically translate to quality.

Choosing to pivot Maui toward a more discerning, high-end clientele is certainly a gutsy move—mostly because I know all those local backwater-commentators will be jumping for joy at any sign of failure—but it’s absolutely not a decision made out of mockery.
Carol Diaz Carol Diaz Member
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joined Apr 2008
#7 ·
nimbleharbor10 said:Look, this isn't some novel issue; it’s a cycle that repeats year after year, not just on Maui, but in a thousand little towns all across California. As long as church bells are allowed to wake up tourists in the early morning, they might as well go ahead and ban walking through the center of "town"—and I use quotes there because, let's be honest, Maui isn't really a city; it's more of a tiny village, a cute little spot filled with old stone buildings that perhaps functioned as a city back in the Middle Ages, but today it's nothing more than a tourist trap. Next, they'll probably try to ban drinking alcohol in public spaces, insisting everyone patronize "diverse establishments with an extensive selection" instead.

The whole concept strikes me as ridiculous. People don't travel to Maui looking for "museums" or "high culture." They come for the ocean and the relaxation. There is infinitely more culture to be found in the major European cities these travelers are coming from. Besides, if someone happens to strip down (or just stay in their swimwear) in a park or by a river in the middle of Chicago, nobody thinks twice about it, no one is shocked, and nobody feels threatened. It's summer; people swim and sunbathe, which is perfectly normal behavior. New York allows men and women to walk through the city center shirtless, yet compared to a metropolis like New York, Maui acts like a den of debauchery.
Not to mention how, in the center of almost every city in Europe, people stroll around in the summer wearing shorts, tank tops, and all sorts of non-traditional clothing without anyone batting an eye.

Bottom line: dear Maui, you aren't getting my money.

And so what? Is it really asking too much to expect people to behave decently in public?
Carol Diaz Carol Diaz Member
24 messages
joined Apr 2008
#8 ·
Robin Rodriguez5 said:It basically boils down to this: we’ve got an unemployed priest trying to baptize lambs.
We’ve been leaning on tourism as our primary lifeline for way too long. We could actually make some real money if the global number of travelers wasn't shrinking—and if they actually acted like locals. Imagine if they woke up at dawn, played some lawn games, and were tucked in by 9 PM. Every major news outlet is reporting a massive slump in arrivals this July. There was even a solid analytical piece over on Index covering the whole mess:

And then we have the usual nonsensical arguments claiming that America is simply too expensive and that we need to slash prices... Look, I assume the people actually running the businesses know exactly what their margins should be.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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joined Jan 2016
#9 ·
Nicholas King said:One of the most delicate decisions when drafting a destination's tourism strategy involves deciding exactly which demographic you want to court.

The whole "work hard, play hard" mantra is everywhere these days. But let’s be clear—Maui isn't some cheap little tourist trap; it stands as one of the few truly elite destinations along the entire Atlantic Ocean. I suspect even Hegel might be spinning in his grave like a ceiling fan at this point, because in the world of tourism, sheer volume doesn't automatically translate to quality.

Choosing to pivot Maui toward a more discerning, high-end clientele is certainly a gutsy move—mostly because I know all those local backwater-commentators will be jumping for joy at any sign of failure—but it’s absolutely not a decision made out of mockery.

But honestly, looking back after all this time? It feels pretty foolish.
For years, Maui was constantly in the news for its party scene, almost bragging about the fact that Prince Harry came over to crash the party. And now, after all that, they suddenly want to attract an entirely different crowd?! 🤣🤣

Carol Diaz said:And then we have the usual nonsensical arguments claiming that America is simply too expensive and that we need to slash prices... Look, I assume the people actually running the businesses know exactly what their margins should be.

The real issue is that most of the people complaining haven't even left their own zip code.
A quick trip to New York for shopping doesn't exactly count. ☕
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
238 messages
joined Nov 2015
#10 ·
Idiots.

Honestly, they might as well just mail them the cash—saves the tourists the trouble of actually showing up. ☕

Because why wouldn't some travelers want to go out of their way to ruin everyone's peace?
Grace Ramos Grace Ramos Member
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joined Jul 2013
#11 ·
Honestly, if people just got their checks without having to show up in person, they’d still find something to complain about.
rustyharbor3 rustyharbor3 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Here we go again. Every single year, right when peak tourist season kicks in, they start pushing these same tired narratives. You see the same segments popping up on ABC or FOX claiming everything is cheaper in Greece or Mexico, and that America is somehow failing... blah, blah, blah. It’s either those foreign tourism boards are paying for the coverage, or we’re just a nation of deep-seated masochists who love being insulted.
Look, all credit to Greece, but I wouldn't dream of heading there right now given the political instability and the constant strikes breaking out. I still remember those poor tourists who got stranded down there last year amidst all those street riots. And Mexico? No thanks. Friends of mine who went there specifically to avoid us came back feeling pretty miserable—they said the service was subpar and the places were filthy.
And why on earth do we insist on looking toward the East? Why aren't we comparing ourselves to, say, Italy? Now *that* is a world-class destination, and their prices make ours look like a bargain by comparison.
We are far too small of a country to be obsessing over sheer volume. Maui, for instance, is definitely not built for mass tourism, and I am 100% behind their push to be a luxury destination. If you want luxury, you have to play by certain rules of conduct.
If people want to go stare at naked butts, they can head to Ibiza, Key West, or whatever other "laid-back" spot they find—thankfully, our coastline is crawling with places like that.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#13 ·
rustyharbor3 said:Here we go again. Every single year, right when peak tourist season kicks in, they start pushing these same tired narratives. You see the same segments popping up on ABC or FOX claiming everything is cheaper in Greece or Mexico, and that America is somehow failing... blah, blah, blah. It’s either those foreign tourism boards are paying for the coverage, or we’re just a nation of deep-seated masochists who love being insulted.
Look, all credit to Greece, but I wouldn't dream of heading there right now given the political instability and the constant strikes breaking out. I still remember those poor tourists who got stranded down there last year amidst all those street riots. And Mexico? No thanks. Friends of mine who went there specifically to avoid us came back feeling pretty miserable—they said the service was subpar and the places were filthy.
And why on earth do we insist on looking toward the East? Why aren't we comparing ourselves to, say, Italy? Now *that* is a world-class destination, and their prices make ours look like a bargain by comparison.
We are far too small of a country to be obsessing over sheer volume. Maui, for instance, is definitely not built for mass tourism, and I am 100% behind their push to be a luxury destination. If you want luxury, you have to play by certain rules of conduct.
If people want to go stare at naked butts, they can head to Ibiza, Key West, or whatever other "laid-back" spot they find—thankfully, our coastline is crawling with places like that.

I just consider myself a realist, and I don't think my bullshit doesn't stink.🤷

Credit to Greece, but I wouldn't head over there right now given the political climate and how often strikes break out. I still remember those poor tourists who got totally stranded down there last year......

Poor travelers were stuck at the airport here in the States, too, just two months ago.🤷

I wouldn't go to Mexico either, thanks.. friends of mine who went there for vacation specifically came back pretty miserable, saying the service was nowhere near up to par and everything was filthy.

Well, there are plenty of dirty places and terrible service right here in America, too.🤷

Why don't we compare ourselves to somewhere like Italy, which is a world-class destination where prices are significantly higher than they are here?
We're too small of a country to focus on sheer volume, and Maui definitely isn't built for mass tourism—I'm all for them trying to pivot toward being a luxury destination. And if they go that route, there should be certain standards of behavior.

Have you actually vacationed abroad? Do you have any idea what the same amount of money gets you overseas versus what you get here?

And a luxury destination isn't defined by local bureaucrats making up their own rules, trying to squeeze money out of people or dictating exactly what someone has to wear while walking around, or whether they can drink water from a convenience store bottle on the street or if they have to sit in a local pub to do it. Real luxury means treating the guest like royalty, period...

After more than 15 years of branding ourselves as a world-class party destination, deciding to flip the script on behavioral rules "overnight" is just complete madness.🤣
Sarah Stewart3 Sarah Stewart3 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Carol Diaz said:And then we have the usual nonsensical arguments claiming that America is simply too expensive and that we need to slash prices... Look, I assume the people actually running the businesses know exactly what their margins should be.

Nonsense? I happened to catch those news reports around 2:30 PM on ABC, and there was this chart from a study showing that America had the highest prices out of the five or six countries they were tracking—even higher than Spain.😁
Carol Diaz Carol Diaz Member
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#15 ·
Excellent.
This implies that our domestic tourism industry can actually command higher rates than its competitors.
coastaljackal2 coastaljackal2 Member
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#16 ·
I honestly don't see anything wrong with this at all...
Every single developed nation and major vacation spot out there has at least these kinds of rules, if not even stricter ones in place.
And besides, I really can't see how this would do any harm to Maui. ☕
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#17 ·
Carol Diaz said:Excellent.
This implies that our domestic tourism industry can actually command higher rates than its competitors.

Yeah, you can really see that happening this summer 😁

coastaljackal2 said:I honestly don't see anything wrong with this at all...
Every single developed nation and major vacation spot out there has at least these kinds of rules, if not even stricter ones in place.
And besides, I really can't see how this would do any harm to Maui. ☕

Excuse me?! 🤣 🤣
Which countries are we talking about here, and what kind of rules exactly? Come on, enlighten me. 🤣
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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#18 ·
hollowmason64 said:Yeah, you can really see that happening this summer 😁

Excuse me?! 🤣 🤣
Which countries are we talking about here, and what kind of rules exactly? Come on, enlighten me. 🤣

Take Venice, for instance—sitting down in Times Square is actually prohibited there. It doesn't matter if you're in a costume, dressed casually, or just wearing a coat... they basically tell you, "Don't you dare sit down."
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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#19 ·
Nicholas King said:Take Venice, for instance—sitting down in Times Square is actually prohibited there. It doesn't matter if you're in a costume, dressed casually, or just wearing a coat... they basically tell you, "Don't you dare sit down."

I don't speak Italian, so that link doesn't really help me... but wow, that sounds bizarre.
Then again, if I remember right, there aren't many benches or anything around there (at least not in the photos... unless they added them in the last hundred years), so there isn't much to sit on anyway. It probably means they don't want people sitting on the ground or something. 🤷
I mean... surely they wouldn't fine me if my legs were killing me and I had to sit on the sidewalk because there wasn't anywhere else nearby? 😕
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#20 ·
Nicholas King said:Take Venice, for instance—sitting down in Times Square is actually prohibited there. It doesn't matter if you're in a costume, dressed casually, or just wearing a coat... they basically tell you, "Don't you dare sit down."

Okay🤔.... I mean, it’s been quite a few years since I was last in Venice, but honestly, I wouldn't even know where one would sit there anyway 🤷
And besides, I can't imagine any sane person would actually want to sit right in the middle of all that pigeon crap 🤣

At the end of the day—whether you're walking into Venice or hopping on the water taxis—nobody is handing out any damn flyers about rules of conduct 🙄🤣

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