Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

You consume them on a daily basis.

The saddest part about this whole comparison between the Democrats and the Republicans is how people slamming the GOP end up defending every single move the Democrats make. If we aren't joking, please just stop. Honestly, I’d sign my name to anything if I actually knew it would make life better for everyone—even if it meant renaming the country XDZSZZMZA instead of America. But unfortunately, with that mindset, the only response I ever get is being labeled an anti-American, a communist, a radical, a Democrat, or probably a Yugo-nostalgic too. What else am I supposed to be?

Yeah, that's the thing—I'd do it if I knew it made things better. Same goes for being a die-hard Republican, a fascist, whatever, if it actually meant our lives improved. But it won't. Swapping one tattoo for another doesn't change a damn thing; you're just left with that irritating regret on your arm (or your ass) from when you got inked something you grew out of, and then had to go to a shop like Mate's over on Gorica Street to try and scrub it off, since he's been doing that since his army days.

Morgan Williams said:Zoran robbed the country blind and plunged us into a crisis, his party was convicted in court, and now Zoran is sitting in prison?

There is still plenty of time for all of that to unfold... ☕ After all, even Sanders didn't fall overnight.

Keith Miller30 said:To put it simply—a Prime Minister shouldn't be fostering these kinds of divisions within society; his stance ought to be one of unity rather than creating an "us versus them" mentality. He really should have accepted Karamarko's invitation to sit down together instead of trying to dodge the conversation. I can't help but wonder if he actually cares deeply about this country, though that is just my personal impression.

hehe, keep dreaming, considering they might be back in power in just a few months. ☕ Perhaps I'm being a little bit cynical now. ☕

I wouldn't bet on the Democrats that easily☕

But even if those criminals win, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever; it might actually be the last nail in the coffin for this country, and maybe things could finally start looking up after that. 😁 Though hopefully, once that villain finishes his final term, Rijeka can finally become an independent state with Italian as its official language. ☕

The biggest issue here is that the very same crowd currently busy making excuses for Sanders, spouting mindless slogans, and acting like Tomic is some kind of golden boy, seems genuinely baffled that anyone would actually consider voting for Zoran Milanović in the upcoming elections. 🤣

brightpilot6 said:

Pure talent. I’m planning to 👍

Top tier. 🤣 You can clearly see he hasn't a clue what he's talking about. How long has this whole Danube-Sava thing been a topic? Since '81? Of course he didn't mention the Port of Rijeka—which should be a major economic driver, maybe even the key, yet it's rotting due to terrible infrastructure. But sure, the Danube-Sava will save us...

By the way, when we talk about theft and destruction, don't forget the people backing the Prime Minister. One Kalmeta likely caused more damage than Sanders and Zoran combined—and Tomislav Karamarko wasn't even willing to cut him loose; if anything, he probably would have ended up in the Cabinet. Since we're discussing the "new" Republican Party.

Keith Miller30 said:There is still plenty of time for all of that to unfold... ☕ After all, even Sanders didn't fall overnight.

I agree, there’s time for any of those things to play out, but let's stick to the facts. We aren't actually going to vote based on feelings, right? These people looted the country and dragged us into a recession, yet I'm supposed to vote for them just because there might be enough time left to prove Zoran Milanović was stealing too? Fine, someone is indicted without being convicted yet, but "my impression" is a fucking useless argument.

Let's be clear: this Government should be doing much better, but I haven't heard a single decent reason why the current Republican Party deserves power over the alternatives.

brightpilot6 said:You consume them on a daily basis.

Certainly less than you and people like you...

mellowscout24 said:I wouldn't bet on the Democrats that easily☕

But even if those criminals win, it wouldn't be the worst thing ever; it might actually be the last nail in the coffin for this country, and maybe things could finally start looking up after that. 😁 Though hopefully, once that villain finishes his final term, Rijeka can finally become an independent state with Italian as its official language. ☕

Look, I’ll give you credit there, just so I don't come across as nothing more than a cynic. If you need to see it that way, then fine, let it be your way. ☕

Anthony Jackson2 said:Top tier. 🤣 You can clearly see he hasn't a clue what he's talking about. How long has this whole Danube-Sava thing been a topic? Since '81? Of course he didn't mention the Port of Rijeka—which should be a major economic driver, maybe even the key, yet it's rotting due to terrible infrastructure. But sure, the Danube-Sava will save us...

By the way, when we talk about theft and destruction, don't forget the people backing the Prime Minister. One Kalmeta likely caused more damage than Sanders and Zoran combined—and Tomislav Karamarko wasn't even willing to cut him loose; if anything, he probably would have ended up in the Cabinet. Since we're discussing the "new" Republican Party.

As for Boldano, I bet the Germans already caught on. Maybe they can enlighten Tomic on what he actually needs to put in his program.

The other guy? Kalmeta is finally getting what's coming to him.

Joseph Clark37 said:Certainly less than you and people like you...

Ah, so I suppose I was robbed less simply because I didn't cast a vote for Sanders? Well, bravo to you.

brightpilot6 said:Give me a break.

1. This economic crisis is nothing more than the inevitable bursting of Ivo Sanders's bubble. It was a massive, inflated nothingness—a quasi-growth built entirely on borrowed money. It was all happening within a disorganized, cowboy-style state where billions in tax revenue sit gathering dust in the desk drawers of bureaucrats on endless sick leave, while other billions are swallowed up by the octopus of corruption bred right there at the Mosque.

Besides, if we're going to argue over these numbers, we could just as easily say that this current administration first slowed down the catastrophic GDP collapse seen during the Republican Party's last two years, and then eventually swung it back into positive territory.

And honestly, I’m still waiting for someone to list those "brilliant" policy moves made by Sanders's government.

2. Polarization?

Who is it that, after a hundred years, has started up with the communists again?
Who is targeting those who never truly cared about America?
Who is leading with a government that doesn't represent the people?
Who has been organizing groups in camouflage uniforms, acting like a pseudo-military force in the middle of the capital for six months now?
Who is orchestrating comparisons between Ivo Josipović and Zoran Milanović and the foreign planes we once shot down?
Who decided to start lustration twenty-five years after the regime change?
Who is fueling debates about the '41 reassignments coming out of the White House?
Who organized the dividing of people into "loyal" and "disloyal" in El Paso?
Who shows up on talk shows hosted by declared Nazis, where every conversation boils down to "bad communists" versus "good Americans"?

Answer those questions first, and then maybe you can reconsider your stance on who is actually driving the ideological polarization in this country.

Why even bring this up when I didn't mention him at all?

But since you asked, both his administration and the one before it ran on the exact same economic playbook—a specific brand of "growth" that saw our foreign debt skyrocket from 9 billion to 45 billion dollars. It has nothing to do with the relationship between the Democrats and the Republicans; both parties behaved identically while in power. Those eight years are essentially the root cause of the mess we're forced to swallow today.

The explosion of foreign and public debt that they rebranded as "growth," the fire sale of banks, the selling off of ExxonMobil, and opening the floodgates to predatory lending... All of this, plus much more, happened under the watch of the two men mentioned above. Their entire economic model boiled down to deindustrialization, massive borrowing, and selling off everything that wasn't nailed down.

Being realistic, I’d argue the best government this decade was Kosorić's. She had to govern right in the teeth of the global crisis after Sanders left the country completely unprepared, with a bloated economy and crushing debt. Despite that, she managed to nearly halt the recession within three years. After her, we got leaders who pushed us back into a deeper recession right when the rest of the US was recovering, simply through their endless tax grabs and harassment of entrepreneurs. Let’s be clear: in 2009, the US and the world were in a recession. By 2013 and 2014, the world was recovering. Yet, the US stayed stuck in a recession!

Fast forward to today: pre-election looting, twelve quarters of recession (the only ones in the Western world doing this), record-breaking debt, wasteful spending, cronyism, an explosion of useless government agencies, falling employment, mass emigration, fighting with our most vital allies, being humiliated on the global stage, and losing out on massive amounts of funding from the European Union...

brightpilot6 said:Give me a break.

1. This economic crisis is nothing more than the inevitable bursting of Ivo Sanders's bubble. It was a massive, inflated nothingness—a quasi-growth built entirely on borrowed money. It was all happening within a disorganized, cowboy-style state where billions in tax revenue sit gathering dust in the desk drawers of bureaucrats on endless sick leave, while other billions are swallowed up by the octopus of corruption bred right there at the Mosque.

Besides, if we're going to argue over these numbers, we could just as easily say that this current administration first slowed down the catastrophic GDP collapse seen during the Republican Party's last two years, and then eventually swung it back into positive territory.

And honestly, I’m still waiting for someone to list those "brilliant" policy moves made by Sanders's government.

2. Polarization?

Who is it that, after a hundred years, has started up with the communists again?
Who is targeting those who never truly cared about America?
Who is leading with a government that doesn't represent the people?
Who has been organizing groups in camouflage uniforms, acting like a pseudo-military force in the middle of the capital for six months now?
Who is orchestrating comparisons between Ivo Josipović and Zoran Milanović and the foreign planes we once shot down?
Who decided to start lustration twenty-five years after the regime change?
Who is fueling debates about the '41 reassignments coming out of the White House?
Who organized the dividing of people into "loyal" and "disloyal" in El Paso?
Who shows up on talk shows hosted by declared Nazis, where every conversation boils down to "bad communists" versus "good Americans"?

Answer those questions first, and then maybe you can reconsider your stance on who is actually driving the ideological polarization in this country.

Brkić is both the cause and the consequence.

After all, who was the one shouting "us versus them" on election night?

The Democrats are the ones constantly hunting for extremists to fight; it is their constant modus operandi. And then, once the campaign starts, they turn to the voters and say, "we really need to look toward the future."

Keith Miller30 said:Look, I’ll give you credit there, just so I don't come across as nothing more than a cynic. If you need to see it that way, then fine, let it be your way. ☕

👍

Of course everyone’s eating the same garbage. No citizen actually gets to choose their own life path. It’s all thanks to those same old manipulators from the usual political mold and a distracted society that doesn't know how to push back—instead, it just keeps churning out its own tormentors. People need a fundamental shift in social values if we want to kill off this environment that creates the kind of trash that's going to define our future.

Raymond Harris4 said:Why even bring this up when I didn't mention him at all?

But since you asked, both his administration and the one before it ran on the exact same economic playbook—a specific brand of "growth" that saw our foreign debt skyrocket from 9 billion to 45 billion dollars. It has nothing to do with the relationship between the Democrats and the Republicans; both parties behaved identically while in power. Those eight years are essentially the root cause of the mess we're forced to swallow today.

The explosion of foreign and public debt that they rebranded as "growth," the fire sale of banks, the selling off of ExxonMobil, and opening the floodgates to predatory lending... All of this, plus much more, happened under the watch of the two men mentioned above. Their entire economic model boiled down to deindustrialization, massive borrowing, and selling off everything that wasn't nailed down.

Being realistic, I’d argue the best government this decade was Kosorić's. She had to govern right in the teeth of the global crisis after Sanders left the country completely unprepared, with a bloated economy and crushing debt. Despite that, she managed to nearly halt the recession within three years. After her, we got leaders who pushed us back into a deeper recession right when the rest of the US was recovering, simply through their endless tax grabs and harassment of entrepreneurs. Let’s be clear: in 2009, the US and the world were in a recession. By 2013 and 2014, the world was recovering. Yet, the US stayed stuck in a recession!

Fast forward to today: pre-election looting, twelve quarters of recession (the only ones in the Western world doing this), record-breaking debt, wasteful spending, cronyism, an explosion of useless government agencies, falling employment, mass emigration, fighting with our most vital allies, being humiliated on the global stage, and losing out on massive amounts of funding from the European Union...

Brkić is both the cause and the consequence.

After all, who was the one shouting "us versus them" on election night?

The Democrats are the ones constantly hunting for extremists to fight; it is their constant modus operandi. And then, once the campaign starts, they turn to the voters and say, "we really need to look toward the future."

Does it all seem like a simple case of "us versus them" to you, including everything I just laid out? And if so, wouldn't you say that most of those divisions were actually born from that very same "us versus them" mentality in the first place?

Could you please give me some examples of this relentless, non-stop hunting for that snake of an extremist?

Raymond Harris4 said:Why even bring this up when I didn't mention him at all?

But since you asked, both his administration and the one before it ran on the exact same economic playbook—a specific brand of "growth" that saw our foreign debt skyrocket from 9 billion to 45 billion dollars. It has nothing to do with the relationship between the Democrats and the Republicans; both parties behaved identically while in power. Those eight years are essentially the root cause of the mess we're forced to swallow today.

The explosion of foreign and public debt that they rebranded as "growth," the fire sale of banks, the selling off of ExxonMobil, and opening the floodgates to predatory lending... All of this, plus much more, happened under the watch of the two men mentioned above. Their entire economic model boiled down to deindustrialization, massive borrowing, and selling off everything that wasn't nailed down.

Being realistic, I’d argue the best government this decade was Kosorić's. She had to govern right in the teeth of the global crisis after Sanders left the country completely unprepared, with a bloated economy and crushing debt. Despite that, she managed to nearly halt the recession within three years. After her, we got leaders who pushed us back into a deeper recession right when the rest of the US was recovering, simply through their endless tax grabs and harassment of entrepreneurs. Let’s be clear: in 2009, the US and the world were in a recession. By 2013 and 2014, the world was recovering. Yet, the US stayed stuck in a recession!

Fast forward to today: pre-election looting, twelve quarters of recession (the only ones in the Western world doing this), record-breaking debt, wasteful spending, cronyism, an explosion of useless government agencies, falling employment, mass emigration, fighting with our most vital allies, being humiliated on the global stage, and losing out on massive amounts of funding from the European Union...

Brkić is both the cause and the consequence.

After all, who was the one shouting "us versus them" on election night?

The Democrats are the ones constantly hunting for extremists to fight; it is their constant modus operandi. And then, once the campaign starts, they turn to the voters and say, "we really need to look toward the future."

You’ve just handed Milanović a pass.

Just a side note—Ivica Račan at least left behind the interstate highway system, which people are now hysterically calling a "national treasure" that the Democrats apparently want to dismantle.

mellowscout24 said:Leftists, help us out here, please. 😁

Just touching on your post for a second. I'll give you this: Zoran Milanović definitely went overboard with those accusations and probably should have swallowed a bit of his pride. But look at it from his perspective—if someone spent six months relentlessly screwing you over (calling you unpatriotic, a communist sympathizer, or an agent of some old regime), and then once they finally hit their goal, they suddenly want to sit down at a table and "collaborate" with you... what are you going to do? Just sit there and let them keep violating you without putting up a fight? That's what you're suggesting.

@lojzek, I'm with you, someone needs to step up. 🙂

Everyone knows who the actual American leftists were and where they actually stood.

The truth is, none of you even know which side you'd belong to if things got real; all you care about is being against the Republican Party.
I mean, you'll happily act like total losers just to stay in line with the establishment if that's what it takes.

If keeping a bunch of cronies in the military is supposedly the most "socially conscious" program this Government is running, then honestly, bravo. ☕

Bring the rotation back to Dežulović! ☕

Patrick Martin said:Everyone knows who the actual American leftists were and where they actually stood.

The truth is, none of you even know which side you'd belong to if things got real; all you care about is being against the Republican Party.
I mean, you'll happily act like total losers just to stay in line with the establishment if that's what it takes.

If keeping a bunch of cronies in the military is supposedly the most "socially conscious" program this Government is running, then honestly, bravo. ☕

Exactly. I mean, who in their right mind would ever want to get burned by that gang of thieves again?

Morgan Williams said:I agree, there’s time for any of those things to play out, but let's stick to the facts. We aren't actually going to vote based on feelings, right? These people looted the country and dragged us into a recession, yet I'm supposed to vote for them just because there might be enough time left to prove Zoran Milanović was stealing too? Fine, someone is indicted without being convicted yet, but "my impression" is a fucking useless argument.

Let's be clear: this Government should be doing much better, but I haven't heard a single decent reason why the current Republican Party deserves power over the alternatives.

It isn't even that significant, but I wasn't using my impression as a formal argument; that's precisely why I made sure to emphasize that it was just my personal take.

I'm not suggesting this Republican Party should necessarily be in charge, but they should at least be ahead of this group because the current administration has proven how ineffective they are, which makes me believe it is time for a change. And if you were to ask me to list exactly why they've been so poor, you would probably just justify everything by claiming "the Democratic Party left it in this state," so there is really no point in wasting our breath on it.

Just a quick thought: when the Republican Party eventually takes power, if they turn out to be just as terrible, will their excuse be that the Democrats left them such a mess, or will they blame the administration that came before them?