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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Keith Miller30 Keith Miller30 Regular
328 messages
joined Aug 2014
#4821 ·
I really ought to find an image of Hannibal for my avatar, specifically one where he isn't decked out in Republican Party colors. 🤣
Zachary Nguyen2 Zachary Nguyen2 Active Member
117 messages
joined Oct 2014
#4822 ·
Keith Miller30 said:I really ought to find an image of Hannibal for my avatar, specifically one where he isn't decked out in Republican Party colors. 🤣

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brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined Oct 2012
#4823 ·
Chris Fisher3 said:@ZZ

Just popping in to say I just finished devouring your posts on these political topics here on ESPN. 👍
And honestly? I’m right there with you on your conclusions—some of those observations you made are just as wild to me as they are to you...

👍

Keith Miller30 said:It seems like you all have a twenty-to-one advantage over me, but honestly, why let that stop us? Shall we keep moving forward?

So, you really think we should take Branko Manolić’s word as gospel just because he suddenly decided to remember Tomislav Karamarko’s alleged ties to the FBI right before an election? To me, that feels almost comical. While I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that Karamarko was involved with the FBI—who is to say he wasn't?—I find it impossible to accept Manolić’s sudden recollection as some kind of absolute truth. Is it not a bit convenient? I have absolutely nothing against proving whether or not someone was part of the FBI, but can we honestly treat a statement like this as a given?

I wasn't trying to equate the sins of Ivo Sanders with those of Merzelica; I simply used her as an example. Personally, I view pre-election agreements as nothing more than legalized robbery through favoritism, though I realize you don't find that particularly controversial. Perhaps it’s best if we don't dive too deep into that particular rabbit hole, because if we start dissecting every single one of those issues, we won't see the end of this debate for another month.

James Anderson5 Asks:
So, you’re actually finding grounds to criticize the Democratic Party over their choice for Secretary of Agriculture—and honestly, I find him pretty incompetent too—yet we're expected to overlook the fact that when the Republican Party held that same seat, they put forward a guy who ended up behind bars, essentially trading a cabinet office for peeling potatoes in a cell?

So, this is exactly what we’re talking about. You simply cannot spend your entire life using the Republican Party to justify every single bad decision made by the other side. Just because a Republican minister was busy idling away his time doesn't mean we aren't allowed to point out that a Democratic minister isn't exactly top-tier either, right? The fact that a Republican official acted like a total clown shouldn't serve as any kind of excuse for the incompetence we're seeing from this current one.

Well, you simply cannot know, can you? Of course you can't; one can only make assumptions, much like people assumed Zoran Milanović would be a success, which turned out not to be the case for most—though perhaps for some of you, he was.

There is nothing more to be done than to place our bets on a year or two from now, at which point we shall see who was actually correct, since right now we are left with nothing but speculation. Just as you have the liberty to speculate based on a statement by Branko Manolić, who coincidentally reminded everyone of the FBI's influence just a few months before the election, please allow me the same freedom to assume that things might turn out differently.

Ultimately, as it always does, time will reveal who was right.

It isn't easy. I find myself in similar situations in my real life, and it’s tough, especially when you are debating people whose opinions actually matter to you. You have to hold your ground.

The point is to have the discussion, so that we can all gain some perspective on the other side of the story. It’s unlikely anyone is going to change their mind or shift their entire worldview through a forum thread, but if the debate helps us conclude that the opposing side isn't just a bunch of FBI sympathizers or radical extremists, isn't that already a victory? If we could just be people with differing opinions rather than bitter enemies, wouldn't that be enough?

But in America, unfortunately, very few people seem ready for that, largely because everyone tends to view everything through such a catastrophic lens. I often catch myself falling into that same mindset, and I have to make a conscious effort to correct it. That is perhaps why someone like Drago Prgomet could write one of the best political pieces I've ever read—right in the middle of a massive wave of public hysteria—only to be ousted from our largest party. And yet, it seems no one within that party would dare utter a single word in protest.
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#4824 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:It’s probably money, or maybe something else he got from the party. A friend of mine used to hand out flyers for Ivo Sanders, and yeah, it was for cash.

But honestly, that’s the single biggest rot in today's political landscape. For most people, their livelihood—their literal daily bread—depends entirely on which faction they join or who they vote for. Naturally, they gravitate toward the two major parties because survival dictates it; it’s all just a desperate scramble for position. Not long ago, a teacher was actually crying to Zoran Milanović because she lost her job for not being party-affiliated, and his brilliant solution was to tell her to just join one of them. 🤣🤦

I find it hard to believe that people are truly so dense that they can't see the massive flaws in these two options, especially the Republican Party. But how do you break out of this vicious cycle? That is the core issue. Until we solve that, nothing changes, no matter how many young intellectuals or rational thinkers we throw at it. At the end of the day, when you weigh everything up, the smartest move is often just to leave the country.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#4825 ·
You’ve all lost your damn minds, dancing between heaven and hell because you're completely obsessed with politics.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#4826 ·
Has anyone been revisiting any old games lately? Or maybe catching up on an old movie or a series?

:rotacija:
Noah Carter24 Noah Carter24 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2012
#4827 ·
bluebison47 said:Has anyone been revisiting any old games lately? Or maybe catching up on an old movie or a series?

:rotacija:

Me! I've been diving back into Championship Manager 5 😁
Keith Miller30 Keith Miller30 Regular
328 messages
joined Aug 2014
#4828 ·
bluebison47 said:Has anyone been revisiting any old games lately? Or maybe catching up on an old movie or a series?

:rotacija:

To see how John Nash passed away, I watched A Beautiful Mind. 👍
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#4829 ·
bluebison47 said:Has anyone been revisiting any old games lately? Or maybe catching up on an old movie or a series?

:rotacija:

Colin McRae rally 2—if you haven't played that one, you basically haven't lived. ☕
Michelle Palmer6 Michelle Palmer6 Regular
432 messages
joined Sep 2018
#4830 ·
bluebison47 said:Has anyone been revisiting any old games lately? Or maybe catching up on an old movie or a series?

:rotacija:

I actually fired up Max Payne last night for the hundredth time after being away from it for ages!
Noah Carter24 Noah Carter24 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2012
#4831 ·
Jesse Sullivan5 said:Colin McRae rally 2—if you haven't played that one, you basically haven't lived. ☕

Just pull up a split screen and grind all day long against your buddies! 🙏

edit: man, this brings back so many memories 😁

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Zachary Nguyen2 Zachary Nguyen2 Active Member
117 messages
joined Oct 2014
#4832 ·
Man, talk about nostalgia.
Missing those Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 LAN days. 😁
Tekken too.
Raymond Harris4 Raymond Harris4 Member
14 messages
joined Oct 2012
#4833 ·
brightpilot6 said:Is "us versus them" really a blunder? Is your version of party-line "us versus them" somehow different from Karamarko's Red Devils?

Is claiming at Jasenovac that the Nationalists weren't part of the national military considered a "blunder"?

Are those your idea of "slips"?

You claimed the Democratic Party polarizes the nation. Well, I’ve given you more than just a few idiotic, ideological nonsense snippets coming from the Right—and that's just a fraction of it. Yet you still cling to Zoran Milanović's "us versus them" rhetoric. It is a notorious fact that in America, it's either the Democrats or the Republicans. One side is the GOP, and the other is a collection of Red Devils and Nationalists.

I am challenging you again—please, list for me where exactly the Democrats have "constantly" and "non-stop" stoked the flames of the Nationalists snake, in the same way Karamarko and his crowd did with their incessant nonsense about bringing back Communism or having an "un-American" government. Even if there is some symbolic resurgence of Nationalists sentiment here and there in America, at least Communism isn't likely to make a comeback in 2015.

Please, send me the links. For every single "Leftist" instance you cite (Democrats, media, whatever) aimed at the Nationalists, I will provide five from the "Right" that obsess over communists or "un-American" administrations.

And don't even get me started on how crude those messages are.

The worst government ever. An un-American administration. They never actually wanted America. They polarize the people. They disrespect our veterans and the war for independence. The worst government ever. An un-American administration. They never actually wanted America. They polarize the people. They disrespect our veterans and the war for independence.

It almost kills me more than the weak turnout at the elections to see how many people are falling for these Karamarko mantras today.

And mind you, that is essentially the entire opposition platform right now—a convicted criminal organization. But for the "true Americans," apparently, it's more than enough.

When I used the word "outburst," I was referring to that entire orchestrated display led by Zoran Milanović’s speech. He basically weaponized the moment for his own political vendettas instead of simply showing respect to the victims. And don't even get me started on the atmosphere—it was so toxic it actually led to people booing Lustig. By the way, Lustig doesn't even have a seat at the table with the HNK leadership because his views clash so heavily with their top brass.

Regarding the links, you only need to look at the last forty-eight hours to see the sheer hysteria in those two interviews—Stjepan Mason and Zoran Pusić—where they are openly discussing the return of fascism. I don't even need to go any further than that.

Personally, I think the root cause of this division is pretty clear: a certain segment of the "left" uses anti-fascism merely as a convenient shield to justify communist dictatorships, totalitarianism, and all those historical atrocities. It’s a smokescreen. The Constitution defines this nation not just as one built on anti-fascist principles, but also on the explicit rejection of communism—a concept that this particular wing of the political spectrum seems fundamentally incapable of grasping. The same goes for their bizarre attitude toward the last war. Those two issues are the primary architects of this divide. As for the so-called NDH? There isn't even a debate there because no one with any actual relevance ever mentions it in a positive light.

And because of all that, I truly believe there's a real danger in people trying to defend Marshall's dictatorship. By doing so, they’re unfortunately pushing the positive aspects of the NOB into the background.

brightpilot6 As specified by:
This is hands down the worst government we have ever seen. Period.

Based on the economic indicators I’ve laid out—specifically regarding GDP fluctuations—we are looking at the absolute worst performance across the board. These aren't just opinions; they are indisputable, hard facts.

On the other hand, just so it doesn't look like I'm only out here airing grievances about the current Government, there are exceptions. Take the Prime Minister’s visit to Mostar last year, for instance. During that trip, he defended the interests of the Americans living there more fiercely and decisively than any other administration has since 1999.

I can't even begin to process this level of sheer incompetence. It's absolutely staggering. [Username] says:
Raymond Harris4 claims this is about forcing Cyrillic on us. Give me a break. The Republican Party actually voted in favor of bilingualism in Congress and the El Paso Council, only to turn around and schizophrenically support protests against that very same decision while the Democratic Party was in power.

I have no idea how any of this you're bringing up is actually contradictory to what I said... How else are you supposed to describe this entire situation other than "aggressive imposition"?

Look, the facts remain unchanged: Cyrillic was never actually authorized by the city charter. Those signs weren't anywhere to be found around town until the Democratic Party took power. End of story.

Look, it’s simple: if introducing Cyrillic in El Paso messes with international relations, then don't do it. Period. Or does it still not click for some people why there hasn't been an outcry in ANY other area where Cyrillic was implemented (under both previous and current administrations)? Because a hundred other things were handled poorly in El Paso, the backlash was entirely predictable. Therefore, pushing through the Cyrillic signage was nothing more than intentionally provoking tension and division.

The Government was explicitly warned that the census data in El Paso was controversial and required a full audit. They turned a deaf ear.

Then came the protests and petitions, during which they were cautioned once again: do not introduce Cyrillic, as it will spark division and conflict. Again, they ignored it.

So, they went ahead with the signs. Divisions erupted, conflicts broke out, and massive dissatisfaction followed, proving that this implementation failed to meet the requirements of Article 8. The Government simply chose to ignore it.

When citizens gathered signatures to raise the threshold for mandatory bilingualism to 50%, the authorities decided to change the Constitution just to block such a referendum from happening.

Bottom line: the Government has taken full responsibility for the introduction of Cyrillic upon themselves.
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#4834 ·
Noah Carter24 said:Just pull up a split screen and grind all day long against your buddies! 🙏

edit: man, this brings back so many memories 😁

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Nothing but ghosts.
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Nov 2014
#4835 ·
Is there anyone else out there watching this absolute rollercoaster of a finish at the US Open?
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#4836 ·
Maybe Marin Čilić will pull it off in the end... who knows? Fingers crossed.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#4837 ·
Raymond Harris4 said:When I used the word "outburst," I was referring to that entire orchestrated display led by Zoran Milanović’s speech. He basically weaponized the moment for his own political vendettas instead of simply showing respect to the victims. And don't even get me started on the atmosphere—it was so toxic it actually led to people booing Lustig. By the way, Lustig doesn't even have a seat at the table with the HNK leadership because his views clash so heavily with their top brass.

Regarding the links, you only need to look at the last forty-eight hours to see the sheer hysteria in those two interviews—Stjepan Mason and Zoran Pusić—where they are openly discussing the return of fascism. I don't even need to go any further than that.

Personally, I think the root cause of this division is pretty clear: a certain segment of the "left" uses anti-fascism merely as a convenient shield to justify communist dictatorships, totalitarianism, and all those historical atrocities. It’s a smokescreen. The Constitution defines this nation not just as one built on anti-fascist principles, but also on the explicit rejection of communism—a concept that this particular wing of the political spectrum seems fundamentally incapable of grasping. The same goes for their bizarre attitude toward the last war. Those two issues are the primary architects of this divide. As for the so-called NDH? There isn't even a debate there because no one with any actual relevance ever mentions it in a positive light.

And because of all that, I truly believe there's a real danger in people trying to defend Marshall's dictatorship. By doing so, they’re unfortunately pushing the positive aspects of the NOB into the background.

brightpilot6 As specified by:
This is hands down the worst government we have ever seen. Period.

Based on the economic indicators I’ve laid out—specifically regarding GDP fluctuations—we are looking at the absolute worst performance across the board. These aren't just opinions; they are indisputable, hard facts.

On the other hand, just so it doesn't look like I'm only out here airing grievances about the current Government, there are exceptions. Take the Prime Minister’s visit to Mostar last year, for instance. During that trip, he defended the interests of the Americans living there more fiercely and decisively than any other administration has since 1999.

I can't even begin to process this level of sheer incompetence. It's absolutely staggering. [Username] says:
Raymond Harris4 claims this is about forcing Cyrillic on us. Give me a break. The Republican Party actually voted in favor of bilingualism in Congress and the El Paso Council, only to turn around and schizophrenically support protests against that very same decision while the Democratic Party was in power.

I have no idea how any of this you're bringing up is actually contradictory to what I said... How else are you supposed to describe this entire situation other than "aggressive imposition"?

Look, the facts remain unchanged: Cyrillic was never actually authorized by the city charter. Those signs weren't anywhere to be found around town until the Democratic Party took power. End of story.

Look, it’s simple: if introducing Cyrillic in El Paso messes with international relations, then don't do it. Period. Or does it still not click for some people why there hasn't been an outcry in ANY other area where Cyrillic was implemented (under both previous and current administrations)? Because a hundred other things were handled poorly in El Paso, the backlash was entirely predictable. Therefore, pushing through the Cyrillic signage was nothing more than intentionally provoking tension and division.

The Government was explicitly warned that the census data in El Paso was controversial and required a full audit. They turned a deaf ear.

Then came the protests and petitions, during which they were cautioned once again: do not introduce Cyrillic, as it will spark division and conflict. Again, they ignored it.

So, they went ahead with the signs. Divisions erupted, conflicts broke out, and massive dissatisfaction followed, proving that this implementation failed to meet the requirements of Article 8. The Government simply chose to ignore it.

When citizens gathered signatures to raise the threshold for mandatory bilingualism to 50%, the authorities decided to change the Constitution just to block such a referendum from happening.

Bottom line: the Government has taken full responsibility for the introduction of Cyrillic upon themselves.

According to the law—the one the Republican Party actually voted for, mind you—bilingual signage gets rolled out automatically whenever a minority group makes up about a third of the population. It's pretty straightforward, really. You'd think they'd make the process less of a headache, but here we are.

During the Democratic Party’s term, they conducted a census, and the data clearly showed that there are more Mexicans living in El Paso than the official borders originally suggested. Because of that, the memorial plaques were automatically installed. Honestly, if this census had been carried out during a Republican Party administration, those plaques would have gone up just the same. Does it really matter which party is holding the pen when the numbers don't lie?

That’s just how a functional country works—you have laws, and you follow them. The Government doesn't get a free pass to ignore the law just because they claim following it would lead to "division and conflict." If they want a change, they can go through the proper channels to amend it. As for that ridiculous referendum they were pushing—the one that suggested granting more rights to a minority group only if they somehow managed to become a majority (50% of the population)? Honestly, thank God it never happened. If it had actually gone through, it would have absolutely screwed over all the other minority groups in America.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined Oct 2012
#4838 ·
Raymond Harris4 said:When I used the word "outburst," I was referring to that entire orchestrated display led by Zoran Milanović’s speech. He basically weaponized the moment for his own political vendettas instead of simply showing respect to the victims. And don't even get me started on the atmosphere—it was so toxic it actually led to people booing Lustig. By the way, Lustig doesn't even have a seat at the table with the HNK leadership because his views clash so heavily with their top brass.

Regarding the links, you only need to look at the last forty-eight hours to see the sheer hysteria in those two interviews—Stjepan Mason and Zoran Pusić—where they are openly discussing the return of fascism. I don't even need to go any further than that.

Personally, I think the root cause of this division is pretty clear: a certain segment of the "left" uses anti-fascism merely as a convenient shield to justify communist dictatorships, totalitarianism, and all those historical atrocities. It’s a smokescreen. The Constitution defines this nation not just as one built on anti-fascist principles, but also on the explicit rejection of communism—a concept that this particular wing of the political spectrum seems fundamentally incapable of grasping. The same goes for their bizarre attitude toward the last war. Those two issues are the primary architects of this divide. As for the so-called NDH? There isn't even a debate there because no one with any actual relevance ever mentions it in a positive light.

And because of all that, I truly believe there's a real danger in people trying to defend Marshall's dictatorship. By doing so, they’re unfortunately pushing the positive aspects of the NOB into the background.

brightpilot6 As specified by:
This is hands down the worst government we have ever seen. Period.

Based on the economic indicators I’ve laid out—specifically regarding GDP fluctuations—we are looking at the absolute worst performance across the board. These aren't just opinions; they are indisputable, hard facts.

On the other hand, just so it doesn't look like I'm only out here airing grievances about the current Government, there are exceptions. Take the Prime Minister’s visit to Mostar last year, for instance. During that trip, he defended the interests of the Americans living there more fiercely and decisively than any other administration has since 1999.

I can't even begin to process this level of sheer incompetence. It's absolutely staggering. [Username] says:
Raymond Harris4 claims this is about forcing Cyrillic on us. Give me a break. The Republican Party actually voted in favor of bilingualism in Congress and the El Paso Council, only to turn around and schizophrenically support protests against that very same decision while the Democratic Party was in power.

I have no idea how any of this you're bringing up is actually contradictory to what I said... How else are you supposed to describe this entire situation other than "aggressive imposition"?

Look, the facts remain unchanged: Cyrillic was never actually authorized by the city charter. Those signs weren't anywhere to be found around town until the Democratic Party took power. End of story.

Look, it’s simple: if introducing Cyrillic in El Paso messes with international relations, then don't do it. Period. Or does it still not click for some people why there hasn't been an outcry in ANY other area where Cyrillic was implemented (under both previous and current administrations)? Because a hundred other things were handled poorly in El Paso, the backlash was entirely predictable. Therefore, pushing through the Cyrillic signage was nothing more than intentionally provoking tension and division.

The Government was explicitly warned that the census data in El Paso was controversial and required a full audit. They turned a deaf ear.

Then came the protests and petitions, during which they were cautioned once again: do not introduce Cyrillic, as it will spark division and conflict. Again, they ignored it.

So, they went ahead with the signs. Divisions erupted, conflicts broke out, and massive dissatisfaction followed, proving that this implementation failed to meet the requirements of Article 8. The Government simply chose to ignore it.

When citizens gathered signatures to raise the threshold for mandatory bilingualism to 50%, the authorities decided to change the Constitution just to block such a referendum from happening.

Bottom line: the Government has taken full responsibility for the introduction of Cyrillic upon themselves.

It’s a bit like me saying Maradona had a poor game after Goikoetxea broke his leg, and therefore concluding he’s just a bad player. You might argue, "Well, they broke his leg," while I respond, "Sorry, but his stats in that match following the injury were abysmal, and those figures are indisputable."

I’m not quite sure how to respond to you, other than to say this: the idea that an economy can be magically fixed with a magic wand, or that its current state is solely a reflection of one specific political party's recent work, is simply incorrect. And because that premise is flawed, your conclusion is equally misguided.

Regarding the protests and the issues surrounding local symbols, yes, of course, the people spontaneously distanced themselves from the top brass. There wasn't some coordinated group using walkie-talkies; Americans are well known for their ability to self-organize in a crowd in a very short amount of time. 🙄

You didn't actually provide any links regarding polarization, yet you kept talking about how the Left has been initiating constant polarization. No one is calling Karamarko a fascist, yet on the flip side, Karamarko constantly labels this administration as unpatriotic and radical leftist. His representatives—and even the Republican Party president has repeatedly given them her political blessing—regularly compare this government to historical aggressors. Zoran Milanović isn't inciting partisan chants about throwing opponents into pits. Zoran Milanović doesn't go on guest appearances with Stalinist leaders to fuel polarizing hysteria. Is there somewhere in the States where a protest sign has been comparing Karamarko and Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović to Ante Pavelić and Slavko Kvaternik for the last six months? Are we even living in the same country?

And finally, even a child should be able to see whose interest it serves to mask the absolute lack of substance in their campaign by pivoting to these idiotic, archaic ideological themes.
neonheron202 neonheron202 Active Member
73 messages
joined Apr 2014
#4839 ·
The dynasty is beginning its broadcast on the major networks. 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
Jesse Sullivan5 Jesse Sullivan5 Regular
309 messages
joined Aug 2018
#4840 ·
Just finished watching the first episode of True Detective

Spoiler : as
Just like everyone was already predicting earlier in this thread—we're looking at a totally different setup for the new episodes! We’ve got a fresh plot, a brand-new setting, a whole new cast, different characters, a new intro, and even the timeline has shifted to a more recent era.

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