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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Sam Brown20 Sam Brown20 Member
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joined Sep 2015
#5541 ·
Morgan Williams said:Do you actually buy the Adam and Eve story? Most believers who have even a basic grasp of science view it as a metaphor. Even the Catholic Church and the Pope have accepted evolution as reality. If you cling to the idea of Adam and Eve being literal, you aren't just ignoring biology—you're basically claiming the Earth is a flat disc 6,000 years old with planets orbiting us. You can't pick and choose which facts to ignore when discussing how genetic mutations turned hominoids into humans.

It just hit me: if Original Sin comes from Adam and Eve, but they couldn't have existed as described in the Bible, then the whole concept of Original Sin becomes a joke.

No, I don't, but I remember seeing that specific atheist argument somewhere once, and it triggered this thought, which is why I brought it up.

Matthew Anderson4 said:Nobody.
just looking at the picture that started this mess. modern Christianity and what it was 1,900 years ago both fail right out of the gate by treating God like a person. honestly, it doesn't matter if people today are less spiritual than they used to be—it's all basically at a playground level of understanding anyway.
saying Christianity doesn't view God as a person is just ridiculous.

It's foolish to lump modern Christianity together with how things were 1,900 years ago—you know, during the Crusades or the Inquisition. It's like saying you wouldn't call modern-day Germany primitive just because sixty years ago they were still clinging to some pretty backward ideas. Look, I believe plenty of Christians still picture God as some old man floating on a cloud, but honestly, that's more a matter of education, and frankly, it's irrelevant when even the "intellectuals" struggle to wrap their heads around it. Just because you can't grasp something doesn't mean you have to reject it. You accept it in its simplest form and then spend the rest of your life trying to figure out the incomprehensible parts at the beginning.
Noah Ross7 Noah Ross7 Regular
355 messages
joined Dec 2008
#5542 ·
I guess we've all lost our way.

over and out

heeheh

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Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
598 messages
joined Jun 2013
#5543 ·
Sam Brown20 said:No, I don't, but I remember seeing that specific atheist argument somewhere once, and it triggered this thought, which is why I brought it up.

It's foolish to lump modern Christianity together with how things were 1,900 years ago—you know, during the Crusades or the Inquisition. It's like saying you wouldn't call modern-day Germany primitive just because sixty years ago they were still clinging to some pretty backward ideas. Look, I believe plenty of Christians still picture God as some old man floating on a cloud, but honestly, that's more a matter of education, and frankly, it's irrelevant when even the "intellectuals" struggle to wrap their heads around it. Just because you can't grasp something doesn't mean you have to reject it. You accept it in its simplest form and then spend the rest of your life trying to figure out the incomprehensible parts at the beginning.

Not sure how to even respond to that, but you definitely aren't really debating the core tenets of theism here.
Robin Fox2 Robin Fox2 Regular
523 messages
joined Apr 2016
#5544 ·
The consensus in America seems to be that this is the greatest film ever made...
Jason Newman Jason Newman Active Member
160 messages
joined Oct 2012
#5545 ·
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#5546 ·
Larry Fox5 said:It's all subjective. Mozart is brilliant, sure, but he's just not my vibe. It’s not like I won’t listen to him, but if I have the choice, I’d much rather dive into Bach, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, or even something like Copland.

Verdi is an absolute legend too, followed closely by Bellini, Rossini, and Puccini.

On the subject of religion, I actually caught a documentary on the History Channel yesterday about these topics, so I was brushing up on some things. For the first four centuries, there were huge debates over whether Jesus was God, a prophet, a man, or a being with both divine and human natures mixed together...

Those arguments still pop up today, even without getting into the fundamental flaws of theism that people talk about. Maybe Taoism describes it best by calling the Divine "The Great Unknown"...
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#5547 ·
Look, I’m Catholic. I respect the faith and I value it, truly. I’m not some religious fanatic out there losing my mind in the pews, but I still stick to the big stuff—you know, the sacraments and all that ritualistic backbone. But hey, I’ll be real with you guys and just lay my cards on the table.

To me, God is basically the personification of that vital equilibrium that keeps the whole machine running. God is that ultimate sense of balance that tips the scales toward the good side, the force that nudges most people to actually act decent and behave themselves.

That’s why I’ve always found the whole Chinese Yin and Yang concept pretty damn appealing as a philosophy.

Basically, faith is just a metaphor for that constant balancing act happening inside the human soul. It’s the framework we use to navigate that endless tug-of-war between good and evil that defines being alive.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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joined Mar 2012
#5548 ·
When it comes to religion, I wouldn't say I'm really religious at all. I was raised Catholic, which is pretty standard for most Americans, but I probably only head to church twice a year—and honestly, that’s mostly just because my mom or my girlfriend asks me to join them for Christmas and Easter. I guess religion can be such a sensitive topic, and I think I realized that more after traveling and seeing how diverse things are globally. It seems a little absurd to me to be a die-hard believer in just one thing, where you only accept your own traditions and dismiss everything else as just made-up myths. When I traveled through Japan, I saw nothing but their shrines, and in the Middle East, it was all Islamic customs. Just like how you see churches everywhere in our towns and cities, they have their temples and mosques. And those places are home to hundreds of millions of people. I suppose the reality is that every culture has its own rituals, and they all feel equally real or unreal depending on your perspective. Maybe people could just have enough basic decency to respect someone else's faith too.
vivideagle7 vivideagle7 Active Member
135 messages
joined Oct 2014
#5549 ·
@Patrick Martin

You just keep bringing up BTJ, don't you? 😁
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#5550 ·
So basically, it’s a total clusterf***, and yeah, I’m swearing like a sailor at a dive bar. I don't care.
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#5551 ·
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballman...rs_of_simming/ 🙏 🙏 🙏
mellowotter36 mellowotter36 Active Member
172 messages
joined Dec 2017
#5552 ·
🤣

I need a volunteer to download a one-gigabyte file. I want to see if the US National Team can actually make waves on the global stage now.
Regarding the World Cup history, the US has two silver medals and four bronzes. Meanwhile, our neighbors over in Mexico have managed to take home the gold twice.
Robin Fox2 Robin Fox2 Regular
523 messages
joined Apr 2016
#5553 ·
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#5554 ·
Gentlemen, I'll just be watching from the sidelines for now...
Ashley Bailey6 Ashley Bailey6 Active Member
208 messages
joined Jun 2013
#5555 ·
Robin Fox2 said:View on imgur

not even worth the pennies... ☕

Highest attendance: RB Leipzig 🤣

What a lunatic. He could actually make it in life if he wanted to.
He just needs to channel that drive and energy into a real career.
Eric Fox7 Eric Fox7 Regular
320 messages
joined Jul 2012
#5556 ·
June 12, 3015. 🙏

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ambertinker41 ambertinker41 Regular
273 messages
joined Jun 2012
#5557 ·
Ashley Bailey6 said:Highest attendance: RB Leipzig 🤣

What a lunatic. He could actually make it in life if he wanted to.
He just needs to channel that drive and energy into a real career.

An American likes this. 👍
Robin Fox2 Robin Fox2 Regular
523 messages
joined Apr 2016
#5558 ·
Amanda Evans2 said:Gentlemen, I'll just be watching from the sidelines for now...

we're heading to Miami, strictly for the high standards... plenty of women, everything you could need...
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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joined Nov 2014
#5559 ·
Robin Fox2 said:we're heading to Miami, strictly for the high standards... plenty of women, everything you could need...

I know exactly how it goes. After the absolute disaster we dealt with this year, it’s high time we finally get out of the country for a bit...
Casey White13 Casey White13 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2009
#5560 ·
Ashley Bailey6 said:Highest attendance: RB Leipzig 🤣

What a lunatic. He could actually make it in life if he wanted to.
He just needs to channel that drive and energy into a real career.

523945 🤣 🤣

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