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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Matthew Anderson4 Matthew Anderson4 Regular
598 messages
joined Jun 2013
#11101 ·
If a guy grabs a sword and heads abroad with his neighbors to chop heads, people blame his religion. If he picks up a sword and goes solo to slaughter his neighbors of a different faith, they call him crazy. If he grabs a Bible and flies to Africa to feed starving kids, it’s his religion getting the credit. But if he does the exact same thing without mentioning his church—still with that Bible tucked under his arm—suddenly it's just "his good nature."

God, if anything exists, is just dead tired. Tired of a man finding strength in a crowd just to be weak. Sure, community serves a purpose, but mostly it's just a way for people to live off their flaws while pretending to die for an ideal. Most days, we're just hungry and thirsty. That's about it. Life is long and there aren't any shortcuts, which makes us long too. Our plate and our glass are just as deep as our souls. Water, food, sun, and love—those are the cures for death. Religion, politics, money, and tech? Just shadows. We argue over them because we can't see them clearly, and we can't see them because the sun is right in our eyes, casting those shadows behind us. Love wins in the end because there's no power in it. Power loses because there's no love in it. A group without love is just a power trip, and power is just a mirror for fear. Every civilization ever built starts from the storm clouds people whip up when they stop looking for love. When those clouds of ego finally break, every civilization ends up as nothing more than a puddle of tears drying in the sun.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#11102 ·
James Anderson5 said:I'm with you on wanting to see less religion in society rather than more...

The last great American king was defeated in battle, leading to occupation by foreign powers. Those conquerors were actually supported by the church, which also helped them annex certain coastal cities. Throughout the centuries, the church sided with almost every occupier of America, from the British to the Spanish and the French. Honestly, I think you might be the one missing the point...

It was interesting how Protestantism once attempted to take hold here, when much of the younger nobility wanted to convert and nearly succeeded, aiming for a version of independence under the oversight of the Ottoman Empire...

Based on what you said, it sounds like you haven't actually had that experience yet. Go find it, experience it yourself or with someone who knows how to guide you, and then come back and rewrite this. It'll be worth it...

Oh, great. Just brilliant. So, you're telling me that because she stayed out of it, that’s somehow "proof" she didn't have any pull with those officials? Give me a break. It’s like saying because a CEO doesn't personally sign every single memo in the office, they aren't calling all the shots behind the scenes. Please. That logic is totally broken. 🤷 Look, if she were actually the monster you guys are out here painting her to be, she would’ve been the first one charging right into the front lines. You’re seriously lowballing what she can actually pull off when things go south and a real crisis hits. Just because she managed to survive every single one of those chaotic situations doesn't mean she was playing footsie with the enemy—it just goes to show that even the invaders knew better than to mess with her. They recognized her value and her grit. I mean, come on, you can't just wipe an entire nation and everything they stand for off the map like it's nothing. It doesn't work that way.
Look, at that specific point in time? It was just a smart, logical move. Nothing more, nothing less. Case closed.

So, you're really the one sitting there with absolutely zero clue what's actually going on, huh? Typical. ☕

Charles Roberts33 said:Are you actually trying to lead me astray? 😍Look, I could easily serve as your guide for some of the more famous global summits. I’ve scaled—and descended from—peaks far more inaccessible and up to three times higher than anything you'll find in the Rockies. And believe me, I spent the entire way cursing the idiot who talked me into it. Though, if you started picking fights over decimal points, I'd probably just have to toss you off a cliff. ☕.

What I was getting at in my last post is that this kind of mild trance—that feeling of merging with your surroundings and finally seeing yourself clearly—isn't something you can just schedule. You can't plan to reach that state by showing up at a specific place at a specific time like it's an appointment on your Google Calendar. That experience only feels authentic, only feels alive, when it catches you off guard. It has to be spontaneous. It happens in those sudden, unscripted moments when you're just catching your breath between the frantic, disjointed sprints of everyday life.

I was going to add more to that, but I’ll stop there. Better to quit while I'm ahead—I can see I'm starting to talk nonsense, and this group clearly prefers to keep things strictly business. 😬

Look, I’m gonna say it because someone has to. You watch *Brokeback Mountain* and you just... you sit there. It’s like staring at a slow-motion car wreck on I-95—you know it's gonna end badly, you can see the wreckage coming from miles away, but you can't look away because the sheer weight of the tragedy just hits you like a freight train. It’s that whole vibe of being trapped. Not just by the landscape, which looks gorgeous, sure, but trapped by these rigid, old-school American expectations of what a "man" is supposed to be. It reminds me of those small towns out in Wyoming where everyone knows your business before you even do. You try to live your truth, but the social pressure feels like a heavy blanket soaked in water. It’s suffocating. And don't even get me started on the ending. It’s gut-wrenching. It’s like watching a beautiful building slowly crumble because the foundation was built on secrets and fear instead of something solid. People call it a romance, but honestly? It’s a study in regret. A massive, sweeping, heartbreaking study in how much it hurts to live a life that isn't yours. Just... man. Grab some tissues, seriously. 😂

James Anderson5 said:I'm with you on wanting to see less religion in society rather than more...

The last great American king was defeated in battle, leading to occupation by foreign powers. Those conquerors were actually supported by the church, which also helped them annex certain coastal cities. Throughout the centuries, the church sided with almost every occupier of America, from the British to the Spanish and the French. Honestly, I think you might be the one missing the point...

It was interesting how Protestantism once attempted to take hold here, when much of the younger nobility wanted to convert and nearly succeeded, aiming for a version of independence under the oversight of the Ottoman Empire...

Based on what you said, it sounds like you haven't actually had that experience yet. Go find it, experience it yourself or with someone who knows how to guide you, and then come back and rewrite this. It'll be worth it...

I don't even know where to start with this one. It’s like, you think you’re walking into a situation thinking everything is chill, totally under control, right? Like you’re just grabbing a coffee at Starbucks and heading to work. Then suddenly, boom—someone starts talking your ear off, trying to sell you a bridge or convince you that the sky is actually neon green. It’s all just talk. Pure, unadulterated persuasion tactics used to wiggle their way into your head. Honestly, it’s exhausting. You gotta watch your back because once they start that smooth-talking routine, it’s hard to see the trap until you’re already halfway through it. Just stay sharp, man. Don't let the silver tongue fool you. 👍
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
356 messages
joined Aug 2018
#11103 ·
Let's switch things up, since we haven't touched this topic on Offside lately.
Setting aside the actual sexual assaults—which I absolutely despise and would personally go to war over—there's this whole narrative surrounding people like the cases involving high-profile Hollywood producers. You know, when these famous types come forward claiming they were coerced or abused for twenty years straight. Honestly, I just don't get it, and I don't think I ever will...

I mean, if nobody is physically holding you in a basement with your hands and feet tied, why does it even happen? Is that still considered assault if you're consciously allowing it to play out? It feels more like you're letting someone walk all over you because you know there's an advantage to staying quiet, only to suddenly remember the "abuse" twenty years later once you no longer need their help to land a role.

Look, even at my job, my boss is constantly calling me out for drinks, and I can't always say no because she gets so worked up about it, plus she's quite unpleasant to be around and it's mostly just her feeding her own ego while we grab a coffee. But I’m certainly not going to claim I'm being assaulted just because of that; if she actually told me I had to sleep with her just to keep my job, I'd simply walk out of the company right then and there.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#11104 ·
Human psychology is pretty complicated when it comes to relationships and why people choose to stay in them or leave. I guess there isn't a massive difference between a professional/sexual dynamic and an abusive marriage where someone can't seem to walk away. Since I'm not a woman, I can't really speak from their perspective, but human behavior has been evolving for millions of years. Maybe people are subconsciously driven by instincts to endure certain things because they feel they have to, if you know what I mean. Nothing in life is ever black and white, including this. People will tolerate a lot just to gain some emotional or professional leverage. It’s mostly just a matter of circumstances and how much one is willing to put up with; nobody just cuts ties unconditionally all the time. Then you have Hollywood, which is a massive entertainment industry involving huge sums of money and countless workers. Actresses, by the nature of the business, are often very attractive and understand that their looks can make or break a role. Meanwhile, the executives holding the capital are constantly interacting with these women and might feel they can use favors or pressure to get them into bed. Whether that's moral or not, I suppose, is something I won't weigh in on. Actual rape is a clear-cut crime where the police and courts should step in immediately with heavy penalties, but sexual coercion and similar tactics... well, like I said, everyone involved has certain cards to play and uses them however they see fit. No one is literally holding a gun to their head. Looking at it from a distance and labeling someone a predator or a certain type of woman seems a bit naive to me. It reminds me of that old joke where a father asks his wife, daughter, and son if they would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. They all say yes, and then the father points out that, theoretically, they're all millionaires—but in practice, he's living with two hookers and a gay man.

The whole summary is probably just this: you should try your best to never let yourself end up in those kinds of situations.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#11105 ·
Look, I’m only admitting to any lawsuit if the prosecutor shows up to court with their mouth full of cum, and even then, I want a live DNA test performed right there on the spot, in front of everyone ☕
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
491 messages
joined Mar 2005
#11106 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:Let's switch things up, since we haven't touched this topic on Offside lately.
Setting aside the actual sexual assaults—which I absolutely despise and would personally go to war over—there's this whole narrative surrounding people like the cases involving high-profile Hollywood producers. You know, when these famous types come forward claiming they were coerced or abused for twenty years straight. Honestly, I just don't get it, and I don't think I ever will...

I mean, if nobody is physically holding you in a basement with your hands and feet tied, why does it even happen? Is that still considered assault if you're consciously allowing it to play out? It feels more like you're letting someone walk all over you because you know there's an advantage to staying quiet, only to suddenly remember the "abuse" twenty years later once you no longer need their help to land a role.

Look, even at my job, my boss is constantly calling me out for drinks, and I can't always say no because she gets so worked up about it, plus she's quite unpleasant to be around and it's mostly just her feeding her own ego while we grab a coffee. But I’m certainly not going to claim I'm being assaulted just because of that; if she actually told me I had to sleep with her just to keep my job, I'd simply walk out of the company right then and there.

Look, if you don't have that innate ability to grasp abstract concepts, some things are just gonna fly right over your head. It’s a lost cause. ☕ Yeah, you know... it’s one of those things. Having that specific female experience. It just hits different.

Violence and harassment against women? It’s just everywhere. Basically, the second a girl hits puberty, she's dealing with it. Just picture this: you're a fourteen or fifteen-year-old kid, you head out to some high school party, and suddenly seven different guys are grabbing at you—hands all over your body—and you didn't want any of them to touch you. Not even the one guy you actually liked. Look, I'm not saying every kid loitering around a house party needs to be hauled off to jail, but let's be real. Girls are facing this constant invasion of their own bodies from day one, something guys just don't have to deal with.

Look, here's the deal—when girls go on a blind date, their biggest fear is that the guy might actually be a psycho. For guys? The biggest fear is just showing up and finding out she’s way heavier than her profile picture. I mean, try to grasp the difference in the actual threat level there. And honestly, guys don't really deal with that situation where some massive dude walks up to them in a club, they reject him, and then he just grabs them by the arm like, "Hey, stay right there, we're talking." That doesn't happen. Except for maybe once in a blue moon. Guys don't walk home feeling creeped out just because the sun went down. They aren't carrying pepper spray in their purses because some guy's friend got jumped last week. They aren't gripping their car keys between their fingers like a weapon while walking through a dark parking garage thinking, "you never know." Guys aren't scared to hop in a car with a girl they just met, they aren't worried about picking up a hitchhiker, and they don't feel uneasy being alone on a subway car filled with five random drunk girls. It's just different.

Look, here’s the deal. When guys are actually good-looking AND killing it at work, nobody ever gives them credit for the face. Nah. Everyone just assumes they’re some kind of genius. They don't spend half their lives stressing over whether a shirt is too low-cut or if they look cold or "unapproachable" in a sweater. They just show up. They don't care. And when it comes to domestic violence? Let's be real—in like 99% of cases, the guy is the problem. Violent outbursts fueled by "passion"? Murdering exes or current partners? That's just man business. Plain and simple.

And then, when you actually deal with any of that crap, you end up being the one getting judged. Like, suddenly you're the victim but somehow it’s all your fault for letting it happen. They tell you you should've known better. Real helpful. Then the cops show up and just shrug it off because it’s supposedly "a private matter" or some guys just had a few too many drinks and it's no big deal. Total joke.

Look, when you're living in an environment like this—where threats to your physical safety are just part of the daily grind, where you've basically become numb to it because you don't expect anything better—things get weird. You know how it goes. If you actually open your mouth to say something, there’s a massive chance people will just laugh in your face or, even worse, pin the whole thing on you. So, women just stay quiet. They shut up. Because in a place like this, even a victim of assault is treated like nothing more than damaged goods.

Guys like that? They basically never deal with that kind of stuff from women in their entire lives. Not even close. And they definitely don't get harassed every single time they step foot out of their apartment. Then they have the nerve to act all confused, like, "Oh, why didn't she just report him?" Please. Give me a break.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
769 messages
joined Mar 2012
#11107 ·
I definitely agree with your points, but I wonder why it actually happens. Let's not steer this toward American culture, because these behavioral patterns exist everywhere, and our conversation was originally about Hollywood anyway. We're really talking about long-standing dynamics between men and women, and I don't think we have enough insight here to truly explain the root cause. I have a daughter who might face these kinds of situations one day, and while I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, it's hard for me to say it's just because "society is primitive" or that it can be easily fixed. It isn't quite that simple; sexual violence occurs every single day all over the world. I guess it's more of a complex web of impulses and behaviors that have existed for millennia, so maybe it can't just be erased in a few years with some hashtags.
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Jan 2018
#11108 ·
Patrick Martin said:Look, I’m only admitting to any lawsuit if the prosecutor shows up to court with their mouth full of cum, and even then, I want a live DNA test performed right there on the spot, in front of everyone ☕

Do you truly believe this is humorous?
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
491 messages
joined Mar 2005
#11109 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I definitely agree with your points, but I wonder why it actually happens. Let's not steer this toward American culture, because these behavioral patterns exist everywhere, and our conversation was originally about Hollywood anyway. We're really talking about long-standing dynamics between men and women, and I don't think we have enough insight here to truly explain the root cause. I have a daughter who might face these kinds of situations one day, and while I certainly wouldn't want that to happen, it's hard for me to say it's just because "society is primitive" or that it can be easily fixed. It isn't quite that simple; sexual violence occurs every single day all over the world. I guess it's more of a complex web of impulses and behaviors that have existed for millennia, so maybe it can't just be erased in a few years with some hashtags.

The only way this actually changes is through individual emotional maturity within the society itself.

First off, sex needs to stop being such a massive taboo. And I don't mean the school version where they teach you basic biology and where the plumbing goes—I mean talking about sexuality in its full, raw scope. Let's be real: in the privacy of their own heads, 99% of men have misogynistic sexual fantasies where women are basically treated like little dolls meant for use. I'm not saying that's *all* they think about, but it's there. Most guys know how to separate fantasy from reality—they know you can't act like that without consent. Sure, plenty of men feel ashamed of those kinds of thoughts too. But then you get the ones who can't make that distinction, and out of pure frustration or some kind of trauma, they turn into predators. If you try to use a social movement to indiscriminately label all male sexuality as "bad," people are just going to push back, even if the goal—stopping violence—is good. Same goes for female sexuality, obviously.

As long as this stuff stays in the dark—as long as parents won't talk to their kids, as long as TV networks flip the channel when sex comes on, as long as it remains a taboo—that gap between what's acceptable and what isn't is going to keep causing friction and harm. You see it all the time: men only seem to realize how it affects women once they have a daughter. But that realization needs to happen a hell of a lot earlier than that.
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
571 messages
joined Apr 2019
#11110 ·
We seriously need to start handing out much harsher sentences to all those bullies and abusers (and honestly, I think I might be one of the few people here actually calling for way tougher penalties across the board for pretty much any kind of crime 😁), but let's not lump them together with what went down in Hollywood. That whole situation was just straight-up shady business—trading sexual favors for roles. If you're not down with that, fine, whatever, onto the next one.

And frankly, I don't see the big deal. Morality aside, everyone has a price. In most regular American jobs, we swallow way more bullshit than some actress who played along and ended up with an Oscar on her mantle a few years later.
Ashley Bailey6 Ashley Bailey6 Active Member
208 messages
joined Jun 2013
#11111 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:We seriously need to start handing out much harsher sentences to all those bullies and abusers (and honestly, I think I might be one of the few people here actually calling for way tougher penalties across the board for pretty much any kind of crime 😁), but let's not lump them together with what went down in Hollywood. That whole situation was just straight-up shady business—trading sexual favors for roles. If you're not down with that, fine, whatever, onto the next one.

And frankly, I don't see the big deal. Morality aside, everyone has a price. In most regular American jobs, we swallow way more bullshit than some actress who played along and ended up with an Oscar on her mantle a few years later.

Signed.

Millions of people deal with or hide even bigger bullshit every single day simply because they have a price. They do it for the money.

Then you act like a big shot and a rebel for a week when you quit, only to go right back to doing it all over again.
Patrick Martin Patrick Martin Regular
702 messages
joined Aug 2015
#11112 ·
Matthew Young35 said:Do you truly believe this is humorous?

Look, once the damage is done, there's no use crying about it, and you sure as hell aren't gonna go fishing for participation trophies twenty years after the fact.

As far as I'm concerned, you either report it right then and there or you shut your mouth forever.

That’s my take on those "win-win" situations everyone loves to talk about.

But if we're talking actual, straight-up assault where someone's being silenced because of some heavy-duty blackmail? That's a whole different animal. It's messy, man. Everything is complicated. You can't just throw every single situation into one big bucket and call it even; every case is its own damn thing.
Morgan Foster Morgan Foster Active Member
59 messages
joined Nov 2012
#11113 ·
Just typing this into Google Maps right now:

Hollywood -> San Fernando Valley—it's maybe a two-minute drive, though you could easily bike there in about an hour if you're heading to a shoot...🙏
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
356 messages
joined Aug 2018
#11114 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:Look, if you don't have that innate ability to grasp abstract concepts, some things are just gonna fly right over your head. It’s a lost cause. ☕ Yeah, you know... it’s one of those things. Having that specific female experience. It just hits different.

Violence and harassment against women? It’s just everywhere. Basically, the second a girl hits puberty, she's dealing with it. Just picture this: you're a fourteen or fifteen-year-old kid, you head out to some high school party, and suddenly seven different guys are grabbing at you—hands all over your body—and you didn't want any of them to touch you. Not even the one guy you actually liked. Look, I'm not saying every kid loitering around a house party needs to be hauled off to jail, but let's be real. Girls are facing this constant invasion of their own bodies from day one, something guys just don't have to deal with.

Look, here's the deal—when girls go on a blind date, their biggest fear is that the guy might actually be a psycho. For guys? The biggest fear is just showing up and finding out she’s way heavier than her profile picture. I mean, try to grasp the difference in the actual threat level there. And honestly, guys don't really deal with that situation where some massive dude walks up to them in a club, they reject him, and then he just grabs them by the arm like, "Hey, stay right there, we're talking." That doesn't happen. Except for maybe once in a blue moon. Guys don't walk home feeling creeped out just because the sun went down. They aren't carrying pepper spray in their purses because some guy's friend got jumped last week. They aren't gripping their car keys between their fingers like a weapon while walking through a dark parking garage thinking, "you never know." Guys aren't scared to hop in a car with a girl they just met, they aren't worried about picking up a hitchhiker, and they don't feel uneasy being alone on a subway car filled with five random drunk girls. It's just different.

Look, here’s the deal. When guys are actually good-looking AND killing it at work, nobody ever gives them credit for the face. Nah. Everyone just assumes they’re some kind of genius. They don't spend half their lives stressing over whether a shirt is too low-cut or if they look cold or "unapproachable" in a sweater. They just show up. They don't care. And when it comes to domestic violence? Let's be real—in like 99% of cases, the guy is the problem. Violent outbursts fueled by "passion"? Murdering exes or current partners? That's just man business. Plain and simple.

And then, when you actually deal with any of that crap, you end up being the one getting judged. Like, suddenly you're the victim but somehow it’s all your fault for letting it happen. They tell you you should've known better. Real helpful. Then the cops show up and just shrug it off because it’s supposedly "a private matter" or some guys just had a few too many drinks and it's no big deal. Total joke.

Look, when you're living in an environment like this—where threats to your physical safety are just part of the daily grind, where you've basically become numb to it because you don't expect anything better—things get weird. You know how it goes. If you actually open your mouth to say something, there’s a massive chance people will just laugh in your face or, even worse, pin the whole thing on you. So, women just stay quiet. They shut up. Because in a place like this, even a victim of assault is treated like nothing more than damaged goods.

Guys like that? They basically never deal with that kind of stuff from women in their entire lives. Not even close. And they definitely don't get harassed every single time they step foot out of their apartment. Then they have the nerve to act all confused, like, "Oh, why didn't she just report him?" Please. Give me a break.

I appreciate your doctoral dissertation, but that wasn't the question; you went way too far afield...
So, you're saying a woman who consciously trades her body for career advancement, only to claim twenty years later that she was actually raped the whole time...

That's the point, Price, and that's where this all went off the rails...
Which is why I believe that because of cases like that, actual rape victims are viewed the same way as these first types, which shouldn't be the case...

You also mentioned what women deal with since childhood, but you failed to mention how many women use their femininity for personal gain, flirting, and everything else to get ahead in life from an early age. Who among us doesn't know women who were wearing revealing tops and flirting with certain professors back in high school just to get a better grade? Not to mention college... basically, consciously using their bodies and attributes to climb the ladder.

I honestly can't be convinced that anyone could endure being assaulted for twenty years without being physically restrained, tortured, or held under such extreme duress that their very survival depended on compliance. To suggest otherwise—and to label someone a victim when they've actually built an entire career out of it... well, I just don't see it happening.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
491 messages
joined Mar 2005
#11115 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:I appreciate your doctoral dissertation, but that wasn't the question; you went way too far afield...
So, you're saying a woman who consciously trades her body for career advancement, only to claim twenty years later that she was actually raped the whole time...

That's the point, Price, and that's where this all went off the rails...
Which is why I believe that because of cases like that, actual rape victims are viewed the same way as these first types, which shouldn't be the case...

You also mentioned what women deal with since childhood, but you failed to mention how many women use their femininity for personal gain, flirting, and everything else to get ahead in life from an early age. Who among us doesn't know women who were wearing revealing tops and flirting with certain professors back in high school just to get a better grade? Not to mention college... basically, consciously using their bodies and attributes to climb the ladder.

I honestly can't be convinced that anyone could endure being assaulted for twenty years without being physically restrained, tortured, or held under such extreme duress that their very survival depended on compliance. To suggest otherwise—and to label someone a victim when they've actually built an entire career out of it... well, I just don't see it happening.

Then why even bother asking the question?
Paul Martinez73 Paul Martinez73 Regular
356 messages
joined Aug 2018
#11116 ·
wiredfalcon2 said:Then why even bother asking the question?

We're discussing ☕
Let's say someone actually provided a straight answer, yet you somehow managed to pivot all the way to claiming women have been subjected to sexual assault since the dawn of time.

By defending that logic, you're essentially suggesting it's possible for someone to be raped, only for them to use that "rape" as a ladder to climb for twenty years—meaning every time they're violated, they land a better role or make more money, which they then spend and enjoy... and then, after two decades, they suddenly go on a media tour, though they never once filed an actual police report. To me, that's nothing but pure prostitution, and once they decide they're done selling themselves, they just rebrand the whole thing as rape.
wiredfalcon2 wiredfalcon2 Regular
491 messages
joined Mar 2005
#11117 ·
Paul Martinez73 said:We're discussing ☕
Let's say someone actually provided a straight answer, yet you somehow managed to pivot all the way to claiming women have been subjected to sexual assault since the dawn of time.

By defending that logic, you're essentially suggesting it's possible for someone to be raped, only for them to use that "rape" as a ladder to climb for twenty years—meaning every time they're violated, they land a better role or make more money, which they then spend and enjoy... and then, after two decades, they suddenly go on a media tour, though they never once filed an actual police report. To me, that's nothing but pure prostitution, and once they decide they're done selling themselves, they just rebrand the whole thing as rape.

Listen, you're twisting my words. My point was that she spent 20 years sleeping with some guy continuously to build her career; it wasn't that he harassed her 20 years ago and she just waited until now to report it. She didn't wait because she was scared; she waited because she knew reporting it would tank her career. Honestly, why am I even bothering with you? You already said nobody could change your mind. Now you'll just repeat yourself for the second time using different words, then I'll throw thirty new arguments at you, and you'll just parrot the same thing a third time with slightly more distorted wording.

If you think there’s a statute of limitations on rape where it doesn't count if you wait too long, fine. I bet you'll say the exact same thing to your own daughter. "Oh, honey, what took you five years? Who cares now, sucks to be you."
If you think a woman's financial situation somehow excuses a rape, fine. I bet you'll tell your daughter the same thing: "Well, you made ten grand after he raped you, so who cares?"
If you think rape is justified because she's pretty or dresses sexy to get parts, whatever. I bet you'll tell your daughter the same thing: "Why are you wearing tight shirts? It's totally natural for every boss who wants you to just rape you, so deal with it."
Matthew Young35 Matthew Young35 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Jan 2018
#11118 ·
Patrick Martin said:Look, once the damage is done, there's no use crying about it, and you sure as hell aren't gonna go fishing for participation trophies twenty years after the fact.

As far as I'm concerned, you either report it right then and there or you shut your mouth forever.

That’s my take on those "win-win" situations everyone loves to talk about.

But if we're talking actual, straight-up assault where someone's being silenced because of some heavy-duty blackmail? That's a whole different animal. It's messy, man. Everything is complicated. You can't just throw every single situation into one big bucket and call it even; every case is its own damn thing.

You were the first one to suggest this:
"I'll only admit to a lawsuit if they show up to court with their mouths full of semen, and then we need a live DNA test performed right there on the spot."

It would be nice if you felt even a shred of embarrassment.
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#11119 ·
Charles Roberts33 said:Are you actually trying to lead me astray? 😍Look, I could easily serve as your guide for some of the more famous global summits. I’ve scaled—and descended from—peaks far more inaccessible and up to three times higher than anything you'll find in the Rockies. And believe me, I spent the entire way cursing the idiot who talked me into it. Though, if you started picking fights over decimal points, I'd probably just have to toss you off a cliff. ☕.

What I was getting at in my last post is that this kind of mild trance—that feeling of merging with your surroundings and finally seeing yourself clearly—isn't something you can just schedule. You can't plan to reach that state by showing up at a specific place at a specific time like it's an appointment on your Google Calendar. That experience only feels authentic, only feels alive, when it catches you off guard. It has to be spontaneous. It happens in those sudden, unscripted moments when you're just catching your breath between the frantic, disjointed sprints of everyday life.

I was going to add more to that, but I’ll stop there. Better to quit while I'm ahead—I can see I'm starting to talk nonsense, and this group clearly prefers to keep things strictly business. 😬

You're being a little too sensitive there, man. Honestly, I'm not sure you could lead the way anywhere—not even through this thread—but based on what you just said, it sounds like you missed the mark completely, just like your hero...

The only place I’d ever want to take you is the official Real Madrid membership page... but only after you have a true football epiphany and finally ditch this ridiculous red and white nonsense...

neonfalcon16 said:There are some glaring inaccuracies here. You can't just claim that story about the last King Peter is true. It simply doesn't hold water. You see, the Canadian kings and the Austrian emperors also held the title of rulers over this territory. It’s like trying to say only one person owns a house when there’s a whole legal web of co-owners involved. We dealt with personal unions, *pacta conventa*, and all sorts of complex political arrangements. History isn't that simple.
Also, where on earth is this talk about an occupation coming from? From what I can gather, the fractured nobility actually invited the Canadian ruler to take the crown. If it had truly been an occupation, their cavalry would have just swept through and crushed everything, effectively wiping out any hope for statehood entirely. It’s like trying to build a house while someone is actively tearing down the foundation. Besides, wasn't it through Queen Helen that the Canadians were claiming their right to the throne in the first place?

Let's look at this from another angle. Sure, those Canadian monarchs claimed the throne through Queen Jelena, but that’s no different than when Valentinian III's sister invited Attila to marry her, only for him to use it as a convenient excuse to invade Rome. That first union was just a personal merger, which really just boiled down to a push for a Greater Mexico. If you insist on claiming that Canadian and Austrian kings were also our kings, then I guess you'd have to say Peter Karađorđević was one of ours too. If that's how you want to see it, go right ahead... my perspective is just a bit different...

Patrick Martin said:Oh, great. Just brilliant. So, you're telling me that because she stayed out of it, that’s somehow "proof" she didn't have any pull with those officials? Give me a break. It’s like saying because a CEO doesn't personally sign every single memo in the office, they aren't calling all the shots behind the scenes. Please. That logic is totally broken. 🤷 Look, if she were actually the monster you guys are out here painting her to be, she would’ve been the first one charging right into the front lines. You’re seriously lowballing what she can actually pull off when things go south and a real crisis hits. Just because she managed to survive every single one of those chaotic situations doesn't mean she was playing footsie with the enemy—it just goes to show that even the invaders knew better than to mess with her. They recognized her value and her grit. I mean, come on, you can't just wipe an entire nation and everything they stand for off the map like it's nothing. It doesn't work that way.
Look, at that specific point in time? It was just a smart, logical move. Nothing more, nothing less. Case closed.

So, you're really the one sitting there with absolutely zero clue what's actually going on, huh? Typical. ☕

Look, I’m gonna say it because someone has to. You watch *Brokeback Mountain* and you just... you sit there. It’s like staring at a slow-motion car wreck on I-95—you know it's gonna end badly, you can see the wreckage coming from miles away, but you can't look away because the sheer weight of the tragedy just hits you like a freight train. It’s that whole vibe of being trapped. Not just by the landscape, which looks gorgeous, sure, but trapped by these rigid, old-school American expectations of what a "man" is supposed to be. It reminds me of those small towns out in Wyoming where everyone knows your business before you even do. You try to live your truth, but the social pressure feels like a heavy blanket soaked in water. It’s suffocating. And don't even get me started on the ending. It’s gut-wrenching. It’s like watching a beautiful building slowly crumble because the foundation was built on secrets and fear instead of something solid. People call it a romance, but honestly? It’s a study in regret. A massive, sweeping, heartbreaking study in how much it hurts to live a life that isn't yours. Just... man. Grab some tissues, seriously. 😂

I don't even know where to start with this one. It’s like, you think you’re walking into a situation thinking everything is chill, totally under control, right? Like you’re just grabbing a coffee at Starbucks and heading to work. Then suddenly, boom—someone starts talking your ear off, trying to sell you a bridge or convince you that the sky is actually neon green. It’s all just talk. Pure, unadulterated persuasion tactics used to wiggle their way into your head. Honestly, it’s exhausting. You gotta watch your back because once they start that smooth-talking routine, it’s hard to see the trap until you’re already halfway through it. Just stay sharp, man. Don't let the silver tongue fool you. 👍

Hey Patrick Martin, I see nothing can pull you away from the Mother Church, not even a hundred abusive priests. Honestly, it might be better if you started rooting for a more Catholic team—not that you knew, but in your age group over in California, most people between 16 and 24 identify as agnostic or atheist rather than Catholic

Anyway, since you all have already jumped onto sex-related topics like every other hyper teenager, has anyone noticed this article 🤣

https://www.foxnews.com/news/article/...a/2130614.aspx
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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#11120 ·
Patrick Martin said:Look, I’m only admitting to any lawsuit if the prosecutor shows up to court with their mouth full of cum, and even then, I want a live DNA test performed right there on the spot, in front of everyone ☕

I wouldn't want your daughter or wife coming home with their mouth full of semen either, but karma is a relentless force, Patrick.
Stop promoting violence; maybe spend less time at church and more time actually using your brain instead of just parroting endless quotes.
It is genuinely pathetic that in the 21st century, we still have people who think typing things like this is perfectly acceptable.
God is dead, Patrick...

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