Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Paul Martinez73 said:Six weeks? Are you kidding me... 🤦

So you incubate the virus for 14 days, spend another 21 days getting treated, and then just carry it around like an asymptomatic carrier for another few weeks...?
I honestly can't tell if you're pulling my leg or if you're actually being serious...
Just for some perspective: Arteta tested positive on the 14th, and after nine days, he’s already back to 100%. If you factor in that he probably caught the bug a few days before the actual test, plus whatever extra time he might spend isolating just to be safe... you could argue it’s closer to three weeks total, but trying to claim it takes six weeks is just a reach... 🤦 And that photo is way too blurry... 🤣

Maybe do some actual research before coming back with those "arguments."

If people were infectious for three weeks straight, we wouldn't even know what to call this disease.

Thank God, it looks like the tremors are moving toward Canada.
One of the recent ones was halfway to Krskog.

Anthony Jackson2 said:Maybe do some actual research before coming back with those "arguments."

If people were infectious for three weeks straight, we wouldn't even know what to call this disease.

"By comparison, only a third of patients with SARS still harbored the virus in their respiratory tract after as long as four weeks, the Chinese scientists said. They studied the medical records and laboratory data from 191 Covid-19 patients treated at Jinyintan Hospital and Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital, including 54 who died from the infection."

Anyway, goodnight.
The average incubation period for the Corona virus is currently about 5 days. If you happen to have some info on mild cases lasting 6 weeks, I'd be more than happy to read it...

Laura Chavez93 said:Hmm... 🤔 So, what exactly are those immune Poles going to do for the Germans—are we talking about Martian technology, or will they just be training chimpanzees...

Maybe it’ll be the nation that chooses production over following "scientific" quarantine protocols. Or perhaps the one that keeps quarantine rules loose enough to keep the factories running. Maybe it's the nation that actually took the necessary steps when the timing was right.

We won't really know the full extent of the supply chain damage here versus everywhere else, or who will be better positioned to bounce back after this.

Paul Martinez73 said:Why don't you tell us if you're still giving advice to truck drivers traveling through Italy to pretend they were never actually there? Is that what we're bragging about now?

And please, give us another one of those little theories of yours about how this is all just a mild flu and everyone is just conspiring together...

Eric Fox7 and any kind of actual discussion... 🤣 🤣

So, Rudan says. The latest report on how movement affects recovery is actually pretty interesting. It turns out that staying active can make a significant difference when you're dealing with certain health issues. A study recently published in the journal Nature suggests that physical activity isn't just good for general fitness, but it plays a specific role in how our bodies manage recovery processes. It’s one of those things we all know intuitively, but seeing the actual data backed up by researchers adds a whole new layer of credibility to the idea. Honestly, I've always felt like moving around helped my mood and energy levels, so it's nice to see science catching up with common sense.

Based on the initial 140,000 tests, the mortality rate among those infected within the community is sitting at around 0.6%, which basically works out to one in two hundred.

Based on those two key pieces of data regarding COVID-19—specifically that it might only lead to one death per 200 infections within a community, and that among those hospitalized, the mortality rate sits between one in 50 and one in 100—epidemiologists have finally started to breathe a sigh of relief. It doesn't seem like anyone is feeling the need to... We're talking about an incredibly dangerous disease here.

So, the thing is, this Corona virus isn't primarily killing people just because it's a case of COVID-19. It’s been medically quite a struggle. For most of those who fell ill, Mainly because it’s spreading among people at such a frantic, crazy pace.The way this Corona virus spreads is honestly pretty intense; it ramps up the number of sick people incredibly fast, and about 5% of those cases end up being really severe.

If we could actually get everyone the right kind of care exactly when they needed it, we’d probably be able to save almost all of those who fell seriously ill.

That’s why almost all of the severe cases are going to end up being fatal. That's essentially how this virus is claiming so many lives over in Italy right now. We could be looking at tens of thousands of people facing severe symptoms, leaving us completely unable to provide the intensive care or ventilators they'll desperately need.

...The average age of the first 827 people who passed away in Italy was 81 years old. It feels like it’s more than just that. Two-thirds of them were dealing with diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, or had a history of smoking.So, those were basically the same people who would probably... People have actually passed away from the flu when they didn't get vaccinated.

If you try to tackle something this "insane" by just doing a month of quarantine, you won't fix it permanently. If we were all infectious for just one week, we could probably wipe out the virus without any issues.

The whole reason they push quarantine is because they're terrified that if we don't follow the rules, our healthcare workers won't just be managing a few dozen or a few hundred severe cases—which the system can actually handle—but rather several thousand at once, which would completely break it."

From what I can gather, if there are 200 infected, maybe 10 are severe cases who will die without proper care. That said, there’s no info on the average age of those infected, which is a pretty vital metric for figuring out how much of the population is actually at risk.

All I know is that Rudan is threatening us with thousands of deaths. Personally, I'm not buying it. I'm not willing to pay that price just so Commissioner Božinović and the media outlets sucking up to him can have their way. A standard quarantine is fine, and isolating the sick makes sense, but shutting down travel between cities? That's just not right.

To be honest, I have no clue what their actual plan is. Are they planning to drag this state of emergency out for six or seven months until summer, or is the goal to allow for a steady, linear spread through the population to build up immunity?

I’m really not going to bother quoting that mountain of nonsense you just pulled out of thin air.

Here, have a look and enjoy...

https://www.ktvu.com/news/100-corona...ist-peter-piot

38. TEDMED: We often hear COVID-19 compared to the seasonal flu. What’s the right way to frame this comparison?

Take the seasonal flu, for instance. It usually hits about 30 million people in the U.S. every year, and while less than 1/10th of 1% of those folks pass away, that's still a massive amount of people. Globally, the seasonal flu claims about 300,000 lives in a typical year. However, on average, this new coronavirus is 10 to 20 times more lethal, and unlike the flu, we don't have the luxury of protecting
ourselves through vaccination.

And if you don't trust the world's leading virologist, here’s a little visual breakdown—maybe this will be easier for you to wrap your head around...

A lot of nonsense in these images—first off, the hospitalization rate looks inflated because basically everyone with Corona gets pushed into a hospital regardless of how mild their symptoms are, whereas with the flu, you only go in once pneumonia kicks in.

I'm with Rudan on this one—it's highly unlikely the mortality rate is over 1%.

restlesssurfer97 said:Imagine walking down the street when the Corona virus just trips over its own feet and faceplants. It mumbles some "holy crap" under its breath... looks down, and realizes it actually tripped over Lionel Messi 😂😂

I mean, think about it, those viruses are freaking microscopic 😂😂

🤣 😍

The second Real Madrid stops dominating, here comes restlesssurfer97 back on the forum. Predictable. Yawn. ☕

Anthony Jackson2 said:A lot of nonsense in these images—first off, the hospitalization rate looks inflated because basically everyone with Corona gets pushed into a hospital regardless of how mild their symptoms are, whereas with the flu, you only go in once pneumonia kicks in.

I'm with Rudan on this one—it's highly unlikely the mortality rate is over 1%.

Then maybe you and Rudan should actually look at the data. According to various studies, the death rate in China is 1.4%. But hey, let's just wait for the final numbers and see if your "hardly above 1%" theory holds any water.
So far, the facts say otherwise.

About 1.4 percent of people in Wuhan, China, who became ill with the coronavirus died, according to a study published Thursday in the journal Nature.

The finding is consistent with a study from last month which also found the case fatality rate — or the number of deaths divided by the number of diagnosed cases — to be 1.4 percent, based on statistics across China.

And while it is lower than an estimate from the WHO earlier this month that said the case fatality rate from the coronavirus could be as high as 3.4 percent globally, experts still said the figure was alarming.

When you're trying to get an accurate read on mortality rates, you really have to look at the countries that are actually putting up a fight against the virus while staying transparent—and let’s be honest, China is definitely failing the transparency test there—so the real benchmarks are Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, and now Korea, which is basically living proof that you can actually crush an epidemic without forcing everyone into total lockdown.

The outbreak in Korea actually kicked off a day or two before it hit Italy, and while Korea shot up quickly to 5,000 cases, Italy hit 3,000 at the exact same time. Now, Korea is sitting at 9,000 but they've stayed under 100 new infections a day for several days already, whereas Italy... man, God help them.

What’s going down in Italy right now is a straight-up collapse, just a complete systemic breakdown, and as tragic as it all is, it’s an absolute embarrassment for them, so I wouldn't be surprised if things get messy once this is over—I could easily see trials and even prison time coming down the line.

Matthew Young35 said:Thank God, it looks like the tremors are moving toward Canada.
One of the recent ones was halfway to Krskog.

🤣🤣

restlesssurfer97 said:When you're trying to get an accurate read on mortality rates, you really have to look at the countries that are actually putting up a fight against the virus while staying transparent—and let’s be honest, China is definitely failing the transparency test there—so the real benchmarks are Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, and now Korea, which is basically living proof that you can actually crush an epidemic without forcing everyone into total lockdown.

The outbreak in Korea actually kicked off a day or two before it hit Italy, and while Korea shot up quickly to 5,000 cases, Italy hit 3,000 at the exact same time. Now, Korea is sitting at 9,000 but they've stayed under 100 new infections a day for several days already, whereas Italy... man, God help them.

What’s going down in Italy right now is a straight-up collapse, just a complete systemic breakdown, and as tragic as it all is, it’s an absolute embarrassment for them, so I wouldn't be surprised if things get messy once this is over—I could easily see trials and even prison time coming down the line.

Everything you said holds up. Maybe the only real difference is how people are acting. In Korea, they have this app where you can track where infected people are and how they move (I'm not sure if they're forced to use it or if they opt-in), like that famous case of the guy who was infected while attending a seminar on sexual violence. Meanwhile, Americans in Italy seem to be breaking quarantine just to act like fake tough guys.🤷

Setting aside the math on mortality rates, you don't need to be a genius to figure out which of these two scenarios is more likely to happen here.😁

EDIT:

Here's that link regarding Korea.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-private-lives

By the way, this whole "everyone works 8 to 5" thing is just pure stupidity. I was out this morning and saw massive crowds and people practically shoving each other just to get to the bakery—I honestly don't see what they think they're accomplishing here. All they're doing is forcing everyone into stores at the exact same time. Plus, where are the folks who start their shifts at 7 or 8 supposed to go? 🙄

On top of that, the gas stations are staying open as usual, so you end up with these huge lines forming there right after 5 PM anyway. 🤦

I honestly still can't wrap my head around how they just slapped those movement restrictions on us 🤣 like we were just gonna roll over and let them do it without a fight...

Paul Sanders5 said:I honestly still can't wrap my head around how they just slapped those movement restrictions on us 🤣 like we were just gonna roll over and let them do it without a fight...

I bet Božinović is having a field day right now—his wildest dreams are finally coming true.

Honestly, these permit requirements are getting straight-up surreal.

Like, you want to head out to the countryside to prune some olive trees? You need a permit. Want to go feed the livestock? Get a permit. It’s 2020, yet we're living out every single bureaucratic wet dream ever conceived by some local city hall clerk. 🙏

What I find even more staggering is how the mindless sheep follow every single move this task force makes without question.
They’re out there calling for harsh prison sentences and lynch mobs, practically begging for the government to tighten its boot on everyone's neck.
It’s that exact hive mentality that Ernest Hemingway captured so vividly...

Look at Bozinovic today, lecturing certain retailers about when they should advertise TV sales. As if that’s the priority right now.
What’s next? Are they going to start regulating people's private lives and sexual habits too?
These parasites have suddenly become indispensable during this crisis, all while pursuing their true mission: dismantling the private sector entirely.

Now is the moment for discipline and centralized decision-making, rather than letting every idiot pull in their own direction. Of course, in their own minds, everyone else is the idiot, while they remain perfectly rational.

As far as our situation goes, I haven't seen a single decision yet that strikes me as truly irrational. We’re navigating uncharted territory just like the rest of the world, except we aren't being steered by East Asian conglomerates, but by Americans.

If only we could just oust this incompetent excuse for a mayor through an emergency mandate and install a specialized task force of twenty experts to actually run the city; I think I'd feel a lot better about our future.

Paul Sanders5 said:I honestly still can't wrap my head around how they just slapped those movement restrictions on us 🤣 like we were just gonna roll over and let them do it without a fight...

Yeah, I guess the option where the whole healthcare system just completely collapses because we let the virus spread uncontrollably and instantly is way more appealing. 🤷

It’s definitely not sustainable in the long run, but maybe it helps cushion the blow for the most vulnerable people until the hospitals can actually handle the load—which is kind of the whole point, right? I don't really see any other way to avoid ending up like Italy.

And they had that exact same mindset (and for some reason, a huge chunk of them still do) back in early March, so we all saw exactly where that led them.