Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Jessica Gonzalez said:I guess that heavenly nation will be kissing your ass forever, all the way from Tokyo to Milwaukee. 🙏

They've been doing it for a long, long time.


Vučko isn't moving until Ćing takes over the factory. 🤣

Noah Perez2 said:Damn, what an absolute fortress you've built here. Respect. 🙏 🙏

Is it actually worth my time to slog through 50 pages of backlog? 🍿

Whatever, at least it happened—better than living in North Korea with a bunch of echo chambers.

I’ve been reading through almost this entire thread, and honestly, I have to hand it to Paul Martinez73—the guy really knows how to spin nonsense. His persistence is something else. But here's the thing: I don't recall him ever actually condemning the total failure of our institutions to stop these Masses from happening. Sure, he said he isn't "pro-Mass" and that people ought to follow the regulations, but his real obsession seems to be with the journalist rather than the fact that the Police failed to act, even though they knew exactly what was coming long before it actually went down. 🤦

wiredrider9 said:Meanwhile, you walk into any store and there's always more than five people waiting—honestly, in some of the bigger places, I've seen like ten workers on staff at once. It's a joke. I wonder what kind of "scientific method" they used to come up with that number five?

Do you even realize that people go to stores to buy basic necessities? The whole point of these measures is risk mitigation; you only expose yourself to risk when it's absolutely necessary. Is buying food necessary? Yes. Is going to church necessary? No. That comparison is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you've already posted it several times.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Honestly, the constant drop in infection numbers here in Los Angeles (only 5 new cases today!) totally baffles me, especially since half the city is out on the streets all day long. I’m going to go quickly knock on every single wooden surface I have in my apartment.

Not really. If you walk from Kvátrice to Times Square right now, you won't even run into fifty people along the way. Just my personal observation, happens every single day.

Noah Roberts46 said:Do you even realize that people go to stores to buy basic necessities? The whole point of these measures is risk mitigation; you only expose yourself to risk when it's absolutely necessary. Is buying food necessary? Yes. Is going to church necessary? No. That comparison is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you've already posted it several times.

First mistake right there.

Noah Roberts46 said:Do you even realize that people go to stores to buy basic necessities? The whole point of these measures is risk mitigation; you only expose yourself to risk when it's absolutely necessary. Is buying food necessary? Yes. Is going to church necessary? No. That comparison is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you've already posted it several times.

For a significant portion of your fellow Americans, spiritual renewal is just as much a necessity.

Connecting with the Creator matters more to many than sourdough, bagels, or pastries, however hard that might be for some people to wrap their heads around.

I still maintain that one of the primary reasons things have stabilized so quickly in the US is because we were hit by a combination of shock from the earthquake and a sudden cold snap with a few snowflakes right after.
A few days following the quake, there wasn't a soul on the streets.
People were either paralyzed by fear, shivering from the cold, watching the snow fall, or dodging falling roof tiles.
Since many people were scheduled to start new jobs around that time, quite a few employers who hadn't resumed operations immediately after the earthquake decided to push back start dates (I was one of them, for instance).

We’ll see how the situation evolves in about three or four weeks. If you stop paying attention for even a moment, you'll notice that much of the city is slowly returning to its usual rhythm now that the initial shock—first from the virus and then from the earthquake—has finally passed.

Noah Roberts46 said:I’ve been reading through almost this entire thread, and honestly, I have to hand it to Paul Martinez73—the guy really knows how to spin nonsense. His persistence is something else. But here's the thing: I don't recall him ever actually condemning the total failure of our institutions to stop these Masses from happening. Sure, he said he isn't "pro-Mass" and that people ought to follow the regulations, but his real obsession seems to be with the journalist rather than the fact that the Police failed to act, even though they knew exactly what was coming long before it actually went down. 🤦

Oh, I'm twisting things? Great, now go look in a mirror. All I'm doing is refusing to write about stuff that hasn't even been reported yet; for instance, yesterday we had no idea if the Police were even responding to calls, but today we finally have that info. It was a lapse because they weren't there at 10:00, but let's be real—the Police aren't on duty just to stand guard at a church to make sure nobody shows up. I guess the best solution is for the Police to just stand outside the church and cause a scene every single day...
The priest was reported and everything followed the law. Now you can get back to spinning stories along with your little buddies. Later.

"He stated then that he would hold services every day, including on Easter. However, in the following days, there were no services. We were there on Tuesday and Wednesday... We also monitored the parish website on Easter and saw the first service was at 8:00 AM. That was enough notice. We were there at that time, and there was no service. It's true we weren't there at ten o'clock, given that there was no service and we had plenty of other priorities. Once we heard about the attack on the journalist, we arrived very quickly. All three individuals who attacked the journalists have been identified and arrested," he said.

"Regarding what we have been doing these past few days and today, we placed officers at the entrance to the church courtyard. We informed citizens they could not attend. Today, about 15 citizens remained. An inspector was with us, and he determined that the citizens were keeping a sufficient distance, one meter apart. Many people are asking why we aren't acting differently. It's because we can't; it's what the law dictates," it was stated.

"We have notified Civil Defense, the Inspectorate, and the Archdiocese about every gathering so far—five times total. We contacted the Archdiocese because this concerns a priest who refuses to respect their decisions," it was stated.

Noah Roberts46 said:Do you even realize that people go to stores to buy basic necessities? The whole point of these measures is risk mitigation; you only expose yourself to risk when it's absolutely necessary. Is buying food necessary? Yes. Is going to church necessary? No. That comparison is so incredibly stupid I can't believe you've already posted it several times.

it's not just stupid, it's brain-dead. yeah

Charles Roberts33 said:For a significant portion of your fellow Americans, spiritual renewal is just as much a necessity.

Connecting with the Creator matters more to many than sourdough, bagels, or pastries, however hard that might be for some people to wrap their heads around.

You can celebrate the Eucharist right in your own home, by yourself. You don't even need a TV or a radio for it. Another thing is that most believers are pretty uneducated, even regarding their own faith. The vast majority haven't even read the Bible, so it’s hardly surprising that some mentally unstable priest can easily manipulate such a small group of people.

Joseph Clark37 said:I am talking about this morning's outdoor Mass held right in front of the church. Regardless of how much anyone tries to play lawyer and claim otherwise, it qualifies as an outdoor gathering. Try applying that same logic elsewhere and see if the police don't show up to disperse you—and if you refuse, they'll arrest you. Take what I witnessed recently near Milwaukee: people were standing several feet apart, nowhere near as close as they were this morning over at Sirobuja, yet the police still came to move them along. One person refused to step away and was forcibly taken into custody.
Masses are being held every day during the pandemic without a crowd present. You see them on TV almost daily. Fortunately, most priests are conscientious and follow the guidelines. The exception is this old rural type from Sirobuja, whose actions undermine and spit on the sacrifices made by all the other church workers who are following pandemic protocols. It's the same with the people gathering at this Mass, disrespecting the rest of us believers who stay home and watch on television. Given the neighborhood, I'm not surprised there's a handful of selfish, reckless idiots...
If that deputy chief thinks the one-meter social distancing rule for outdoors applies to everyone equally, he might as well just pin the blame on someone else entirely. That's all I have to say on the matter...

So, if those two women were arrested in Split just for taking a stroll, should they be arresting everyone? Instead of preaching equality for all, look at how people gather at Jarun or Bundek; nobody is being chased off by the police there, they just get warned to keep their distance.

What are we supposed to do about it now? Just because the police aren't doing their job properly in one spot doesn't mean they should stop doing their job everywhere.

Here’s a suggestion: go gather somewhere, keep your distance, film it, and if they try to kick you off, you'll have plenty of material for a lawsuit. I’m telling you, if you’re anywhere and maintaining distance, nobody is going to touch you—unless some idiot in a uniform decides to play drill sergeant, but then you'll have the video evidence to show everyone exactly what happened...

Ryan Vaughn7 said:Not really. If you walk from Kvátrice to Times Square right now, you won't even run into fifty people along the way. Just my personal observation, happens every single day.

Alright, look, I haven't moved an inch since Wednesday because I've been off work. I head back to the job tomorrow, so I'll check out the situation then. Last week, the place was absolutely packed in the afternoon.

Matthew Young35 said:I still maintain that one of the primary reasons things have stabilized so quickly in the US is because we were hit by a combination of shock from the earthquake and a sudden cold snap with a few snowflakes right after.
A few days following the quake, there wasn't a soul on the streets.
People were either paralyzed by fear, shivering from the cold, watching the snow fall, or dodging falling roof tiles.
Since many people were scheduled to start new jobs around that time, quite a few employers who hadn't resumed operations immediately after the earthquake decided to push back start dates (I was one of them, for instance).

We’ll see how the situation evolves in about three or four weeks. If you stop paying attention for even a moment, you'll notice that much of the city is slowly returning to its usual rhythm now that the initial shock—first from the virus and then from the earthquake—has finally passed.

That's true, but if you look at the data, numbers spiked hard right after the earthquake and now the curve is finally dipping. We hit our peak daily infection count just a couple of days after the quake.

Now that the weather has warmed up and everyone is moving around again, the daily numbers have been steadily dropping, unless you count these recent clusters in nursing homes.

That’s why everyone says the next two or three weeks are the real test. That’s when we’ll see which way the wind is actually blowing.

Ryan Vaughn7 said:Not really. If you walk from Kvátrice to Times Square right now, you won't even run into fifty people along the way. Just my personal observation, happens every single day.

But that embankment is absolutely packed. I haven't seen that many people there in forever.

I haven't been to Jarun, or Maximilians, or Bundek, but if Rakitje was swarmed last week, I can only imagine what it's like over there.

I'm not judging, honestly. It's good that people are getting out, walking around; I think that's a positive thing. I just doubt this pace will continue once the bars and shopping malls reopen, though. Probably won't.

Right now, they've got nowhere else to go but outdoors, so that's that. Where else are the folks from Kvartrić supposed to go instead of Times Square? There isn't anywhere.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:That's true, but if you look at the data, numbers spiked hard right after the earthquake and now the curve is finally dipping. We hit our peak daily infection count just a couple of days after the quake.

Now that the weather has warmed up and everyone is moving around again, the daily numbers have been steadily dropping, unless you count these recent clusters in nursing homes.

That’s why everyone says the next two or three weeks are the real test. That’s when we’ll see which way the wind is actually blowing.

You’re forgetting about the lag.
For most people, symptoms don't even show up until a week or two later, sometimes even longer.

Paul Martinez73 said:Oh, I'm twisting things? Great, now go look in a mirror. All I'm doing is refusing to write about stuff that hasn't even been reported yet; for instance, yesterday we had no idea if the Police were even responding to calls, but today we finally have that info. It was a lapse because they weren't there at 10:00, but let's be real—the Police aren't on duty just to stand guard at a church to make sure nobody shows up. I guess the best solution is for the Police to just stand outside the church and cause a scene every single day...
The priest was reported and everything followed the law. Now you can get back to spinning stories along with your little buddies. Later.

"He stated then that he would hold services every day, including on Easter. However, in the following days, there were no services. We were there on Tuesday and Wednesday... We also monitored the parish website on Easter and saw the first service was at 8:00 AM. That was enough notice. We were there at that time, and there was no service. It's true we weren't there at ten o'clock, given that there was no service and we had plenty of other priorities. Once we heard about the attack on the journalist, we arrived very quickly. All three individuals who attacked the journalists have been identified and arrested," he said.

"Regarding what we have been doing these past few days and today, we placed officers at the entrance to the church courtyard. We informed citizens they could not attend. Today, about 15 citizens remained. An inspector was with us, and he determined that the citizens were keeping a sufficient distance, one meter apart. Many people are asking why we aren't acting differently. It's because we can't; it's what the law dictates," it was stated.

"We have notified Civil Defense, the Inspectorate, and the Archdiocese about every gathering so far—five times total. We contacted the Archdiocese because this concerns a priest who refuses to respect their decisions," it was stated.

Even without that specific answer from the police, you weren't even addressing their failures—you were too busy attacking the reporter. Besides, this statement from the police doesn't justify anything. Easter is the second biggest holiday of the year; the guy announces his services constantly. Anyone with half a brain realizes people are going to gather during Easter. They absolutely should have stationed a few officers there for the whole day. If this had happened on any other day, you'd have a point, but we are talking about Easter. Weren't you the one saying security measures would be increased specifically because of Easter, or did I miss something? What if more people had shown up and someone caught the Coronavirus? We're lucky people aren't all as thick-headed as that priest.

@wiredrider9

Argumentative response. 👍

Matthew Young35 said:You’re forgetting about the lag.
For most people, symptoms don't even show up until a week or two later, sometimes even longer.

I haven't forgotten. Just look at the data. Exactly ten days after the initial surge, we saw a massive spike of 97 cases in a single day. After that, it hovered around 70 to 80 for a few days, and now it’s steadily dropping. The incubation period is two weeks at most, and on top of that, we keep our positive cases under observation for an extra week. The only recent jump we saw was on April 10th, but over 50 of those cases were traced back to that one nursing home and its staff.

By the way, this maniac was back at Mass again today.

The police probably didn't have a clue yet, either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HalesHerz...21183002447873

Honestly, nothing about this surprises me at all. 🙏🙏