Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Paul Sanders5 said:Thanks to Sweden, we’re actually going to have something to compare this to. In a few months, or maybe even a year, once everything finally settles down ( 🤣 ), we'll see the real numbers. Honestly, I’m ready to bet money right now that it’s going to be a pathetic rate—just a tiny footnote in the history books.

Thank God there are other countries finally starting to wake up. The Governor of California just ordered autopsies for all those suspicious cases from December

edit: Just so people don't think I'm out of touch with the Coronavirus situation, my cousin is actually in the hospital because of it 🤣 there's about 20 of them in that ward, and nobody's actually sick; they're basically dying of boredom, being total pains, and just waiting to get discharged 😁 he didn't even have symptoms, he just got tested because of contact.

My sister probably had it; she had a fever on Sunday and felt pretty wiped out for a couple of days after, but she's totally fine now. Since she isn't going to get tested, I suspect she won't end up in the official stats, even though they told her it was the virus.

ruggedjackal46 said:The death toll in the USA is ten times higher than what we're seeing in China. What kind of leadership does that even suggest?

Sweden has a death count roughly equal to our current infection numbers. Look, countries like Sweden or Germany can afford to take those kinds of risks because they have robust healthcare systems capable of absorbing a massive surge in patients. Our healthcare system is already straining at the seams; they're turning away people who don't even have Coronavirus just to keep up. What on earth would happen if we had 20,000 active cases instead of 2,000?

Honestly, this whole situation is a tectonic disaster. It’s a complete wreck for the economy, and it’s just as messy for politics, especially now that the crisis management team has basically become an unquestionable authority. No matter how you slice it, it's a total mess.

The system is creaking because of sheer negligence and laziness.
We haven't even hit 5 percent ventilator capacity yet, and frankly, last year's seasonal flu was three times more chaotic than this.
In Koprivnica, during the last season or the one before it, there wasn't enough capacity for everyone—and that goes for Chicago too. There was a whole article on Linko about it.

I would love for one of these self-proclaimed doomsday prophets to explain how the healthcare system is suddenly so overburdened that it’s failing...

And yeah, it’s just wonderful that, for instance, churches are allowed to operate starting at 2:30 PM right before Sunday, even though most other restrictions kick in on Monday.
Meanwhile, schools aren't even allowed to reopen for at least another nine days after that.

Which group do you think is actually higher risk: kids in schools or people in churches?
The Task Force is all about "expertise" and "protecting the elderly," right? So why isn't that being applied consistently...

ruggedjackal46 said:The death toll in the USA is ten times higher than what we're seeing in China. What kind of leadership does that even suggest?

Sweden has a death count roughly equal to our current infection numbers. Look, countries like Sweden or Germany can afford to take those kinds of risks because they have robust healthcare systems capable of absorbing a massive surge in patients. Our healthcare system is already straining at the seams; they're turning away people who don't even have Coronavirus just to keep up. What on earth would happen if we had 20,000 active cases instead of 2,000?

Honestly, this whole situation is a tectonic disaster. It’s a complete wreck for the economy, and it’s just as messy for politics, especially now that the crisis management team has basically become an unquestionable authority. No matter how you slice it, it's a total mess.

😂😂

Sweden has as many deaths as we have total infections right now, and honestly, countries like Sweden or Germany can actually afford to take those kinds of risks because their healthcare systems are massive enough to handle a surge in patients, whereas our system is already struggling just to stay afloat, turning away people who don't even have Coronavirus, so imagine the absolute chaos if we had 20,000 active cases instead of just 2,000.

Around here, hospitals are turning away non-COVID cases mostly out of pure fear, which is really just a direct byproduct of this whole COVID panic rather than actual hospital capacity issues—if that were the case, it would actually support your point, but I'm genuinely wondering how you managed to talk yourself into such a circular logic trap here.

btw, I can't be bothered to go digging for it right now, but I remember seeing some chart comparing things like ICU bed capacity, ventilators, and all that stuff where the US was doing better than Sweden, and Germany was sitting way up at the top.
But hey, whatever, I don't know how precise those numbers were, so if anyone actually has the data, feel free to drop it.

ruggedjackal46 said:The death toll in the USA is ten times higher than what we're seeing in China. What kind of leadership does that even suggest?

Sweden has a death count roughly equal to our current infection numbers. Look, countries like Sweden or Germany can afford to take those kinds of risks because they have robust healthcare systems capable of absorbing a massive surge in patients. Our healthcare system is already straining at the seams; they're turning away people who don't even have Coronavirus just to keep up. What on earth would happen if we had 20,000 active cases instead of 2,000?

Honestly, this whole situation is a tectonic disaster. It’s a complete wreck for the economy, and it’s just as messy for politics, especially now that the crisis management team has basically become an unquestionable authority. No matter how you slice it, it's a total mess.

America actually has significantly more hospital beds per 100,000 people than Sweden does. I can't Google it right this second, but I remember seeing that data on Eurostat. Sweden has one of the lowest numbers of hospital beds in the EU.

Churches are opening up this Sunday so everyone can get there to pray that things start looking up for us starting Monday.

mellowotter36 said:America actually has significantly more hospital beds per 100,000 people than Sweden does. I can't Google it right this second, but I remember seeing that data on Eurostat. Sweden has one of the lowest numbers of hospital beds in the EU.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I saw that same chart myself.

Regarding masks and how the world handled things, there certainly wasn't a universal consensus, though the mockery was undoubtedly fueled by the simple fact that people just couldn't get their hands on them. On one hand, I see where they were coming from, but on the other, I find it hard to wrap my head around how we haven't managed to scale up mass production by now.

That is to say, I suppose it’s just the typical, predictable incompetence you'd expect from an GOP supporter.

brightpilot6 said:Regarding masks and how the world handled things, there certainly wasn't a universal consensus, though the mockery was undoubtedly fueled by the simple fact that people just couldn't get their hands on them. On one hand, I see where they were coming from, but on the other, I find it hard to wrap my head around how we haven't managed to scale up mass production by now.

That is to say, I suppose it’s just the typical, predictable incompetence you'd expect from an GOP supporter.

Seriously though, how can they not? Some guy in a small town in the Midwest probably put together a whole crew to manufacture masks and gloves in like two weeks. 🙏

Amanda Evans2 said:The system is creaking because of sheer negligence and laziness.
We haven't even hit 5 percent ventilator capacity yet, and frankly, last year's seasonal flu was three times more chaotic than this.
In Koprivnica, during the last season or the one before it, there wasn't enough capacity for everyone—and that goes for Chicago too. There was a whole article on Linko about it.

I would love for one of these self-proclaimed doomsday prophets to explain how the healthcare system is suddenly so overburdened that it’s failing...

And yeah, it’s just wonderful that, for instance, churches are allowed to operate starting at 2:30 PM right before Sunday, even though most other restrictions kick in on Monday.
Meanwhile, schools aren't even allowed to reopen for at least another nine days after that.

Which group do you think is actually higher risk: kids in schools or people in churches?
The Task Force is all about "expertise" and "protecting the elderly," right? So why isn't that being applied consistently...

Sure, but the negligence and lack of effort aren't just some temporary lapse by staff—it's a long-term characteristic of the entire system. Doctors and nurses can't just say, "Oh, we'll get serious starting tomorrow." They're basically just watching a broken system try not to completely collapse when the next crisis hits.

And yeah, that brings up the bigger question: why is our healthcare such a disaster and how can it actually be fixed? The answer to the first part is basically GOP featuring DNC, and the solution to the second is simply "not GOP featuring DNC." But those are broader political issues, not immediate reactions to the Coronavirus.

And sure, it's great that churches are allowed to operate from the 2.5th, right before Sunday, even though most other measures kick in on Monday.
Meanwhile, schools aren't even allowed to do the bare minimum for at least nine days after that.

Which group is actually higher risk? Students in schools or people in churches?
The task force claims they're being experts and focusing on protecting the elderly. How else are they supposed to handle it?

Holy cows 🙄

It is entirely plausible they just finalized the percentage agreement with their relatives... considering how much money can be siphoned off when you're dealing with tens of millions of units ☕
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restlesssurfer97 said:😂😂

Sweden has as many deaths as we have total infections right now, and honestly, countries like Sweden or Germany can actually afford to take those kinds of risks because their healthcare systems are massive enough to handle a surge in patients, whereas our system is already struggling just to stay afloat, turning away people who don't even have Coronavirus, so imagine the absolute chaos if we had 20,000 active cases instead of just 2,000.

Around here, hospitals are turning away non-COVID cases mostly out of pure fear, which is really just a direct byproduct of this whole COVID panic rather than actual hospital capacity issues—if that were the case, it would actually support your point, but I'm genuinely wondering how you managed to talk yourself into such a circular logic trap here.

btw, I can't be bothered to go digging for it right now, but I remember seeing some chart comparing things like ICU bed capacity, ventilators, and all that stuff where the US was doing better than Sweden, and Germany was sitting way up at the top.
But hey, whatever, I don't know how precise those numbers were, so if anyone actually has the data, feel free to drop it.

You know, healthcare isn't just about having a bed to toss a patient into, is it? 🙂

Otherwise, Sweden could just order a few thousand beds from IKEA and call it a day. Problem solved, right? 😂

Maybe it would be more useful to look at the actual medical staff counts in different countries, what they’re getting paid on average, and how many of them are jumping ship to work abroad. That probably gives a much more realistic picture of actual healthcare capacity, don't you think?

The front office definitely hired a lawyer from SportsCenter, so just watch out guys, they've got an expert with hundreds of games under their belt 🤣

It’s absolutely critical that we set up our tents in Dubrava and spread out our beds across the Arena.
Simply stirring up the masses through empty rhetoric and visual panic on TV isn't going to cut it anymore...

urbanhawk17 said:If the whole world had just shut down for twenty days, quarantine would have actually worked and saved the economy. This current approach is just dragging things out indefinitely.

Two days ago, our infection numbers were higher than they were twenty days ago, yet now we're talking about easing restrictions. Twenty days ago, the only thing we heard was #StayHome.

Why ease up now instead of twenty days ago? 🤷

When this second wave hits, are we going to be told to #StayHome for another month and a half?

What if the virus has mutated by then?

Look, it's not the same thing whether you have 31 sick people spread across different cities or if 25 of them are stuck in one single nursing home like yesterday.

I think we need to be real here. Even though I was panicking at first—reading stupid clickbait headlines like an idiot and venting on this forum—it feels pretty dumb looking back at the situation now that I'm being level-headed.

They should have pulled the trigger on those measures about ten days ago. They're being way too slow.

Swedish hospitals aren't exactly space shuttles, at least from what I've gathered through a few different experiences there. I guess their main advantage is that they generally seem to prioritize health and hygiene more, so they probably don't need doctors quite as often. They also seem a bit less prone to unnecessary drama or panicking. It's kind of that whole healthy mind, healthy body philosophy.

Sid, look, over here the entire healthcare system is currently drowning trying to manage 2000 patients with Coronavirus. Of course there’s no real collapse—it’s just "every man for himself" at this point. If you die at home, nobody’s even gonna notice 😁 And I'm not even making this up on the fly; about a month ago, right when they were rolling out all these new restrictions, my old man got hit with this massive, blinding pain in the middle of the night. Turns out it was just kidney stones. You wouldn't believe the absolute nonsense and hoops they made him jump through just to get some basic pain meds at the ER 🙏

Now they’ve gone and banned Sunday hours for the grocery stores that have been open every single Sunday this whole time.
We all know exactly whose little initiative this was from the start...
The holy headquarters and the holy church...

The system isn't even breaking a sweat over two patients with Coronavirus. We’ve barely got anything over 1,000 active cases right now, and out of that total, about 700 people are just chilling at home in isolation.

I’m not entirely sure if you’re taking a swipe at me. If you are, let it be noted for the record that my opinion is that things are only getting progressively worse as time marches on. It seems to me that while the healthcare aspect was handled quite well, everything else has become such a chaotic mess that "colorful" doesn't even begin to describe it.

All this ambiguity, the sheer lack of logic, and the constant contradictions—it's enough to drive people mad, and there's just more of it every single day.

Kidney stones are an absolute nightmare; they caught me twice, leaving me lying there in pure agony, just gasping for air...
A warm beer might help you scream your lungs out to God...