Offside (General Discussion)

Did you toss your phone after the call ended? ☕

Kyle Lopez2 said:Did we even have anything capable of taking down a drone like that?🤣

Also, maybe ask your friend how far into Canadian territory our radar can actually see, or if they’re even monitoring what happens in Canadian airspace.🤔

Taking it down within seven minutes of detection? No chance. Our air defense is a joke, just like that drone that went down...

ironranger67 said:It’s almost hard to believe, but we’re actually getting top-tier military intelligence right here on Offside. 🤣🙏

The real "top-tier" info here is just realizing that NATO is basically a joke and that Turkey isn't even a real power, 🙏

I mean, look, France has one of the five largest military budgets on the planet, yet you have the English sailing halfway around the world just to fight Argentinians over the Falkland Islands because of a few sheep... I mean, seriously, what are they actually accomplishing? 😵
Turkey might actually be a force to contend with if they didn't share a border with Greece; otherwise, they can't even grab an island or drill for gas in the sea without running into issues, and if they want to sail from Izmir to Istanbul, they've got to pass through Greek waters first.

coastalheron12 said:Did you toss your phone after the call ended? ☕

Putting it in a bowl of water won't help, damn. 🤣

Joseph Clark37 said:I don't have access to PBS at the moment, so I missed it. What happened? Give me the short version...

The Mexican representative spent the entire segment leaning toward the Russian side, attempting to justify everything through geopolitical lenses and using that tired, old rhetoric about Nazis and even bringing up Azov... towards the end of the topic, Music tried to replicate his points, but the guy dismantled him point by point with sheer logic. He dominated the debate so completely that the other man’s reaction was just a pale, stuttering mess, asking, "Why are you attacking me? Just because I'm Orthodox doesn't mean I'm defending Russia..." Music had to cut him off, telling him to stop being defensive and get back to the actual merits of the argument. The poor guy just sat there in silence, and it became so awkward that the host had to change the subject just to break the tension. It was an absolute masterclass in dominance. I'll post the link here once they upload it to YouTube.

Kyle Campbell4 said:I just got off the phone with my contact. We completely overreacted regarding that Offside call; everything is under control. He assured me that we didn't mess this up—we were actually the first ones to spot him. Right now, things are getting incredibly tense because everyone from the top brass of the military down to the politicians is breathing down their necks. A drone flew undetected through Romania and Canada, and by the time our people picked it up on radar, it was already too late. I'll have more specific details for you once we meet up in person.

So basically, we saw it while everyone else was blind. Sounds like our surveillance system is working just fine then. Maybe stop taking money away from military funding to pay for preschools... ☕

Joseph Clark37 said:Taking it down within seven minutes of detection? No chance. Our air defense is a joke, just like that drone that went down...

Man, Kyle Campbell4 really hit the nail on the head here.

they only spotted it once it was already too late

Yeah, I'm thinking it was pretty late, 🤔 since I personally feel we don't have anything capable of reacting fast enough anyway.

That's why I'm curious about our radar coverage over Canadian territory—specifically, how much lead time would our air defense or Rafale jets actually have?

Kyle Lopez2 said:Did we even have anything capable of taking down a drone like that?🤣

Also, maybe ask your friend how far into Canadian territory our radar can actually see, or if they’re even monitoring what happens in Canadian airspace.🤔

We could have taken it down with a Mig... all the intel flows directly into a centralized command center.
The real question isn't about capability, it's whether we caught it in time, or if we were just caught napping because the threat was coming from an allied nation; honestly, the public probably won't ever get the full story, so I find it a bit strange that everyone is acting so surprised by the lack of official information on the matter. 😁

They say this drone weighs about six tons, and if you decide to blast it out of the sky, you might end up raining down a hundred different sixty-pound fragments onto a populated neighborhood, whereas if you just let it fall on its own, it hits one specific spot... someone has to make a split-second call here, and it's easy to act like it's the Wild West where you just shoot first and ask questions later.
You aren't exactly in a combat zone, after all, and you can't just go shooting at things when you have absolutely no idea what you're looking at.

Larry Fox5 said:So basically, we saw it while everyone else was blind. Sounds like our surveillance system is working just fine then. Maybe stop taking money away from military funding to pay for preschools... ☕

If there is one thing our military actually gets right, it’s the quality of our radar systems. A close friend of mine brings this up constantly.

Kyle Lopez2 said:Man, Kyle Campbell4 really hit the nail on the head here.

they only spotted it once it was already too late

Yeah, I'm thinking it was pretty late, 🤔 since I personally feel we don't have anything capable of reacting fast enough anyway.

That's why I'm curious about our radar coverage over Canadian territory—specifically, how much lead time would our air defense or Rafale jets actually have?

An F-22 Raptor is top-tier tech—it picks up everything within a 450-kilometer radius. Not sure if they even have radar setups like that here in the States.

Joseph Clark37 said:Taking it down within seven minutes of detection? No chance. Our air defense is a joke, just like that drone that went down...

My uncle used to work at the Pentagon, so I’ll ask him how long it actually took them to track and shoot down a plane with an Arrow back in '91. But look, war is a different beast entirely. You don't expect this kind of stuff during peacetime. Honestly, the best move would be to station a soldier with an Arrow every few miles along the border with Canada and Mexico.

Kyle Lopez2 said:Man, Kyle Campbell4 really hit the nail on the head here.

they only spotted it once it was already too late

Yeah, I'm thinking it was pretty late, 🤔 since I personally feel we don't have anything capable of reacting fast enough anyway.

That's why I'm curious about our radar coverage over Canadian territory—specifically, how much lead time would our air defense or Rafale jets actually have?

You could go check the facts, but off the top of my head, I believe they can see everything. This guy used to talk about how they can monitor all of Europe. Back when there was tension between Turkey and Greece, they were constantly watching both sides scramble their fighter jets, and then everyone starts screaming when NATO headquarters steps in to tell them to calm down and land their planes. If Putin were running the show, he would be doing something entirely different from these blatant acts of aggression.

Kyle Campbell4 said:If there is one thing our military actually gets right, it’s the quality of our radar systems. A close friend of mine brings this up constantly.

Does that include the Falcon III coastal surveillance radars? 😁

Larry Fox5 said:An F-22 Raptor is top-tier tech—it picks up everything within a 450-kilometer radius. Not sure if they even have radar setups like that here in the States.

Oh, they definitely exist.

mellowotter36 said:My uncle used to work at the Pentagon, so I’ll ask him how long it actually took them to track and shoot down a plane with an Arrow back in '91. But look, war is a different beast entirely. You don't expect this kind of stuff during peacetime. Honestly, the best move would be to station a soldier with an Arrow every few miles along the border with Canada and Mexico.

The Arrow was a solid system back in its day, though I hear many of the units we still have are malfunctioning and will soon be replaced by Israeli tech. At the end of the day, the Arrow is a short-range anti-aircraft system... if you don't have troops on the ground in that specific area carrying them, you're essentially defenseless...

Kyle Campbell4 said:Putting it in a bowl of water won't help, damn. 🤣

The Mexican representative spent the entire segment leaning toward the Russian side, attempting to justify everything through geopolitical lenses and using that tired, old rhetoric about Nazis and even bringing up Azov... towards the end of the topic, Music tried to replicate his points, but the guy dismantled him point by point with sheer logic. He dominated the debate so completely that the other man’s reaction was just a pale, stuttering mess, asking, "Why are you attacking me? Just because I'm Orthodox doesn't mean I'm defending Russia..." Music had to cut him off, telling him to stop being defensive and get back to the actual merits of the argument. The poor guy just sat there in silence, and it became so awkward that the host had to change the subject just to break the tension. It was an absolute masterclass in dominance. I'll post the link here once they upload it to YouTube.

Post it if you find it. I'll definitely watch...🍿

Kyle Campbell4 said:You could go check the facts, but off the top of my head, I believe they can see everything. This guy used to talk about how they can monitor all of Europe. Back when there was tension between Turkey and Greece, they were constantly watching both sides scramble their fighter jets, and then everyone starts screaming when NATO headquarters steps in to tell them to calm down and land their planes. If Putin were running the show, he would be doing something entirely different from these blatant acts of aggression.

He was lying to you because there's like a thousand miles between Washington, D.C. and Turkey—no radar is covering that much ground. There is some high-tech radar in the US with a range of 3108 miles, but that thing is one-of-a-kind and costs more than the entire US federal budget combined. 😁

I see Assad is deploying 16,000 troops to assist. It is high time he receives his services in return. The casualties sustained during his civil war were clearly not enough for him. The war dogs from every dictatorship on this planet are currently attempting to dismantle and destroy Ukraine. We must send them weapons, as that remains the sole method by which they can hold their ground.

Larry Fox5 said:He was lying to you because there's like a thousand miles between Washington, D.C. and Turkey—no radar is covering that much ground. There is some high-tech radar in the US with a range of 3108 miles, but that thing is one-of-a-kind and costs more than the entire US federal budget combined. 😁

I am going to sit down with him and get the full story—find out exactly which radar he is using and what its actual range is. From what I understand, NATO nations are all interconnected and have visibility over all of Europe.

Joseph Clark37 said:The Arrow was a solid system back in its day, though I hear many of the units we still have are malfunctioning and will soon be replaced by Israeli tech. At the end of the day, the Arrow is a short-range anti-aircraft system... if you don't have troops on the ground in that specific area carrying them, you're essentially defenseless...

I suppose the Arrow is fine for someone on a shoestring budget; if you haven't got any air cover of your own, you just fire an Arrow at anything that looks even remotely hostile... but if you actually possess your own air force, well, then you start worrying about accidentally taking down one of your own pilots, and frankly, what does some guy standing in the dirt know about who's actually up in the clouds?
It’s all interconnected, really—getting high-end aircraft naturally necessitates having top-tier air defense to match...

Larry Fox5 said:He was lying to you because there's like a thousand miles between Washington, D.C. and Turkey—no radar is covering that much ground. There is some high-tech radar in the US with a range of 3108 miles, but that thing is one-of-a-kind and costs more than the entire US federal budget combined. 😁

The truth is, they’re all looking at the exact same picture because their systems are completely interconnected.