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Participants John Gray84rustysurfer79Karen Booth5placidotter133bluemason3Kate Morales76darkowl72Benjamin King2casualstag5Daniel Morgan2Jesse Ortiz4Jeremy Barrett5redeagle75Jeremy Reyes4Sam Bailey52Robert Smith28James Mitchell3Noah Kern5copperstag95Frank Grant6Jessica Kern32Thomas Davis4gentlescout41Mark Hill90 …
gentlescout41 gentlescout41 Newcomer
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#61 ·
I’m looking to pick up a new printer, but honestly, I don't know the first thing about them... I don't need anything fancy, laser or inkjet, doesn't matter to me, I just need something where the ink doesn't run out after a week🙄
Budget is around $167. Not expecting much for that kind of money, I guess😁)
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#62 ·
Thomas Davis4 said:So what’s the move then? What should I actually be looking for given all that? Basically, I just need something for school—maybe printing up to 1,500 or 2,000 pages a month—and I need the ink refills to not break the bank. I'm not looking for some heavy-duty laser printer for a big corporation or anything; I just need a workhorse for college. You know, presentations, study guides, e-books, and all that junk.

If you go brand new, grab an HP with a print head that has plenty of nozzles, plus those continuous ink tanks and some reliable ink. Once you bundle it all together, you're looking at about $333. You can get the refurbished version for around $267, but the tradeoff is you have to go to the "supply closet" half as often. You won't be refilling tanks nearly as frequently as you would with the newer models.

On the other hand, if you're chasing pure price-to-performance, this option is basically unbeatable. In terms of cost, speed, ease of maintenance, and reliability—it's top tier. Just today, a guy came in needing some diplomas printed on thick 110lb cardstock. This little black beast chewed through it without breaking a sweat. If you don't believe me, check out the request below regarding heavy paper... and the ink didn't even bleed on the cardstock. Honestly, you just can't beat this printer.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#63 ·
gentlescout41 said:I'm looking for a new printer, but honestly, I don't know the first thing about them... I don't need anything fancy, laser or inkjet, doesn't matter, just something where the ink lasts longer than a week🙄
Budget is around $167. (not expecting miracles at that price point😁)

You aren't going to find anything brand new for that kind of money
gentlescout41 gentlescout41 Newcomer
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#64 ·
rustysurfer79 said:You aren't getting anything new at that price point...

So, if we're being realistic, what's actually worth buying for that kind of money?
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#65 ·
gentlescout41 said:So, what’s actually worth getting for that kind of cash?

You gotta start from the back end. Look at the cost per print first. This option is hands down the cheapest way to go. Of course, since I can't exactly download the manual directly into your brain, there’s no guarantee you'll get it right on the first try.

Check out this link for more info on the Jet 3420:

Investment Corp cca $100 Looking for a printer? Let me know what you need. $33 Looking for an ink refill kit.

After that...

Canon Pixma with a built-in continuous ink system.
Investment Corp $200

After that...
LaserJet Pro + Colibri bundle
Investment Corp $167

Then some new guy shows up.
I'm looking at an HP Expression Home paired with that Colibri package.
Investment Corp $133 +
$50 + $40 plus sales tax

After that.
Canon Pixma + Ink Refill Bundle

Investment Corp
$250 + $47

After that.

Should I go with the Canon Pixma or the HP DeskJet? Also looking for an ink refill kit.

Investment Corp $100 + $33

Then you get this Brother + Ink Refill pack, which supposedly prints a ton of pages. But honestly? The print quality is pretty garbage. Plus, there's no idea how long the stuff actually lasts before it goes bad.

Investment Corp
$233 + $23

It’s been a minute.

Look, every one of these options has its own set of pros and cons. I've laid them out on a scale from 1 to 10 just to make it easier to digest.
gentlescout41 gentlescout41 Newcomer
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#66 ·
rustysurfer79 said:You have to look at this from the back end. Specifically, the cost per print. This option is the cheapest. Of course, since downloading instructions directly into your brain isn't an option yet, there are no guarantees here...

Investment Corp roughly $100 for the printer + $33 for the ink refill kit.

After that comes

Canon Pixma with built-in CIIS
Investment $200

Then we have

LaserJet Pro + Colibri kit$167 Investment

Next up, something newer
Expression Home + Colibri kit$133 Investment
+ $50 + $40 + sales tax

Moving on

Canon Pixma + Ecco refill kit

Investment$250 $47 +

And then

Canon Pixma or HP DeskJet + refill kit
$100 investment $33 +

Eventually, you hit a Brother + Ink Refill kit for high volume. Poor print quality. Unknown lifespan...

Investment$233 $23 +

etc...

Basically, all these options have their own pros and cons, laid out on a scale of 1 to 10.

Thanks a lot. 🙂
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#67 ·
gentlescout41 said:Thanks so much. 🙂

No worries.

Just throw any other alternative out there on the table, and we'll give you a real, solid breakdown of how it stacks up against these options,
sound good?
Thomas Davis4 Thomas Davis4 Member
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#68 ·
rustysurfer79 said:If you go brand new, look for an HP with a print head featuring plenty of nozzles, continuous ink tanks, and reliable ink. Once you tally everything up, you're looking at about $333. You could get the refurbished version for roughly $267, but you’ll be visiting the "supply closet" half as often. You won't have to refill those tanks nearly as frequently compared to the newer models.

http://adriatix.com/A_PROIZVODI/A_pro...%2B%20CISS.htm
On the other hand, if you're chasing pure price-to-performance, this option simply has no rival. Whether we're talking cost, speed, ease of maintenance, or sheer reliability—it wins. Just today, some guy with a fancy degree dropped off some 110lb cardstock that needed extra printing. This little black devil chewed through it without breaking a sweat. If you don't believe me, just look further down at the request for heavy media... And the ink didn't even smudge on this stock. Quite frankly, I can't find a better printer.

Alright, I feel like I'm being misunderstood here, or perhaps...

Right now, we have a brand new HP printer, maybe a few months old. It's an Expression Home series. Print, copy, scan, whatever else. It has four heads, inkjet style. The problem is the ink disappears far too quickly because my printing volume is massive. It’s just not sustainable. What good would a Canon Pixma do me?

So, let's start from square one. Here is what we need:

A LASER PRINTER
Requirements:
- Budget-friendly (this isn't a corporate purchase; it's for my brother, who's a college student)
- Capable of handling up to 2,000 pages a month
- Black and white printing only
- Toner needs to be relatively cheap; I don't want to be buying a new cartridge every single month.

Basically, skip the inkjets entirely—the ink costs are prohibitive.

Just a laser printer for home use to print out scripts and presentations in black and white... Does that make sense?
Benjamin King2 Benjamin King2 Active Member
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#69 ·
gentlescout41 said:I’m looking for a new printer, but honestly, tech isn't really my thing... I don't need anything fancy—laser or inkjet, doesn't matter—just something where the ink doesn't run out faster than my patience after a week🙄
Budget is around $167. (not like I expect a miracle for that price)😁

http://www.bestbuy.com/printer-search
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#70 ·
Benjamin King2 said:http://www.bestbuy.com/printer-details

Look, if you try to pop the front cover on that printer with just one hand, you won't be able to do it. You’ll honestly feel like you’re about to snap the whole thing. You really need two hands for that. Give it 12 months, once the plasticizers in the casing start to dry out or if the room gets a little chilly, and that cover is just going to stay in your hand. I’m genuinely curious which of these printers will even have a working paper tray left after 24 months. And if the tray is that flimsy, you can bet everything else inside was designed with that same cheap logic.

Seriously, do this little stress test at a Best Buy before you pull out your wallet. That is, if you actually plan on using the thing after the warranty expires.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#71 ·
Thomas Davis4 said:http://www.verizon.com/details...00-promotion.aspx

http://www.brochures.canon-usa.com/...&languageid=26

Starter toner == 700 pages == 25g of powder
Standard toner == 1600 pages == 55g of powder == $133

The breakdown

Toner for an HP LaserJet Pro == 150g == $67 == roughly 3*55g == about 3* 1600 prints

HP LJ Pro + 3 * 150g = $333 + tax
Canon 6000 + 2*standard toner == 500 + $267 == 135g of powder

GDI vs PCL 5 & PCL 6 & PostScript

5,000 vs 10,000 monthly duty cycle
Mark Hill90 Mark Hill90 Newcomer
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#72 ·
Thomas Davis4 said:Just a basic laser printer for home use—printing out scripts and presentations in black and white... That should be fine, right?

Honestly, regardless of which new printer you settle on, just make sure it comes with a decent warranty. Because let’s be real—once one of those cheap printers gives up the ghost after twelve months (if it even manages to survive that long), you might as well just toss it straight into the trash.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#73 ·
Mark Hill90 said:Honestly, no matter which new printer you pick up, just make sure it comes with a solid warranty. If you buy one of those cheap models and it dies right after a year—assuming it even lasts that long—you might as well just toss it in the trash.

Also, you forgot to mention that the second you swap in a generic toner, your warranty is basically toast. Those companies bake the cost of the warranty right into the price of their official cartridges.

Got it?
Benjamin King2 Benjamin King2 Active Member
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#74 ·
rustysurfer79 said:If you try to pop the front cover on that printer using just one hand—good luck, you won't. You’ll honestly feel like the whole thing is about to snap right off. You need both hands for this one. Give it twelve months, once those plasticizers in the casing start to evaporate—or if you happen to live somewhere with a chilly winter—and that cover will just stay in your hand. I’m genuinely curious which of these printers will still have a functioning paper tray after twenty-four months. And if that tray is built like this, then you can bet everything else inside follows the exact same logic.

Basically, do yourself a favor and run this little stress test at a Best Buy before you ever open your wallet. That is, assuming you actually plan on using the thing after the warranty expires.

My old unit is over a year old now and hasn't creaked or jammed once. Since we're talking about cheap plastic anyway, let's be real: which home printer isn't basically a glorified trash can?🙂
gentlescout41 gentlescout41 Newcomer
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#75 ·
rustysurfer79 said:If you try to pop that front cover with just one hand, forget about it. You’ll honestly feel like it’s about to snap right off. You need two hands for this one. Once those plasticizers evaporate after about a year—or if the room gets even slightly chilly—that cover is just going to stay in your hand. I’m genuinely curious which of these printers will still have a functional paper tray left after 24 months. And if the tray is built that way, you can bet everything else inside was designed with the exact same philosophy...

So, definitely run this little stress test at the local Target or Best Buy before you pull out your wallet. That is, assuming you actually plan on using the thing once the warranty expires.

I know someone who’s been running a printer like this for over two years without a single hiccup... Personally, I don't care all that much about longevity; as long as it lasts a year, I'm happy. Does it make sense to just go with the ML-1675 instead?
Benjamin King2 Benjamin King2 Active Member
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#76 ·
It’s probably one of those older 16xx series models—the 1675 is actually a pretty recent release. If you're just looking at this for home use, it's definitely worth the investment, but it really depends—how much are we talking about here? Like, what’s your rough monthly page count?
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#77 ·
Benjamin King2 said:It’s probably some older 16xx model; the 1675 is actually pretty recent. If you just need it for home use, it's worth it. How much are we talking about printing? Like, monthly volume?

We actually just laid two ML 1510s and 1520s to rest a few days ago because of paper jams. One still had its starter toner left, while the other had already burned through three. These printers were only three years old. That's what I call "quality" from Samsung. Honestly, I bet the newer ones are way worse.
Thomas Davis4 Thomas Davis4 Member
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#78 ·
rustysurfer79 said:We actually just laid two ML 1510s and 1520s to rest a few days ago because of constant paper jams. One still had its starter toner left, while the other had already burned through three cartridges. These printers were only three years old. That’s what passes for Samsung quality these days. I suspect the newer models are even worse.

All my IT gear is either HP or Samsung. Honestly, I’ve never had any real trouble with them. I’ve owned two Samsung printers—one lasted three years, the other five. Both still run like they did on day one, though they don't make the ink for the older one anymore. Right now, I’m using an Epson SX, but I want to move to a laser printer. Aside from a mountain of guesswork and endless comparisons, I haven't received a single solid recommendation. Just vague warnings about "what might jam" or "what might break" on specific models. Good grief, it would be a miracle if any of them worked perfectly. But hey, that’s life.

Anyway, after scouring the web and hunting for advice on various forums to find something that actually fits my needs, I've narrowed it down to:
1) Epson M1400 Aculaser
2) Canon i-Sensys LBP 6000
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#79 ·
Thomas Davis4 said:All my tech gear is just HP & Samsung.. Honestly, I've never had any real issues with either.. I've owned two Samsung printers over the years.. One lasted 3 years, the other 5.. Both still run like they did on day one, except for the older one where they don't even make the ink anymore.. Right now I'm using an Epson SX, but I really want to jump to a laser.. Aside from a ton of guesswork and endless comparisons, I haven't gotten a single solid recommendation.. Just a bunch of vague warnings about "what might break" or "what might jam" with certain models.. Man, it'd be weird if a printer actually worked perfectly.. But whatever..

Anyway, after scouring the web and asking around on other forums to find what fits my needs, I landed on:
1) Epson M1400 Aculaser
2) Canon i-Sensys LBP 6000

Let me ask you something. What were the direct predecessors to those two printers? How long were they actually on the market? And why exactly were they pulled?

You basically have two answers to choose from:

1. Because they turned out to be junk, so the manufacturer replaced them with better, more reliable, and more powerful machines for the same price.

2. Or, the manufacturer couldn't cover production costs and maintain profit margins anymore, or they got squeezed by competition and had to offer something decent at a fair price and quality.

So, which of those two options is the actual truth?
Thomas Davis4 Thomas Davis4 Member
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#80 ·
rustysurfer79 said:Tell me something. What were the direct predecessors to those two printers you mentioned? How long were they actually on the market? And more importantly, why were they pulled?

You’re basically giving me two possible answers here:

1. They turned out to be junk, so the manufacturer replaced them with better, more reliable, more powerful machines at the exact same price point.

2. Or, the manufacturer could no longer cover production costs while maintaining a profit margin under intense competition, forcing them to offer an adequate product—both in terms of price and quality.

So, go ahead. Which of these two options matches reality?


Which two printers? What are we even talking about? All I said was that trashing Samsung as an incredibly bad printer manufacturer isn't fair. I've owned two models—actually, I still have them—and they work fine. I never jammed a tray, never had print head issues, never messed with toners or anything else.

No manufacturer is going to swap out a "bad" product for a "better" one for the same amount of money. That's fairy tale logic.

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