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ironpuma13 ironpuma13 Newcomer
3 messages
joined May 2015
#9981 ·
n i k s;54141479 said:ironpuma13 maybe this helps:
http://www.drugs.com/wellbutrin.html
if you don't mind me asking, what's actually going on with you? how are you feeling?

Thanks niks. It all started with insomnia and sleep issues. They put me on Lexapro, but man, I was just a zombie until late the next afternoon. So I ditched that because I was gaining weight and couldn't stop eating. Then they tried Prozac, but that just made me feel totally drugged out too. Neither one did squat...
My doctor gave me a script for Effexor, Venlafaxine, and Wellbutrin. I'm not even touching the Effexor stuff, but I gave the other one a shot.
That stuff just kept me way too wired to sleep. Tried mixing small doses of Prozac and it still didn't work... zero sleep. 😠

I'll see what happens next week. Switching doctors. There’s gotta be some kind of Limitless pill out there somewhere... 🎉
neontiger4 neontiger4 Member
22 messages
joined Dec 2011
#9982 ·
So, here’s that little bedtime wind-down routine I promised one of you guys earlier.
I basically mix some relaxation techniques I picked up from a yoga class with a bit of visualization from a book I read ages ago. Usually, I go for the "lite" version, but if I’m really struggling, I dive into the full routine. Since we’re here, I might as well write out the long one.

First, I lie on my back and get super comfy. You can try to imagine putting all your worries into a box and tucking them away safely—though personally, I don't do that, because then I just end up thinking about the worries themselves... instead, I just imagine a door opening and stepping right into this perfect, peaceful landscape I’ve dreamed up. You really have to let your imagination run wild here. Picture somewhere you actually love being, something that makes you feel genuinely excited. Like, you’re actually looking forward to lying down because you know you get to hang out in this mental paradise for a while. 🙂 You try to catch the sounds, the temperature, the scents of the place. Visualize the colors and everything. Then, in this perfect little spot, you settle onto your favorite lounge chair—could be a bed, a hammock, a cloud, an air mattress... honestly, whatever weirdly comfortable thing you want. Now comes the yoga part:
Slowly, part by part, you relax your body while breathing deeply—inhaling and exhaling, no rushing allowed. So, you breathe in, focus on your left toes, exhale, and let them go limp. Then move to the feet up to the knees, then the knees to the waist, then the stomach, lower back, upper back, hands, forearms, shoulders, neck, jaw, ears, forehead, eyes, eyebrows, and finally the top of your head. Just steady breathing, no rushing, just letting each part of you drift off. And then, hopefully, you drift right into sleep.

One big tip: you have to accept upfront that annoying thoughts *will* pop up while you’re trying to relax. Your brain is going to wander back to your stresses. The trick isn't fighting them; it's how you handle it when they show up. Just acknowledge the thought exists and then let it go immediately. Don't dwell on why it popped into your head—just release it. Imagine it’s a helium balloon drifting high into the sky, or maybe it just evaporates... whatever works. Then, gently bring your focus back to wherever you left off in the exercise. It gets easier to ignore the noise over time, though at first, it feels like a constant battle. Personally, I’ve designed my mental getaway to be so vivid and cozy that I actually look forward to bedtime.

Also, I remember reading some solid advice once: don't obsess over the idea that sleeping through the night without waking up is some mandatory, holy requirement. If you stress about not sleeping in one continuous stretch, you won't sleep at all. When I wake up in the middle of the night because my brain won't shut up, I just start the body relaxation process all over again. If that fails, I’ll turn on a dim lamp and pick up a book. That always does the trick, as long as it’s something light without a heavy plot. I actually really liked that bit in *What I Talk About When I Talk About Running* regarding the way Ernest Hemingway writes. I don't get mad at myself for waking up, and I don't wonder why it happened; I just accept it, especially during those rougher periods where sleep is harder to come by.

Anyway, that’s pretty much it. I should probably mention that this isn't a magic bullet for everyone, but it can be a helpful tool before you reach for sleeping pills, or even alongside them.

I just remembered one other "quick fix": try with every fiber of your being to stay awake. Lie there in the dark, turn off the lights, and tell yourself, "There is absolutely no way I am allowed to fall asleep right now. I must keep my eyes open at all costs." Try your absolute hardest to stay awake. The second your eyelids start drooping, force them open and think, "No, no, I cannot sleep..."
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
joined Feb 2010
#9983 ·
silentmarlin76 said:I'd say stick to 1 mg daily... the withdrawal usually hits hard around day four. Hang in there, hope you make it through okay!!

Honestly, all these meds make me feel absolutely miserable when I try to taper off... I get so mentally unstable, physically paralyzed, and I've actually had narcoleptic episodes twice now.

They bring people into the ward who are struggling like crazy trying to kick Normabir or Xanax. They end up treating them with phenobarbital just so they can survive the detox process.

Effexor... when I was off it, I remember posting a bunch of stuff here asking what was happening to me... anyway, I'm genuinely happy for you, truly.🙂

Some ADs—not all of them, mind you—definitely create dependency. Davor Moravek is one of the sources for that info... so yeah, either psychiatrists are feeding you lines or that one specific doctor you talked to was. Just curious, can you tell me which one told you that? Basically, you just have to get lucky with which AD you end up with.😉

I've seen quite a few psychiatrists by now, but I'm not about to drop names on a forum. Just like I wouldn't want them dropping mine.
I've been through the ringer with meds—tried Eglonyl, Seroxat, Cipralex, Fevarin, and Amyzol from the AD side, plus Zyprexa and Risperdal from the AP side. The only thing I actually got hooked on was Helex.
I really doubt it's just down to luck.
silentmarlin76 silentmarlin76 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2015
#9984 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:I've seen quite a few psychiatrists by now, but I'm not about to drop names on a forum. Just like I wouldn't want them dropping mine.
I've been through the ringer with meds—tried Eglonyl, Seroxat, Cipralex, Fevarin, and Amyzol from the AD side, plus Zyprexa and Risperdal from the AP side. The only thing I actually got hooked on was Helex.
I really doubt it's just down to luck.

Honestly, whether it’s "luck" or not doesn't even matter, because the fact remains that some of those antidepressants can be super addictive, so I just wanted to make sure nobody reading this gets the wrong idea... and hey, you aren't being a hypocrite here—that label was meant for the doctor, not you—so don't sweat the sources too much, there's plenty of news coverage out there on this kind of thing.😉

Just think about it, if I hadn't stepped in to correct that info, I would've basically thrown Moravec and his colleagues under the bus—people who are just trying their best to educate the public and help out however they can... if I had just let a false claim stand as "truth," do you really think I'd be considered a bad person or just someone acting like a know-it-all just for setting the record straight?
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
joined Feb 2010
#9985 ·
silentmarlin76 said:Honestly, whether it’s "luck" or not doesn't even matter, because the fact remains that some of those antidepressants can be super addictive, so I just wanted to make sure nobody reading this gets the wrong idea... and hey, you aren't being a hypocrite here—that label was meant for the doctor, not you—so don't sweat the sources too much, there's plenty of news coverage out there on this kind of thing.😉

Just think about it, if I hadn't stepped in to correct that info, I would've basically thrown Moravec and his colleagues under the bus—people who are just trying their best to educate the public and help out however they can... if I had just let a false claim stand as "truth," do you really think I'd be considered a bad person or just someone acting like a know-it-all just for setting the record straight?

Where did I even say they were miraculous? Don't try to bait me, kid. I am seriously over people like you. You can't get addicted to antidepressants—how you managed to pull that off, I have no clue and frankly, I don't care. You're being incredibly arrogant, and I'm done responding to your little provocations. 👋
silentmarlin76 silentmarlin76 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2015
#9986 ·
E: @Brandon Lopez6, look, I’m just laying out the facts here... if you're looking for a fight or trying to stir the pot, you definitely picked the wrong person to mess with. You're just throwing out stuff that isn't even verified or based on anything real, and honestly, I don't really have the patience or the energy to deal with all that drama, so just let it go, okay? Sending good vibes your way!
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
1.1K messages
joined Dec 2008
#9987 ·
ironpuma13 said:thanks Joe, reading your posts makes me wonder if you're secretly a psychiatrist or something... you pick up on every little detail. 😉

You've gotta be kidding me.🍿
It’s just years upon years of psychotherapy and meds I’ll probably have to take for the rest of my life because of this hereditary depression and anxiety disorder I was born with.🕺
Man, what a ride.😛
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
374 messages
joined Sep 2011
#9988 ·
If someone genuinely believes that antidepressants are addictive, then they simply shouldn't take them. It’s as simple as that. Regardless of whether that claim holds any medical weight or not, they should just deal with it. Even if an addiction were to exist, we aren't talking about the kind of dependency where people are desperately checking themselves into rehab centers to detox from hard drugs, valium, or Ativan.
I honestly don't understand the argument. If a person can navigate their mental health struggles without medication, then that is wonderful. But if they cannot, there is no obligation to suffer. Just consider the sheer number of people dealing with various types of physical agony. I agree that life is ideally lived without pills—any pills. For those who can manage without them, great. But try enduring the kind of physical pain that pushes you to the absolute brink and then refuse treatment, even when a doctor warns you that the medication might be tough on your stomach or your liver. In my experience, taking a single Advil does more damage to your stomach than an antidepressant ever could.
Anyway, I’m done rambling. My stance is this: if antidepressants aren't helping you, don't take them; but if they are helping and you feel guilty about needing them, then you'll just have to endure the struggle.

Best regards,
restlesstiger49 restlesstiger49 Regular
271 messages
joined Jul 2012
#9989 ·
Can antidepressants actually cause physical exhaustion? To rephrase that slightly—even when I’m getting a decent amount of sleep, I still feel completely wiped out and drained. My blood work came back totally normal, too.
Kevin Hayes83 Kevin Hayes83 Member
30 messages
joined May 2015
#9990 ·
neontiger4 said:So, here’s that little bedtime wind-down routine I promised one of you guys earlier.
I basically mix some relaxation techniques I picked up from a yoga class with a bit of visualization from a book I read ages ago. Usually, I go for the "lite" version, but if I’m really struggling, I dive into the full routine. Since we’re here, I might as well write out the long one.

First, I lie on my back and get super comfy. You can try to imagine putting all your worries into a box and tucking them away safely—though personally, I don't do that, because then I just end up thinking about the worries themselves... instead, I just imagine a door opening and stepping right into this perfect, peaceful landscape I’ve dreamed up. You really have to let your imagination run wild here. Picture somewhere you actually love being, something that makes you feel genuinely excited. Like, you’re actually looking forward to lying down because you know you get to hang out in this mental paradise for a while. 🙂 You try to catch the sounds, the temperature, the scents of the place. Visualize the colors and everything. Then, in this perfect little spot, you settle onto your favorite lounge chair—could be a bed, a hammock, a cloud, an air mattress... honestly, whatever weirdly comfortable thing you want. Now comes the yoga part:
Slowly, part by part, you relax your body while breathing deeply—inhaling and exhaling, no rushing allowed. So, you breathe in, focus on your left toes, exhale, and let them go limp. Then move to the feet up to the knees, then the knees to the waist, then the stomach, lower back, upper back, hands, forearms, shoulders, neck, jaw, ears, forehead, eyes, eyebrows, and finally the top of your head. Just steady breathing, no rushing, just letting each part of you drift off. And then, hopefully, you drift right into sleep.

One big tip: you have to accept upfront that annoying thoughts *will* pop up while you’re trying to relax. Your brain is going to wander back to your stresses. The trick isn't fighting them; it's how you handle it when they show up. Just acknowledge the thought exists and then let it go immediately. Don't dwell on why it popped into your head—just release it. Imagine it’s a helium balloon drifting high into the sky, or maybe it just evaporates... whatever works. Then, gently bring your focus back to wherever you left off in the exercise. It gets easier to ignore the noise over time, though at first, it feels like a constant battle. Personally, I’ve designed my mental getaway to be so vivid and cozy that I actually look forward to bedtime.

Also, I remember reading some solid advice once: don't obsess over the idea that sleeping through the night without waking up is some mandatory, holy requirement. If you stress about not sleeping in one continuous stretch, you won't sleep at all. When I wake up in the middle of the night because my brain won't shut up, I just start the body relaxation process all over again. If that fails, I’ll turn on a dim lamp and pick up a book. That always does the trick, as long as it’s something light without a heavy plot. I actually really liked that bit in *What I Talk About When I Talk About Running* regarding the way Ernest Hemingway writes. I don't get mad at myself for waking up, and I don't wonder why it happened; I just accept it, especially during those rougher periods where sleep is harder to come by.

Anyway, that’s pretty much it. I should probably mention that this isn't a magic bullet for everyone, but it can be a helpful tool before you reach for sleeping pills, or even alongside them.

I just remembered one other "quick fix": try with every fiber of your being to stay awake. Lie there in the dark, turn off the lights, and tell yourself, "There is absolutely no way I am allowed to fall asleep right now. I must keep my eyes open at all costs." Try your absolute hardest to stay awake. The second your eyelids start drooping, force them open and think, "No, no, I cannot sleep..."


Thanks for the post👍
silentmarlin76 silentmarlin76 Member
29 messages
joined Apr 2015
#9991 ·
FIRST, man, this is such a great post... I actually do some pretty similar stuff myself, and honestly, I think I’m gonna give your specific routine a shot right now, especially that part about using visualization 🙂

Usually, I just lie flat on my back, palms facing up toward the ceiling, and get into these breathing exercises... so, basically, you inhale through your nose: first you fill up your belly with air, then the lungs, and at the very peak, you just hold that breath for a second... then you exhale through your nose or mouth: you slowly let the air out of your lungs first, then the belly... then it goes belly, chest, and so on. It’s kind of like how you’d fill a water bottle with liquid and then pour it out... the whole point is to really breathe through the diaphragm

I also try to clear my head, but I do it by imagining this little tiny dot right in front of my closed eyes, and I focus everything on that spot whenever a random thought tries to creep in; that little dot acts like an anchor to pull me back into that meditative headspace... it leads into this total state of weightlessness... though most people probably just drift off to sleep by then, unless your actual goal is to meditate—in which case, you obviously aren't trying to pass out 🙂
Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
254 messages
joined Jul 2014
#9992 ·
Continued here. 🙂

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