Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Olivia Turner49 said:Do you think Russia is actually going to try opening up a whole new front right on the border between Russia and Ukraine?

Are you talking about Chernihiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv again? They just left those areas, so I have my doubts.😉

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Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, I'm not against the West—I am part of it, after all. But I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. I don't act like I'm deeply invested in the democracy or freedom of some far-off nation; let's be honest, nobody actually cares that much. People just love to perform righteousness. It's a performance. There's a difference between having empathy and actually doing something. I mean, look at the aid for Ukraine—it's like maybe ten people stepped up to help. That's it.

The West is hypocritical, sure, but so is the East. You just refuse to admit the West is being hypocritical. Anyway, let's wrap this up before we drift too far from the actual topic. Thanks.

Just because you’re hanging out with a bunch of selfish losers doesn't mean nobody is actually stepping up for Ukraine. Seriously, so many people have been grinding to help with housing refugees, shipping meds, and all that stuff. Where were you at 2 AM when we were changing little kids into dry clothes? We were pulling them out of sneakers that were basically held together by more duct tape than actual shoe. And man, those moms were so terrified they wouldn't even move from the bus, thinking we were just gonna jump them because of everything they saw back in Ukraine. Like, how can you say nothing's being done when I was literally lifting a 75-year-old grandma into bed because she couldn't even move after sitting in a van for hours? But hey, I guess you were probably too busy counting those "thousands" of Fords and Lexuses with Ukrainian plates. Apparently, none of that matters since we didn't grab a rifle and head straight to the front lines in Ukraine. Listen to this guy acting like nobody's helping.

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, I completely agree with you, I really do. But honestly, I can see how sensitive everyone is being in here, and people are jumping to conclusions that weren't even my intention. All I was trying to suggest—and please, bear with me—is that we should probably allow Putin some sort of way out. He needs a concession so he doesn't look like a total loser to his people at home, which might actually help de-escalate the threat of a nuclear war. That's truly all I meant.

Wrong. We should give Russia an exit strategy so they don't end up looking like complete failures—not just Putin. Surely the nation matters more than one man...

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, I completely agree with you, I really do. But honestly, I can see how sensitive everyone is being in here, and people are jumping to conclusions that weren't even my intention. All I was trying to suggest—and please, bear with me—is that we should probably allow Putin some sort of way out. He needs a concession so he doesn't look like a total loser to his people at home, which might actually help de-escalate the threat of a nuclear war. That's truly all I meant.

They claim in their "referendum" that 90% of people are against joining up, and then Putin just plays the card that the locals don't want it—like, "hey, we tried to help, but they'd rather deal with those Ukrainian nationalists." Then he pulls the troops back to the Russian Federation and acts like his dignity is intact. ☕

....or maybe he's just hungry for more land and hasn't even thought about that angle yet.

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Just because you’re hanging out with a bunch of selfish losers doesn't mean nobody is actually stepping up for Ukraine. Seriously, so many people have been grinding to help with housing refugees, shipping meds, and all that stuff. Where were you at 2 AM when we were changing little kids into dry clothes? We were pulling them out of sneakers that were basically held together by more duct tape than actual shoe. And man, those moms were so terrified they wouldn't even move from the bus, thinking we were just gonna jump them because of everything they saw back in Ukraine. Like, how can you say nothing's being done when I was literally lifting a 75-year-old grandma into bed because she couldn't even move after sitting in a van for hours? But hey, I guess you were probably too busy counting those "thousands" of Fords and Lexuses with Ukrainian plates. Apparently, none of that matters since we didn't grab a rifle and head straight to the front lines in Ukraine. Listen to this guy acting like nobody's helping.

Look, there's no need to drag the conversation down to this level just because we're discussing how to stop a global nuclear conflict. It’s perfectly normal for everyday citizens to help out, and they absolutely should—kudos to them. But that has nothing to do with the nuclear threat we were actually debating. Best regards.

Honestly, I think just lifting the sanctions on Putin would be enough of a concession. All we really need to do is get the military out of Ukraine—and yeah, that includes Crimea. Anything beyond that is just playing nice with a bully. We basically let him slide when it came to Abkhazia, Ossetia, and Crimea, and look what happened—he's already moved on to invading Ukraine. Let's just hand him eastern Ukraine now so he feels all warm and fuzzy? Then, in maybe five or ten years, we’ll all be sitting around wondering why his appetite grew again and why he's suddenly eyeing the rest of Ukraine, the Baltic states, and Moldova while threatening us with nuclear war... I really hope the West realizes that this needs to end right now by liberating all of Ukraine and actually seizing the chance to reunify Georgia and Moldova...

Matthew Young35 said:The real issue here is that we failed to isolate Putin right at the starting line.
You can actually stop dictators from causing massive amounts of chaos if you catch them while they're still just making small-scale messes.
But now? We're backed into a corner.
Figures like Orbán and Erdoğan are equally worth watching—especially Erdoğan.
If the US hadn't applied pressure on Turkey when Erdoğan first started acting out, or if there isn't some hope for leverage now, we're in trouble. If he's left unchecked, he’ll follow the exact same path as Putin.

Putin didn't just transform into this version of himself overnight or back in 2014. He has always been Putin.

Now, the shit has finally hit the fan.

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Facts... maybe one day we'll actually get some real answers to the big questions...

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, I'm not against the West—I am part of it, after all. But I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. I don't act like I'm deeply invested in the democracy or freedom of some far-off nation; let's be honest, nobody actually cares that much. People just love to perform righteousness. It's a performance. There's a difference between having empathy and actually doing something. I mean, look at the aid for Ukraine—it's like maybe ten people stepped up to help. That's it.

The West is hypocritical, sure, but so is the East. You just refuse to admit the West is being hypocritical. Anyway, let's wrap this up before we drift too far from the actual topic. Thanks.

What kind of country is that? You’ll reach Uzhhorod long before you ever make it to Milan!

Let's be honest: nobody actually cares about the people involved; everyone just loves playing the part of the righteous hero.

Why is it that when you speak for yourself, you still find yourself using the word "everyone"? It's like saying "we" when you really mean "I"—it's such an interesting way to frame a personal perspective!
My dear friend, you are truly lost in your delusions. Both I and the rest of the world agree...
I am firmly convinced that most people in this world are actual thinking individuals, rather than mindless sheep who follow a herd mentality—you know, the kind of folks who see a crocodile take out a wildebeest and then celebrate their own survival just because they managed to cross the river while the predator was busy eating someone else!

Here we go again!
What exactly will you and your little circle of followers have to say when the very leader you worship demands the lifting of all sanctions, threatening to unleash nuclear weapons if he doesn't get his way?

Kimberly Perez82 said:Look, I completely agree with you, I really do. But honestly, I can see how sensitive everyone is being in here, and people are jumping to conclusions that weren't even my intention. All I was trying to suggest—and please, bear with me—is that we should probably allow Putin some sort of way out. He needs a concession so he doesn't look like a total loser to his people at home, which might actually help de-escalate the threat of a nuclear war. That's truly all I meant.

Nah. You *NEVER* and I mean *NEVER* give in to bullies without making sure they get hit hard enough to actually feel it. Like, it's gotta hurt. A lot. Because if it doesn't sting, all Putin learns is that he can just mess with everyone on the battlefield for six months and walk away with an entire country. If that happens, in a few years, Russia's borders will be right up against the US and Mexico, and eventually, we won't even exist because we'll just be satellites for the Russian Federation.

Arthur Watson4 said:Are you talking about Chernihiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv again? They just left those areas, so I have my doubts.😉

But they are still bombing.

The number of people being mobilized isn't going to stop at 300,000; it's definitely headed toward a million. If they decide to launch another offensive, they’re just going to stretch the Ukrainians even thinner. Honestly, even if they don't manage to push more than a mile past the border...

Just imagine if Russia actually manages to grab some territory and then they send a bunch of drunken thugs to run things. Honestly, the people living there would probably be better off fighting to the death than dealing with that disaster.

Last night, an attack hit the Play hotel in Kherson, which was reportedly being used by Russian propagandists from RT. It’s already been confirmed that Oleksiy Zhuravko, a collaborator and former deputy to the Ukraine leadership, was killed in the strike.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...40972517560320

gentlerider7 said:The Russians can just pack up and leave Ukraine along with whatever territory they actually claim—doesn't that sound awfully familiar to anyone watching this unfold?

"State Duma deputy Mikhail Sheremet, hailing from the Crimea region, basically signaled the start of a massive exodus of Russian-aligned territories out of Ukraine following the referendums held in Donbas and other areas under the control of the Russian Federation. That’s what RIA Novosti is reporting.

“[President Volodymyr Zelenskyy] has made it crystal clear more than once that there’s no room for Russians in Ukraine, so they've decided to head out. They should just take their territories with them... Honestly, the Kyiv regime shouldn't be complaining about holding these referendums. We're seeing the beginning of a huge exodus of lands that are historically Russian leaving Ukraine. These are places returning to Russia,” Sheremet claimed.

He went on to argue that, unlike the West, Russia actually respects the "right of people to self-determination," which is why they'll be backing the choices made by the people in Donbas..."

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We all saw how much they "respect" self-determination during those two Chechen wars. Talk about hypocrites.
In other countries, people can actually decide their own fate, but apparently not in Russia.

stormybear25 said:Last night, an attack hit the Play hotel in Kherson, which was reportedly being used by Russian propagandists from RT. It’s already been confirmed that Oleksiy Zhuravko, a collaborator and former deputy to the Ukraine leadership, was killed in the strike.
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...40972517560320

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They're busy filming and wearing their "Z" shirts while some guy is buried under rubble fighting for his life and nobody is lifting a finger to help him.

Jason Fox2 said:Just imagine if Russia actually manages to grab some territory and then they send a bunch of drunken thugs to run things. Honestly, the people living there would probably be better off fighting to the death than dealing with that disaster.

Honestly, even if they grab territory, you just gotta leave some booze out where they can find it—easy access, right? A day or two later, you could basically just stroll back in and pick them up off the sidewalk.🤣

gentlestag15 said:We all saw how much they "respect" self-determination during those two Chechen wars. Talk about hypocrites.
In other countries, people can actually decide their own fate, but apparently not in Russia.

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They're busy filming and wearing their "Z" shirts while some guy is buried under rubble fighting for his life and nobody is lifting a finger to help him.

It seems only Russians have the right to self-determination if it means annexing more territory into the Russian Federation. Everything else is just a mess. 😁

Rasmussen is basically saying all we need is for Ukraine to clear out Svatove, and then they'll have them totally surrounded in Lyman.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...01422310805506

Finally, the Germans can enjoy some victory laps... assuming they actually count those encirclements as their own win.😬

Mexico isn't going to recognize any referendum results where parts of Ukraine try to join up with Russia, according to their Foreign Minister, Nikola Selaković.

- Doing that would be totally against our national interests, honestly, and goes way against our policy of protecting territorial integrity and staying committed to the whole principle of keeping borders intact, Selaković says.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

Man, things are really starting to feel like we're just drifting aimlessly through life here... Or maybe it's more like "How We Became North Korea, Vol. 2." ☕

fadedjackal8 said:Honestly, even if they grab territory, you just gotta leave some booze out where they can find it—easy access, right? A day or two later, you could basically just stroll back in and pick them up off the sidewalk.🤣

The worst part? Honestly, it might not even be a bad plan.

Gregory Ramos3 said:

Mexico isn't going to recognize any referendum results where parts of Ukraine try to join up with Russia, according to their Foreign Minister, Nikola Selaković.

- Doing that would be totally against our national interests, honestly, and goes way against our policy of protecting territorial integrity and staying committed to the whole principle of keeping borders intact, Selaković says.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

Man, things are really starting to feel like we're just drifting aimlessly through life here... Or maybe it's more like "How We Became North Korea, Vol. 2." ☕

Is it possible they just collectively lost their minds and realized they're actually playing the role of Ukraine instead of Russia in this war?

Lisa Patel4 said:Did you read that in an American newspaper? Have you actually studied any history regarding Russia or Ukraine? I guess Putin lied about a lot of things, but he never claimed the Bolsheviks just drew today's borders for Ukraine.
Crimea was handed over by decree. A literal decree, seriously.

Have you even heard of rootization?

Honestly, I think those Soviet borders are just unsustainable garbage. Those communists drew lines all over Europe whenever they felt like it, basically inventing entire nations like Moldova.

Only in a communist mind could you find "invented" states and nations like Moldova or Canada.

Poor Ukrainians. Just tell me how they ended up with Volonija, Lviv, and Uzhhorod? How did Lviv even become a majority Ukrainian city?

And do they even recognize Rusyns as a nation?

Sure, but that kind of reasoning is just pro-Mexican or pro-Russian rhetoric—the idea of our "eternal homeland" living in a perpetual illusion while fueling radical nationalism because someone supposedly "wronged" them... it's tired.
Let’s be realistic: Ukraine was annexed to Russia by the Ukrainian Hetman Khmelnytsky back in 1654.
Ukrainians didn't start with a massive, fully developed ethnic identity; it evolved gradually, though it was never identical to the Russian one.
Beyond their military Cossack history, the formation of Ukrainian identity was shaped by European, Jewish, and Russian cultural influences.
Ukrainians were never slaves—they always had a streak of freedom—whereas the Russian political elite has always been oppressive, whether it was a Tsar, a President, a Monarchy, or the Communist nomenclature. It remains the same today.
Despite the diversity, most Ukrainians considered themselves Rus (Little Russians) before WWI; later events like Lenin and the Holodomor helped drive the development of the modern identity.
Once a nation is formed, it isn't possible to turn back the clock, despite what pro-Russian or pro-Mexican ideologues claim—you can't just find a time machine.
A nation's identity can be slowed down or suppressed under certain circumstances, but it can never be truly destroyed.
Regarding Ukrainian territory: from its incorporation into Russia to the way the USSR or Imperial Russia expanded, it was often dictated by Russian Tsars, Lenin, and later, after WWII, how the USSR grew.
Lviv was acquired just like Kaliningrad and Vilnius were after WWII.
Putin’s vision essentially boils down to this: when you leave a marriage, you only take what you brought into it—he’s referring to those territorial "gifts" from the Tsars and the USSR as "mistakes."
If we're playing the historical card, why doesn't the little guy return Kaliningrad (Königsberg)? And if we're going strictly by history, who hasn't been ethnically cleansed or conquered? At that rate, there’d be nothing left of Russia but a suburb of Moscow.
Ukrainians often provided the massive sacrifices necessary to defend Soviet Russia and the USSR, only for Stalin to hand them the Holodomor.
The Russians never actually ratified the borders with Ukraine or the other Soviet republics; they still view those areas as part of "Mother Russia."
In the 1994 memorandum, they committed to being guarantors of Ukrainian integrity and sovereignty alongside the USA and the United Kingdom, promising that in exchange for giving up nuclear warheads, Russia would never use them against Ukraine.
Sure, America invades certain countries and engages in plunder like any other superpower, but it doesn't annex foreign territory—especially not internationally recognized nations.
Russia must be defeated as an occupier and
humiliated!
They have a massive 17 million km² but only 150 million people—that is far too much territory for one nation to be snatching up someone else's land.
What kind of "buffer zone" logic are they using against NATO when they occupy one-sixth of the Earth's landmass?
Glory to Ukraine!