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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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#1441 ·
analogbear5 said:Mirzijojev was looking to tighten his grip through some constitutional overhauls—basically trying to centralize everything, including stripping Karakalpakstan of its autonomy. Turns out, after people hit the streets to protest, he backed off.

The Uzbekistan military is basically on high alert right now.
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Protesters managed to disarm about ten members of the local security forces.
They're practically threatening them with a mob justice scenario.
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Looks like one protester might have been killed.
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Honestly, anything could still happen at this point.
Samuel Rodriguez52 Samuel Rodriguez52 Member
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#1442 ·
gentlestag15 said:The Uzbekistan military is basically on high alert right now.
View on twitter

Protesters managed to disarm about ten members of the local security forces.
They're practically threatening them with a mob justice scenario.
View on twitter

Looks like one protester might have been killed.
View on twitter

Honestly, anything could still happen at this point.

Putin has basically crushed anti-government protests in both Belarus and Kazakhstan, and since those two countries stay pretty close to Putin's regime—much like Uzbekistan and most other post-Soviet states—it'll be interesting to see how Russia reacts, especially since they've moved so much of their military and police strength over to the war in Ukraine.
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#1443 ·
wiredseal7 said:The question remains the same: what's actually in it for him?

Asking "what does Putin get out of this" only really carries weight if you're looking at it through the lens of a petty tyrant and his online cheerleaders.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#1444 ·
Honestly, this whole line of thinking—that the Russians are somehow invincible or "humane" just because they haven't finished conquering all of Europe yet—really gets under my skin. It’s just more Eastern propaganda.
Joshua Bishop3 Joshua Bishop3 Member
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#1445 ·
gentlerider7 said:It’s these people who genuinely believe gas prices are going to plummet to $3.25 just because the Ukrainians finally take down Putin.

It’s basically that old "you're either mine or you're nobody's" logic, right?

Exactly!

I seriously don't get the people out there trying to justify Russia and Putin during this invasion.

It is literally like someone telling their neighbors, "Hey, nobody is allowed to touch my girlfriend or I'll take it as an insult." Then the neighbor actually finds a guy, and suddenly this aggressor starts beating her every single day and threatening her new boyfriend with a gun.

And then you have these other neighbors stepping in to defend him, saying, "Well, he did warn us what would happen if anyone messed with his girl." I just cannot wrap my head around it—people supporting this pure aggression and making excuses because Putin said Ukraine isn't allowed in NATO, as if he's some kind of overlord who gets to decide their entire fate.
Melissa Ward Melissa Ward Member
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#1446 ·
feralhawk45 said:Honestly, this whole line of thinking—that the Russians are somehow invincible or "humane" just because they haven't finished conquering all of Europe yet—really gets under my skin. It’s just more Eastern propaganda.

It seems like only the Russians believe they’re unstoppable. I mean, look at them charging toward Kyiv with just 30,000 troops, thinking they’d wrap things up in three days.

Compare that to World War II, where it took 2.5 million people three whole weeks just to take Berlin (which isn't even that much bigger!).

Complete fools...
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
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#1447 ·
It’s way easier to claim Putin backed down just because Biden told him to rather than actually admitting he lost some pretty major battles. What a time to be alive!
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#1448 ·
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed this past Saturday that Ukraine tried to strike military sites on Belarusian soil just three days ago, though he insisted they intercepted every single projectile, according to the state news agency Belta.


Man, that Pancir system must be pretty legit if it actually managed to neutralize every single one of those projectiles ☕{{extra filler to match tone}}
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#1449 ·
mister N0 said:I really need you to, like, actually explain yourself instead of just throwing out empty clichés and nonsense.

Seriously, man, quit with the buzzwords and just get to the point.

Did you even bother reading the article? Or the comments?

It's all based on this analysis by Damir Pilica. He’s a colleague of the now-absent Jurisicke, and honestly, he was churning out pro-Russian pieces way before the invasion even kicked off.

Damir Pilica: Russia, Ukraine, and how this war ends

DAMIR PILICA: Is NATO playing games!?

Putin claimed he’d have Kyiv under control within two weeks. He went ahead and compared the Ukrainian military's attempt to reclaim Donetsk and Luhansk to the Nazi siege of Stalingrad. On top of that, Putin bragged about Russia being the world's premier nuclear power. Long story short: Putin is a fascist threatening Europe and the West with absolute carnage, right at a time when the world is marking the 100th anniversary of World War I and the 75th of World War II. If we find ourselves sliding into a Third World War soon, Vladimir Vladimirovich will be the one holding the smoking gun. That's why we've got to pull together and stand our ground against that "Russian bear."

That's basically the mainstream Western narrative regarding the crisis in Ukraine—a narrative that, unfortunately, has been swallowed whole by both the American media and American politics. I say "unfortunately" because the reality of the situation is just nothing like that.


Damir Pilica's Take: If NATO keeps turning down Russian demands—which, let's face it, they probably will—only Putin knows if his troops will start marching toward other countries. And if they do, we're looking at a scenario so grim it can't even be put into words...
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#1450 ·
A passage from Damir Pilica's article, where the man clearly longs for anti-war demonstrations:

Some argue that Americans remain silent because taking to the streets to protest for peace might be misconstrued as supporting Putin—a figure who has been so thoroughly demonized by Western media in recent years that he has effectively become the boogeyman of the Western civilian consciousness. (One could pinpoint the exact moment this media campaign began: February 10, 2007, when Putin delivered his speech in Munich, asserting that the era of US hegemony had passed as Moscow returned to center stage, while simultaneously signaling and explaining the crisis facing the international liberal-democratic order and criticizing NATO for breaking its promises regarding eastward expansion.)

https://radiogornjigrad.wordpress.co...-i-konci-rata/

The media has been aligned against the Russian president for quite some time now, primarily due to his February 2007 speech in Munich, where he argued that the world shouldn't be governed from a single "center of power," thereby becoming the first to publicly advocate for a multipolar world. Washington was clearly displeased by that rhetoric and reacted visibly. Shortly after, they instructed their journalists to paint Putin as nothing more than a "CIA killer" and an "autocratic despot."

http://pilenaopako.picigin.net/
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#1451 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed this past Saturday that Ukraine tried to strike military sites on Belarusian soil just three days ago, though he insisted they intercepted every single projectile, according to the state news agency Belta.


Man, that Pancir system must be pretty legit if it actually managed to neutralize every single one of those projectiles ☕{{extra filler to match tone}}

Did he actually drive himself to his position—or did they have to haul him there on a flatbed?
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#1452 ·
I can't tell if Alexander Lukashenko is just trying to act relevant again or what.
If anyone dares to mess with Belarus, they’ll be right there ready to push back. Real impressive.
Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#1453 ·
gentlestag15 said:The Uzbekistan military is basically on high alert right now.
View on twitter

Protesters managed to disarm about ten members of the local security forces.
They're practically threatening them with a mob justice scenario.
View on twitter

Looks like one protester might have been killed.
View on twitter

Honestly, anything could still happen at this point.

Things are bound to get absolutely wild over there, so we really need to find a way to stir up those "little greens" against the "big reds."😉
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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#1454 ·
Henry Sullivan4 said:Things are bound to get absolutely wild over there, so we really need to find a way to stir up those "little greens" against the "big reds."😉

I don't know about you guys, but watching the way everyone reacts to these massive geopolitical shifts feels like watching a slow-motion train wreck where nobody wants to admit the tracks are broken. It’s always the same pattern. People get caught up in the immediate chaos, the headlines, the frantic shouting matches on social media, and they completely miss the underlying mechanics of how power actually moves. It’s pretty predictable at this point. You see a major player make a move, and half the world panics while the other half acts like it’s business as usual, even when the rules of the game are being rewritten right in front of them. It’s less about the specific events and more about the inevitable momentum. Once that gear starts turning, there isn't much anyone can do to stop it—they can only try to figure out which side of the debris they'll be standing on when it finally settles. Just another day in the grand theater of global maneuvering, I guess.
I was just scrolling through my feed when I saw this, and honestly, it’s one of those things that makes you stop and stare for a second. It’s wild how much stuff is out there that feels like it belongs in a different era, yet here we are, staring right at it. There’s a certain kind of energy in these discussions that you just don't get anywhere else—that raw, unfiltered way people jump into the deep end without checking the water temperature first. It’s messy, sure, but it's real. Sometimes you just have to sit back, grab a coffee, and watch the chaos unfold from a distance. It really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?
The protesters actually managed to score some transport vehicles and AKs from the soldiers while they were busy beating people into the pavement.
We’re just sitting here waiting on those Russian peacekeepers to show up. 😁
Henry Sullivan4 Henry Sullivan4 Active Member
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#1455 ·
gentlestag15 said:I don't know about you guys, but watching the way everyone reacts to these massive geopolitical shifts feels like watching a slow-motion train wreck where nobody wants to admit the tracks are broken. It’s always the same pattern. People get caught up in the immediate chaos, the headlines, the frantic shouting matches on social media, and they completely miss the underlying mechanics of how power actually moves. It’s pretty predictable at this point. You see a major player make a move, and half the world panics while the other half acts like it’s business as usual, even when the rules of the game are being rewritten right in front of them. It’s less about the specific events and more about the inevitable momentum. Once that gear starts turning, there isn't much anyone can do to stop it—they can only try to figure out which side of the debris they'll be standing on when it finally settles. Just another day in the grand theater of global maneuvering, I guess.
I was just scrolling through my feed when I saw this, and honestly, it’s one of those things that makes you stop and stare for a second. It’s wild how much stuff is out there that feels like it belongs in a different era, yet here we are, staring right at it. There’s a certain kind of energy in these discussions that you just don't get anywhere else—that raw, unfiltered way people jump into the deep end without checking the water temperature first. It’s messy, sure, but it's real. Sometimes you just have to sit back, grab a coffee, and watch the chaos unfold from a distance. It really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?
The protesters actually managed to score some transport vehicles and AKs from the soldiers while they were busy beating people into the pavement.
We’re just sitting here waiting on those Russian peacekeepers to show up. 😁

Look, my friend, we’re all pretty environmentally conscious around here, and it’s incredibly clear to me that I stand firmly with the green movement and everything they represent.😉👍
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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#1456 ·
rowdytiger13 said:I can't tell if Alexander Lukashenko is just trying to act relevant again or what.
If anyone dares to mess with Belarus, they’ll be right there ready to push back. Real impressive.

Yeah, respond with what exactly? 🤣
Susan Collins3 Susan Collins3 Member
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#1457 ·
gentlestag15 said:I don't know about you guys, but watching the way everyone reacts to these massive geopolitical shifts feels like watching a slow-motion train wreck where nobody wants to admit the tracks are broken. It’s always the same pattern. People get caught up in the immediate chaos, the headlines, the frantic shouting matches on social media, and they completely miss the underlying mechanics of how power actually moves. It’s pretty predictable at this point. You see a major player make a move, and half the world panics while the other half acts like it’s business as usual, even when the rules of the game are being rewritten right in front of them. It’s less about the specific events and more about the inevitable momentum. Once that gear starts turning, there isn't much anyone can do to stop it—they can only try to figure out which side of the debris they'll be standing on when it finally settles. Just another day in the grand theater of global maneuvering, I guess.
I was just scrolling through my feed when I saw this, and honestly, it’s one of those things that makes you stop and stare for a second. It’s wild how much stuff is out there that feels like it belongs in a different era, yet here we are, staring right at it. There’s a certain kind of energy in these discussions that you just don't get anywhere else—that raw, unfiltered way people jump into the deep end without checking the water temperature first. It’s messy, sure, but it's real. Sometimes you just have to sit back, grab a coffee, and watch the chaos unfold from a distance. It really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?
The protesters actually managed to score some transport vehicles and AKs from the soldiers while they were busy beating people into the pavement.
We’re just sitting here waiting on those Russian peacekeepers to show up. 😁

I mean, you really have to look at what's going down in Uzbekistan. It's not like they're part of any Eurasian alliance or whatever. These protests are happening in this specific area—the Republic of Karakalpakstan—where there are maybe 2 million people, and most of them are either Uzbek or Karakalpak, like 33% and 32% I guess, but that tiny spot covers like 40% of the whole country. But if you check Wikipedia Karakalpak, there are only about 750,000 Karakalpak people out of a total population of 32,000,000. So, look, countries like Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine aren't exactly itching to be swallowed back up by a reborn Russian Empire (like USSR 2.0 or something). To me, this just looks like they're trying to grow a new Sao-style tumor inside the country just so they can keep a tighter grip on everything.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#1458 ·
Jeremy Peterson4 said:Yeah, respond with what exactly? 🤣

They can just point to whatever Russia pumps out of their territory and claim, "Moscow has nothing to do with it."
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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#1459 ·
feralhawk45 said:They can just point to whatever Russia pumps out of their territory and claim, "Moscow has nothing to do with it."

Then NATO will strike back in Belarus and we'll hear the same old excuse: "Don't look at us, this has nothing to do with Russia."😁
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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#1460 ·
Susan Collins3 said:I mean, you really have to look at what's going down in Uzbekistan. It's not like they're part of any Eurasian alliance or whatever. These protests are happening in this specific area—the Republic of Karakalpakstan—where there are maybe 2 million people, and most of them are either Uzbek or Karakalpak, like 33% and 32% I guess, but that tiny spot covers like 40% of the whole country. But if you check Wikipedia Karakalpak, there are only about 750,000 Karakalpak people out of a total population of 32,000,000. So, look, countries like Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine aren't exactly itching to be swallowed back up by a reborn Russian Empire (like USSR 2.0 or something). To me, this just looks like they're trying to grow a new Sao-style tumor inside the country just so they can keep a tighter grip on everything.

It isn't a full member of the Eurasian union, just an observer.
I highly doubt the Russians or Americans are pulling the strings here; the President of Uzbekistan basically cooked his own goose by stripping away that autonomy.

View on twitter
That was a nasty collision on the Crimean Bridge, all thanks to those smoke-filled disasters.

Zaharov, looking like she’s in some sort of erotic, drunken trance,
is busy bragging about how great the strawberry harvest was in Russia this year.
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Sergei Shoigu is leaning over a massive conference table, reporting to Vladimir Putin that they've occupied the entire Lugansk region.
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...00404558221313

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