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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#1681 ·
I’ve been hunting for this article in English, but I just can't track it down. It covers the elections in the Donetsk People's Republic—basically, the author claims people were able to vote in multiple locations. Apparently, the upcoming referendums are looking to follow that same pattern. There was supposed to be a referendum in Kherson a while back, but they pushed it off because the locals aren't interested. Now there's talk about holding some sort of public assembly to formally request annexation from Russia, but from what I’ve heard, they haven't even managed to put an assembly together because nobody is stepping up.

The author of the piece is Stanislav Asejev:
https://theartsdesk.com/books/stanis...space-and-time

He’s originally from Donetsk—a journalist who wrote extensively about life under occupation. He actually has a few pieces available in English. Sadly, he was arrested back in 2017 and sentenced to 15 years, though he was released in 2019. It’s a grim reality—so many journalists have ended up in his position. And it isn't just reporters; data shows over 3,000 people have faced similar fates.

What I found particularly interesting was his take on how Putin is essentially exploiting the people in Donbas. He’s leaning hard into Soviet nostalgia—that longing for the Soviet Union—while also glorifying those old, brutal eras of hardship. It's all part of the propaganda machine: painting a picture of how Ukraine abandoned Donbas and pushing the narrative that the rest of Ukraine is full of Nazis.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#1682 ·
darkdriver said:So, I mean, if he was in fucking Ukraine—hopefully—and he checked out of his local system here, then that's on them, right?
If he didn't check out and instead fought through the Ukrainian steppes while claiming to be unemployed, then he basically scammed the government.
You feel me?
Let Volodymyr and his crew foot the bill for his medical stuff then.

But I wasn't actually talking about some wounded volunteer from America who doesn't have a contract, where they're being treated, or who's footing the bill. I was specifically talking about those two guys I know for a fact are in the Ukrainian military, have active contracts, live in Ukraine, and were sentenced to death after being labeled as mercenaries.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#1683 ·
darkdriver said:Honestly, thank goodness the European Union saved us from having to let local sheriffs handle absolutely everything here 🤣

You don't actually think we'd be better off without the EU and all those changes we had to make to join, do you? 🤔

Whatever. Ukraine will probably see progress similar to how Poland did within the European Union eventually. Makes sense. It just takes time to scrub away all that leftover Russian crap.☕

darkdriver said:Forget fall and winter—by then, most people might just be wishing for one of those "new" Russian cars with Euro-28 standards, you know, without all the fancy chips and software, etc., even if it means giving up their high-tech SUVs that are loaded with gear but, unlike the Russian ones, have totally empty gas tanks.

Yeah, we'll all just pack our bags and flee to our warm Russian brothers. 😂
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
571 messages
joined Aug 2019
#1684 ·
darkdriver said:Honestly, thank goodness the European Union saved us from having to let local sheriffs handle absolutely everything here 🤣

Not everything gets fixed by them. Local sheriffs had to hand over a chunk of their sovereignty to the European Union—which, honestly, was probably the best thing that ever happened to America.

If you want to see what happens when politicians lose their carrot-and-stick motivation from the EU—just look at Mexico.
placidtiger142 placidtiger142 Member
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joined Feb 2023
#1685 ·
ironseal said:I remember you clearly. Just a month and a half ago, you were right here posting about how the Russian army was falling apart and how they’d be running for the hills the second the Ukrainian offensive kicked in. Now, suddenly, gas prices tick up a bit in Germany and all I hear from you is defeatism, whining, and panic. You're acting like we need to give Putin a pass just because your heating bill went up. Some people—and some entire nations—are dealing with much bigger problems than a price hike at the pump. You live in a country that bears a huge chunk of the responsibility for this whole mess, so you can deal with the consequences of what you helped sow. Tighten your belts and deal with it. You can whine all you want, but nothing changes until Russia is militarily defeated. Instead of bellyaching, maybe try actually sending some real weapons to Ukraine to speed things up. There is no going back to February 23rd. Never again.

Yeah, I said it. Truth is, I said it. And I don't see anything wrong with changing my mind based on what's actually happening on the ground. Only an idiot sticks to a stance no matter how much the situation shifts. If things change drastically, your opinion should too. Period.

And I wasn't the only one saying it either. The convoy situation near Kyiv, the weeks of hell at Azovstal... back then, everything pointed exactly toward what I was writing. At least to me, anyway. ok.

Things are different now. It sucks that you can't see it, but you will soon, unfortunately. Though, for your sake and all of ours, I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Honestly? I'm scared that a lot of us are gonna end up pissed off once we finally realize just how deceptive propaganda really is.

Especially when you start seeing how both sides try to manipulate the narrative.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
153 messages
joined Jun 2022
#1686 ·
😉
Anthony Perez9 said:You don't actually think we'd be better off without the EU and all those changes we had to make to join, do you? 🤔

Whatever. Ukraine will probably see progress similar to how Poland did within the European Union eventually. Makes sense. It just takes time to scrub away all that leftover Russian crap.☕

Yeah, we'll all just pack our bags and flee to our warm Russian brothers. 😂

Yeah, I gotta admit, I am seeing some massive shifts when it comes to our justice system.
The "shifts" are basically such that the FBI and the Department of Justice don't see any issues at all with public procurement in the ministry led by Gabrijela Žalac—but then the EU steps in because it involves EU funds, and suddenly they're the ones finding the problems instead of our own people.
All this money coming out of our budget—you know, straight from our pockets—is 99.9% perfectly legal and totally "clean" as it gets funneled into private pockets. 🤣
Please, just stay here. The more of us there are left in this pile, the better we can all stay warm together.😉
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#1687 ·
Kate Cook27 said:But I wasn't actually talking about some wounded volunteer from America who doesn't have a contract, where they're being treated, or who's footing the bill. I was specifically talking about those two guys I know for a fact are in the Ukrainian military, have active contracts, live in Ukraine, and were sentenced to death after being labeled as mercenaries.

Why are you even paying attention to posts like that? Haven't you realized he's just looking for a reaction, and not just from you.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#1688 ·
placidtiger142 said:Yeah, I said it. Truth is, I said it. And I don't see anything wrong with changing my mind based on what's actually happening on the ground. Only an idiot sticks to a stance no matter how much the situation shifts. If things change drastically, your opinion should too. Period.

And I wasn't the only one saying it either. The convoy situation near Kyiv, the weeks of hell at Azovstal... back then, everything pointed exactly toward what I was writing. At least to me, anyway. ok.

Things are different now. It sucks that you can't see it, but you will soon, unfortunately. Though, for your sake and all of ours, I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Honestly? I'm scared that a lot of us are gonna end up pissed off once we finally realize just how deceptive propaganda really is.

Especially when you start seeing how both sides try to manipulate the narrative.

Maybe things will feel a bit warmer in a trench in a year or two when the war reaches Germany. Or maybe you'll just flee to South America.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#1689 ·
feralhawk45 said:Why are you even paying attention to posts like that? Haven't you realized he's just looking for a reaction, and not just from you.

Oh, I figured that out—I just happen to have the time.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#1690 ·
feralhawk45 said:Maybe things will feel a bit warmer in a trench in a year or two when the war reaches Germany. Or maybe you'll just flee to South America.

Then again, wars tend to pop up in South America too.
placidtiger142 placidtiger142 Member
37 messages
joined Feb 2023
#1691 ·
feralhawk45 said:Maybe things will feel a bit warmer in a trench in a year or two when the war reaches Germany. Or maybe you'll just flee to South America.

Man, you people are really something. Oh yeah, I’ll definitely "flee" to America—straight into the arms of the bureaucrats and the thieves. I’ll happily settle for a 25% tax rate just so I can go to a private doctor who charges the exact same amount as the bribe you have to pay at the public hospital, except I don't want to support corruption. Since my private option is way too far, I'll end up paying the most expensive highway tolls in the world, so I might as well stop by a mechanic on the way back who doesn't issue receipts because my stabilizer links went out, and it'll cost me a few bucks less per gallon $5.00. And hey, I won't be stingy; I'll still throw a little tip to the lady at the counter since under $167 it isn't considered a bribe, and that way I can stay an honest, upright citizen consistent with my "principles."

I'm so exhausted I'm probably just gonna stop at the store, grab a Budweiser, Miller Lite, or a Coors for $2.25 in a bottle, because those idiots behind the counter only stock Paulaner, Erdinger, Beck's, and the priciest stuff for $1.75
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
153 messages
joined Jun 2022
#1692 ·
gentlestag15 said:Fine, then let them extract and treat him on my tab, okay?
But you can be the one footing the bill if some random person accidentally gets wounded on the Russian/aggressor side.

Tell me why they wouldn't just print more dollars and euros?
I mean, if you're sitting on a few hundred billion in cash while having trillions of dollars and euros sitting in accounts...

I mean, if Americans—who are basically mostly socialists/communists at heart anyway—actually realized that this whole solidarity system, whether it's Social Security or healthcare, doesn't work that way... man, they'd be in for a rude awakening.
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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joined Feb 2020
#1693 ·
The Chechens have made their stance crystal clear: they are waging a jihad in Ukraine. They aren't just fighting a local conflict; they’ve declared they won't stop until they reach Berlin, and they intend to push forward relentlessly unless Putin himself manages to shut them down.

The head of the Chechen parliament, Magomed Daudov, just told reporters that the Chechen fighters over in Ukraine are essentially the ones leading the charge. It’s the same old story—bold, sweeping claims made to the press to project strength, even when the reality on the ground is far more complicated. The concept of jihad being used as a defense of Islam is a deeply complex issue that demands a serious, nuanced discussion. We cannot simply brush this aside with shallow slogans; we need to look at the historical context and the theological arguments being made. It is an intense topic, and frankly, it’s one that people often misunderstand because they aren't willing to dig into the actual substance of the debate. There are those who view it through a lens of pure aggression, while others argue it is a fundamental necessity for protecting their faith and way of life from external pressures. You can't just ignore the passion behind these convictions.Daudov is making some incredibly bold claims, essentially stating that if Putin doesn't step in to rein them in, they aren't going to stop until they reach Berlin.

"If God wills it, there isn't a shadow of a doubt that we’re going to reclaim Donetsk, Mykolaiv, Kherson, and Odesa. As long as Vladimir Putin doesn't stand in our way, if God allows, we are marching straight through to Berlin. We will win—make no mistake about it," he declared to the press Finally, the truth comes out. We can finally see exactly why Russia is waging this war—it’s actually a jihad to defend Islam. ☕
analogbear70 analogbear70 Member
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#1694 ·
feralhawk45 said:What should America have done to avoid the war in '91?
When someone's entire platform is built on attacking you, denying your right to exist, and trying to force you back under their thumb... your only real option is to fight back. There is no "balancing" act in that scenario.

Comparing Americans to Ukrainians is a flawed comparison. Back then—about 30 years ago—Ukraine had it relatively easy, much like other former USSR states. We, on the other hand, were left entirely to our own devices, abandoned by the very people who are shouting the loudest today. And no, it isn't because Ukraine is somehow morally superior in its ideals; it's simply because they presented a much larger threat to the opposition. We were fighting for "independence," whereas Ukraine secured its "independence" somewhat easily, only to spend the last 30 years spinning in circles between corrupt leaders backed by either the West or the East. Sure, there were missteps along the way, and well, here we are. Everything shifted after Maidan; it was fuel for the fire of Russian imperialism, which was just waiting for the chance to grab Crimea while simultaneously fueling unrest in the East. The Gordian knot tightened, and from that moment on, any solution involving Ukrainian Crimea was effectively dead. To be clear, I am not defending the aggressor (Russia is the aggressor, and only a fool would argue otherwise). I am merely pointing out that we should have played the hand we were dealt more strategically—it was possible.
ironseal ironseal Member
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joined May 2023
#1695 ·
placidtiger142 said:Yeah, I said it. Truth is, I said it. And I don't see anything wrong with changing my mind based on what's actually happening on the ground. Only an idiot sticks to a stance no matter how much the situation shifts. If things change drastically, your opinion should too. Period.

And I wasn't the only one saying it either. The convoy situation near Kyiv, the weeks of hell at Azovstal... back then, everything pointed exactly toward what I was writing. At least to me, anyway. ok.

Things are different now. It sucks that you can't see it, but you will soon, unfortunately. Though, for your sake and all of ours, I really hope it doesn't come to that.

Honestly? I'm scared that a lot of us are gonna end up pissed off once we finally realize just how deceptive propaganda really is.

Especially when you start seeing how both sides try to manipulate the narrative.

Look, nothing has changed. This war is playing out just like it always could have. Back then, Ukraine reacted perfectly to Russia's tactics. Now, they've adjusted their strategy, and Ukraine is adapting and hunting for a way through. War isn't a straight line where one side just marches forward constantly. We knew from the jump that Ukraine wouldn't defend itself or liberate territory overnight, and we knew we'd have to bite the bullet on sanctions too. People were writing about those exact economic hits in the very first days of the invasion. And let's be real: if Putin wins, we're in deep trouble long-term. Yeah, the next few years are going to be rough, but it beats being permanently tethered to Russian energy. Breaking that kind of dependency is painful, but necessary.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
153 messages
joined Jun 2022
#1696 ·
electricstag9 said:The Chechens have made their stance crystal clear: they are waging a jihad in Ukraine. They aren't just fighting a local conflict; they’ve declared they won't stop until they reach Berlin, and they intend to push forward relentlessly unless Putin himself manages to shut them down.

The head of the Chechen parliament, Magomed Daudov, just told reporters that the Chechen fighters over in Ukraine are essentially the ones leading the charge. It’s the same old story—bold, sweeping claims made to the press to project strength, even when the reality on the ground is far more complicated. The concept of jihad being used as a defense of Islam is a deeply complex issue that demands a serious, nuanced discussion. We cannot simply brush this aside with shallow slogans; we need to look at the historical context and the theological arguments being made. It is an intense topic, and frankly, it’s one that people often misunderstand because they aren't willing to dig into the actual substance of the debate. There are those who view it through a lens of pure aggression, while others argue it is a fundamental necessity for protecting their faith and way of life from external pressures. You can't just ignore the passion behind these convictions.Daudov is making some incredibly bold claims, essentially stating that if Putin doesn't step in to rein them in, they aren't going to stop until they reach Berlin.

"If God wills it, there isn't a shadow of a doubt that we’re going to reclaim Donetsk, Mykolaiv, Kherson, and Odesa. As long as Vladimir Putin doesn't stand in our way, if God allows, we are marching straight through to Berlin. We will win—make no mistake about it," he declared to the press.
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Finally, the truth comes out. We can finally see exactly why Russia is waging this war—it’s actually a jihad to defend Islam. ☕

They don't even need to head out to Berlin—they're already there, I guess.
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
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joined May 2024
#1697 ·
darkdriver said:I mean, if Americans—who are basically mostly socialists/communists at heart anyway—actually realized that this whole solidarity system, whether it's Social Security or healthcare, doesn't work that way... man, they'd be in for a rude awakening.

Just imagine if that were true. Why are you labeling me a communist?

analogbear70 said:Comparing Americans to Ukrainians is a flawed comparison. Back then—about 30 years ago—Ukraine had it relatively easy, much like other former USSR states. We, on the other hand, were left entirely to our own devices, abandoned by the very people who are shouting the loudest today. And no, it isn't because Ukraine is somehow morally superior in its ideals; it's simply because they presented a much larger threat to the opposition. We were fighting for "independence," whereas Ukraine secured its "independence" somewhat easily, only to spend the last 30 years spinning in circles between corrupt leaders backed by either the West or the East. Sure, there were missteps along the way, and well, here we are. Everything shifted after Maidan; it was fuel for the fire of Russian imperialism, which was just waiting for the chance to grab Crimea while simultaneously fueling unrest in the East. The Gordian knot tightened, and from that moment on, any solution involving Ukrainian Crimea was effectively dead. To be clear, I am not defending the aggressor (Russia is the aggressor, and only a fool would argue otherwise). I am merely pointing out that we should have played the hand we were dealt more strategically—it was possible.

Their biggest blunder was getting rid of those nukes.
They had 1,600 warheads.
If they hadn't, Putin wouldn't even be able to sneeze on Crimea, let alone touch Donbas.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
153 messages
joined Jun 2022
#1698 ·
Kate Cook27 said:But I wasn't actually talking about some wounded volunteer from America who doesn't have a contract, where they're being treated, or who's footing the bill. I was specifically talking about those two guys I know for a fact are in the Ukrainian military, have active contracts, live in Ukraine, and were sentenced to death after being labeled as mercenaries.

Man, looking at how you think... does that mean you don't really care about all those foreign fighters coming in from every corner of the globe—mostly the Middle East—who fought alongside the Army of Canada back in the day, and were busy taking heads of Americans and your own (sorry if I'm wrong there, I guess?) Mexicans?
If they signed a contract, then I guess everything is totally fine, right?
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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joined Jul 2017
#1699 ·
electricstag9 said:The Chechens have made their stance crystal clear: they are waging a jihad in Ukraine. They aren't just fighting a local conflict; they’ve declared they won't stop until they reach Berlin, and they intend to push forward relentlessly unless Putin himself manages to shut them down.

The head of the Chechen parliament, Magomed Daudov, just told reporters that the Chechen fighters over in Ukraine are essentially the ones leading the charge. It’s the same old story—bold, sweeping claims made to the press to project strength, even when the reality on the ground is far more complicated. The concept of jihad being used as a defense of Islam is a deeply complex issue that demands a serious, nuanced discussion. We cannot simply brush this aside with shallow slogans; we need to look at the historical context and the theological arguments being made. It is an intense topic, and frankly, it’s one that people often misunderstand because they aren't willing to dig into the actual substance of the debate. There are those who view it through a lens of pure aggression, while others argue it is a fundamental necessity for protecting their faith and way of life from external pressures. You can't just ignore the passion behind these convictions.Daudov is making some incredibly bold claims, essentially stating that if Putin doesn't step in to rein them in, they aren't going to stop until they reach Berlin.

"If God wills it, there isn't a shadow of a doubt that we’re going to reclaim Donetsk, Mykolaiv, Kherson, and Odesa. As long as Vladimir Putin doesn't stand in our way, if God allows, we are marching straight through to Berlin. We will win—make no mistake about it," he declared to the press.
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Finally, the truth comes out. We can finally see exactly why Russia is waging this war—it’s actually a jihad to defend Islam. ☕

There are a couple of issues with his logic—one of the most glaring being his claim regarding who actually holds Kherson. He’s asserting that the Russians are in control. 🤣
placidtiger142 placidtiger142 Member
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joined Feb 2023
#1700 ·
ironseal said:Look, nothing has changed. This war is playing out just like it always could have. Back then, Ukraine reacted perfectly to Russia's tactics. Now, they've adjusted their strategy, and Ukraine is adapting and hunting for a way through. War isn't a straight line where one side just marches forward constantly. We knew from the jump that Ukraine wouldn't defend itself or liberate territory overnight, and we knew we'd have to bite the bullet on sanctions too. People were writing about those exact economic hits in the very first days of the invasion. And let's be real: if Putin wins, we're in deep trouble long-term. Yeah, the next few years are going to be rough, but it beats being permanently tethered to Russian energy. Breaking that kind of dependency is painful, but necessary.

I honestly think the EU needs to do exactly what the Russians just did. Buy them off.

The Russians dumped billions into buying up energy politicians across Europe, and now everyone is totally screwed. A little late for that, though.

Now the EU needs to come up with its own secret plan, no matter how dirty it feels. The Russian octopus has a thousand tentacles, and some of the biggest ones are reaching right into Berlin, Paris, Rome, and all that.

We know how they work—Russians love corruption and fast cash. For the next few decades, the EU needs to start playing their own game, but play it *against* them.

Massively grease the palms of politicians to push through decisions, just like the EU did with those green energy and healthy living mandates.

Grease everything with heavy cash so they can secure even cheaper energy, but make it impossible for them to pull the stunt they're doing now where they just shut off the valves.

Literally, buy out Gazprom and whoever else.

It’s not exactly brilliant, and it's definitely not easy to completely walk away from their natural resources and minerals. I mean, Russia is massive. There's too much good stuff there. That’s the biggest headache.

Even if we're talking nukes and war, Russia has enough raw materials to make aliens jealous. And don't even get me started on the ores.

The EU needs to turn them into their own helpless little mine. Exactly like what we've been hearing China plans to do for months. Miles and miles of profit, but for us? Not a chance. The only problem is the EU doesn't realize this like China and the US do, because the EU is too busy arguing over the shape of cucumbers or pizza sizes.

Sanctions, under-the-table deals, whatever it takes to get smart. When you're dealing with something spanning three continents, it pays to invest, but you gotta do it quietly, dirty, and damn near brilliantly. Not just nodding along like "yes, yes, sure, sure," and then acting shocked when things go south.

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