Sanctions on Russia

wiredseal7 said:The Americans are sweating over how to move Ukrainian grain.

With the bridge near Zatoka trashed and the maritime blockade of Odessa still holding firm—especially after that failed offensive on Snake Island—things are messy. Now they’re entertaining this idea of hauling it by rail through Belarus to reach the port of Klaipeda. The catch? They might lift sanctions on Belarusian potash fertilizer to make the deal work.

Honestly, the Americans are kind of a joke. They always act like they can just wipe the slate clean and pretend everything is fine the moment they extend an olive branch... How convenient, right? And apparently, they need the fertilizer just as much as the grain. 🙂

Can I ask a stupid question here: why not just ship the grain toward Poland? Maybe they don't want to tie up the rail lines needed for moving weapons, and returning empty freight cars would be too much of a hassle? Guess they have to pick their priorities.

There is exactly one single source mentioning all this—some Indian news agency reporting on another Indian agency, which is quoting Sputnik, which is somehow citing a Wall Street Journal article that I can't find anywhere.

According to this source, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres is looking for ways to facilitate Ukrainian grain exports via rail through Belarus.

According to the report, Guterres and US officials were Exploring specific possible routes for Ukrainian grain exports - including north by rail via Belarus to The Lithuanian port of Klaipeda, the report added.

But you certainly know how to spin a parable out of thin air.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:It seems like everyone is currently scrambling to burn through their rubles just to grab whatever scraps of Western goods are left sitting on the store shelves. I guess you see prices for things like Apple laptops dropping almost every single day now, though I suppose there's really no guarantee or warranty to speak of anymore.

Once those remaining stocks finally run dry, I imagine we’ll see the ruble take a massive tumble.

The ruble already tanked down to 57; honestly, it’s holding up much better than it did back in February.
There was all this noise about how Russia would go bankrupt by mid-April, but the reality is their revenues this year are higher than ever. Sure, sanctions hurt, but you have to ask: who actually got hit harder?
Meanwhile, over here, anyone not living off their parents' dime can see the reality—flour jumped from $6 to $3.00, oil went from $12 to $18, and gas prices are all over the place. That’s even with government intervention; without it, things would be much worse. My apologies if my math is slightly off. Inflation in the Baltic states is hitting nearly 20%.

Those of us who have been watching this long know we saw a similar pattern eight years ago. The initial shock rattled the Russians, but long-term, it actually served them. They bolstered their financial sector, stimulated domestic industry, and flipped from being net importers to one of the biggest agricultural exporters out there.

The bottom line is that in a crisis, two things matter: food and energy. We only have food, and even that depends on energy. Right now, Americans and Russians are just sitting back eating popcorn because they have both.
A textbook example: we banned fertilizer imports, yet the US specifically carved out exemptions for them in the sanctions.
It brings me back to 2014 when the US was pulling our strings (Joe Biden boasted about how he forced us to implement sanctions), while simultaneously sanctioning things that didn't even affect them. The result? Trade between the US and Russia actually increased that year. Talk about a spectacle.

steelfox98 said:The ruble already tanked down to 57; honestly, it’s holding up much better than it did back in February.
There was all this noise about how Russia would go bankrupt by mid-April, but the reality is their revenues this year are higher than ever. Sure, sanctions hurt, but you have to ask: who actually got hit harder?
Meanwhile, over here, anyone not living off their parents' dime can see the reality—flour jumped from $6 to $3.00, oil went from $12 to $18, and gas prices are all over the place. That’s even with government intervention; without it, things would be much worse. My apologies if my math is slightly off. Inflation in the Baltic states is hitting nearly 20%.

Those of us who have been watching this long know we saw a similar pattern eight years ago. The initial shock rattled the Russians, but long-term, it actually served them. They bolstered their financial sector, stimulated domestic industry, and flipped from being net importers to one of the biggest agricultural exporters out there.

The bottom line is that in a crisis, two things matter: food and energy. We only have food, and even that depends on energy. Right now, Americans and Russians are just sitting back eating popcorn because they have both.
A textbook example: we banned fertilizer imports, yet the US specifically carved out exemptions for them in the sanctions.
It brings me back to 2014 when the US was pulling our strings (Joe Biden boasted about how he forced us to implement sanctions), while simultaneously sanctioning things that didn't even affect them. The result? Trade between the US and Russia actually increased that year. Talk about a spectacle.

I mean, what's the point of importing synthetic fertilizers when we have companies like Petrokemija, which at one point was actually the second largest exporter in the entire US🤔

I suppose if we didn't have our own domestic production, then sure, maybe it would make sense, but why on earth would we import something that we produce ourselves in such massive quantities that we even export it? It feels like we'd just be lining the pockets of middlemen and speculators, while everyone else ends up losing out.

steelfox98 said:The ruble already tanked down to 57; honestly, it’s holding up much better than it did back in February.
There was all this noise about how Russia would go bankrupt by mid-April, but the reality is their revenues this year are higher than ever. Sure, sanctions hurt, but you have to ask: who actually got hit harder?
Meanwhile, over here, anyone not living off their parents' dime can see the reality—flour jumped from $6 to $3.00, oil went from $12 to $18, and gas prices are all over the place. That’s even with government intervention; without it, things would be much worse. My apologies if my math is slightly off. Inflation in the Baltic states is hitting nearly 20%.

Those of us who have been watching this long know we saw a similar pattern eight years ago. The initial shock rattled the Russians, but long-term, it actually served them. They bolstered their financial sector, stimulated domestic industry, and flipped from being net importers to one of the biggest agricultural exporters out there.

The bottom line is that in a crisis, two things matter: food and energy. We only have food, and even that depends on energy. Right now, Americans and Russians are just sitting back eating popcorn because they have both.
A textbook example: we banned fertilizer imports, yet the US specifically carved out exemptions for them in the sanctions.
It brings me back to 2014 when the US was pulling our strings (Joe Biden boasted about how he forced us to implement sanctions), while simultaneously sanctioning things that didn't even affect them. The result? Trade between the US and Russia actually increased that year. Talk about a spectacle.

It looks better only because capital controls have been implemented; major corporations have essentially been ordered to convert 80% of their foreign currency reserves into Rubles.

Furthermore, imports into Russia have cratered, rendering any actual demand for Euros or Dollars virtually non-existent.

There was all this grand speculation about how Russia would go bankrupt by April 15th, yet the reality is that their revenues this year are higher than ever before. Of course, sanctions are causing them harm, but isn't the question really about who has actually suffered more?

This is just your standard pro-Russian trolling mantra, when in fact it is painfully obvious that Russians have lost 30% of their GDP from 2014 until now, while the GDP in the European Union has grown.

By the end of this year, Russians will be even wealthier despite having a GDP that is 10-15% lower.

During that same period here in America, everyone except those still living off their parents can see that the price of flour jumped from $6 to $3.00, oil went from $12 to $18, and gas prices are spiraling out of control. This is happening despite government interventions; without them, prices would be even higher. I apologize if my figures are slightly off. Inflation in the Baltic states is nearing 20%.

Inflation in Russia was at 10% before the war began, and their key interest rate is currently sitting at 17%. Does anyone know what the rate is in the Baltic states?

Back in December, Musk was already introducing moratoriums on the prices of basic groceries, and even then, bread prices rose by over 10%. I have addressed this matter numerous times on the Russia subforum.

Those who have followed this closely know that a similar situation occurred eight years ago. The initial shock rattled the Russians, but it ultimately served them in the long run because they strengthened their financial sector, stimulated domestic industry, and transformed themselves from net importers into some of the largest agricultural exporters.

As I stated above, the impact was so severe that their GDP plummeted from $2.2 trillion down to $1.6 trillion.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:I mean, what's the point of importing synthetic fertilizers when we have companies like Petrokemija, which at one point was actually the second largest exporter in the entire US🤔

I suppose if we didn't have our own domestic production, then sure, maybe it would make sense, but why on earth would we import something that we produce ourselves in such massive quantities that we even export it? It feels like we'd just be lining the pockets of middlemen and speculators, while everyone else ends up losing out.

The thing is, synthetic fertilizers rely heavily on natural gas. So, Dow Chemical can't really function without massive amounts of gas. At the end of the day, the real question is whether it's actually more cost-effective to just buy the finished fertilizer from Russia or manufacture it ourselves using Russian gas.

steelfox98 said:The ruble already tanked down to 57; honestly, it’s holding up much better than it did back in February.
There was all this noise about how Russia would go bankrupt by mid-April, but the reality is their revenues this year are higher than ever. Sure, sanctions hurt, but you have to ask: who actually got hit harder?
Meanwhile, over here, anyone not living off their parents' dime can see the reality—flour jumped from $6 to $3.00, oil went from $12 to $18, and gas prices are all over the place. That’s even with government intervention; without it, things would be much worse. My apologies if my math is slightly off. Inflation in the Baltic states is hitting nearly 20%.

Those of us who have been watching this long know we saw a similar pattern eight years ago. The initial shock rattled the Russians, but long-term, it actually served them. They bolstered their financial sector, stimulated domestic industry, and flipped from being net importers to one of the biggest agricultural exporters out there.

The bottom line is that in a crisis, two things matter: food and energy. We only have food, and even that depends on energy. Right now, Americans and Russians are just sitting back eating popcorn because they have both.
A textbook example: we banned fertilizer imports, yet the US specifically carved out exemptions for them in the sanctions.
It brings me back to 2014 when the US was pulling our strings (Joe Biden boasted about how he forced us to implement sanctions), while simultaneously sanctioning things that didn't even affect them. The result? Trade between the US and Russia actually increased that year. Talk about a spectacle.

If it weren't for the European Union sanctions regarding food, there'd be massive market disruptions, and prices would spike due to low supply... For instance, Germany is facing oil shortages, most of which comes from Ukraine.
It's not a lack of flour because of sanctions, it's because the Ukrainian port is blocked by Russians.

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Everything in the US got more expensive before the new year, and there's no sign of relief or shortages ending.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that two years of COVID-19 messed up the market... people lost their minds, then a war starts... let's just hope it doesn't spread like a wildfire.

Anthony Hill5 said:I certainly didn't expect you to condemn the Russian blockade of wheat exports, which is effectively starving millions of people in Africa and the Middle East just to serve their own strategic interests.

I mean, sure, things could be organized—if you're talking about New Orleans—but it would have to be on Russia's terms. That requires actual goodwill and concessions from both sides, something the West isn't even willing to whisper about. All we hear is talk about how Americans can sink the Russian fleet with Amer Harpoons or whatever else.

It's not even like that Ukrainian grain is the only thing keeping the lights on; Russia and Europe are looking at record harvests this year anyway. Russia is exporting more wheat than last year, and China has massive stockpiles they can move whenever.

Wait, didn't Russia ban its own wheat exports?

dustyowl29 said:Wait, didn't Russia ban its own wheat exports?

Maybe they’re just shipping it exclusively to their buddies?

analogbear5 said:There is exactly one single source mentioning all this—some Indian news agency reporting on another Indian agency, which is quoting Sputnik, which is somehow citing a Wall Street Journal article that I can't find anywhere.

According to this source, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres is looking for ways to facilitate Ukrainian grain exports via rail through Belarus.

According to the report, Guterres and US officials were Exploring specific possible routes for Ukrainian grain exports - including north by rail via Belarus to The Lithuanian port of Klaipeda, the report added.

But you certainly know how to spin a parable out of thin air.

My source isn't any better—we'll just have to wait and see if anything else pops up. Plus, Sputnik won't even load.

wiredseal7 said:I mean, sure, things could be organized—if you're talking about New Orleans—but it would have to be on Russia's terms. That requires actual goodwill and concessions from both sides, something the West isn't even willing to whisper about. All we hear is talk about how Americans can sink the Russian fleet with Amer Harpoons or whatever else.

It's not even like that Ukrainian grain is the only thing keeping the lights on; Russia and Europe are looking at record harvests this year anyway. Russia is exporting more wheat than last year, and China has massive stockpiles they can move whenever.

Once again, I fail to see any condemnation regarding the Russian weaponization of food supplies, a tactic designed to incite famine in the poorest nations on Earth just to satisfy their own political and economic agendas. 🙂

Anthony Hill5 said:Once again, I fail to see any condemnation regarding the Russian weaponization of food supplies, a tactic designed to incite famine in the poorest nations on Earth just to satisfy their own political and economic agendas. 🙂

So, where's this famine actually happening?

Don't sweat it—Russia and China will step in with wheat wherever it's needed, much to the horror of the US and Ursula.

wiredseal7 said:So, where's this famine actually happening?

Don't sweat it—Russia and China will step in with wheat wherever it's needed, much to the horror of the US and Ursula.

Truly, nowhere to be found.

NAIROBI: As drought persists for a fifth consecutive year, more than 23 million people across seven nations in Africa are being pushed toward the brink of severe hunger and absolute destitution, according to a statement released Tuesday by the international aid agency Oxfam. Is it not a staggering indictment of our global response that such a prolonged environmental crisis can leave tens of millions teetering on the edge of catastrophe?

With a massive $9.5 million appeal now underway, the organization has made it clear that this crisis is being driven to even more desperate levels by skyrocketing food costs and relentless conflict. The nations bearing the heaviest brunt of this catastrophe are Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda.

Is anyone actually paying attention to the sheer scale of the catastrophe unfolding right now? According to reports from Oxfam, people across seven different nations are teetering on the edge of absolute starvation and crushing poverty. It’s a staggering reality that most of us seem content to ignore while we go about our daily lives. The situation is being driven by the fact that before Russia invaded the country, Ukraine was one of the primary providers of several staple crops, but the war and blockades of Ukrainian port cities have halted global supply chains for these food products. Can we truly grasp the implications of this disruption? We are looking at a scenario where around 25 million tons of various staple grains are currently sitting in storage units in large port cities such as New Orleans—except here, they are trapped due to the ongoing Russian blockade in the Black Sea. If you have any heart at all for the rest of the world, regardless of how you feel about Ukraine, can you not see that this isn't just a regional conflict? This is a global humanitarian crisis. When the flow of essential food supplies is choked off by military aggression, the ripples are felt by the most vulnerable populations in places like Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda. How much longer can the international community pretend that these disruptions don't impact the stability of the entire globe?

So, can we not also include those nations that are utterly dependent on Ukrainian wheat?

Don't be so naive; Russia and China will step in to provide wheat wherever it is needed, much to the absolute horror of the USA and Ursula.

So, you've chosen to condemn the Russian hunger games and then had the sheer audacity to cynically conclude that the Russians are somehow humanitarians who will step in to feed the starving? 👍

dustyowl29 said:The thing is, synthetic fertilizers rely heavily on natural gas. So, Dow Chemical can't really function without massive amounts of gas. At the end of the day, the real question is whether it's actually more cost-effective to just buy the finished fertilizer from Russia or manufacture it ourselves using Russian gas.

Honestly, what would actually work is if the whole planet decided to "get real" for a second—moving toward smaller profit margins and organic methods. Just a collective normalization. If you can make organic fertilizer at home, industry could theoretically do the same, though the trade-off is lower profits and having to actually employ more people.

In this day and age, everyone would be thrilled if they didn't have to deal with payroll, taxes, or anything else besides stacking profits—even though most of them already have way more than they could ever spend.

The wealthy became hungrier than the poor a long time ago.

Anthony Hill5 said:Truly, nowhere to be found.

NAIROBI: As drought persists for a fifth consecutive year, more than 23 million people across seven nations in Africa are being pushed toward the brink of severe hunger and absolute destitution, according to a statement released Tuesday by the international aid agency Oxfam. Is it not a staggering indictment of our global response that such a prolonged environmental crisis can leave tens of millions teetering on the edge of catastrophe?

With a massive $9.5 million appeal now underway, the organization has made it clear that this crisis is being driven to even more desperate levels by skyrocketing food costs and relentless conflict. The nations bearing the heaviest brunt of this catastrophe are Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda.

Is anyone actually paying attention to the sheer scale of the catastrophe unfolding right now? According to reports from Oxfam, people across seven different nations are teetering on the edge of absolute starvation and crushing poverty. It’s a staggering reality that most of us seem content to ignore while we go about our daily lives. The situation is being driven by the fact that before Russia invaded the country, Ukraine was one of the primary providers of several staple crops, but the war and blockades of Ukrainian port cities have halted global supply chains for these food products. Can we truly grasp the implications of this disruption? We are looking at a scenario where around 25 million tons of various staple grains are currently sitting in storage units in large port cities such as New Orleans—except here, they are trapped due to the ongoing Russian blockade in the Black Sea. If you have any heart at all for the rest of the world, regardless of how you feel about Ukraine, can you not see that this isn't just a regional conflict? This is a global humanitarian crisis. When the flow of essential food supplies is choked off by military aggression, the ripples are felt by the most vulnerable populations in places like Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda. How much longer can the international community pretend that these disruptions don't impact the stability of the entire globe?

So, can we not also include those nations that are utterly dependent on Ukrainian wheat?

Don't be so naive; Russia and China will step in to provide wheat wherever it is needed, much to the absolute horror of the USA and Ursula.

So, you've chosen to condemn the Russian hunger games and then had the sheer audacity to cynically conclude that the Russians are somehow humanitarians who will step in to feed the starving? 👍

This has been dragging on for ages—it wasn't caused by this specific crisis.

To be more precise: is there actually a global grain shortage? The UN says no—they claim it might not even happen until 2023.
https://fortune.com/2022/05/13/world...raine-exports/

And with a decent harvest expected, we might not even see a shortage even without those exports.

Honestly, it feels like they’re just talking up the grain situation so Ukraine can pad its coffers—you know, so the West doesn't have to shell out as much cash to keep them afloat.

So you've decided to condemn Russia's "hunger games" and cynically concluded that the Russians are actually the humanitarians who will feed the hungry.👍

As you can see, there's plenty of food in stock for this year.☕
If things run dry later, whoever has the supplies can step in.

Anthony Hill5 said:Truly, nowhere to be found.

NAIROBI: As drought persists for a fifth consecutive year, more than 23 million people across seven nations in Africa are being pushed toward the brink of severe hunger and absolute destitution, according to a statement released Tuesday by the international aid agency Oxfam. Is it not a staggering indictment of our global response that such a prolonged environmental crisis can leave tens of millions teetering on the edge of catastrophe?

With a massive $9.5 million appeal now underway, the organization has made it clear that this crisis is being driven to even more desperate levels by skyrocketing food costs and relentless conflict. The nations bearing the heaviest brunt of this catastrophe are Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda.

Is anyone actually paying attention to the sheer scale of the catastrophe unfolding right now? According to reports from Oxfam, people across seven different nations are teetering on the edge of absolute starvation and crushing poverty. It’s a staggering reality that most of us seem content to ignore while we go about our daily lives. The situation is being driven by the fact that before Russia invaded the country, Ukraine was one of the primary providers of several staple crops, but the war and blockades of Ukrainian port cities have halted global supply chains for these food products. Can we truly grasp the implications of this disruption? We are looking at a scenario where around 25 million tons of various staple grains are currently sitting in storage units in large port cities such as New Orleans—except here, they are trapped due to the ongoing Russian blockade in the Black Sea. If you have any heart at all for the rest of the world, regardless of how you feel about Ukraine, can you not see that this isn't just a regional conflict? This is a global humanitarian crisis. When the flow of essential food supplies is choked off by military aggression, the ripples are felt by the most vulnerable populations in places like Kenya, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Uganda. How much longer can the international community pretend that these disruptions don't impact the stability of the entire globe?

So, can we not also include those nations that are utterly dependent on Ukrainian wheat?

Don't be so naive; Russia and China will step in to provide wheat wherever it is needed, much to the absolute horror of the USA and Ursula.

So, you've chosen to condemn the Russian hunger games and then had the sheer audacity to cynically conclude that the Russians are somehow humanitarians who will step in to feed the starving? 👍

😁

You’re expecting way too much from them... honestly, screw the Russian regime elites and the lapdogs supporting them—they couldn't care less about some famine or people halfway across the world.
The thing is, they don't give a damn about those people, and frankly, they don't even care about their own people. If a million of them died in this madness in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin and his crew would sleep like babies... we're talking about totally twisted individuals with completely broken values here. The whole point for the Russians is to maintain the regime, and the point of the regime is to make a tiny percentage insanely rich while everyone else lives below the poverty line. You really think people who treat their own countrymen like that are going to have any empathy for some random strangers somewhere else?🤣

wiredseal7 said:So, where's this famine actually happening?

Don't sweat it—Russia and China will step in with wheat wherever it's needed, much to the horror of the US and Ursula.

Your worldview is basically just some Hollywood superhero flick you've been binge-watching: there’s the hero, there’s the villain, our guys are winning, and they’d be totally crushing it if they weren't so "disciplined" with their superpowers.

So, let me get this straight—the Russians are going to heroically rush in to feed a starving world that's hungry specifically because of the Russian blockade?

How noble. Truly.

Meanwhile, Ursula is probably screaming in her secret lair, plotting ways to lure Putin into a pool full of laser-armed sharks, because clearly, keeping people hungry is right up her alley.

So, it turns out Gazprom didn't actually move that gas from Slovakia after all. Apparently, Gazprombank is going to handle the conversion just like the Muscovite ordered. 🤣

wiredseal7 said:This has been dragging on for ages—it wasn't caused by this specific crisis.

To be more precise: is there actually a global grain shortage? The UN says no—they claim it might not even happen until 2023.
https://fortune.com/2022/05/13/world...raine-exports/

And with a decent harvest expected, we might not even see a shortage even without those exports.

Honestly, it feels like they’re just talking up the grain situation so Ukraine can pad its coffers—you know, so the West doesn't have to shell out as much cash to keep them afloat.

So you've decided to condemn Russia's "hunger games" and cynically concluded that the Russians are actually the humanitarians who will feed the hungry.👍

As you can see, there's plenty of food in stock for this year.☕
If things run dry later, whoever has the supplies can step in.

I see you've done your reading and checked out the article.

Quote : Before Russia invaded The country , Ukraine was One of The primary providers of several staple crops to world markets, including corn, wheat, maize, and barley. Agricultural products were Ukraine’s primary source of export revenue and accounted for nearly 10% of the country’s GDP.

but The War and blockades of Ukrainian port cities have halted Global supply chains for Thes food products. And the UN’s hunger and food security organization is warning that a food crisis beckons if that remains the case.

“In 2023, you will have a food shortage problem,” David Beasley, executive director of the UN’s World Food Programme, said at a conference on Thursday.

Around 25 million tons of various staple grains ara currently sitting in storage units in large port cities such as Odesa, waiting to be shipped to international markets, but they are unable to leave Ukraine because of an ongoing Russian blockade in the Black Sea

“if you have Any Heart AT All for The rest of The World , regardless of How you Feel about Ukraine, you need to open up those ports," he told CNN in statements directed at Russian President Vladimir Putin.

An indefinite blockade of Ukrainian ports would affect every country in the world, but some are more in need of food imports than others, and more at risk of a catastrophic food shortage.

So, according to this, because of the Russian blockade of Ukrainian ports, people will start starving in 2023—essentially in just six months.

Not only have you once again failed to condemn the Russian blockade and the weaponization of food, but you are also spinning this narrative that the West is driving this story just to avoid funding Ukraine. It is the exact same West that just donated over $7 billion in humanitarian aid to the people of Syria yesterday, while Russians are busy selling stolen Ukrainian grain to that very same Syria.

🤮

https://eurasianet.org/central-asia-...-sugar-exports

So, get this: Russia is playing the big-shot humanitarian card by blocking sugar exports even from their own allies within the Eurasian Union. They're basically just looking out for themselves to make sure they don't run into shortages caused by all those sanctions. Pretty selfish, right?

https://eurasianet.org/perspectives-...h-begging-bowl

And then, once the food shortages actually start hitting, they’ll come running to Washington, D.C., begging for help.

Honestly, you don't even need a real enemy when your "ally" is Russia; that's exactly how they "manage" to keep these countries stuck in their sphere of influence.

We need to crank up those sanctions even more.