Sanctions on Russia

electricsurfer47 said:I’ve got an idea for this "great Humanitarian"... why doesn't he just stop the War and pull his troops out?? That’s the whole reason the sanctions exist in the first place. They didn't happen because he wants to sell fertilizer.

But the real question remains: is there actually any document that could provide Russia with those kinds of guarantees, and more importantly, who would be responsible for drafting such an agreement and which parties would ultimately sign off on it?

The War will only conclude once military operations reach their natural end and negotiations finally get underway; if it weren't for the continuous support and assistance provided by the USA to Ukraine, this conflict likely would have been settled within the very first week.

hollowdriver13 said:So, Russia is basically asking the UN🤣 to get the EU to back off on those sanctions against them. Their "peace offering"? They’re supposedly willing to hand over 300,000 tons of fertilizer to developing nations to help ease the global food crisis—even though there aren't even any sanctions on fertilizer to begin with. Just a move to soften the blow, I guess.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacifi...states/2686720

Call Putin a humanitarian if you want, but clearly, those sanctions just aren't doing much.

Nancy Gomez26 said:This is purely for domestic consumption—an attempt to paint a picture where "the whole world is against them." They know perfectly well that those sanctions aren't going anywhere. Instead, they’re building a classic straw man argument: claiming that a "cruel West" is blocking them from donating fertilizer to developing countries, thereby intentionally triggering global famine. It’s thin. Thinner than thin. But it beats doing nothing; you have to stir the pot if you can't win the fight. This wouldn't even pass muster in an elementary school classroom, but this particular propaganda machine requires some semblance of a "logical" explanation to function. If you broadcast the same lie long enough while choking off all other information channels, eventually, people start believing it.

As far as anyone knows, the ports remain completely blocked, so if there is an intention to donate fertilizer, it might be better if Russia simply provides it themselves.

It’s much like the grain situation—that whole narrative about providing for the poor and the hungry—how can we ignore it? It was noted that the global grain trade is essentially a monopoly held by four secretive American families, known by the acronym ABCD, who, interestingly enough, haven't pulled their operations out of Russia at all, but instead continue to conduct business there quite normally.

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could oppose providing aid to those suffering from poverty and hunger. It seems fundamentally counterintuitive. One has to wonder if this resistance stems from the broader agenda often associated with the US and Gates—the idea that the world is becoming too crowded. If that is indeed the underlying motivation, then everything becomes clear: any attempt by Russia to perform a humanitarian gesture is immediately met with hostility. This recent offer is truly a terrible thing to see dismissed.🍿

Jeremy Turner9 said:As far as anyone knows, the ports remain completely blocked, so if there is an intention to donate fertilizer, it might be better if Russia simply provides it themselves.

It’s much like the grain situation—that whole narrative about providing for the poor and the hungry—how can we ignore it? It was noted that the global grain trade is essentially a monopoly held by four secretive American families, known by the acronym ABCD, who, interestingly enough, haven't pulled their operations out of Russia at all, but instead continue to conduct business there quite normally.

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could oppose providing aid to those suffering from poverty and hunger. It seems fundamentally counterintuitive. One has to wonder if this resistance stems from the broader agenda often associated with the US and Gates—the idea that the world is becoming too crowded. If that is indeed the underlying motivation, then everything becomes clear: any attempt by Russia to perform a humanitarian gesture is immediately met with hostility. This recent offer is truly a terrible thing to see dismissed.🍿

So, the ports are blocked for Russia? Oh, really?
And which navy exactly is blocking the Russian ports?
Do you even have a clue what maritime blockade actually means under international law when one country does it to another?
People will write just about anything these days, lol🙏🙏

And besides, who's stopping him from donating? Go ahead, let him donate. It's Putin who's making this "donation" conditional on lifting sanctions. ☕

And just to reiterate, FOR THE LAST TIME, there are no sanctions from either the EU or the USA on synthetic fertilizers from Russia; they chose to stop exporting them themselves.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/fil...t_20220714.pdf

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegatio...oducts_en?s=65

Jeremy Turner9 said:But the real question remains: is there actually any document that could provide Russia with those kinds of guarantees, and more importantly, who would be responsible for drafting such an agreement and which parties would ultimately sign off on it?

The War will only conclude once military operations reach their natural end and negotiations finally get underway; if it weren't for the continuous support and assistance provided by the USA to Ukraine, this conflict likely would have been settled within the very first week.

Oh, come on, finding people to sit down and sign a bunch of paperwork is always possible; we've always been able to find someone to do it...

And honestly, any guarantee they offer would probably be just as rock-solid as what Ukraine got under the Budapest Agreement. ☕

Jeremy Turner9 said:But the real question remains: is there actually any document that could provide Russia with those kinds of guarantees, and more importantly, who would be responsible for drafting such an agreement and which parties would ultimately sign off on it?

The War will only conclude once military operations reach their natural end and negotiations finally get underway; if it weren't for the continuous support and assistance provided by the USA to Ukraine, this conflict likely would have been settled within the very first week.

Don't worry too much about that. If they were looking for full guarantees and signed paperwork, they'd get it, but unfortunately, that’s just not what they want right now.

The War will end once the military operations wrap up and negotiations begin. Honestly, if Ukraine didn't have the support of the USA, this whole thing would have been over in the first week...

Haha, yeah, it certainly felt like it was going to be over in three days. 🎉

But it’s clearly not finished yet. It would be much harder for Ukraine without USA support. Much like how Americans would fight and eventually win on their own, it would just take way longer. With direct help from the USA and EU, things move a lot faster. Sorry you feel that way.👍

Nancy Gomez26 said:This is purely for domestic consumption—an attempt to paint a picture where "the whole world is against them." They know perfectly well that those sanctions aren't going anywhere. Instead, they’re building a classic straw man argument: claiming that a "cruel West" is blocking them from donating fertilizer to developing countries, thereby intentionally triggering global famine. It’s thin. Thinner than thin. But it beats doing nothing; you have to stir the pot if you can't win the fight. This wouldn't even pass muster in an elementary school classroom, but this particular propaganda machine requires some semblance of a "logical" explanation to function. If you broadcast the same lie long enough while choking off all other information channels, eventually, people start believing it.

I'd say it’s more like a diplomatic offensive—or at least an attempt at one—aimed squarely at developing nations. Maybe they're eyeing something at the UN? You can bet the Russians are wondering why their farmers aren't getting free fertilizer.

Anyway, regarding the blockade of those Russian ports:
- Blocking ports is a textbook act of war—something you can only pull off through actual force or the threat of it.
- Ukraine doesn't even have a navy.

Jeremy Turner9 said:As far as anyone knows, the ports remain completely blocked, so if there is an intention to donate fertilizer, it might be better if Russia simply provides it themselves.

It’s much like the grain situation—that whole narrative about providing for the poor and the hungry—how can we ignore it? It was noted that the global grain trade is essentially a monopoly held by four secretive American families, known by the acronym ABCD, who, interestingly enough, haven't pulled their operations out of Russia at all, but instead continue to conduct business there quite normally.

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could oppose providing aid to those suffering from poverty and hunger. It seems fundamentally counterintuitive. One has to wonder if this resistance stems from the broader agenda often associated with the US and Gates—the idea that the world is becoming too crowded. If that is indeed the underlying motivation, then everything becomes clear: any attempt by Russia to perform a humanitarian gesture is immediately met with hostility. This recent offer is truly a terrible thing to see dismissed.🍿

🤔 We’ll do everything we can to help the poor and hungry alongside Russia, since that’s their top priority and they've done so much good lately, like in Ukraine, and are doing plenty more right now for the sake of everyone struggling. Ouyea

Jeremy Turner9 said:As far as anyone knows, the ports remain completely blocked, so if there is an intention to donate fertilizer, it might be better if Russia simply provides it themselves.

It’s much like the grain situation—that whole narrative about providing for the poor and the hungry—how can we ignore it? It was noted that the global grain trade is essentially a monopoly held by four secretive American families, known by the acronym ABCD, who, interestingly enough, haven't pulled their operations out of Russia at all, but instead continue to conduct business there quite normally.

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could oppose providing aid to those suffering from poverty and hunger. It seems fundamentally counterintuitive. One has to wonder if this resistance stems from the broader agenda often associated with the US and Gates—the idea that the world is becoming too crowded. If that is indeed the underlying motivation, then everything becomes clear: any attempt by Russia to perform a humanitarian gesture is immediately met with hostility. This recent offer is truly a terrible thing to see dismissed.🍿

If you had actually bothered to read the article in the link you cited, perhaps your attempts at trolling wouldn't look so pathetic. But you didn't. You're just lazy and sloppy, bringing shame to your profession and cluttering the forum with mindless nonsense.

Jeremy Turner9 said:As far as anyone knows, the ports remain completely blocked, so if there is an intention to donate fertilizer, it might be better if Russia simply provides it themselves.

It’s much like the grain situation—that whole narrative about providing for the poor and the hungry—how can we ignore it? It was noted that the global grain trade is essentially a monopoly held by four secretive American families, known by the acronym ABCD, who, interestingly enough, haven't pulled their operations out of Russia at all, but instead continue to conduct business there quite normally.

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone could oppose providing aid to those suffering from poverty and hunger. It seems fundamentally counterintuitive. One has to wonder if this resistance stems from the broader agenda often associated with the US and Gates—the idea that the world is becoming too crowded. If that is indeed the underlying motivation, then everything becomes clear: any attempt by Russia to perform a humanitarian gesture is immediately met with hostility. This recent offer is truly a terrible thing to see dismissed.🍿

Look, nobody is actually going to stop Russia from pulling its troops back home, giving up their nukes as a massive "we won't touch you" guarantee, paying out reparations to Ukraine and the Ukrainians (not to mention everyone else they were suffocating), and handing over their entire military and political leadership to the International Criminal Court.

hollowdriver13 said:So, Russia is basically asking the UN🤣 to get the EU to back off on those sanctions against them. Their "peace offering"? They’re supposedly willing to hand over 300,000 tons of fertilizer to developing nations to help ease the global food crisis—even though there aren't even any sanctions on fertilizer to begin with. Just a move to soften the blow, I guess.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacifi...states/2686720

Call Putin a humanitarian if you want, but clearly, those sanctions just aren't doing much.

Maybe those supplies don't even exist in Russia.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/sta...zetjHCUOnbK10Q
Putin announced readiness to hand over 300,000 tons of Russian fertilizers that piled up in EU seaports due to sanctions to developing countries for free.

Does anyone actually know if this is legit, or where these "blocked" Russian fertilizer stockpiles are supposedly sitting in European ports?

Another possibility—and I mean, really consider this—is they just don't have enough ships to get it to those developing countries.
Plus, there's the assumption that the EU wants that fertilizer for itself since their own chemical plants are basically idling because gas prices are through the roof.

Then you've got word that Germany, in a move straight out of a communist playbook, has potentially already moved to expropriate Rosneft's refineries there.
As a comeback, the Russians have reportedly threatened to shut down the Druzba pipeline:
https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/sta...zetjHCUOnbK10Q
Well, looks like the Prussians just can't help themselves.

wiredseal7 said:Maybe those supplies don't even exist in Russia.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/sta...zetjHCUOnbK10Q
Putin announced readiness to hand over 300,000 tons of Russian fertilizers that piled up in EU seaports due to sanctions to developing countries for free.

Does anyone actually know if this is legit, or where these "blocked" Russian fertilizer stockpiles are supposedly sitting in European ports?

Another possibility—and I mean, really consider this—is they just don't have enough ships to get it to those developing countries.
Plus, there's the assumption that the EU wants that fertilizer for itself since their own chemical plants are basically idling because gas prices are through the roof.

Then you've got word that Germany, in a move straight out of a communist playbook, has potentially already moved to expropriate Rosneft's refineries there.
As a comeback, the Russians have reportedly threatened to shut down the Druzba pipeline:
https://twitter.com/jaccocharite/sta...zetjHCUOnbK10Q
Well, looks like the Prussians just can't help themselves.

Here’s a map of the Baltic Sea ports used for fertilizer exports—take a close look at St. Petersburg and the surrounding area:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...9559515203&z=6

So, the Russians are exporting fertilizer through Russian ports on the Baltic Sea, which is part of Europe. Technically, saying their fertilizer is "stuck in European ports" isn't a flat-out lie, it's just some really creative interpretation of the truth.

Let me say it one more time so we're all on the same page: "There are no sanctions on Russian fertilizer."

The Russians themselves actually chose to hold back exports, figuring it would trigger an agricultural crisis. Now that they see it's backfiring, they're suddenly playing the "humanitarian" card, acting like they'll hand out the fertilizer for free—but of course, there are strings attached, specifically demanding the lifting of sanctions. And I don't get why people insist sanctions don't affect Russia when the Russians themselves constantly make lifting them a condition for everything.

If Druzba gets shut down, the biggest winners will probably be the Canadians, provided they play their cards right.
Karma's a bit of a beast, isn't it?......
And honestly, watching Russia essentially sanction themselves is always interesting; you can see exactly how shutting off the valves hits their budget.

Honestly, I’m just looking forward to seeing if Viktor Orbán actually follows through on that threat.

By exporting nitrogen fertilizers, they’re essentially just offloading their excess natural gas. If my memory serves me right, gas accounts for roughly 90% of the total production costs for urea.

After running a surplus for the first half of the year, the Russians are looking at a massive deficit starting this July.
For 2023, they're planning to slash spending and cook up some new taxes.
Turns out those sanctions actually work. 👍
https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/ru...a3aec274a4b9a2

Nancy Gomez26 said:By exporting nitrogen fertilizers, they’re essentially just offloading their excess natural gas. If my memory serves me right, gas accounts for roughly 90% of the total production costs for urea.

Now that the European Union is running low on urea for those high-performance diesel engines, we're going to see places like Canada become the massive hubs for AdBlue additives. And honestly? The US might see some similar shifts too...

dustyowl29 said:Now that the European Union is running low on urea for those high-performance diesel engines, we're going to see places like Canada become the massive hubs for AdBlue additives. And honestly? The US might see some similar shifts too...

Let’s be realistic. AdBlue consumption is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the sheer scale of agricultural fertilizers.

Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania have officially slammed the door on Russians https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...VsP7HyU13MAoqk
A quick breakdown of the various entry bans by countryhttps://www.fragomen.com/insights/wo...-citizens.html

hollowdriver13 said:

Here’s a map of the Baltic Sea ports used for fertilizer exports—take a close look at St. Petersburg and the surrounding area:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...9559515203&z=6

So, the Russians are exporting fertilizer through Russian ports on the Baltic Sea, which is part of Europe. Technically, saying their fertilizer is "stuck in European ports" isn't a flat-out lie, it's just some really creative interpretation of the truth.

Let me say it one more time so we're all on the same page: "There are no sanctions on Russian fertilizer."

The Russians themselves actually chose to hold back exports, figuring it would trigger an agricultural crisis. Now that they see it's backfiring, they're suddenly playing the "humanitarian" card, acting like they'll hand out the fertilizer for free—but of course, there are strings attached, specifically demanding the lifting of sanctions. And I don't get why people insist sanctions don't affect Russia when the Russians themselves constantly make lifting them a condition for everything.

If Druzba gets shut down, the biggest winners will probably be the Canadians, provided they play their cards right.
Karma's a bit of a beast, isn't it?......
And honestly, watching Russia essentially sanction themselves is always interesting; you can see exactly how shutting off the valves hits their budget.

It's all about those ports in the European Union—just how they're being handled.

The President of the United States is just playing games now—it’s like watching a tired magician try one last cheap trick to distract from how empty the hat really is.
Vladimir Putin told Secretary-General Guterres that there’s about 300,000 tonnes of Russian fertilizer just sitting around in ports across the US—and apparently, they're willing to hand it over to developing nations for nothing.

When Putin talks about "European ports," he’s clearly not just talking about some random docks—he’s aiming straight at the European Union, regardless of how you try to spin it.

It feels like the EU is just sitting on those fertilizer reserves as a rainy-day fund they can grab whenever they feel like it—so it would be "unfortunate" if they didn't make it to Africa. Vladimir Putin basically caught them red-handed; he’s calling out their hypocrisy in front of the rest of the world while they try to point the finger at Russia for the shortages.
It’s the same old story—they blamed Russia for the grain shortages, only to watch it all get diverted from the starving nations and sold off at a premium to the European Union instead.

If they shut down Druzba, the only ones actually "winning" will be the Canadians—as long as they keep tightening the screws.
Karma’s a bitch—it always comes back around eventually.
Self-sanctioning against Russia is always a joke—watching how cutting off their supply lines ends up hitting our own budget just as hard is nothing new.

The fuel from Belarus flows right through Poland—if that shuts down, Canada isn't going to be left hanging without gas.

It’s not all doom and gloom for developing nations—coal exports in Tanzania just saw a massive spike.
Wheat prices are jumping again—it’s just one more thing hitting the grocery budget while everyone stares at the headlines. It feels like we're just watching a slow-motion train wreck with global supply chains.
They're switching back to coal—get ready for some serious smog over the US this winter...

wiredseal7 said:It's all about those ports in the European Union—just how they're being handled.

The President of the United States is just playing games now—it’s like watching a tired magician try one last cheap trick to distract from how empty the hat really is.
Vladimir Putin told Secretary-General Guterres that there’s about 300,000 tonnes of Russian fertilizer just sitting around in ports across the US—and apparently, they're willing to hand it over to developing nations for nothing.

When Putin talks about "European ports," he’s clearly not just talking about some random docks—he’s aiming straight at the European Union, regardless of how you try to spin it.

It feels like the EU is just sitting on those fertilizer reserves as a rainy-day fund they can grab whenever they feel like it—so it would be "unfortunate" if they didn't make it to Africa. Vladimir Putin basically caught them red-handed; he’s calling out their hypocrisy in front of the rest of the world while they try to point the finger at Russia for the shortages.
It’s the same old story—they blamed Russia for the grain shortages, only to watch it all get diverted from the starving nations and sold off at a premium to the European Union instead.

If they shut down Druzba, the only ones actually "winning" will be the Canadians—as long as they keep tightening the screws.
Karma’s a bitch—it always comes back around eventually.
Self-sanctioning against Russia is always a joke—watching how cutting off their supply lines ends up hitting our own budget just as hard is nothing new.

The fuel from Belarus flows right through Poland—if that shuts down, Canada isn't going to be left hanging without gas.

It’s not all doom and gloom for developing nations—coal exports in Tanzania just saw a massive spike.
Wheat prices are jumping again—it’s just one more thing hitting the grocery budget while everyone stares at the headlines. It feels like we're just watching a slow-motion train wreck with global supply chains.
They're switching back to coal—get ready for some serious smog over the US this winter...

The only problem with that theory is that the European Union isn't actually importing Ukrainian wheat.

Even Lada production has ground to a halt 👍
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