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ruggedgull11 ruggedgull11 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
So, look, I’ve got a little one at home, and I'm seriously weighing whether I should start dropping a set amount every single month until they hit their 18th birthday—so we're talking an 18-year grind here...
I'm wondering if there's some kind of setup where I can toss in at least $200$83 monthly, but still have the flexibility to dump in more whenever I actually have some extra cash left over at the end of the month... Is anyone else here actually putting money aside for their kids? I know it won't turn into a massive fortune by the time they're 18, but at least they'll have a little nest egg of their own, you know? What are you guys suggesting, is there anything like that out there?
Mark Sullivan62 Mark Sullivan62 Active Member
147 messages
joined Jul 2009
#2 ·
I honestly think Hypo has some kind of low-stakes savings plan tucked away on their website somewhere, so you might want to go dig through their pages and see what’s up.

And hey, there's really no harm in the idea of tossing some extra cash into an investment fund, right?

If you aren't looking to overthink the whole "where and how" aspect of it all, just head down to the bank and set up an automatic transfer into one of their equity funds; they’ll almost certainly let you set up a recurring deposit for $200$100 without making a huge deal out of it, and besides, you can always throw in more whenever you feel like it.
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
10 messages
joined May 2007
#3 ·
ruggedgull11 said:So, look, I’ve got a little one at home, and I'm seriously weighing whether I should start dropping a set amount every single month until they hit their 18th birthday—so we're talking an 18-year grind here...
I'm wondering if there's some kind of setup where I can toss in at least $200$83 monthly, but still have the flexibility to dump in more whenever I actually have some extra cash left over at the end of the month... Is anyone else here actually putting money aside for their kids? I know it won't turn into a massive fortune by the time they're 18, but at least they'll have a little nest egg of their own, you know? What are you guys suggesting, is there anything like that out there?

* Honestly, doing stuff like this is a must nowadays since the social safety net just isn't what it used to be.
- And hey, there are actually more options available now than ever before.
Here’s a quick breakdown of what you might see from a typical stock mutual fund, assuming an average annual return of 10%:

- Regular monthly deposit $75
- 18-year timeframe (216 months)
- Total amount deposited $16200
- Fees taken from deposits $486
- Amount actually invested $15714
- Estimated principal growth would be roughly $41575
- Which could potentially pay out a permanent monthly annuity based on the BUG principle (living off interest without touching the principal) of about $346

With a setup like this, I'm pretty sure you won't find a better way to handle it for that timeframe—unless, of course, we see much higher returns driven by a market transition that might take another 3–5 years to play out.
Thomas Miller80 Thomas Miller80 Active Member
93 messages
joined Jun 2007
#4 ·
Cockroach-saver 🙏 🙏

😬

I have zero clue what they mean—but whenever I hear someone on TV call it a "cockroach-saver," I honestly die laughing
Feels more like some ridiculous way for the Federal Reserve to squeeze us dry 🙂
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
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joined May 2007
#5 ·
Thomas Miller80 said:Cockroach-saver 🙏 🙏

😬

I have zero clue what they mean—but whenever I hear someone on TV call it a "cockroach-saver," I honestly die laughing
Feels more like some ridiculous way for the Federal Reserve to squeeze us dry 🙂

Still better than being a waiter... 🙂
Jamie Newman5 Jamie Newman5 Member
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joined Feb 2013
#6 ·
quietbadger352 said:* Honestly, doing stuff like this is a must nowadays since the social safety net just isn't what it used to be.
- And hey, there are actually more options available now than ever before.
Here’s a quick breakdown of what you might see from a typical stock mutual fund, assuming an average annual return of 10%:

- Regular monthly deposit $75
- 18-year timeframe (216 months)
- Total amount deposited $16200
- Fees taken from deposits $486
- Amount actually invested $15714
- Estimated principal growth would be roughly $41575
- Which could potentially pay out a permanent monthly annuity based on the BUG principle (living off interest without touching the principal) of about $346

With a setup like this, I'm pretty sure you won't find a better way to handle it for that timeframe—unless, of course, we see much higher returns driven by a market transition that might take another 3–5 years to play out.


..you get the same returns with a housing savings plan, except you aren't dealing with the market risk inherent in a fund...
Just put money into a housing fund for a kid in New York City. There are no entry fees. After five years, you can extend it, or you can just withdraw the whole thing—or eventually use it to snag a mortgage with decent terms if that's what you decide to do later.
casualtinker20 casualtinker20 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2007
#7 ·
I think there’s something at Mount Olympus geared toward kids (like a Mount Olympus child fund or whatever), where you can just toss in a little something every month—maybe like $10 or something—and it grows into a life savings thing. I don't know the specifics, a friend just mentioned it to me, but if you're interested, maybe look into it.
Morgan Jones14 Morgan Jones14 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2006
#8 ·
We set up a savings account about 15 months ago for our first kid, and now we’re starting another one for the second 😁. Honestly, it feels like the smartest move right now, especially while the government is still chipping in that 15% match...
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
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joined May 2007
#9 ·
Jamie Newman5 said:..you get the same returns with a housing savings plan, except you aren't dealing with the market risk inherent in a fund...
Just put money into a housing fund for a kid in New York City. There are no entry fees. After five years, you can extend it, or you can just withdraw the whole thing—or eventually use it to snag a mortgage with decent terms if that's what you decide to do later.

- That's just not true!
I was talking about long-term investing starting at age 18. I used a conservative 10% average annual return, which is actually about 20% lower than what we're seeing in real life right now (around 30% annually for a full 8 years).
* You can't pull off something like that with a housing fund, no matter how much you try...

* It's true that a housing fund doesn't carry the same kind of risk as an open-ended mutual fund, but the trade-off is that someone else is pocketing that extra 20% return.
* And that person provides certain incentives that seem to shrink year after year. Basically, the more they make, the less they feel like giving back, so they offset the difference by cutting those incentives.
* At this rate, it looks like the incentives will disappear entirely, and eventually, the risk will be shifted onto the investors too. Until then, the system is basically: "take whatever you can grab while the opportunity lasts."

- Hey, who's stopping you from pulling your money out of a public fund whenever and however you want???

Maybe think twice before putting confusing info out there in public!👎
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
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joined May 2007
#10 ·
Morgan Jones14 said:We set up a savings account about 15 months ago for our first kid, and now we’re starting another one for the second 😁. Honestly, it feels like the smartest move right now, especially while the government is still chipping in that 15% match...

Honestly, I don't think you quite grasp what "optimal" actually means here.🤣
Morgan Jones14 Morgan Jones14 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2006
#11 ·
quietbadger352 said:Honestly, I don't think you quite grasp what "optimal" actually means here.🤣

guess I'm just dumb and you're a genius🙏
oh great, thanks for "enlightening" us, oh wise one, telling us exactly where to dump our tiny little $50 monthly
paycheck. just throw it all into Vanguard funds, right? since you're so sure they'll pull a steady 10% every single year for the next 18 years.
what about buying just one share of Apple every month, huh?
smart guy.
super easy to give advice when returns are this high.
let's see if those numbers still look good in a few years.
congrats on discovering fire, now you're lecturing me to buy index funds.
yeah, I'm the dummy and you're the expert.
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
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joined May 2007
#12 ·
Morgan Jones14 said:guess I'm just dumb and you're a genius🙏
oh great, thanks for "enlightening" us, oh wise one, telling us exactly where to dump our tiny little $50 monthly
paycheck. just throw it all into Vanguard funds, right? since you're so sure they'll pull a steady 10% every single year for the next 18 years.
what about buying just one share of Apple every month, huh?
smart guy.
super easy to give advice when returns are this high.
let's see if those numbers still look good in a few years.
congrats on discovering fire, now you're lecturing me to buy index funds.
yeah, I'm the dummy and you're the expert.

- I never thought that, let alone said you were stupid.
And I definitely wasn't claiming to be some genius either!

- I haven't been "enlightening" anyone; I was just presenting an "optimal" possibility!
By optimal, I mean finding that sweet spot between a desired return and a tolerable level of risk.

- And no, I don't just do this casually—I've been doing this professionally for 12 years. I'll keep at it until my energy or my brain gives out. I'm building a solid firm and leaving behind a legacy worth protecting!

- Look, I didn't discover fire, nor was I claiming to, so I really don't get why you're being so snarky?
It's not fair to take your frustration out on me just because of opportunity costs (or as Mark Sullivan62 calls them: opportunity cost). 😕
Morgan Jones14 Morgan Jones14 Newcomer
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#13 ·
quietbadger352 said:- I never thought that, let alone said you were stupid.
And I definitely wasn't claiming to be some genius either!

- I haven't been "enlightening" anyone; I was just presenting an "optimal" possibility!
By optimal, I mean finding that sweet spot between a desired return and a tolerable level of risk.

- And no, I don't just do this casually—I've been doing this professionally for 12 years. I'll keep at it until my energy or my brain gives out. I'm building a solid firm and leaving behind a legacy worth protecting!

- Look, I didn't discover fire, nor was I claiming to, so I really don't get why you're being so snarky?
It's not fair to take your frustration out on me just because of opportunity costs (or as Mark Sullivan62 calls them: opportunity cost). 😕

Fair enough, maybe I’m just being sensitive and that smiley at the end threw me off...
I decided to stick to basic savings accounts for the kids. Between our family funds and getting into stocks lately, we've got plenty of exposure already.
Am I bitter? Yeah, mostly at myself😬 for all those missed opportunities over the last few years.
So you say you're a pro advisor
I might actually need some pointers soon. I've only recently started taking investing seriously, and there's no way I'll have the time to track everything down the road. I won't think twice about paying for some solid advice.
quietbadger352 quietbadger352 Member
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joined May 2007
#14 ·
Morgan Jones14 said:Fair enough, maybe I’m just being sensitive and that smiley at the end threw me off...
I decided to stick to basic savings accounts for the kids. Between our family funds and getting into stocks lately, we've got plenty of exposure already.
Am I bitter? Yeah, mostly at myself😬 for all those missed opportunities over the last few years.
So you say you're a pro advisor
I might actually need some pointers soon. I've only recently started taking investing seriously, and there's no way I'll have the time to track everything down the road. I won't think twice about paying for some solid advice.


- That's how I read the situation too, which is why I jumped in—just wanted to remind you that in this game, time isn't exactly on your side.
- You'll get the best advice from an unbiased consultant who earns their living through small fees attached to specific financial products offered by institutions.
- Of course, "unbiased" doesn't mean someone working for one specific bank, one State Farm, or one fund manager (not even if they represent one from each category).

Banks and insurance companies aren't the only ones holding all the cards when it comes to public info about how they operate anymore...🙂
neonbear4 neonbear4 Member
14 messages
joined Jul 2007
#15 ·
haha my old lady’s stashing some pennies in a Chase account or something, I think it's just pocket change. She actually started putting money away for me when I was like 12
but my sister got hers way sooner even though she's younger than me
it’s nothing, just small change I can grab in 3 years
just give the kid $100 a month as an allowance and teach them how to save properly
Jamie Newman5 Jamie Newman5 Member
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joined Feb 2013
#16 ·
quietbadger352 said:- That's just not true!
I was talking about long-term investing starting at age 18. I used a conservative 10% average annual return, which is actually about 20% lower than what we're seeing in real life right now (around 30% annually for a full 8 years).
* You can't pull off something like that with a housing fund, no matter how much you try...

* It's true that a housing fund doesn't carry the same kind of risk as an open-ended mutual fund, but the trade-off is that someone else is pocketing that extra 20% return.
* And that person provides certain incentives that seem to shrink year after year. Basically, the more they make, the less they feel like giving back, so they offset the difference by cutting those incentives.
* At this rate, it looks like the incentives will disappear entirely, and eventually, the risk will be shifted onto the investors too. Until then, the system is basically: "take whatever you can grab while the opportunity lasts."

- Hey, who's stopping you from pulling your money out of a public fund whenever and however you want???

Maybe think twice before putting confusing info out there in public!👎

18 years at 10%?!?

Fine. I'll pull all my cash out of Mexico and Mexico right now and hand it to whoever can guarantee me 10% for the next 18 years! Actually, let's go further... I'll sell the house, the vacation home, everything I own, dump it all into your "guaranteed" 10%, and then just buy everything back on a mortgage at 4.99%. If inflation stays around 3%, I'm looking at a clean 2% profit. Brilliant!

P.S. DM me the name of this fund that pays 10% for 18 years. Thanks.

P.S. The effective rate on housing savings is closer to ten percent. There's no risk (funds are backed by State Farm), the subsidies aren't going to keep dropping forever, and there's a path toward getting favorable loans, which might be worth something to kids one day...

Funds are a decent way to invest, obviously, but unlike housing savings—which is pretty passive and doesn't swing wildly every month—funds are active. They force you to constantly check the ticker, which leads to anxiety when things dip and fake euphoria when they spike.

I'm still sticking by housing savings.
Mark Sullivan62 Mark Sullivan62 Active Member
147 messages
joined Jul 2009
#17 ·
If you can swing it, I’d honestly tell you to go for both,

Like, put $50 toward a mortgage fund and maybe another $20 or $25 into something like Vanguard every month; if that's even doable for you.
Emily Fox2 Emily Fox2 Active Member
103 messages
joined Oct 2012
#18 ·
Jamie Newman5 said:18 years at 10%?!?

Fine. I'll pull all my cash out of Mexico and Mexico right now and hand it to whoever can guarantee me 10% for the next 18 years! Actually, let's go further... I'll sell the house, the vacation home, everything I own, dump it all into your "guaranteed" 10%, and then just buy everything back on a mortgage at 4.99%. If inflation stays around 3%, I'm looking at a clean 2% profit. Brilliant!

P.S. DM me the name of this fund that pays 10% for 18 years. Thanks.

P.S. The effective rate on housing savings is closer to ten percent. There's no risk (funds are backed by State Farm), the subsidies aren't going to keep dropping forever, and there's a path toward getting favorable loans, which might be worth something to kids one day...

Funds are a decent way to invest, obviously, but unlike housing savings—which is pretty passive and doesn't swing wildly every month—funds are active. They force you to constantly check the ticker, which leads to anxiety when things dip and fake euphoria when they spike.

I'm still sticking by housing savings.

That 10% effective rate was when the incentives were at their peak $417. Now they cap out at $250 per person. Once you go over $1667 annually, that effective rate starts dropping, so it really only makes sense to save up to $1667 per person. Any extra cash is better off put somewhere else.
Rebecca Wright4 Rebecca Wright4 Newcomer
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joined May 2007
#19 ·
ruggedgull11 said:So, look, I’ve got a little one at home, and I'm seriously weighing whether I should start dropping a set amount every single month until they hit their 18th birthday—so we're talking an 18-year grind here...
I'm wondering if there's some kind of setup where I can toss in at least $200$83 monthly, but still have the flexibility to dump in more whenever I actually have some extra cash left over at the end of the month... Is anyone else here actually putting money aside for their kids? I know it won't turn into a massive fortune by the time they're 18, but at least they'll have a little nest egg of their own, you know? What are you guys suggesting, is there anything like that out there?

Prudential has some decent options for kids... you can always throw in extra cash whenever you feel like it...
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
543 messages
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#20 ·
Jamie Newman5 said:18 years at 10%?!?

Fine. I'll pull all my cash out of Mexico and Mexico right now and hand it to whoever can guarantee me 10% for the next 18 years! Actually, let's go further... I'll sell the house, the vacation home, everything I own, dump it all into your "guaranteed" 10%, and then just buy everything back on a mortgage at 4.99%. If inflation stays around 3%, I'm looking at a clean 2% profit. Brilliant!

P.S. DM me the name of this fund that pays 10% for 18 years. Thanks.

P.S. The effective rate on housing savings is closer to ten percent. There's no risk (funds are backed by State Farm), the subsidies aren't going to keep dropping forever, and there's a path toward getting favorable loans, which might be worth something to kids one day...

Funds are a decent way to invest, obviously, but unlike housing savings—which is pretty passive and doesn't swing wildly every month—funds are active. They force you to constantly check the ticker, which leads to anxiety when things dip and fake euphoria when they spike.

I'm still sticking by housing savings.

It used to be 10%. Now? It’s sitting at around 7%. Just pathetic.
Look, I have absolutely nothing against her personally—really, I don't—but we need to be smart here. We cannot just sit on our hands. This is the moment to strike while the iron is hot and actually put those funds to work. If we waste this window of opportunity, we’re just throwing money down the drain.
Honestly, we might as well just grab some residential properties right now just to make sure we capitalize on those DPS tax advantages while they’re actually still on the table.

And when it comes to savings accounts... honestly, you’ve got it completely backwards. I mean, really. When those mortgage rates first started moving, the interest being promised back then was absolutely fantastic—it was gold. But look, five years have passed since then, and the entire landscape has shifted under our feet. Once people reached the end of their fixed-term savings periods, they realized that pivoting toward a standard loan structure actually made way more sense than sticking to the old ways. Here is why:
Interest rates. Again. Honestly, I feel like we’re just circling the drain with this entire situation. Every time you turn around, there’s another headline about the Fed shifting gears, and frankly, I’m exhausted by the constant back-and-forth. It feels like we're being jerked around by people who can't make up their minds, and it's the everyday American—the ones actually trying to build a life, buy a house, or even just keep a savings account from evaporating—who ends up paying the price for their indecision. I was talking to a friend of mine in Chicago the other day—someone who’s been trying to navigate the mortgage market for months—and the frustration in her voice was palpable. It’s not just numbers on a screen; it’s real life. It’s the difference between finally getting those keys to a new home or being stuck renting indefinitely because the math just doesn't work anymore. We're told these hikes are necessary to curb inflation, which I get, intellectually speaking. But when you're staring down the barrel of skyrocketing borrowing costs, "intellectual understanding" doesn't pay the bills. It’s infuriating, really. How much more volatility are we expected to absorb before things actually stabilize? It feels like we're perpetually waiting for a calm that never comes.
They honestly thought—and I mean they truly, deeply lacked any sense of reality here—that they could just scrape by on those meager savings, maybe one or two small accounts if they were lucky, and somehow walk away with a condo. It’s delusional. They clearly didn't do the math, or more likely, they refused to even look at the numbers. You can't just save up pennies and expect to compete in today's housing market. It's a fantasy. 😲
The whole damn thing is rigged. You’ve got these massive loans where the entire lump sum has to be wired directly to the seller—whether you're buying a house or just trying to fund some major renovations—and frankly, it’s a total slap in the face to anyone trying to manage their own money. It just doesn't sit right with people anymore. We're out here working our tails off, yet we don't even get the autonomy to handle our own capital during the transaction? It’s frustrating, it’s outdated, and quite honestly, it’s driving people crazy.

Jamie Newman5 said:18 years at 10%?!?

Fine. I'll pull all my cash out of Mexico and Mexico right now and hand it to whoever can guarantee me 10% for the next 18 years! Actually, let's go further... I'll sell the house, the vacation home, everything I own, dump it all into your "guaranteed" 10%, and then just buy everything back on a mortgage at 4.99%. If inflation stays around 3%, I'm looking at a clean 2% profit. Brilliant!

P.S. DM me the name of this fund that pays 10% for 18 years. Thanks.

P.S. The effective rate on housing savings is closer to ten percent. There's no risk (funds are backed by State Farm), the subsidies aren't going to keep dropping forever, and there's a path toward getting favorable loans, which might be worth something to kids one day...

Funds are a decent way to invest, obviously, but unlike housing savings—which is pretty passive and doesn't swing wildly every month—funds are active. They force you to constantly check the ticker, which leads to anxiety when things dip and fake euphoria when they spike.

I'm still sticking by housing savings.

Look, when it comes to certain things in life—especially when you’re talking about money—you can't just sit around waiting for a miracle. You actually have to put in the work. You have to do your due diligence. There aren't any shortcuts if you want to see real results. That being said, we have to be realistic here: most mutual funds are meant to be long-term plays. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and if you're looking for a quick buck by next Tuesday, you're looking in the wrong place.

Jamie Newman5 said:18 years at 10%?!?

Fine. I'll pull all my cash out of Mexico and Mexico right now and hand it to whoever can guarantee me 10% for the next 18 years! Actually, let's go further... I'll sell the house, the vacation home, everything I own, dump it all into your "guaranteed" 10%, and then just buy everything back on a mortgage at 4.99%. If inflation stays around 3%, I'm looking at a clean 2% profit. Brilliant!

P.S. DM me the name of this fund that pays 10% for 18 years. Thanks.

P.S. The effective rate on housing savings is closer to ten percent. There's no risk (funds are backed by State Farm), the subsidies aren't going to keep dropping forever, and there's a path toward getting favorable loans, which might be worth something to kids one day...

Funds are a decent way to invest, obviously, but unlike housing savings—which is pretty passive and doesn't swing wildly every month—funds are active. They force you to constantly check the ticker, which leads to anxiety when things dip and fake euphoria when they spike.

I'm still sticking by housing savings.

I completely agree, but like I’ve been saying, we really need to make the most of this window while the funds are actually available. It’s about being strategic—shuffling things around, putting a little bit here and a little bit there depending on what the liquidity looks like at the moment. We can't just sit on our hands.

You know what would actually be a game-changer for kids? We need to start giving them a real way to engage with money early on by opening dedicated youth savings accounts. I’ve been hearing that Goldman Sachs is actually pretty solid for this kind of thing. It shouldn't just be about holding onto cash, though; it should be an educational tool where you teach them the discipline of saving. If the bank actually rewards that behavior—you know, throwing in little incentives or small gifts to keep them motivated—it makes the whole concept tangible. Plus, if they can get decent interest rates on liquid savings, it gives them a real sense of watching their money grow. It’s about building those habits now before they head off to college or whatever comes next.

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