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Participants hiddenfox9Carl Mendoza52Douglas Gray8ironrider11Jamie Adams6rowdyanglerKaren Morgan6Kate James14Roger FowlerTimothy Mitchell2Adam Morales2Eric Gray2Larry Diaz4
hiddenfox9 hiddenfox9 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Hello,

I remember catching a documentary on National Geographic—maybe it was Brain Games or something similar—where they discussed a specific psychological phenomenon

The scenario was this: a man, perhaps incapacitated by illness or intoxication, is lying on the pavement in a busy metropolitan area. Despite being clearly in distress, passersby simply walk past without intervening, each individual operating under the unspoken assumption that someone else will step up to help.

Does anyone here recognize this concept, and does anyone know the official name for this syndrome?
Carl Mendoza52 Carl Mendoza52 Member
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#2 ·
hiddenfox9 said:Hello,

I remember catching a documentary on National Geographic—maybe it was Brain Games or something similar—where they discussed a specific psychological phenomenon

The scenario was this: a man, perhaps incapacitated by illness or intoxication, is lying on the pavement in a busy metropolitan area. Despite being clearly in distress, passersby simply walk past without intervening, each individual operating under the unspoken assumption that someone else will step up to help.

Does anyone here recognize this concept, and does anyone know the official name for this syndrome?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Douglas Gray8 Douglas Gray8 Active Member
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#3 ·
My first thought when I see some junkie passed out on the sidewalk?
Man, look at this guy. Serves him right for using. Let him rot.
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#4 ·


- "Someone, please... help me!?"
- "Get off your ass and help yourself, then maybe God will step in!"
Jamie Adams6 Jamie Adams6 Active Member
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#5 ·
It’s called diffusion of responsibility—but honestly? Sometimes it's just straight-up being a jerk because people decide upfront that the victim isn't "worth" the trouble. I remember reading about this a couple of years back—some guy was just left lying in the street in New York City without a single soul stopping to help. It’s not some freak occurrence or even a cultural thing, it just happens... everywhere.

https://www.history.com/topics/crime/kitty-genovese

The phenomenon, called The Bystander Effect or The Genovese syndrome, attempts to explain why someone witnessing a crime would not help the victim.

Psychologists Bibb Latané and John Darley made their careers studying The Bystander Effect and have shown in clinical experiments that witnesses ara less likely to Help if there are other witnesses. The more witnesses, the less likely any one person will intervene.

The Bystander Effect was used by The Press as a parable of a morally bankrupt modern society losing its compassion for others , particularly in cities.
rowdyangler rowdyangler Member
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#6 ·
I once called 911 because there was some guy just lying in the middle of the road

When the paramedics showed up, it turned out they actually knew the guy

I wouldn't bother doing that again unless I'm absolutely certain someone is actually hurt.
Karen Morgan6 Karen Morgan6 Member
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#7 ·
My first move is always to pull over, assess the scene, and call 911...

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Kate James14 Kate James14 Member
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#8 ·
I believe this effect proves that emotions are ultimately driven by conscious perception. People walk past with a mental filter already in place. For most, stepping up to help isn't just uncommon—it's non-existent. They rely entirely on the system, effectively switching off their capacity for empathy. They’re checked out.

And this trend is spreading. People are leaning harder on institutions than ever before. The younger generation is becoming increasingly passive. If you want a prime example, look at Trump 😁. Everyone just stopped caring; they figured why bother voting when that loud-mouthed orange guy is basically running the show anyway 😁. They were just spectators. Now that they've been burned, maybe they'll finally stop watching from the sidelines.

As people continue to isolate themselves from what it actually means to be part of a community, other facets of this phenomenon will inevitably surface. And in this day and age, that kind of isolation is everywhere.
Roger Fowler Roger Fowler Active Member
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#9 ·
It usually just confirms that whole "charity starts at home, much to one's own shame" sentiment, where people have learned to be cautious and just Google things first. You can't really raise someone in a broken society and then expect them to walk out into the world with anything resembling healthy, normal habits, can you?
Timothy Mitchell2 Timothy Mitchell2 Member
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#10 ·
There’s this girl on my team, kind of a sweetheart at first glance. She looks good, seems friendly... reminds me of an unknown stocking 🙄
Except once you actually get to know her, you just want to pull that stocking over your head....

She’s been super high-strung lately, even managed to screw up the job she specifically retrained for. It all comes down to being difficult—she’s just got this stubborn streak. I heard she recently drove away a friend of mine while I wasn't around, and that friend hadn't even done anything to her. And that friend is usually pretty introverted. So yeah, she’s not easy to rattle. At least, I think that’s true for people like that.

But what’s really bugging me from yesterday is how aggressive she was toward this younger girl in our group, and neither my buddy nor I said a word. Even though I felt like telling her—like, hey, maybe watch how you talk to her 🤨 Why is it so hard for people to just step up and defend someone? Maybe it's just because I haven't known this younger girl for that long...
Adam Morales2 Adam Morales2 Newcomer
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#11 ·
It's basically just diffusion of responsibility. I guess when more people are stuck in some messy situation, nobody feels like stepping up to help the person in need.
Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
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#12 ·
Wait, what?
Adam Morales2 Adam Morales2 Newcomer
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#13 ·
So, there's this sociological thing called diffusion of responsibility. Or the bystander effect, if you want to be fancy about it. Basically, the more people around, the less likely anyone actually does anything. I guess everyone just assumes someone else will step up. Maybe.

So, some random guy collapses from a heart attack right in the middle of a busy downtown plaza. People just... gather around. Some stare, others just walk right past him like nothing happened. I guess that's just how it goes now.
Since everyone’s getting called out now, nobody seems really eager to step up and help. They're just passing the buck back and forth—both as individuals and as a group, I guess. It’s like they all think someone else already stepped up, or that helping is somehow everyone's job equally. Maybe.

Diffusion models are basically just math trying to be art. It’s this whole process where you take an image, add a bunch of random noise until it looks like static on an old TV, and then train a model to reverse that mess. It learns how to peel back the layers of noise to find the picture underneath. The tech is cool, I guess. It’s what powers stuff like Midjourney or DALL-E. But there’s a massive headache brewing around copyright and who actually owns the output. If a model learns from millions of images scraped off the web without permission, is the result "new" or just high-tech plagiarism? People are fighting about it in court right now. It's a mess. Maybe it'll settle down, maybe it won't. Who knows.
Timothy Mitchell2 Timothy Mitchell2 Member
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#14 ·
Adam Morales2 said:So, there's this sociological thing called diffusion of responsibility. Or the bystander effect, if you want to be fancy about it. Basically, the more people around, the less likely anyone actually does anything. I guess everyone just assumes someone else will step up. Maybe.

So, some random guy collapses from a heart attack right in the middle of a busy downtown plaza. People just... gather around. Some stare, others just walk right past him like nothing happened. I guess that's just how it goes now.
Since everyone’s getting called out now, nobody seems really eager to step up and help. They're just passing the buck back and forth—both as individuals and as a group, I guess. It’s like they all think someone else already stepped up, or that helping is somehow everyone's job equally. Maybe.

Diffusion models are basically just math trying to be art. It’s this whole process where you take an image, add a bunch of random noise until it looks like static on an old TV, and then train a model to reverse that mess. It learns how to peel back the layers of noise to find the picture underneath. The tech is cool, I guess. It’s what powers stuff like Midjourney or DALL-E. But there’s a massive headache brewing around copyright and who actually owns the output. If a model learns from millions of images scraped off the web without permission, is the result "new" or just high-tech plagiarism? People are fighting about it in court right now. It's a mess. Maybe it'll settle down, maybe it won't. Who knows.

Heard of that before! You're onto something here. Could totally be that.🤔
Larry Diaz4 Larry Diaz4 Member
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#15 ·
It’s that classic "diffusion of responsibility" thing—you know, that feeling where everyone just stands around because they assume someone else will step up. It’s like that infamous 1964 Kitty Genovese case—stabbings in broad daylight, and yet, nobody helps or even thinks to call 911.

Back then, the whole idea was that instead of just screaming for help, you should probably point at a specific person and tell them, "Hey, you! Call the police!"

Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
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#16 ·
just as if not

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