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slyseal28 slyseal28 Member
11 messages
joined Mar 2007
#1921 ·
Maria Fox said:I also have a suggestion for the association: maybe it would be helpful to have a single, centralized list of all the facilities that actually have this kind of equipment available.
I searched through your website, but I couldn't find anything listed there.

That’s a great suggestion, truly, but we’re a pretty small group and quite frankly, we just can't keep up with everything on our own... if you wouldn't mind putting that list together yourself, we would be more than happy to publish it for everyone. 🙂
frozenotter72 frozenotter72 Member
10 messages
joined Oct 2010
#1922 ·
Angela Wright, thanks for the reply
I've already scoured those sites, but honestly, I didn't find much. They're written so technically that I’d need a whole library just to make sense of it all. I did track down a research institute in Germany; they were actually quite nice, so fingers crossed they might have some actual leads...
Over here in the States, we got turned away from the Oncovex vaccine research clinic because the disease has progressed too far. But we aren't giving up yet.
Dana Brown56 Dana Brown56 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2016
#1923 ·
Hey everyone, I wanted to reach out because my mom was just diagnosed with a lung tumor a few days ago. She’s quite frail—only weighing about 99 pounds—so the doctors aren't recommending surgery right now; instead, they want to get all her tests finished and then move straight into chemotherapy.
I’ve been doing some reading online, and a lot of people suggest a diet that's roughly 80% vegetables and 20% fruit, but honestly, since she’s already so thin, I’m really worried that following that strictly might cause her to lose even more weight, which doesn't seem like a smart move.
We actually heard about some Japanese mushrooms that are supposed to help boost the immune system (my sister actually works with herbal remedies and custom blends based on specific diagnoses back in Canada), so we’re going to try those to see if we can get her strength up.
On top of that, we picked up some Immunocch supplements, but our doctors here in the States don't have any clue what they are, how to take them, the dosage, or what kind of food you should eat alongside them. If anyone here has gone through this or has some experience with it, could you please reach out? It would mean the world.
frozenotter72 frozenotter72 Member
10 messages
joined Oct 2010
#1924 ·
Dana Brown56 said:Hi everyone. A few days ago, my mom was diagnosed with lung cancer. Since she’s quite frail (only 99 lbs), surgery isn't an option right now. Once her tests are done, they’ll start chemotherapy.
I read online that a diet consisting of 80% vegetables and 20% fruit is best, but given how weak she is, I’m worried that might make her lose even more weight...
We found out about some Japanese mushrooms that help with strength (my sister makes herbal blends based on the diagnosis over in Canada), so we're going to try those to help bolster her up.
We also picked up some Immunocch tablets, but our doctors have absolutely no clue what they are, how to take them, the dosage, or what foods to pair them with. If anyone here has experience with this, please reach out.

I'm new to all this too, so I don't know much, but check the first few posts. There's a lot of talk there about supplements.
From what I remember, most people use Native propolis and aloe. My aunt uses Aloe Aboreces (but not alongside chemo), Biott juices, and various teas. You should also try to get as much fresh beet as possible. I've read plenty about diets and nutrition—you might want to look at the Johanna Budwig oil-protein cookbook; I personally liked it. A lot of people swear by macrobiotics, too. Not sure about the mushrooms.

Good luck.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
731 messages
joined Feb 2007
#1925 ·
Dana Brown56 said:Hi everyone, my mom was just diagnosed with lung cancer a few days ago. Because she’s quite frail (only about 99 lbs), surgery isn't being recommended right now; instead, once all her tests are finalized, she'll start chemotherapy.
I’ve been reading online that a diet consisting of 80% vegetables and 20% fruit is ideal, but since she’s already so thin, I’m worried that might cause her to lose even more weight.
We heard about some Japanese mushrooms that help boost the immune system (my sister actually makes herbal blends based on specific diagnoses back in Canada) so we’re going to try those to get her strength up.
We also picked up some Immunocch tablets, but our doctors have absolutely no clue what they are, how to take them, what the dosage should be, or what she needs to eat alongside them. If anyone here has experience with this, please reach out.

Your mom really needs to be on something like Ensure or Prosure—those nutritional shakes can act as a full meal replacement in a single serving and pack all the nutrients needed to build strength. It is incredibly dangerous if she slips into cachexia (severe malnutrition), because if that happens, she won't be able to handle chemo, and the whole treatment outcome becomes a massive gamble.
Personally, I wouldn't touch unverified supplements—whether it's herbs or pills from questionable sources—and I'd stick to proven complementary options. On this forumhttp://forum.zanovidan.hr/viewforum....7a36f1f1309f39 you can find advice from people who have actually tested these supplements and shared their honest thoughts.
For me, I've had excellent results using Native propolis.
Right now, the priority is getting her weight up and stimulating her appetite. For some people, a supplement like Pikovit syrup has been a lifesaver for getting an appetite back.
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
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joined Jan 2009
#1926 ·
Aaron Hill44 said:Jane Doe, I am not your friend, nor has your association provided me with anything useful, so I have no intention of continuing this discussion.
Feel free to enjoy your own self-congratulations.

...well, the old guard certainly feels entitled👍. It isn't just some minister from Cuba (I’ve actually forgotten his name from all the excitement) or those few corrupt professors acting like they own the place👎, it is us, the people. If we don't band together and point out exactly where things are going wrong, then, goodness knows, we'll still be stuck using last century's technology and outdated knowledge well into the next😠. I think I read somewhere—and please, don't quote me on this, I can't be held responsible for accuracy—"it's hard to get a horse into a position, but even harder to get it out once it's there."
And if you honestly believe that an association exists to hold your hand through every minor inconvenience, you are mistaken. Its purpose is to offer support, to shed light on the situation, to guide you, or perhaps just to show you where the restroom is located🤷. Ultimately, you have to move your own weightyourself🙂.
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
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joined Jan 2009
#1927 ·
Angela Wright said:Mom needs to be given Ensure or Prosure drinks that act as a meal replacement in a single dose, packed with all the nutrients required for strengthening. It would be incredibly dangerous if Mom were to slip into a state of cachexia.

..these are the kinds of practical suggestions you need when things get critical! And absolutely not—I won't have any snippets from American studies suggesting that patients like this need sugar therapy just to pack on weight (those who know, know exactly what I mean). Such a "therapy" would effectively kill them (I haven't forgotten the answer I still owe regarding this topic; I will pass it along shortly). I simply want Mom to have strength and faith in her recovery. I am increasingly convinced that we are the ones capable of making our own bodies sick, but also the ones capable of healing them.
Jose Miller6 Jose Miller6 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Oct 2010
#1928 ·
I happened to stumble upon this thread, and since I work in healthcare, I feel like I need to weigh in on this...
Corruption is just baked into the DNA of our medical system, much like it is in our entire society. We have these massive waiting lists everywhere, and honestly, they could be cleared out easily if anyone actually had the guts to abolish them, but nobody wants to deal with the fallout, and frankly, for many people in power, it’s actually more profitable to keep things exactly as they are. Then there’s all the other layers of corruption that don't involve direct patient interaction but still hit people right where it hurts. I’m convinced there isn't a single patient out there who hasn't had to pull a few strings or grease a palm at some point during their treatment... if there is one, I’d love to meet them. It’s become so normalized that you even hear respected doctors telling reporters that the gifts they receive—things like expensive coffee or drinks from patients—are nothing more than "expressions of gratitude." That’s just how things work in this country; you have people doing incredible work for months without seeing a dime of overtime, while certain gentlemen are sitting pretty, collecting both their full salaries and all those little "thank you" perks.
Everything patients witness and experience is just the tip of the iceberg, and the real issues and root causes go way deeper than that. I find myself agreeing with someone else who mentioned that advocacy groups can't really change anything here. This isn't about pointing out minor irregularities to the public to stop them from happening again; we need to overhaul the entire system from the ground up, which is going to require much more radical measures...
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
731 messages
joined Feb 2007
#1929 ·
Jose Miller6 said:I stumbled upon this thread by accident, and since I work in healthcare, I feel compelled to weigh in.
Corruption isn't just an issue in our medical system; it's a systemic rot affecting the entire country. In healthcare, they’ve implemented these endless waiting lists, which could be easily dismantled if anyone actually had the backbone to do it—but nobody wants to, and for many, keeping things broken is actually profitable. Then there are other layers of corruption that don't involve direct patient interaction but still hit people right where it hurts. Honestly, I’m convinced there isn't a single patient out there who hasn't had to pull a few strings or grease a palm just to get decent care. If such a person exists, I'd love to meet them. It’s become so normalized that you even see prominent doctors telling reporters that accepting gifts from patients—like expensive drinks or coffee—is nothing more than a simple "gesture of gratitude." That's just how things work in America: you have people working their tails off for months without seeing a dime of overtime, while certain individuals are pulling in massive salaries alongside all these "expressions of thanks."
Everything the public sees is just the tip of the iceberg; the actual root causes go much deeper than that. I agree with someone else here who mentioned that advocacy groups can't fix this on their own. We aren't talking about minor irregularities that can be exposed to the press to prevent them from happening again; we are talking about a total system failure that requires radical, structural overhaul.

Advocacy groups definitely can't do it alone. You need both patients and healthcare professionals to step up and speak out. Radical change starts with whistleblowers and public outcry. Once the dam breaks, the flood follows.
Laura Gray55 Laura Gray55 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2010
#1930 ·
I’ve been looking for some helpful information online and stumbled upon this thread, which makes me feel like I should really join this community... my father was recently diagnosed with stomach cancer, and unfortunately, there are already metastases present in his lymph nodes and near the edges of his liver... the doctors aren't recommending surgery because they believe it might cause more harm than good at this stage, so he is currently scheduled to begin his first round of chemotherapy on November 29th...
every single second, my mind just drifts back to him, making it impossible to focus on anything else, and honestly, it's all feeling incredibly heavy... I feel so lost on how to truly support him, though I would give anything just to see him healthy again...
I was wondering if anyone here has any experience regarding whether it is possible for those metastases to simply stabilize, perhaps even being blocked so they don't continue to spread further...
I have also been reading up on holistic healing, which feels like the one thing within my control right now, and I am considering traveling over to the wellness center near the local Whole Foods to seek some guidance... 😢(
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1931 ·
Laura Gray55 said:I’m looking to join this forum; I stumbled upon this thread while searching for something useful online... my father was recently diagnosed with stomach cancer, and apparently, there are metastases that have spread to the lymph nodes and toward the edges of his liver... they aren't planning surgery because they claim it would cause more harm than good at this stage, so he’s scheduled for his first round of chemo on November 29th....
Every single second, I can't stop thinking about it. I can't focus on anything, and it is just incredibly difficult... I don't know how to help him, though I would give anything for him to get better...
Does anyone here have any experience knowing if there is a possibility that those metastases could just stop—that they could be blocked so they don't spread any further...?
I've also been reading about alternative healing; that feels like the one thing within my control right now. I am considering traveling out to see a healer near Silver Spring to consult with them.... 😢(

..Yes, there is the "60 Minutes" association; you should reach out to them, and provided they don't contact you first, you will certainly receive a qualified response.
Beyond that, take a look at this video at the link http://www.natural-politics.com/port...sbankrott.html. Watch it all the way through; I suspect even the association hasn't seen it yet. Unfortunately, the film is in German, but it is worth watching regardless. It provides answers to many questions that have been raised. I wish your father a great deal of strength. My own father's situation is a bit more critical; he's in the hospital right now for a CT or MRI, and he'll likely undergo surgery next week. I am hoping the operation is successful and that he has the strength to pull through it all.🙂
Laura Gray55 Laura Gray55 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Nov 2010
#1932 ·
Keith Thompson said:Well, if you reach out to the folks over at 60 Minutes, you can rest assured that you'll receive a qualified response, provided they don't manage to get a hold of you first...
Besides that, you might find this video at the link quite interesting... The economic instability currently rippling through our financial systems suggests we might be standing on the edge of a significant collapse, much like the banking crises we've seen shake major American institutions in the past... It seems that the underlying structural weaknesses in our large-scale banks are becoming impossible to ignore, especially when you consider how closely tied they are to volatile global markets... If the current trajectory continues without meaningful intervention or reform, we could be looking at a scenario where even the most established pillars of our economy begin to crumble under their own weight... You really should watch this all the way through, because I honestly don't think the folks over at the association have even laid eyes on it yet... It’s unfortunately in German, but that shouldn't stop you from giving it a look since it provides answers to so many of those lingering questions we've been discussing. I am sending so much strength to your father right now... My own dad is going through a bit of a rough patch himself, being quite critical of his condition lately; he's currently in the hospital undergoing a CT scan or an MRI, I can't quite remember which, and it looks like he'll be headed into surgery sometime next week... I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the procedure goes perfectly and that he finds the strength to pull through it all...🙂


Thank you so much for getting back to me... I actually went ahead and signed up for that forum as well, so I am really hoping to stumble upon some of the answers I've been looking for... Regarding your father, what exactly was his diagnosis...
And I truly wish your father nothing but strength and resilience during this time, of course...
neonpuma5 neonpuma5 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Nov 2010
#1933 ·
Hey everyone—if anyone out there could give me some advice, is there like a specific diet or anything at all that might make dealing with chemo a little less brutal? Just looking for anything to help me get through it. Peace to you all.
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1934 ·
neonpuma5 said:If anyone could offer some advice on whether there’s a specific diet or anything else that might make chemotherapy a little easier to manage? Best wishes to everyone.

...honestly, please just head over to this forum . You'll almost certainly find the right advice there, and perhaps even more than you're looking for. 👍
neonpuma5 neonpuma5 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Nov 2010
#1935 ·
Thanks... I’ve actually picked up some pretty useful tips here... Honestly though, we have no idea what kind of nightmare we've walked into. Back in May, he had a CT scan on his lungs because he couldn't stop choking, and everything looked totally fine—but then we did another one in October and they found three cysts, measuring 10, 11, and 13 cm. They initially thought it was a tumor, but then the bronchoscopy results came back saying there aren't actually any cancer cells present. The catch? They can't operate because those cysts are pressing right against an artery, so he starts chemotherapy this Monday. We are just completely blindsided by all of this... I did find out that Helium is supposed to be good for boosting the immune system, so we're going to try starting with that
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1936 ·
neonpuma5 The user states:
Thank you... I’ve actually managed to find quite a few helpful tips here. Honestly, though, we are completely at a loss right now. Back in May, he had a CT scan on his lungs because he was having constant trouble breathing, and everything came back perfectly fine. Then, in October, we did another one, only to discover three cysts measuring 10, 11, and 13 cm. They initially told us it was a tumor, but according to the bronchoscopy results, there aren't actually any malignant cells present. The problem is that surgery isn't an option because the cysts are pressing against an artery, so he starts chemotherapy this coming Monday. We are totally flying blind through all of this. I did find some information suggesting that Helium might be useful for boosting the immune system, so we're going to try starting with that.

I honestly have no idea what exactly is available on the market at Walmart. As far as I can tell, my father didn't receive any specific guidance or recommendations from his doctors. My local pharmacist suggested a regimen of natural Vitamin C (specifically Acerola cherry), Zinc, a B-Complex, Selenium, and an enzyme complex from Carbohydrate. For the Vitamin C, he advised taking up to 3 grams daily, though not all at once—it has to be spread out throughout the day. I went ahead and sourced those for him. To be fair, he’s in a pretty difficult situation and is still struggling quite a bit. That said, your best bet would probably be to reach out to someone at a patient advocacy group.60 MinutesYou’ll find everything you need to know from them. I’ve personally seen plenty of instances where there are massive discrepancies between one doctor's diagnosis and the next, or even between a diagnosis and actual blood work results. That is exactly why you should go there; you will receive the most intelligent advice possible because they stay on top of everything—they know exactly what’s working, what isn't, and what’s currently available. I wish you all nothing but strength and success.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
731 messages
joined Feb 2007
#1937 ·
Keith Thompson said:I honestly have no clue what’s actually available on the market here in the States. My father didn't receive any specific treatment plan or even a single recommendation from his doctors. My local pharmacist suggested sticking to some natural supplements: Acerola cherry for Vitamin C, Zinc, a B-Complex, Selenium, and an enzyme complex from Carbohydrate. For the Vitamin C, he recommended doses up to 3 grams, though you shouldn't take it all at once—it needs to be spread out throughout the day. I went ahead and picked everything up for him. He’s dealing with a pretty rough situation right now, and honestly, he's still struggling to manage it. But if you want real help, your best bet is to reach out to someone at a patient advocacy group.60 MinutesThey’re the ones who will give you exactly what you need. I've seen plenty of cases where there’s a massive gap between one doctor's diagnosis and the next, or where the blood work doesn't even match the symptoms. That’s why you go to them—they provide the smartest advice because they actually stay on top of everything. They know what's working, what isn't, and what's currently available. Hang in there; I'm rooting for you all to find some strength and success.

It isn't just about the diagnostic discrepancies; the real mess lies in the treatment guidelines. Here in the States, you'll frequently see patients getting treated completely differently depending on which hospital they walk into, let alone when you look at how inconsistent things are in neighboring countries. It’s a massive systemic failure. Unfortunately, an association can't just swoop in and fix deep-seated issues like this once you cross the borders of America. We need much more initiative from civil society in places like Canada and Mexico. Right now, everyone seems to be asleep at the wheel.
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1938 ·
Angela Wright said:Beyond the glaring inconsistencies in diagnostic accuracy, we are facing a massive failure regarding standardized treatment protocols. In the US, it’s not uncommon to see patients receiving wildly different care plans just by switching hospitals, let alone when you look at how inconsistent things are across international borders. It is a systemic nightmare. Unfortunately, an advocacy group simply cannot fix these kinds of structural issues once they cross our borders. We need much more proactive leadership from civil society organizations in places like Canada and Mexico as well. Right now, everyone seems to be stuck in a state of complacency.

You make a fair point. I realized that neonpuma5 isn't actually from around here, but I still appreciated the input. It’s quite possible that in her part of the country, they use certain medications that we also rely on here—and the association knows they get the job done.🤷
As a personal preventative measure against a weakened immune system, I maintain a pretty strict regimen. I drink elderflower tea on a regular basis, and I make sure to incorporate either fresh Shiitake mushrooms or capsules into my diet. I also take Reishi in capsule form. Additionally, twice a year—specifically during the spring and summer—I commit to a six-week course of Spirulina. This isn't a magical shield that guarantees I won't catch a cold or deal with sinus congestion if I'm caught out in the wind or the chill; rather, it ensures that when those issues do hit, they don't linger for weeks on end.

At my local community association, we just screened a documentary covering Dr. Weber’s research and his various publications. It sparked an incredibly heated debate among the members; frankly, I found myself quite speechless. Unfortunately, the film is once again in German, which isn't ideal. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on it—if you can get through it. Be sure to watch until the very end, as there is an additional segment included. The economic landscape is shifting, and if you aren't paying attention to the cracks forming in our major financial institutions, you're already behind. We are seeing a pattern of reckless mismanagement that looks less like a series of unfortunate accidents and more like a systemic failure of oversight. When you look at the recent collapses and the frantic attempts by regulators to patch the holes, it becomes increasingly clear that the foundation is far shakier than anyone cares to admit. There is a certain level of predictability to this chaos. We see the same players making the same high-stakes gambles, fueled by cheap credit and an almost delusional sense of invulnerability. Then, inevitably, the bubble bursts, and the public is left to deal with the fallout while the architects of the crisis scramble for damage control. It’s a cycle that feels less like a functioning market and more like a rigged game where the house always wins—until it doesn't. If we want to avoid a total meltdown, we need more than just temporary bailouts and empty promises from Washington. We need actual accountability and a fundamental restructuring of how these massive banks operate. Otherwise, we are simply waiting for the next domino to fall. It’s a grim outlook, certainly, but ignoring the reality of the situation won't make it any less true. One can only hope that those in power are actually looking at the data rather than just the quarterly projections.
Angela Wright Angela Wright Regular
731 messages
joined Feb 2007
#1939 ·
Keith Thompson said:You’re right about that—I caught on that neonpuma5 isn't actually from around here, but I still appreciated the input. It’s a fair point, though. Even if she's based elsewhere, there are plenty of medications used over there that we use here in the States too, and the advocacy groups know exactly how they work.🤷
To stay ahead of a weak immune system, I stick to a pretty strict preventative routine. I regularly drink elderflower tea and make sure to get my fix of fresh Shiitake mushrooms or capsules, along with Reishi supplements. Twice a year—specifically during the spring and summer—I commit to a six-week intensive cycle with Spirulina. Now, don't get me wrong; this isn't some magic shield that prevents me from catching a cold or getting sinus congestion when the weather turns. It’s about recovery. It ensures that once those symptoms hit, they don't linger for weeks on end.

My association just screened a documentary about Dr. Weber’s research and his journal, and honestly, it sparked such a heated debate that I’m still struggling to find the right words. It was intense. Unfortunately, the film is in German again, which makes it a bit of a hurdle. I’d love to hear what you think about it—if you can get through it, make sure to watch until the very end because there's an extra segment included. The sheer level of incompetence required to steer a massive financial institution straight into the ground is almost impressive, if it weren't so devastating for everyone involved. We’re looking at a textbook case of systemic failure where the people at the helm didn't just miss the signs—they ignored them while driving full speed toward a cliff. It’s like watching a captain steer a luxury liner directly into an iceberg because they were too busy arguing about the color of the deck chairs to notice the radar screaming warnings. When you look at the wreckage of this bankruptcy, it isn't just about bad math or a few unlucky trades. It’s about a fundamental breakdown in oversight and a culture that prioritized short-term greed over basic survival. You see it all the time in these high-stakes environments: the leadership builds a house of cards out of nothing but speculation and ego, convinced they've finally beaten the system, only to realize the system was just waiting for them to trip. It’s a grim reminder that when the institutions we rely on to hold our money start behaving like reckless gamblers at a Vegas blackjack table, the whole economy feels the hit. This wasn't some freak accident; it was an inevitable consequence of hubris meeting reality. Once the bubble bursts, there's no amount of clever accounting or damage control that can fix the fact that the foundation was rotten from day one.

Look, my friend, just take a look at that thread about lung cancer and see what they did to a guy who clearly had brain metastases. Forget about "medicine"—the people actually working in those hospitals are performing way below any acceptable standard of professionalism. It’s enough to make you want to just stand up and weep. They know the treatment protocols inside and out; there are countless studies available online for anyone to read. But what's the point? It’s all useless when politics starts dictating medical decisions regarding patient care.
When it comes to the film, I can't really weigh in—I don't speak German. 😢
Keith Thompson Keith Thompson Newcomer
3 messages
joined Jan 2009
#1940 ·
Angela Wright said:Honestly, my friend, just take a look at that thread regarding lung cancer; you’ll see exactly what they did to a man with clear brain metastases... forget about medication. In practice, the people working in some of these hospitals operate far below any acceptable standard of professionalism. It’s enough to make a person break down in tears. They know the treatment protocols perfectly well, and there are plenty of studies available online, but it’s all for nothing when politics starts influencing medical decisions regarding patient care.
As for the film, unfortunately, I can't offer a verdict since I don't speak German.😢

..I truly admire you and the rest of the team for having the stamina to deal with such blatant ignorance on this forum. Reading some of your threads, I almost get the impression you were specifically chosen for this task; congratulations.
If politics is simply an extension of special interests and lobbyists, there is no denying it—that's evidenced by both the millions of dollars flowing through the US healthcare system and Dr. Weber’s film. The movie actually provided answers to several questions I had. My next step will definitely be getting bloodwork done to check for parasites and fungi, following Dr. Weber's recommendations.
It's worth watching even if you don't speak German, at least until someone decides to provide a detailed translation.🙂

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