The Sexual Orientation Factor Thesis

Tackling a pretty heavy topic here: BISEXUALITY by Lucifer...

I decided to put together a quick poll to get a pulse on public opinion regarding the sexual orientation factor.

The question is simple: do you view homosexuality in both genders—lesbians and gay men—as being equally weighted, or do you see a distinction in how we approach those two groups? 🤷

If you decide to vote for a distinction, please leave a comment or a brief explanation of why you feel there's a difference. I actually want to hear the reasoning behind it. 👍

Ronald Rogers27

I don't quite grasp what they mean by a "weighty factor"...

not me 😕

What exactly do you mean by the weight factor?

Let me try rephrasing my survey to be clearer: do you feel the same way about female versus male sexual orientation, or do you view those two things differently? 🤷

Ronald Rogers27

Exactly.

just as much

Ronald Rogers27 said:What exactly do you mean by the weight factor?

Let me try rephrasing my survey to be clearer: do you feel the same way about female versus male sexual orientation, or do you view those two things differently? 🤷

Ronald Rogers27

Well, if that was the goal, why didn't you just ask it that way? 🤣
This whole "weighting factor" business just adds unnecessary baggage to the conversation.

Because, frankly, there are some of us here who don't see any particular weight or tragedy in the matter at all.

slypuma17 said:Well, if that was the goal, why didn't you just ask it that way? 🤣
This whole "weighting factor" business just adds unnecessary baggage to the conversation.

Because, frankly, there are some of us here who don't see any particular weight or tragedy in the matter at all.

Exactly! Honestly, I don't even get what people think needs to be 'accepted' here. 🤷

The way I see it—which is just pure logic, I guess—when two people fall in love, it’s about the FEELINGS they have for one another (which is pretty much the best thing ever 😍). When two people hug, kiss, or touch, it’s just lips and skin and... well, it's just being human 😍

So, as far as polls go: yeah, whatever 😁

slypuma17 said:Well, if that was the goal, why didn't you just ask it that way? 🤣
This whole "weighting factor" business just adds unnecessary baggage to the conversation.

Because, frankly, there are some of us here who don't see any particular weight or tragedy in the matter at all.

I mean, he's acting like some kind of philosopher here.🙂

Why would it be any different? 🤷 Both of them give me that same sense of unease, probably just because they’re such a departure from what’s considered "normal" or mainstream, but I don't have anything against them personally.

I suppose they're likely referring to the legal frameworks found in various developing nations across the globe
where men face imprisonment or even death for same-sex relationships, yet women can be just as affectionate with one another without any legal repercussions because their behavior isn't classified under that specific label. 😂

Beyond being underdeveloped, those regions often seem to struggle with quite a bit of hypocrisy as well.

🙄
The most important thing is that here in America, people of all sexual orientations can walk around openly, embracing one another without fear...

Andrew Sanchez572 said:🙄
The most important thing is that here in America, people of all sexual orientations can walk around openly, embracing one another without fear...

As if that were exclusive to us? 😁
It isn’t like that everywhere. Even in the most "liberal" American metropolises, the freedom to publicly display one's preferences is often confined to specific ghettoized districts within those cities—or perhaps just that little area we call "downtown," where there's usually enough police presence, surveillance cameras, and general protection to keep things contained. And that's about it.
Step outside those boundaries, and you're acting at your own risk, facing potentially dire consequences.

Still, I get the impression that lesbians tend to navigate society a bit more easily than gay men do; it seems like people look the other way much more frequently when it comes to them.

Why is it that homophobes practice this kind of discrimination? 🤷

slypuma17 said:As if that were exclusive to us? 😁
It isn’t like that everywhere. Even in the most "liberal" American metropolises, the freedom to publicly display one's preferences is often confined to specific ghettoized districts within those cities—or perhaps just that little area we call "downtown," where there's usually enough police presence, surveillance cameras, and general protection to keep things contained. And that's about it.
Step outside those boundaries, and you're acting at your own risk, facing potentially dire consequences.

Still, I get the impression that lesbians tend to navigate society a bit more easily than gay men do; it seems like people look the other way much more frequently when it comes to them.

Why is it that homophobes practice this kind of discrimination? 🤷

I guess that last part was probably just a rhetorical question, but whatever, it doesn't matter:

Assuming most die-hard homophobes are male: it's because two women together are seen as "sexy" (especially if some guy thinks he can wedge himself in), so they don't even take it seriously (like it isn't actual homosexuality... or like there aren't real feelings involved... but honestly, homophobes don't even think about homosexuals as PEOPLE who FEEL things for one another...). Meanwhile, two guys together are supposedly "the most disgusting and unnatural thing in the world." Here's the psychology behind it: two women being together doesn't THREATEN a homophobe's masculinity at all; if anything, it just HIGHLIGHTS it. But two men? That's a direct threat to how they perceive themselves and their own manhood. So, I guess, deep down, homophobes are actually super insecure about their own masculinity/sexuality, and gay guys just mirror back a part of themselves they'd never admit to (mostly to themselves, let alone anyone else). To them, gay people are a direct threat to their masculinity. So, for those homophobes, "attack" is basically their best defense.

northernangler17 said:I guess that last part was probably just a rhetorical question, but whatever, it doesn't matter:

Assuming most die-hard homophobes are male: it's because two women together are seen as "sexy" (especially if some guy thinks he can wedge himself in), so they don't even take it seriously (like it isn't actual homosexuality... or like there aren't real feelings involved... but honestly, homophobes don't even think about homosexuals as PEOPLE who FEEL things for one another...). Meanwhile, two guys together are supposedly "the most disgusting and unnatural thing in the world." Here's the psychology behind it: two women being together doesn't THREATEN a homophobe's masculinity at all; if anything, it just HIGHLIGHTS it. But two men? That's a direct threat to how they perceive themselves and their own manhood. So, I guess, deep down, homophobes are actually super insecure about their own masculinity/sexuality, and gay guys just mirror back a part of themselves they'd never admit to (mostly to themselves, let alone anyone else). To them, gay people are a direct threat to their masculinity. So, for those homophobes, "attack" is basically their best defense.

What if someone is actually totally indifferent toward gay people, but they just play the homophobe role just to mess with those weak-willed liberals?😕 😢

Quote : Articles of Faith

slypuma17 said:As if that were exclusive to us? 😁
It isn’t like that everywhere. Even in the most "liberal" American metropolises, the freedom to publicly display one's preferences is often confined to specific ghettoized districts within those cities—or perhaps just that little area we call "downtown," where there's usually enough police presence, surveillance cameras, and general protection to keep things contained. And that's about it.
Step outside those boundaries, and you're acting at your own risk, facing potentially dire consequences.

Still, I get the impression that lesbians tend to navigate society a bit more easily than gay men do; it seems like people look the other way much more frequently when it comes to them.

Why is it that homophobes practice this kind of discrimination? 🤷

Well, you have to realize that in certain major American metropolises, marriage equality is a reality, and there are plenty of dedicated clubs or even just neighborhoods that are incredibly gay-friendly. You can walk down the street in places like Berlin or Amsterdam and kiss your partner without anyone giving you a second glance... It’s certainly not like it is everywhere else in the country.

Quote : Articles of Faith

Henry Williams said:What if someone is actually totally indifferent toward gay people, but they just play the homophobe role just to mess with those weak-willed liberals?😕 😢

Then that would just be called a troll.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Quote : Articles of Faith

Well, you have to realize that in certain major American metropolises, marriage equality is a reality, and there are plenty of dedicated clubs or even just neighborhoods that are incredibly gay-friendly. You can walk down the street in places like Berlin or Amsterdam and kiss your partner without anyone giving you a second glance... It’s certainly not like it is everywhere else in the country.

Quote : Articles of Faith

Then that would just be called a troll.

But let’s be realistic: not the entirety of Berlin is a stroll through hand-holding bliss, especially once you step outside those specific bubbles. Sure, maybe on Kurfürstendamm, but just a few miles further out? Not a chance. The same logic applies to Paris, or any other major metropolitan hub.
Tolerance is something we are still moving toward, not something we have already conquered, despite what some people might claim.

As for the homophobes—without getting too specific because I honestly can't fathom their headspace—they could really stand to use a bit of common sense.

How can anyone harbor hatred for people who pose absolutely zero competition to them?
These men should actually be feeling quite satisfied that more women will be available to them, given that "those types" aren't interested in competing for that same pool. 🤷
There is also zero risk of a wife leaving them for a man like that, or catching them in bed with her.
Yet, they seem even more tolerant toward lesbians, even though those are women who, theoretically, would be available to them! 😵

I simply cannot wrap my head around these people, no matter how hard I try. I can almost follow the twisted internal logic of fascists, but this... this is just baffling.
🤷

Henry Williams said:What if someone is actually totally indifferent toward gay people, but they just play the homophobe role just to mess with those weak-willed liberals?😕 😢

I guess I'd call that person a 'weakling,' not the others 😉

( clearly they've got some kind of complex where they 'provoke' people just to feel better about themselves. Like, 'stronger' or 'superior,' whatever. )

slypuma17 said:But let’s be realistic: not the entirety of Berlin is a stroll through hand-holding bliss, especially once you step outside those specific bubbles. Sure, maybe on Kurfürstendamm, but just a few miles further out? Not a chance. The same logic applies to Paris, or any other major metropolitan hub.
Tolerance is something we are still moving toward, not something we have already conquered, despite what some people might claim.

As for the homophobes—without getting too specific because I honestly can't fathom their headspace—they could really stand to use a bit of common sense.

How can anyone harbor hatred for people who pose absolutely zero competition to them?
These men should actually be feeling quite satisfied that more women will be available to them, given that "those types" aren't interested in competing for that same pool. 🤷
There is also zero risk of a wife leaving them for a man like that, or catching them in bed with her.
Yet, they seem even more tolerant toward lesbians, even though those are women who, theoretically, would be available to them! 😵

I simply cannot wrap my head around these people, no matter how hard I try. I can almost follow the twisted internal logic of fascists, but this... this is just baffling.
🤷

Well, you can't understand them because you just don't have that specific mental wiring. I guess the main thing to realize is how the way we were raised—how we basically soaked everything up like sponges as kids—shapes our entire lives, our worldview, how we act, and how we handle relationships, both with others and ourselves. See, the point is that sexuality, ESPECIALLY sexual orientation factor, was always kept hidden from kids... children never even got the chance to see two people of the same gender being affectionate or kissing or whatever. Because kids RECOGNIZE love and they FEEL it. So, if you show a kid who hasn't been conditioned yet two men or two women kissing and loving each other, it would just be INTERESTING to them, not weird. It would be new—just like everything else they see in this world—because kids learn through conditioning. It’s the same deal with most people growing up in families where homosexuality is treated as a "taboo," and when it is mentioned, it's always in a negative light. It isn't just about the family, though—it's about the whole world (which, obviously, exists because every single person is RAISED in a certain way—paradoxical, I know, but you can't have one without the other) and the general "vibe" out there. And the vibe is such that people automatically DISMISS anything that is "generally accepted" as unnatural and gross. PERIOD. People, because it's UNKNOWN and STRANGE to them, automatically start fearing it and want to push "that" away—mostly because they are terrified for their own sense of "normalcy." They're so scared of being unloved by anyone that they reflexively shove things into the "normal" box just because they think it guarantees acceptance. And then what happens? People refuse to THINK. They refuse to allow themselves EMPATHY. They refuse to ask, "Wait a second, isn't this just falling in love? Aren't they just... people? How would I feel in their shoes?" Like, if I fell for someone of the same sex against my will, those feelings would feel NATURAL (!). So isn't it actually unnatural to go against your own nature? It's just that the whole concept of homosexuality is so controversial to them that they don't even bother thinking deeper about it. If they did, they'd reach this incredible, yet incredibly BARELY-NOTICED realization: "Wait, what's actually so weird about this?" Because seriously, I mean it: what is actually so weird?

northernangler17 said:I guess I'd call that person a 'weakling,' not the others 😉

( clearly they've got some kind of complex where they 'provoke' people just to feel better about themselves. Like, 'stronger' or 'superior,' whatever. )

I have to admit, sometimes stirring the pot can be a lot of fun.🙂
Most liberals are just spineless people with zero backbone.
Especially those "soft" types you see all over the coasts.