Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

It just doesn't make any sense anymore; in some municipalities, they’re handing out permits left and right, but in others, you can't even get one for a basic monthly supply run. These e-permits are still being debated by local town councils, so I doubt we'll ever see any actual consistency. I own property in a nearby city, and I'm not about to drive out there just to plant flowers or deal with other useless tasks—I have more relevant things to attend to. So, how am I supposed to show my credentials on an e-permit now? How much is seasonal landscaping actually justified? Or how much is repairing water pipes considered legitimate if they were just recently flagged as faulty?
Do you guys have any experience dealing with this kind of thing?

Grace Ramos said:Is anyone actually home alone without someone else to grab groceries or meds for them? (Look, I think most of these people are just irresponsible morons, but take me as an example: if I went to my residence and got slapped with a 14-day isolation, I’d have two choices—pay the fines or starve, because I live alone and wouldn't have food.)

The real culprits are the ones who let skiers, doctors, and everyone else bring the infection in from abroad.

My wife was at home with our little one, who was dealing with a nasty case of appendicitis. He was doubling over in pain, just absolutely miserable. We tried calling emergency services, but they were being incredibly difficult about coming out. She actually had to get creative and find a workaround just to make sure he could get to the hospital without her breaking her own self-isolation protocols. It was a stressful situation, but we managed to get him the care he needed.
If someone really wants an excuse, they’ll always find one.

The real culprits here? It’s the people who let skiers, doctors, and all those other groups just wander in and bring the infection back with them from out of state.

Exactly. It’s just like those same idiots who brought the virus home because they couldn't be bothered to actually follow self-isolation protocols, even though they knew exactly where they had been.

Joshua Gray75 said:Božinović mentioned something later about how they are "monitoring the situation on the ground" and are aware of the issue regarding "multiple municipalities—meaning, finding a way to link several areas together"... he didn't say it word for word, obviously, but that was the gist of it. Perhaps there is still a chance they will show some flexibility so that movement isn't strictly confined to just one municipality at a time...

So, there you have it. Let's try to stay optimistic! 😉👍

And a quick note to the handful of people living in Washington, D.C. who don't see anything wrong with these restrictions—I’d suggest you pack your bags and move to North Korea. It sounds like your kind of paradise.
(And yes, hollowmason64, that goes for you too...)

Yeah, I know—I’ll probably get a warning for this. Or maybe even a ban for a few days... Not that it matters much, I spend far too much time on here anyway... 😁

It’s really not that big of a deal. Honestly, looking at how much everyone is struggling, I’d be happy to send all of you over to work the jobs I have to deal with. You know, those roles where you actually have to interact with people face-to-face, where you're constantly wrapped up in gear, and where you're basically forced to wash your hands in alcohol just to make sure you don't accidentally pass a virus onto a water bottle because you forgot you were wearing gloves. It's definitely an experience.
Just wanted to share this so you guys can see how awesome it actually is.

Nicholas King said:What is the actual purpose behind this measure? What are we even doing here?

The only supposed justification for this ban was to prevent a mass exodus from Washington, D.C., particularly following the earthquake. And honestly, one could argue about that reasoning for quite some time.

But, I think a much better approach would have been—instead of all this massive administrative bloat and wasted manpower trying to regulate things that simply can't be regulated (or will just sort themselves out anyway)—to focus strictly on monitoring those actually in self-isolation.

From the very limited experience I have, this "monitoring" usually consists of nothing more than a single, one-off police check. I’m not saying there aren't outliers, of course, but this kind of superficial "check" shouldn't even be happening, let alone being treated as a standard procedure.

It is a fundamentally excessive measure that does more harm than good. In these kinds of prolonged, psychologically taxing situations, you really have to be careful not to push people too far. This specific policy has succeeded only in driving a huge number of people absolutely crazy.

The (un)controlled spread of the virus through social contact

From the limited experience I have, this "supervision" consists of a one-time police check. I'm not saying there aren't other cases, but this superficial kind of "check" shouldn't be happening at all, let alone becoming common practice.

It is both necessary and frequent, provided there's a clear warning to anyone in isolation that they will face rigorous sanctions if they break the rules.

This measure has succeeded in pissing off a huge number of people.

Most people actually understand why these measures exist and are following them; only a small minority of irresponsible individuals are going to get pissed off.

They are doing it for those same irresponsible (to put it mildly) people who cause the infection to spread and the numbers to climb. Honestly, why should the reasonable majority—those actually following the rules—have to suffer the consequences of an irrational minority's behavior?

If you ask me, I’d implement absolute control. Anyone breaking these rules should be thrown into prison isolation without mercy, forced to watch 24/7 footage of sick people struggling for breath on ventilators, and the endless rows of coffins waiting for a decent burial (like in Spain, if I recall correctly, where they were stacking bodies in underground garages).

Has anyone managed to get a pass to visit a girlfriend or boyfriend living in another city? I think I can handle this if it only lasts another month or two, but if this drags on until the fall, I just can't deal with being locked down so much that I can't see the person I love.

hollowmason64 said:My wife was at home with our little one, who was dealing with a nasty case of appendicitis. He was doubling over in pain, just absolutely miserable. We tried calling emergency services, but they were being incredibly difficult about coming out. She actually had to get creative and find a workaround just to make sure he could get to the hospital without her breaking her own self-isolation protocols. It was a stressful situation, but we managed to get him the care he needed.
If someone really wants an excuse, they’ll always find one.

The real culprits here? It’s the people who let skiers, doctors, and all those other groups just wander in and bring the infection back with them from out of state.

Exactly. It’s just like those same idiots who brought the virus home because they couldn't be bothered to actually follow self-isolation protocols, even though they knew exactly where they had been.

It’s really not that big of a deal. Honestly, looking at how much everyone is struggling, I’d be happy to send all of you over to work the jobs I have to deal with. You know, those roles where you actually have to interact with people face-to-face, where you're constantly wrapped up in gear, and where you're basically forced to wash your hands in alcohol just to make sure you don't accidentally pass a virus onto a water bottle because you forgot you were wearing gloves. It's definitely an experience.
Just wanted to share this so you guys can see how awesome it actually is.

It’s perfectly clear to me that someone working under the conditions you’re describing is going to be pissed off at everything, but that still doesn't give them any right to label everyone who thinks these measures are excessive or unenforceable as "those people who find it so hard and miserable at home."

We are talking about a banal fact—one that isn't exactly obvious if you're looking at it from a Washington, D.C. perspective—that people traveling for completely legitimate business reasons, or even totally valid personal ones, end up crossing through three or more different counties just to cover ten or fifteen miles. So, it’s not because they’re bored, and it’s certainly not because they’re trying to dodge a wife waiting for them at home; it’s due to legitimate life circumstances. There are very few idiots out there who would mess around under these conditions, and those folks can be dealt with separately.

Even if the police were standing on every corner ready to shoot anyone who stepped out of their front door, your specific working conditions wouldn't change. Therefore, I fail to see what connection your (admittedly unenviable) situation has to whether or not movement should be restricted.

Equally, I don't understand what connection someone's survival struggles from the nineties have to the legitimacy of today's restrictions—though a few people have used that exact logic to argue that today's bans are total nonsense.

Nicholas King said:What is the actual purpose behind this measure? What are we even doing here?

The only supposed justification for this ban was to prevent a mass exodus from Washington, D.C., particularly following the earthquake. And honestly, one could argue about that reasoning for quite some time.

But, I think a much better approach would have been—instead of all this massive administrative bloat and wasted manpower trying to regulate things that simply can't be regulated (or will just sort themselves out anyway)—to focus strictly on monitoring those actually in self-isolation.

From the very limited experience I have, this "monitoring" usually consists of nothing more than a single, one-off police check. I’m not saying there aren't outliers, of course, but this kind of superficial "check" shouldn't even be happening, let alone being treated as a standard procedure.

It is a fundamentally excessive measure that does more harm than good. In these kinds of prolonged, psychologically taxing situations, you really have to be careful not to push people too far. This specific policy has succeeded only in driving a huge number of people absolutely crazy.

Setting up those 5G towers and running all these network tests? Yeah, that’s the real reason we even have this whole Corona mess. Seriously, people, stop being sheep—these so-called shepherds aren't about to let you just sit comfortably in your homes while they pull the strings.

rustywalker42 said:And what if they just limited things at the county level instead?

Think about it. You end up needing X number of checkpoints for every single municipality—if it’s a major city, you're easily looking at 10. For the smaller towns, you still need at least 2.

Now multiply all that by every municipality in one state and tell me: wouldn't it have been way easier just to lock down the whole state if that was even the goal?

They should have just limited restrictions to municipalities established before '93 or kept them centered around police precinct hubs. In my neck of the woods, what used to be one single municipality split into a city and four separate townships. Everything we actually need—banks, shopping malls, the health clinic, social services, police stations—it all stayed within the city limits. If they had just allowed movement within that immediate area, there wouldn't be any need to issue ten different permits just to step outside...

The other day, I was watching this talk show where some viewer was dead serious, explaining how inhaling lavender and chamomile essence sanitizes your respiratory system. I honestly thought I wouldn't run into such blatant nonsense for quite a while—but then, in a single day, it hits you all at once: first, I’m reading some colleague questioning why we even bother with public health warnings when there’s always an antibiotic like Sumamed available, and now, here you come with your theories about 5G networks.

Justin Phillips15 said:Has anyone managed to get a pass to visit a girlfriend or boyfriend living in another city? I think I can handle this if it only lasts another month or two, but if this drags on until the fall, I just can't deal with being locked down so much that I can't see the person I love.

Nope. I reached out on Monday and gave them the straight story just to see how they handle things, but they shot me down—said my reason wasn't "valid" enough for a pass. It didn't even matter that we haven't traveled at all and have been following every single rule since day one. Neither I nor my guy are in isolation, we haven't been near anyone sketchy, and honestly, we don't even have a sniffle, let alone actual symptoms.
I'm not asking for some pass to go wandering around aimlessly. I just want permission to get from point A to point B so I can stay somewhere for a set amount of time.
And yeah, I agree with what you said—we might survive a month or two, but if this keeps up... I mean, we can't all just live in long-distance relationships for 12-18 months or longer.

So, yeah, who knows. I'm hoping someone actually got lucky or will soon—if you do, please drop a line and let us know.

The 5G network is way more dangerous than Corona.

But hey, I’m holding out hope that the sheeple will finally evolve and actually start using their brains, though honestly, there's next to zero chance of that happening.

How could you possibly not get it? Being with someone you love isn't exactly a matter of life or death (sarcasm)

Susan Barrett2 said:Nope. I reached out on Monday and gave them the straight story just to see how they handle things, but they shot me down—said my reason wasn't "valid" enough for a pass. It didn't even matter that we haven't traveled at all and have been following every single rule since day one. Neither I nor my guy are in isolation, we haven't been near anyone sketchy, and honestly, we don't even have a sniffle, let alone actual symptoms.
I'm not asking for some pass to go wandering around aimlessly. I just want permission to get from point A to point B so I can stay somewhere for a set amount of time.
And yeah, I agree with what you said—we might survive a month or two, but if this keeps up... I mean, we can't all just live in long-distance relationships for 12-18 months or longer.

So, yeah, who knows. I'm hoping someone actually got lucky or will soon—if you do, please drop a line and let us know.

Some people aren't even getting permits for basic errands, much less for something like this! It's pretty pathetic that there aren't any uniform criteria for issuing these passes. In one place, you might get approved for the reason you gave, but in another, you won't. It's the same deal with being allowed to go to the grocery store or the bank—some people get the green light, and others don't.

hollowmason64 said:No, I'm not on the government payroll; my paycheck comes from a private employer. They're international, if you're curious. I actually carry a work permit because of it, too.
I’d honestly give you everything I have, including my salary—and trust me, it’s not a bad paycheck. Think of it like having an all-access pass with zero limits; you could basically travel all across the country, from coast to coast, and just feast your way through every single state.😁Honestly, if it were an option, I’d take that deal in a heartbeat—I'd gladly step in and sit at home for you instead. I’d just live off your income and stick to shopping at the local grocery stores. I'm not being dramatic or trying to sell you some sob story here; I genuinely mean it.
I’m actually home right now because it's finally my turn for vacation. And honestly, believe it or not, I haven't even stepped foot outside the house once since I got back this week. Just the thought of it makes me feel a bit nauseous—knowing that my turn comes up again in just two weeks and I'll have to go right back to wearing masks and gloves.
I posted here about a week ago—honestly, it feels like you guys don't have the slightest clue what it's actually like trying to work under these circumstances, especially when most of your job involves being face-to-face with people. You're constantly stuck wondering if you're going to catch something. But for you all, sitting at home sounds like the real struggle. Poor things.

It’s because we’ve turned into such spoiled, comfortable pieces of crap. We’ve reached this point where we feel entitled to have every single variety of everything right at our fingertips, like everything in life just needs to be instantly available whenever we want it.
Yesterday, a friend of mine from Canada was telling me that things feel even worse right now than they did during the war—back when everything around her was exploding and gunfire was going off, and she honestly couldn't tell who was on her side or if people were still alive or dead.
I ended up just sending her packing, straight to hell.

It’s a perfectly reasonable solution for anyone actually thinking straight. But let's be clear—it isn't the sensible people causing the headache, nor are these measures being implemented because of them. It’s all because of those idiots who thought they could just hop over from Split to Solin for a quick coffee or vice versa using fake passes. That kind of behavior is exactly why we're stuck dealing with these new permit requirements in the first place.
Look, here’s the deal regarding that pass for property maintenance. It’s become a matter of survival at this point, honestly. I don't think anyone's going to be able to catch a break or have any peace of mind for at least another month or two.
It always seems like the level-headed people are the ones getting screwed over because of everyone else. Honestly, it’s the exact same story here.

That's just your take. My neighbor works at Bipa; she had two grueling weeks of work and can barely wait to get back after her week of vacation. She's miserable sitting at home—and it's not like she's just slacking off at Bipa without any customer contact.

In reality, when she's working, her life is identical to how it was before, except her kid is home—but her dad is there too, so no worries there.
The last thing she wants is to skip work.
And she pities everyone who gets to stay home.🤣

hollowviper said:Some people aren't even getting permits for basic errands, much less for something like this! It's pretty pathetic that there aren't any uniform criteria for issuing these passes. In one place, you might get approved for the reason you gave, but in another, you won't. It's the same deal with being allowed to go to the grocery store or the bank—some people get the green light, and others don't.

I'm right there with you—it's wild that we're all just waiting on some random bureaucrat to decide what counts as "essential" for our lives.

electricbadger89 said:How could you possibly not get it? Being with someone you love isn't exactly a matter of life or death (sarcasm)

Fine, sarcasm accepted.
Look, I get that it doesn't matter much to some random third party, but for those of us actually putting in the work and trying to build something real? Yeah, it matters.

They shot down my request too, and they didn't even bother giving me a reason why. Honestly, whatever, if I need to head out, I'm going. They haven't caught me yet, and I'm really hoping they don't, but if they do decide to pull me over, they can try and hit me with a fine for all it matters to me.

The local gas station outside my town handles all the e-cig liquid supplies. I ordered some online, but it didn't show up when promised—the one just 2.5 miles from my place... so now what? Just go around bothering people to buy stuff for you?

wiredbison272 said:They shot down my request too, and they didn't even bother giving me a reason why. Honestly, whatever, if I need to head out, I'm going. They haven't caught me yet, and I'm really hoping they don't, but if they do decide to pull me over, they can try and hit me with a fine for all it matters to me.

When—or if—that judge's ruling on the fine actually shows up at your front door, what then? What's the plan? Are you just going to stop breathing? Start kicking your feet in protest? Close your eyes and pray you don't exist? Or maybe just complain about it all the way to the top of the food chain?

I am genuinely curious, though—what do these "I-don't-care-about-rules!!!!1!" heroes actually intend to do when their little displays of bravado are finally put to the test?

I have a question for anyone who might happen to know the specifics regarding pass issuance: here’s the situation—I don't actually live at my registered primary residence, even though my job is located in that same city. I’m currently living in a neighboring town, and I need a pass just to commute to work. Is it possible for my employer to issue one? When I use the online portal to apply, it asks me to enter an address; can I simply input the address where I am actually staying, even if it doesn't match what's on my ID?
By the way, I realize I’m entirely to blame for not updating my official address sooner, but hey, it is what it is. 😵

wiredbison272 said:They shot down my request too, and they didn't even bother giving me a reason why. Honestly, whatever, if I need to head out, I'm going. They haven't caught me yet, and I'm really hoping they don't, but if they do decide to pull me over, they can try and hit me with a fine for all it matters to me.

Are you hitting up the small towns or did you actually manage to pull it off in the city?