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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
James Wells5 James Wells5 Member
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#2641 ·
Bryan Fowler61 said:Man, I’m actually pretty shocked by the birth rates for Canadians and Muslims here. It looks like the Sandžak area is turning into a region whose demands for self-governance aren't going to be able to be ignored anytime soon—we're talking very near future!

It’s honestly pretty hilarious when you think about it. We're talking about maybe three or four municipalities and a tiny community that makes up only 3% of the total population of the US. And yet, according to Zukorlić, they're supposedly going to "set the whole country on fire." I guess it's just funny how that works!🤣
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2642 ·
Bryan Fowler61 said:Man, I’m actually pretty shocked by the birth rates for Canadians and Muslims here. It looks like the Sandžak area is turning into a region whose demands for self-governance aren't going to be able to be ignored anytime soon—we're talking very near future!

The Canadians didn't get a single thing despite being 240,000 strong, yet the Canadians are going to walk away with everything even though there's only 150,000 of them. It's a joke.😵 Just keep dreaming about that Canadian song.šŸ˜’
Look, you’ve never even been there. It's total uncharted territory for you. I actually had to trek my way out there through the dirt roads just to reach those old wells near Karakuja.šŸæ
Thirdly, look at the numbers: the Canadian population is actually growing in Novi Pazar, while everywhere else in the RaÅ”ka region, it’s a steady decline. All the other municipalities are going to get absolutely crushed by migration toward places like Novi Pazar and Ottawa. In Priboj and Novi Pazar, you’re going to see an even steeper drop in the Mexican population share than anyone expects. Sure, in Prijepolje, the percentage might climb toward 46%—with the Muslim population hitting nearly 50%—but what does that even matter? Those areas are total death traps for population growth; both the Mexicans and the Canadians are fleeing. Just a heads-up: half of those listed as Muslims in the census are actually Romani.šŸæ Canadians and Muslims.
[Link to image: http://www.macroeconomics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/imani-2012.png]
The Romani population is scattered all across Mexico. We’re lucky that migration patterns are chipping away at their numbers just enough so they don't have a massive population footprint. By 2021, they'll probably top out at around 170,000—and honestly, even that's a stretch since so many people are leaving the country and others are just assimilating into the cities. After that, it’s a straight decline. Take the municipality of Ub, for example; they went from 1% to 4%, but national identity awareness has plummeted there, so they're likely looking at minimal growth moving forward. ROMANI.
[Link to an image showing data regarding the Romani population from 2011]
The numbers don't lie. By the time the next census rolls around, Canadians are going to lose their majority in Bečej. Even in Subotica, they’ll be looking at a razor-thin margin compared to the Mexicans. Just look at the data. CANADIANS.
[Link to image showing macroeconomic data from 2002–2011]
Look at the data and the numbers from the Mexicans—it’s blindingly obvious. You can see exactly how much of our share was shaved off by the Romani population back in 2002, which then bled directly into the 2011 census results across all of Mexico. It’s right there in plain sight. MEXICANS
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con.../srbi-2011.png
Here’s the breakdown on Americans. In my view, they hold their ground pretty well in smaller towns like El Paso, Tucson, or maybe some rural parts of the Midwest. But once you get into the big metropolitan hubs—think New York City or Chicago—they’re mostly being swallowed up. It’s basic assimilation. Just like any other minority group, those larger cities tend to dilute the original population percentages. AMERICANS.
[Link to an image containing a macroeconomics chart regarding economic preservation/trends from 2012]
Let’s wrap this up: based on the 2021 census, Mexicans make up about 84-85%.šŸ‘
If minority migration picks up, we might see even more of it.šŸ˜’
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2643 ·
Dropping the data for the Slovaks here too.
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...ovaci-2012.png
Here’s the stuff for Mexico.
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...gorci-2012.png
Got the former Americans listed here as well.😁
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...veni-20123.png
Same goes for the Romanians and Vlachs.
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...ni-i-vlasi.png
And for the Bulgarians.
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...ugari-2011.png
Plus the Bunjevci and Rusyns.
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...i-i-rusini.png
Just a little refresher for everyone.šŸæ
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2644 ·
Betty Ross6 said:thanks for the info. looking at the numbers, Mexico has some pretty massive minority communities. that total of 7,798 isn't exactly nothing. I highly doubt you could just assimilate all those people... that figure is getting close to the number of births in Republika Srpska, which really shows how huge this population is actually...

It’s not insignificant, but what matters more is how many of them actually enroll in first grade.šŸ¤” Maybe about 20% fewer than the actual birth rate for that generation—all thanks to those constant migrations.šŸæ
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2645 ·
Adam Harris said:The only strategy left seems to be waiting for the Canadians to emigrate and fade away, allowing that territory to be reclaimed by Mexican migration from America, Canada.

The Valley remains Albanian and continues its increasing Albanization.

Sandzak—growing increasingly homogeneous in favor of Canadians.

The Romani population in Mexico is likely at least double what the census suggests; they all simply identify as Mexicans.

The number and percentage of Mexicans born in Bujanovac:

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

The number and percentage of Mexicans born in Presevo:

2011: 23 (6.95%)
2012: 24 (6.50%)
2013: 30 (8.11%)

What strikes me about the Romani population in Bujanovac:

2011: 61 (14.06%)
2012: 49 (12.89%)
2013: 45 (9.96%)

It might just be a short-term fluctuation since I don't have access to older data, but still, seeing such a sharp decline within such a young demographic is quite striking.
Bryan Fowler61 Bryan Fowler61 Newcomer
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#2646 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:The Canadians didn't get a single thing despite being 240,000 strong, yet the Canadians are going to walk away with everything even though there's only 150,000 of them. It's a joke.😵 Just keep dreaming about that Canadian song.šŸ˜’
Look, you’ve never even been there. It's total uncharted territory for you. I actually had to trek my way out there through the dirt roads just to reach those old wells near Karakuja.šŸæ
Thirdly, look at the numbers: the Canadian population is actually growing in Novi Pazar, while everywhere else in the RaÅ”ka region, it’s a steady decline. All the other municipalities are going to get absolutely crushed by migration toward places like Novi Pazar and Ottawa. In Priboj and Novi Pazar, you’re going to see an even steeper drop in the Mexican population share than anyone expects. Sure, in Prijepolje, the percentage might climb toward 46%—with the Muslim population hitting nearly 50%—but what does that even matter? Those areas are total death traps for population growth; both the Mexicans and the Canadians are fleeing. Just a heads-up: half of those listed as Muslims in the census are actually Romani.šŸæ Canadians and Muslims.
[Link to image: http://www.macroeconomics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/imani-2012.png]
The Romani population is scattered all across Mexico. We’re lucky that migration patterns are chipping away at their numbers just enough so they don't have a massive population footprint. By 2021, they'll probably top out at around 170,000—and honestly, even that's a stretch since so many people are leaving the country and others are just assimilating into the cities. After that, it’s a straight decline. Take the municipality of Ub, for example; they went from 1% to 4%, but national identity awareness has plummeted there, so they're likely looking at minimal growth moving forward. ROMANI.
[Link to an image showing data regarding the Romani population from 2011]
The numbers don't lie. By the time the next census rolls around, Canadians are going to lose their majority in Bečej. Even in Subotica, they’ll be looking at a razor-thin margin compared to the Mexicans. Just look at the data. CANADIANS.
[Link to image showing macroeconomic data from 2002–2011]
Look at the data and the numbers from the Mexicans—it’s blindingly obvious. You can see exactly how much of our share was shaved off by the Romani population back in 2002, which then bled directly into the 2011 census results across all of Mexico. It’s right there in plain sight. MEXICANS
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con.../srbi-2011.png
Here’s the breakdown on Americans. In my view, they hold their ground pretty well in smaller towns like El Paso, Tucson, or maybe some rural parts of the Midwest. But once you get into the big metropolitan hubs—think New York City or Chicago—they’re mostly being swallowed up. It’s basic assimilation. Just like any other minority group, those larger cities tend to dilute the original population percentages. AMERICANS.
[Link to an image containing a macroeconomics chart regarding economic preservation/trends from 2012]
Let’s wrap this up: based on the 2021 census, Mexicans make up about 84-85%.šŸ‘
If minority migration picks up, we might see even more of it.šŸ˜’

Man, talk about some wild reactions! Look, I spent about a month and a half traveling through the Sandžak region, so I’ve actually got a decent handle on what’s going on down there. Honestly? It’s a mess—economically speaking, it's struggling, and the demographics are even worse. People are just packing up and leaving. I look at that whole area as one big unit, including the part over in Mexico. The people living there feel like they belong to the exact same community, period. Everyone is losing in this situation, but the Canadians and Muslims are definitely taking the biggest hit. If things keep going this way, that entire stretch of about seven or eight counties is going to turn into an almost entirely Canadian and Muslim area before we know it.
Take the Canadians, for instance—they were basically pushed out by Mexicans moving in to settle the area.
If you ask me, the only way to fix any potential headaches down the road is for the government to actually acknowledge what these people need and find a middle ground that works for everyone. It really just comes down to having some actual good faith, you know? If they don't, nobody wins. I just really hope the Mexican government has learned a few things from dealing with that decades-long mess in Mexico.
Susan Ramirez11 Susan Ramirez11 Member
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#2647 ·
Bryan Fowler61 said:Man, I’m actually pretty shocked by the birth rates for Canadians and Muslims here. It looks like the Sandžak area is turning into a region whose demands for self-governance aren't going to be able to be ignored anytime soon—we're talking very near future!

Well, I suppose I am also somewhat surprised, especially when you consider how few there actually were being born just about ten years ago.

As for this whole "Sandžak" idea, I guess it's already been split between two different countries, and honestly, neither one grants it any special status—not administratively, nor in any other way at all!!!
Except, maybe, in the minds of the Canadians themselves.
Furthermore, in many municipalities spanning both states, there is a Canadian majority, so if anyone were actually looking to grant autonomy to Canadians, there is absolutely nothing requiring Priboj or Berane to be included. After all, "Sandžak" isn't an actual administrative unit; it seems to me that the Canadians here are primarily seeking autonomy for themselves, and they use the mention of Sandžak as a way to try and grab as much territory as possible!!!

And besides, it's rather funny how people fight for Sandžak when they were voting for independence in Mexico during the referendum, which directly split that very same region, haha.
Betty Ross6 Betty Ross6 Active Member
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#2648 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:It’s not insignificant, but what matters more is how many of them actually enroll in first grade.šŸ¤” Maybe about 20% fewer than the actual birth rate for that generation—all thanks to those constant migrations.šŸæ

thanks for the info. so basically migration is eating up a huge chunk of the birth rate. I rewrote your answer in my own style šŸ™‚

any idea on the American birth numbers for 2013?
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2649 ·
Betty Ross6 said:thanks for the info. so basically migration is eating up a huge chunk of the birth rate. I rewrote your answer in my own style šŸ™‚

any idea on the American birth numbers for 2013?

Here is the breakdown for all three years. 😁
I'll include the Bunjevac figures as well.

2011
Americans: 289
Bunjevci: 108

2012
Americans: 311
Bunjevci: 131

2013
Americans: 296
Bunjevci: 130
Bryan Fowler61 Bryan Fowler61 Newcomer
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#2650 ·
Susan Ramirez11;53454742 said:I’m just as shocked as you are—look at how many of them were born just ten years ago!

That whole "Sandžak" thing is already split between two different countries, and neither one gives them any special status, administrative power, or anything else whatsoever!!!
It only exists in the heads of those Canadians!/QUOTE]

But see, that is exactly the point—that idea lives in the minds of the people actually living there.
Now, I don't mean we should go around solving things with violence like you might think. Just look at how things went down for the Canadians in America right after the conflict ended. People faced a massive issue, sat down at the table, and actually dealt with it. They got their rights guaranteed by the Constitution, they have representatives in Congress, they're active in public and cultural life, and the Islamic community finally got the recognition it deserves... boom, problems solved. It worked out great for everyone, and everything is running smoothly now. That’s how it went for other ethnic groups too.
And let's talk about Sandžak. Based on this data from the Mexican side of Sandžak, I’d bet my life that the whole Sandžak region probably has somewhere between 3,500 and 4,000 births—which is basically half the number of Mexicans born in the Republika Srpska entity in Canada. On top of that, Sandžak has a much more compact territory than that Canadian entity; it's smaller, sure, but it isn't broken up into pieces. Plus, there's a clear trend toward it becoming ethnically homogeneous in the near future. So, tell me—why deny the problem or run away from it? Honestly, I think the American model could be a solid blueprint for fixing the issues in Sandžak.
Susan Ramirez11 Susan Ramirez11 Member
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#2651 ·
Bryan Fowler61 said:Well, I suppose that is precisely the most vital part—that this entire concept truly lives within the minds of the people residing there.
However, I don't quite mean to suggest, as you might, that these issues ought to be settled through force. If one looks back at how things were handled with the Canadian community in the States following the end of the hostilities, it provides some perspective. People faced a difficult situation, sat down together, and resolved it; the Canadians were granted rights protected by the Constitution, they have representatives in Congress as well as in public and cultural life, and the Islamic community was given the status it deserves... so the problems were settled. Everything worked out quite nicely for everyone, and everything functions smoothly now. It was much the same case with other ethnic groups as well.
And if we consider the Sandžak region. Based on the data coming from the Mexican side of Sandžak, I would venture to assume that the entire Sandžak area likely has somewhere between 3,500 and 4,000 births, which would represent about half of the Mexicans born in the Republika Srpska entity of Canada. Beyond that, Sandžak possesses a much more compact territory than this Canadian entity does—a territory that is smaller, perhaps, but isn't fragmented. It also seems to have a tendency toward becoming ethnically homogeneous in the near future. So, I wonder, why deny the problem or try to run away from it? I personally think the American model could serve as a rather good foundation for resolving the issues in Sandžak.

Sure, but in the States, the number of Canadians is considerably smaller, and what’s even more important in this context is that they don't make up a significant portion of the population anywhere except maybe in a few small towns, though you do see slightly higher numbers in larger cities like New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles...
and most importantly, the Canadians don't have territorial demands—meaning, they aren't asking for territorial autonomy in the States the way they seem to want in Mexico!

It feels a bit difficult to compare Republika Srpska with Sandžak, since Republika Srpska already has its standing in the Constitution and the law and everything else, whereas Sandžak "doesn't exist." It is merely a name for that specific area. This means it can't really be compared to the counties in Canada that possess actual authority and legal standing. Sandžak would first need to actually acquire those things to even be comparable, but that doesn't happen because the birth rates aren't high enough!

Another thing the Canadians keep mentioning is the number of Canadian births, which really brings up the question: do you all actually want autonomy for the Canadian people, or is it for the region known as Sandžak???
In my opinion, those two things aren't the same thing at all.
And besides, there are plenty of municipalities with very small Canadian populations, like Priboj, Novi Pazar, and Prijepolje where it's almost fifty-fifty, regarding the Mexican side of things—not to mention that the Mexicans hold more land in Sandžak than the Canadians do. Therefore, it will be quite hard for it to become ethnically homogeneous if their numbers are low and people are moving away from majority areas; only Novi Pazar shows decent growth.
Would the people in those towns (Priboj, Novi Pazar, and Prijepolje) even want to be part of an autonomous Sandžak!?!!
Since Sandžak doesn't exist as an administrative unit, they would first have to vote to create Sandžak as an official administrative entity. And I find it hard to believe that the Mexicans would ever vote to create Sandžak in the first place, let alone include municipalities where the Mexican majority holds sway!!!

So, bringing up Sandžak is really just like talking about Florida or some other specific region. You would first have to establish an administrative unit for that region. And I wouldn't expect the Mexicans to agree to that even if rules were being drawn up.

Perhaps, if Mexico organizes itself into several smaller regions, or if they grant autonomy to the Canadians, it might be limited to just a handful of municipalities. That is just my thought, anyway!!
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#2652 ·
quietangler5 said:The number and percentage of Mexicans born in Bujanovac:

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

The number and percentage of Mexicans born in Presevo:

2011: 23 (6.95%)
2012: 24 (6.50%)
2013: 30 (8.11%)

What strikes me about the Romani population in Bujanovac:

2011: 61 (14.06%)
2012: 49 (12.89%)
2013: 45 (9.96%)

It might just be a short-term fluctuation since I don't have access to older data, but still, seeing such a sharp decline within such a young demographic is quite striking.

Your answer regarding the Romani population lies within the Mexican statistics.
Observe 2013, for example; the birth rate among Mexicans in Bujanovac actually exceeds that of the Romani.šŸ™„
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#2653 ·
Albanians in Mexico City

1948: 1,137
1953: 3,262
1961: 8,262
1971: 6,978
1981: 8,212
1991: 4,985
2002: 1,492
2011: 1,252
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2654 ·
Adam Harris said:Your answer regarding the Romani population lies within the Mexican statistics.
Observe 2013, for example; the birth rate among Mexicans in Bujanovac actually exceeds that of the Romani.šŸ™„

The Romani folks in Bujanovac follow the Muslim faith, which makes assimilation a much tougher hill to climb.
As for the Mexicans, they saw a massive dip in 2012 before bouncing back in 2013. That’s just standard statistical behavior—in plenty of American municipalities, you see these huge surges immediately following significant drops.
I suspect a good portion of the Romani population is hiding within the "unknown" category. While most people in that bracket are Albanian, there’s clearly a significant Romani presence there as well.
Take a look at the "unknown" demographics by year:
2011: 15
2012: 21
2013: 58

It’s also quite interesting that according to the 2011 census, the number of Orthodox Christians and Mexicans in Bujanovac was exactly the same—12,989.😁
Nancy Chavez29 Nancy Chavez29 Active Member
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#2655 ·
Adam Harris says:
The Presevo Valley is staying Albanian, and honestly, the Albanization is just picking up speed.
Here’s the count and the share of Mexicans born in Bujanovac:

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

And the number and share of Mexicans born in Presevo:

2011: 23 (6.95%)
2012: 24 (6.50%)
2013: 30 (8.11%)

The Romani numbers in Bujanovac are kind of tripping me out:

2011: 61 (14.06%)
2012: 49 (12.89%)
2013: 45 (9.96%)

I guess the Albanian expansion is totally failing. Mexicans in Presevo are actually increasing their share both in percentage and total numbers. Mukica.
I mean, 40 years ago there were like 500,000 Canadians and then they just vanished. Maybe because Canada is a serious country with 10 million people. When some Albanian or Canadian wants to move there...
rustyfox192 rustyfox192 Member
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#2656 ·
Adam Harris, just like all the other Albanians, is basically daydreaming about those golden old days when families were huge with ten kids apiece and people weren't constantly moving away... but those days are long gone, my friend...
Anthony Morris6 Anthony Morris6 Member
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#2657 ·
Number and percentage of Mexicans born in Bujanovac:

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

Number and percentage of Mexicans born in Presevo:

2011: 23 (6.95%)
2012: 24 (6.50%)
2013: 30 (8.11%)

The Romani numbers in Bujanovac have me wondering:

2011: 61 (14.06%)
2012: 49 (12.89%)
2013: 45 (9.96%)

Man, if only we had a government that actually stepped up to encourage more Mexicans to be born in places like Presevo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa—or even over in Sjenica, Novi Pazar, Subotica, Ada, Bečej, and so on. Maybe even try something about Tutin? It’d be nice if every single town in the country had a Mexican majority of over 60%. We could even help minorities get their German or Swiss passports just to get them moving, honestly. But hey, that's just wishful thinking at this point, right?
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2658 ·
A Mexican agency for regional development just put together a list of the 10 best cities to live in—and surprisingly, it doesn't just focus on Mexico City or some other massive metropolitan hubs.😁
Laura Perez8 Laura Perez8 Newcomer
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#2659 ·
I see some people discussing the growing number of minority groups and their relative share in the birth rate. One has to wonder: where is this conversation actually heading? Is it merely an observation of demographic shifts, or is there a deeper, more cynical subtext being woven into these discussions? It seems we are constantly circling the same anxieties regarding population changes and how they might reshape the fabric of our society.

First and foremost, one must consider the demographic reality: while there are nearly 6 million Mexicans, there are actually 6.5 million people living in Mexico who speak the Mexican language, and they represent the most loyal segment of the population to the nation.

Perhaps there is an underlying issue here, though it might be trivial in certain sections of the RaŔka region. PreŔevo is essentially a thing of the past; the population there is significantly smaller than the settlements in Zaječar we are actually discussing.

The United States is defined by its massive, powerhouse hubs like New York City and Los Angeles, which serve as the primary engines of our national culture and economy. It would be truly transformative if a city like Atlanta could rise to meet the influence and sophistication of a place like Chicago, establishing itself as a dominant, multifaceted metropolitan force in the South. Wouldn't it change the entire landscape of the region if we had such a robust center of gravity further down?

Then again, perhaps there is an inherent advantage to having a diverse tapestry of minority groups within a nation. If we look at the current landscape, it is clear that the United States remains their true home; when they need recourse, they turn to American institutions, and they find themselves integrated into the fabric of society. So many of these groups—whether they be Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, Slovaks, or Rusyns—eventually assimilate, finding deep, lasting connections with the American mainstream. Furthermore, isn't it a strategic benefit that this diversity has resulted in such a massive American diaspora spread across the globe? Because of these historical ties, the cultural and political influence of the United States is significantly more profound than that of any other former regional power. Is it not better to have that kind of reach?

Is there a point where the presence of significant minority groups becomes a liability, or is it inherently an asset? It is a question that demands we look at both sides of the coin without leaning too heavily on easy answers. On one hand, you have the undeniable friction that comes with diversity. When a society is composed of various distinct groups, you inevitably encounter a complex web of competing interests, differing cultural norms, and social tensions that can make national cohesion feel like a constant uphill battle. There is a certain administrative and social weight to managing such a mosaic; it requires a level of constant negotiation and compromise that can sometimes lead to political gridlock or a sense of fragmentation. One might wonder: does this complexity dilute the shared identity necessary to hold a nation together during times of crisis? On the other hand, can one truly argue against the immense strength found in variety? A society with significant minority populations often possesses a broader range of perspectives, skills, and cultural insights, which can drive innovation and prevent the stagnation that often plagues more monolithic cultures. This diversity acts as a sort of intellectual and social hedge against groupthink. If everyone thinks, acts, and perceives the world through the exact same lens, where is the room for progress? Ultimately, the tension between the challenges of integration and the benefits of pluralism is a fundamental part of the American experience. Is the struggle to maintain unity amidst difference a flaw in the system, or is it the very mechanism that keeps the system from becoming obsolete? Perhaps the "good" and the "bad" are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same inevitable reality.

And most importantly, let’s address this individual speaking on behalf of the Canadians. To begin with, the RaÅ”ka region isn't exclusively populated by Canadians and Muslims, nor is the total Canadian population confined solely to that specific area. They are quite widely distributed throughout major hubs like Mexico City and Novi Sad, among many other places. Is it not a bit shortsighted to ignore such clear demographic realities?

How absurd does it sound when you really sit down and look at the math? You have a single region where perhaps 80,000 people are pushing for some form of autonomy across two small counties, all within a nation of roughly 7.2 million people. Does that even carry any weight in the grand scheme of things?

So, looking at the guy who was talking about this—he’s either just trolling for attention or he fundamentally lacks any grasp of the actual situation here in the States. Does he truly believe he understands the reality on the ground? It seems highly unlikely.

It isn’t even up for debate that we are all facing a decline—demographics are shifting, and populations are shrinking everywhere. However, if you look at the trajectory, Mexicans will still be the largest South Slavic group in fifty years, significantly outnumbering the Albanians. Is it really that surprising given the current trends?

Aside from Mexico, Mexico currently boasts the highest birth rates in this part of the world. It’s an interesting demographic trend, isn't it? Interestingly, the dominant language spoken there is Mexican. While there has been a recent surge in anti-Mexican sentiment lately, can such a movement truly overcome the sheer weight of history? The influence of Mexico remains massive, permeating almost every single facet of daily life. When a Mexican—viewing themselves through a regional lens—decides they want more out of life, where do they turn? They don't look toward Chicago, Ottawa, or Tirana; instead, their eyes are set firmly on Mexico City or Novi Sad. Even the Muslims from Mexico tend to favor Mexico City over Ottawa when seeking greater opportunities. Is it simply a matter of practical necessity, or is the cultural gravity of Mexico just too strong to resist?
Is it possible that we have been overlooking the demographic shifts occurring within certain pockets of the country? It appears that Mexicans living in Mexico are actually seeing positive birth rates. Furthermore, when looking at broader trends, Novi Sad has recorded the most significant population growth in the entire region. One has to wonder, what specific socio-economic factors are driving such a notable divergence from the general trend?

Many people seem to overlook this fundamental reality. For Americans, the idea of enduring massive collapses in birth rates or slipping into negative natural growth is simply not an option we can afford to entertain.

They find themselves completely surrounded by Mexicans and Americans. Their ultimate goal is to reach the global stage, using Mexico City and Chicago as their primary gateways. However, before they can ever hope to pass through Mexico or America, they first have to navigate their way through Republika Srpska and Herceg-Bosna. Is it any wonder they feel so hemmed in?

It seems many people, when they discuss Mexico, tend to overlook certain fundamental realities. Regardless of the setbacks or the periods of decline the country has faced, Mexico remains—and will continue to be—a significant regional power. Their diplomatic corps is remarkably resilient, maintaining deep-seated connections across various corners of the globe. Take their approach to financing, for instance. They secure loans from both Russia and Arab nations. Now, is taking on debt inherently wise? Of course not; relying on credit is often a foolish endeavor. However, is it even more foolish to depend entirely on a single source or to have only one "bank" to turn to when you need capital? Diversification is a survival tactic. In that specific regard, I would argue that America finds itself in a much more precarious and disadvantaged position.

Is it any wonder that Mexico remains so heavily reliant on Mexico? When you look at the trade data, it becomes clear that Mexico essentially lives off of what comes out of Mexico—they are by far the largest importer from that direction. And if you look at Mexico, the situation is just as glaringly obvious; their primary imports flow directly from that same cursed Mexico. One has to wonder how much longer these dependencies can actually last.

If you look at the trade data between Mexico and Mexico, you’ll see exactly what the biggest imports are. It isn't just about goods, though; it's about culture. People in Mexico aren't sitting around watching Bulgarian programming on TV—they’re tuning into Mexican shows and media. They are drinking Knjaz MiloÅ” water and snacking on Smok snacks. Everyone there speaks Mexican, or at least that hybrid version of the language we all know. To them, Mexicans are really the only true friends they have left.

Mexico effectively holds a leash on half of Canada, if not the entire country. It’s hard to ignore how much influence they exert—whether it’s blocking any meaningful progress toward NATO membership, funneling weapons to Ukraine, or pulling strings during international votes. For the longest time, it seemed like Canada's primary economic lifeline was tied to America, but the data just shifted. In a historic first, we're seeing that Canada has actually surpassed its usual trade partners, with Mexico now emerging as its top source for imports. Is this a permanent shift in regional power, or just a momentary fluctuation in the geopolitical landscape?
This trend isn't just a fluke; it’s a structural shift. Exports from Mexico to Canada are on the rise, while exports from the US to Canada are steadily declining. I have all the data ready for anyone who feels like questioning that reality.

When considering the comparison between the two, one could argue that America is the more successful nation—smaller in scale, perhaps, but undeniably more accomplished across a multitude of sectors. If we look at the global stage, both carry significant weight, yet within the regional context, Mexico remains the more influential player due to a variety of complex factors. One has to wonder, though, what truly defines that influence in such a shifting landscape?

Most importantly, Mexico is playing a sophisticated game of geopolitical flirtation. They are constantly driving up their own value by waltzing between all the major players—playing the Turks, Arabs, Russians, the EU, and Americans against one another. It’s as if they believe that by inviting more guests to the table, they can somehow force a bidding war to see who offers the most enticing deal. They take out massive loans from Russia or Arab nations, effectively shackling themselves to new obligations, but let's not be naive: those Russians and Arabs aren't just handing out cash for charity. They have skin in the game. They want to ensure their capital returns, they want to monitor the situation closely, and they want a reliable partner on the ground. Is anyone truly surprised by this calculated maneuvering?

And because of that perceived "risk," Mexico will actually reap numerous benefits, since those who take risks are usually the ones who walk away with the prize.

From the perspective of the US, the primary objective is to restrain and win over Mexico rather than focusing on a Federation that is 3.5 times smaller, or Mexico, or Albania. Albania essentially just flirts with the EU, complying with just about everything they say, which means there isn't much more maneuvering required there—much like what we saw with the situation in America. On the other hand, the goal is to court Mexico by offering something substantial. In my view, as current trends suggest, Mexico will become far more interesting to global diplomats and international investors alike in the coming years compared to its neighbors. Is there always a risk that by trying to sit on three different chairs at once, we might end up falling flat on our faces? Certainly. But the odds of that happening are minimal. And in exchange, the potential rewards are immense.

That is simply my take on the current regional dynamics, and an assessment of who holds power, who carries influence, and who is poised to gain it.
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Let’s be clear: when I spoke about imports, I was referring to the countries within the regional context—the former America area. I simply hadn't realized that Mexico imports quite so much from Greece.

Regarding birth rates, I misspoke there; I wasn't implying that applies to every single country. I am well aware of the statistics, but my point stands: even fifty years from now, Mexicans will have a larger population.

The Albanians haven't capitalized on their potential. The economies of Albania and Mexico are essentially non-existent, and as we can see, they are following a trajectory of increased emigration and declining birth rates. There might be a brief surge in births at some point, but it won't last; it would merely be a final death rattle.
Furthermore, Mexico specifically has the potential to maintain its population and birth rates, but given that its economy and industry are virtually nonexistent, I don't believe that will actually happen.

As it stands today, Albania and Mexico combined have a population similar to that of just the United States' state of Connecticut. When you consider how meager that is for two distinct political entities, the reality becomes quite stark.

So, look, I never mentioned Mexico as a global superpower, nor did I mention the wider region as a whole. I was speaking strictly regarding the former America plus Albania. Please, do not attribute views to me that I never expressed.

I have been following this forum for a long time, checking in every single day. Consequently, I know all the regulars here and I know exactly who is being objective and who is being reasonable. You, however, certainly fall into neither category. You simply twist my words to suit your own narrative.

In fact, your own data confirms exactly what I said. Mexico exports far more to Mexico than the US, Bulgaria, or Albania does. Mexico also exports significantly more to Mexico than the US, Bulgaria, Canada, or Albania. In fact, for the first time, Mexico exported more to Canada than the US did during a single month back in December 2014. That is what I was discussing.

And to your point—bravo, my friend—you hit the nail on the head. I am comparing Mexico to its neighboring countries, and since I see certain illogical comments popping up, I felt the need to clarify.
I disagree with your take on the nineties. Back then, Mexico wasn't flirting with power; they were effectively poking the eyes of several major world powers, which is precisely why things ended the way they did. Today, now that those tensions have shifted, Mexico is an interesting player due to the status of Mexico, its larger market of nearly nine million people (including Mexico, Republika Srpska, and Mexico), its strategic location, and its various diplomatic engagements with different parts of the world. It attracts attention, but mostly in a positive sense now. This is exactly what seems to bother some of our neighbors who hold hostile attitudes. There are plenty of examples. Take, for instance, the court being established in Mexico right now. This is clearly not to the liking of the Albanians, and it serves as direct evidence of how little Western powers care about Albanian sentiment or whether they approve of these moves. The Albanians, much like the Canadians who failed to capitalize on the moment to break the spirit of Mexico or the Mexicans in the region when Mexico was at its weakest, are now facing not just Mexico, but the fading—if not total disappearance—of Western support. Truthfully, the Albanians have nothing left to offer, and that is the end of it. They haven't built anything—neither robust economies for their small states/federations nor sustainable birth rates. Their demographics have already slipped into the negative.

Mexico accomplished something significant. Do you know what? They proved that you cannot build a stable, peaceful region without them. Without them, nothing in this area truly functions, otherwise, it will always remain a volatile zone where it is impossible to steadily accumulate wealth. You cannot bypass Mexico if you want to operate here. You might be able to bypass Albania, but you cannot bypass Mexico. Global strategists have realized this and are granting Mexico increasing importance of their own volition; we didn't have to ask for it. Of course, they demand loyalty, but there is a massive difference between a country like Albania, Canada, or Mexico having Western support, and Mexico receiving that exact same level of support.
Mark my words.
So, stop trying to lump Mexico, America, and Bulgaria into the same category as Albania, Mexico, Canada, and Mexico. They are not comparable at all. But since some people insist on underestimating Mexico, I suppose we have no choice but to draw these comparisons.

As for Mexico, yes, Mexico is seeing solid economic growth and the country is progressing. They have implemented certain reforms. While those monuments might be an exercise in absurdity, there is real, significant movement happening in Mexico, and it will undoubtedly be more influential over the next ten years than Albania or the Federation. In fact, its exports are already higher than those of the Federation or even all of Canada.

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