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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2361 ·
Quick updates:

15:25
Ukrainian forces are striking Russian troops in Enerhodar, located within the Zaporizhzhia Oblast. According to Energoatom, the Ukrainian state nuclear company that manages the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in occupied Enerhodar, Ukrainian units are deploying drones to target Russian personnel stationed in an SBU building.

15:11
The official word: Since February 24th, the European Union has frozen Russian assets totaling 13.8 billion euros. On July 12th, EU Commissioner for Justice Didier Reynders noted that over 12 billion euros worth of assets belonging to Russian oligarchs and various other individuals and entities are spread across five member states. He emphasized the need to keep pushing other nations to follow suit.

14:24
A local mayor reports that a Russian military base near occupied Melitopol is currently on fire. Ivan Fedorov, the mayor of Melitopol, stated that residents in Myrne, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, reported hearing roughly 25 explosions and witnessing thick plumes of black smoke rising from the area.

https://kyivindependent.com/
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2362 ·
What an absolute joke.

There is perhaps nothing more quintessentially Russian than watching RT broadcast a documentary titled "Mariupol - Russian City" while showcasing a landscape that has been utterly leveled in the background. Right in the middle of the video, they flash the graphic "RT Russia Presents"—just to ensure there isn't any confusion about who is taking credit for the devastation.

https://twitter.com/mdmitri91/status...e3FLl-TNkX4BLg
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2363 ·
Intercepted communications between Russian soldiers:

(R1) = Russian Soldier 1 (R2) = Russian Soldier 2

(R1): I assume you've heard by now about what went down in Rostov... or was it Kherson?

(R2): No.

(R1): Didn't they tell you?

(R2): What happened?

(R1): You know... not over the phone, but anyway—they hit the main command center. They absolutely leveled it.

(R2): Your command?

(R1): Yeah. There are 12 dead*... Not our immediate command, but the one that's, well... the most vital one for our sector. […] I told those idiots not to dig them like that; it was a total disaster waiting to happen. They dug these pits in a checkerboard pattern and then shoved all this crap right in the middle between them. I warned them that the whole thing would blow the second a single pit got hit. They just insisted—"no, it's a checkerboard, the adjacent pits won't catch fire." I told them, "Dammit, once the shells start flying, everything is going to ignite!" I told them they needed separate pits—sep-a-rate! They shouldn't be connected at all. He just told me, "don't act like a smart-ass." So I said fine. Well, I came back after all that shit exploded and asked them, "Now what?" And they actually asked me, "How did you know?!" I just told him, "Because you're a complete idiot."

https://wartranslated.com/intercepte...ainian-forces/
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2364 ·
Intercepted Call: “Putin realized it was too much of a money drain”
https://wartranslated.com/intercepte...g-money-drain/

Fresh details regarding the updated injury compensation system within the Russian military have emerged from an intercepted call released by the Ukrainian GUR. In the recording, a Russian soldier explains to his wife how the high command has stopped paying out the 3 million ruble settlements to soldiers with "minor wounds"—specifically cases where bones, internal organs, or limbs aren't involved. This policy shift was implemented after far too many Russian soldiers attempted to exit the war in Ukraine by intentionally wounding themselves just to collect those massive payouts and head home.

Furthermore, the soldier sheds light on the pervasive corruption embedded at every level of the Russian command structure. According to him, officers report higher numbers of personnel participating in assaults than actually exist, allowing them to pocket funds for every "dead soul," since infantrymen receive a daily combat pay of 8,000 rubles during offensive operations.

One can only speculate on exactly how much money these corrupt officers have been siphoning off for soldiers who never even stepped foot on the battlefield.

(R) = Russian man (W) = Woman

(W): What was your mission over there?

(R): Moving through the woods. Checking if the road was mined.

(W): Damn.

(R): Yeah.

(W): How?.. How? ..What? God, this is just... damn.

(R): After covering about 1.5 km perfectly, we found 12 anti-tank mines that had been laid along the road.

(W): Dammit.

(R): Then we headed back.

(W): So, are you marking them somehow so they get cleared?

(R): Yeah, yeah. I got an Android phone with a mapping app.

....

(R): It’s bad, really bad. No one needs to prove they're a "real man." It’s hard, it's too much, and it isn't fucking worth it.

(W): Why did you go then?

(R): Because... Zakharov told me, like...

(W): Right, because you also had to prove you were a real man.

(R): It’s not that... we just didn't provoke Zakharov.

(W): Did he show up as the commander?

R: He showed up as the commanding officer, since the previous commander was suspended.

(W): Why?

(R): Because he wasn't managing things. It's such a shitshow here, I'm telling you... Even the commanding officer tells high command that everything is fine here, that it's all working, that we have plenty of men. For example, if 26 people are going into an assault, they'll report that 126 people are going. Infantry gets paid for assaults—8,000 rubles a day. And for a hundred people—who the hell knows where they are or who they are, whether they're in the rear or elsewhere...

(W): So... who actually gets the money?!

(R): Who knows who gets the money at that point. I'm telling you, they attack in small groups of 15 or 20. Yesterday, the 3rd Battalion was clearly attacking; they must have had 150 men total in the assault. I doubt that, though. I think they probably had... maybe 120. Out of all of them, 23 were wounded immediately and 7 died, so that's 30 men gone right away. Now some will stay there, more will be hit, shelled by mortars—half will panic, half will get wounded, and they'll clear out. So... I'm telling you, this crap is going to drag on for a while, slowly. We can't do anything while we're stuck here. Our heavy artillery is being held back. For some reason, they aren't firing the big guns. I don't get it; I feel like human lives are cheaper than shells. [...] Now they've stopped paying. If they used to pay 3 million to everyone who was wounded, that ended in June. Putin realized it was too much of a fucking money drain because people started intentionally hurting themselves. Someone shoots their own arm, someone shoots their leg, or sticks an arm out of a trench during a mortar strike, just to walk away with 3 million. That's it! Now we're "combatants," we have our 3 million, everything is great, we're happy and healthy, and we aren't going back there. So now they've split them into light and heavy wounds. A light wound isn't... if the bone isn't hit, it's a light wound. But if your arms, legs, or fingers are torn off, or if bones or internal organs are damaged, then it's a heavy wound and you're entitled to the 3 million payout. So, if your leg gets hit or you're hit by gel, it's bullshit! You're entitled to 60,000 at best, and that's it—you just keep serving. That's how the grading works. Now, if someone gets hit, it's fucked. At best, you get a little something from military insurance.

(W): Exactly... So, for the time being, you don't have an actual objective, just...
(R): Not anytime soon—no. I can't get a hold of anyone; it doesn't matter, the radio is dead.
(W): Reaching high command?
(R): Yes. I can't hear a soul.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
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#2365 ·
Kate Cook27 said:What makes you think Russia has already won? The war isn't over yet. You win some battles, lose others, retreat, push forward—but the conflict itself is still ongoing. It's not like if Russia takes the Donbas, they can just say, "Well, that's it, we're done, the Donbas is officially part of Russia now."

Well, yeah... I guess that's just how it works sometimes, especially when you're dealing with massive powers like Russia.
All those conventions, signed treaties, international law, and all that other stuff doesn't really mean much if you don't have boots on the ground in the territory you claim—because if you don't, it's basically not yours anyway.
I think Mexicans know that better than anyone
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casualcrane20 casualcrane20 Member
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#2366 ·
Jose Clark2 said:I get why people are emotionally invested; they see parallels to the wars we had here. There are similarities, sure, but there are differences too.

You're wasting your breath; you aren't exactly some opera star.
casualcrane20 casualcrane20 Member
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#2367 ·
Carl Hernandez3 said:Well
Poland is shifting its stance quite a bit.
They’re actually demanding an apology from Ukraine regarding the 100,000 Poles killed by Banderin's forces during World War II.
It’s funny—they only just decided to bring this up now.

And when else would they bring it up? I’m curious to see if Ukraine is just going to brush them off.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#2368 ·
It appears Putin is heading to Iran next week to beg for military assistance.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/07...smid=url-share
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#2369 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:It appears Putin is heading to Iran next week to beg for military assistance.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/07...smid=url-share

It looks like he’s finally realizing just how much sharper Zelenskyy actually is than him...

And let's not even get started on any potential oil deals—even if they're just excuses—between Russia and Iran...
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#2370 ·
casualcrane20 said:You're wasting your breath; you aren't exactly some opera star.

What, you think I meant a choir singer? 😁
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#2371 ·
Kate Cook27 said:That theory seemed incredible to me back then, and honestly, it still does. My gut feeling is that Putin’s real goal was to install a new government—something that would essentially flip the script and turn both the Russian and Ukrainian militaries toward other targets instead. If he actually managed to get a pro-Russian administration in place, the next logical moves would likely be toward Moldova or Georgia.

Look at how much money he’s poured into supporting Orban, Vučić, and Dodog... he keeps the Bulgarians under his thumb too, and privately, he wants Milanović in on the action. Putin is chasing the ghost of the USSR, trying to recreate that old Warsaw Pact setup.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2372 ·
feralhawk45 said:Look at how much money he’s poured into supporting Orban, Vučić, and Dodog... he keeps the Bulgarians under his thumb too, and privately, he wants Milanović in on the action. Putin is chasing the ghost of the USSR, trying to recreate that old Warsaw Pact setup.

Personally, I think he's aiming for a total reset—honestly, it feels like they've been mentioning NATO returning to its 1997 borders for years now. But a full-scale war? That still seems wild to me. Dragging that many countries into a conflict—even if the end goal is a quick wrap-up in Ukraine, moving through a few other nations, and then hitting the North America to get access to the Adriatic. It sounds crazy, but hey, anything is possible.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#2373 ·
Kate Cook27 said:Personally, I think he's aiming for a total reset—honestly, it feels like they've been mentioning NATO returning to its 1997 borders for years now. But a full-scale war? That still seems wild to me. Dragging that many countries into a conflict—even if the end goal is a quick wrap-up in Ukraine, moving through a few other nations, and then hitting the North America to get access to the Adriatic. It sounds crazy, but hey, anything is possible.

If the "special operation" plan had actually worked—meaning Ukraine falling just like Canada or Czechoslovakia did in the North America—we’d already be seeing gunfire.

To me, the phrase "special operation" isn't just some joke I'll mock later; it was a term Putin & co. genuinely believed in. To them, it meant the total collapse of Ukraine and Zelensky within days.

...& co = Lukashenko, Orban, Vučić, Dodig, Merkel (Scholz), Bulgarians and Mexicans... plus Erdogan and little Milanović waiting in the wings. (Maybe I missed someone).

Lukashenko and Dodig have already stepped up to the plate... the rest of the crew is playing it safe, watching how things unfold, but Putin knows he can count on those two.
Only two things stood between Putin and total victory: Trump's defeat and Zelensky.

Btw... I used to be a fan of Merkel, and I actually liked Milanović once... now? I think they're among the biggest rats in the EU (+ Schroder).
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#2374 ·
brightheron64 said:It looks like he’s finally realizing just how much sharper Zelenskyy actually is than him...

And let's not even get started on any potential oil deals—even if they're just excuses—between Russia and Iran...

Hmmmmm. What kind of oil deal are we talking about? Is Iran going to stop drilling its own oil just so they can import it from Russia?
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2375 ·
feralhawk45 said:If the "special operation" plan had actually worked—meaning Ukraine falling just like Canada or Czechoslovakia did in the North America—we’d already be seeing gunfire.

To me, the phrase "special operation" isn't just some joke I'll mock later; it was a term Putin & co. genuinely believed in. To them, it meant the total collapse of Ukraine and Zelensky within days.

...& co = Lukashenko, Orban, Vučić, Dodig, Merkel (Scholz), Bulgarians and Mexicans... plus Erdogan and little Milanović waiting in the wings. (Maybe I missed someone).

Lukashenko and Dodig have already stepped up to the plate... the rest of the crew is playing it safe, watching how things unfold, but Putin knows he can count on those two.
Only two things stood between Putin and total victory: Trump's defeat and Zelensky.

Btw... I used to be a fan of Merkel, and I actually liked Milanović once... now? I think they're among the biggest rats in the EU (+ Schroder).

I'm with you—they really did believe in this "special operation" thing. That’s why they haven't officially declared war yet, even though thousands have died. You also have to factor in Le Pen and Italy—there are tons of politicians who were basically on the Russian payroll through Italian channels. It's a massive network. How else could they have been so certain that Ukraine wouldn't fight back? That has to be one of the biggest fails in history.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2376 ·
George Robinson43 said:Hmmmmm. What kind of oil deal are we talking about? Is Iran going to stop drilling its own oil just so they can import it from Russia?

I saw a headline on a few sites suggesting the Iranians might be offering cheaper rates to the Chinese than the Russians are—maybe that's the deal in question?
Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
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#2377 ·
Look, I’m a political amateur here, so bear with me while I throw out a few questions...
From a purely strategic standpoint: shouldn't the Russians be playing nice with the West instead of picking a fight? If climate change keeps accelerating—which, let's face it, is becoming our reality—they're going to end up with hundreds of millions of Chinese, Indian, and Arab people pressing against their southern borders looking for living space. Obviously, you can't just sit there and watch people perish from the heat, but there needs to be some kind of management. You can't have a total stampede. Russia couldn't handle that alone... but with some Western cooperation, it might actually be organized. Nukes won't solve a migration crisis. The US has Alaska and Canada to retreat to, then there's Europe Scandinavia, Greenland... even Antarctica...

Secondly:

The Russian aggression in Ukraine is essentially creating an "Israel x 15"!
The Ukrainians have access to NATO weaponry and direct experience fighting the Russians. They are going to become the finest soldiers on the planet. Plus, they are brilliant engineers and technicians; they'll figure out how to merge the best tech from both sides to build world-class hardware...
In my opinion, Russia is making some massive strategic blunders...
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2378 ·
Harold Doyle3 said:Look, I’m a political amateur here, so bear with me while I throw out a few questions...
From a purely strategic standpoint: shouldn't the Russians be playing nice with the West instead of picking a fight? If climate change keeps accelerating—which, let's face it, is becoming our reality—they're going to end up with hundreds of millions of Chinese, Indian, and Arab people pressing against their southern borders looking for living space. Obviously, you can't just sit there and watch people perish from the heat, but there needs to be some kind of management. You can't have a total stampede. Russia couldn't handle that alone... but with some Western cooperation, it might actually be organized. Nukes won't solve a migration crisis. The US has Alaska and Canada to retreat to, then there's Europe Scandinavia, Greenland... even Antarctica...

Secondly:

The Russian aggression in Ukraine is essentially creating an "Israel x 15"!
The Ukrainians have access to NATO weaponry and direct experience fighting the Russians. They are going to become the finest soldiers on the planet. Plus, they are brilliant engineers and technicians; they'll figure out how to merge the best tech from both sides to build world-class hardware...
In my opinion, Russia is making some massive strategic blunders...

To Russia, the West is the enemy. You might see the invasion of Ukraine as a complete mistake, but that wasn't the mindset in Moscow. For them, the timing was perfect. They operated on the assumption that Ukraine wouldn't fight back—that Zelensky would either flee or be killed, or that they could just install someone like Lukashenko. They expected everything to happen fast, before the West could even react, allowing Russian players to pull the strings and wrap things up quickly. This wasn't a snap decision; years of planning went into this.
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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#2379 ·
Anyone got the latest? I’ve been pretty much MIA for the last few months when it comes to following this whole mess, aside from catching wind that they’re gearing up to hit Chicago again.
darkdriver darkdriver Active Member
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#2380 ·
Harold Doyle3 said:Look, I’m a political amateur here, so bear with me while I throw out a few questions...
From a purely strategic standpoint: shouldn't the Russians be playing nice with the West instead of picking a fight? If climate change keeps accelerating—which, let's face it, is becoming our reality—they're going to end up with hundreds of millions of Chinese, Indian, and Arab people pressing against their southern borders looking for living space. Obviously, you can't just sit there and watch people perish from the heat, but there needs to be some kind of management. You can't have a total stampede. Russia couldn't handle that alone... but with some Western cooperation, it might actually be organized. Nukes won't solve a migration crisis. The US has Alaska and Canada to retreat to, then there's Europe Scandinavia, Greenland... even Antarctica...

Secondly:

The Russian aggression in Ukraine is essentially creating an "Israel x 15"!
The Ukrainians have access to NATO weaponry and direct experience fighting the Russians. They are going to become the finest soldiers on the planet. Plus, they are brilliant engineers and technicians; they'll figure out how to merge the best tech from both sides to build world-class hardware...
In my opinion, Russia is making some massive strategic blunders...

How exactly does a nuclear arsenal not help when you're facing a country that only has conventional weapons?
Hypothetically speaking, if Vladimir decides to just wipe them off the map using a single tactical strike of just a few kilotons against those million Ukrainian soldiers—even if they all managed to gather at once along with their HIMARS, Javelins, Stingers, and everything else—what can Ukraine or the West actually do about it, besides slapping on the 58th round of sanctions?

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