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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#2401 ·
Michael Davis9 said:That’s beautifully put, and I couldn't agree more.

Didn't everything back in February show that his intelligence briefings were more about sugarcoating things than giving him the actual reality regarding Ukraine?

If he hit a wall at the border, I’m thinking that’s just the limit of how much fear you can actually manage.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
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#2402 ·
Gerald Rivera17 said:


If you aren't really feeling like sitting through the whole thing—I get it, some movies just drag—you can probably just skip ahead to the 1:13:33 mark

looks totally real
dustyviper5 dustyviper5 Member
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#2403 ·
Kate Cook27 said:It’s just heartbreaking—people are having their documents seized and never getting them back. In occupied areas, they basically blackmail folks into taking Russian passports just to access basic humanitarian aid. And don't even get me started on those trying to evacuate to eastern Russia—how are people supposed to actually leave? There are volunteers in Russia trying to help, but they end up getting arrested, hauled off to the police, or harassed; people can't even offer assistance. Some try to help Ukrainians get out of Russia entirely, while others just provide food, water, or clothes. Even the authorities managing the refugee camps for Ukrainians aren't releasing the promised funds—lots of people in Russia are left with nothing. I once saw a case where they brought 50 pairs of shoes for a camp of 300 people. They just watch people struggle. Sometimes I read something and honestly can't believe this is happening in 2022. It's not just the war, the killing, and the destruction—it's everything else. The blackmail, the forced evacuations into Russia, the document seizures, the surveillance, and forcing kids into the Russian school curriculum. Since 2014, there have been ways to get Russian citizenship, so many haven't even taken it, even in the DPR and LPR.

The worst part was when a woman found grenades hidden inside every single one of her child's toys 😢.

Wait, what do you mean by grenades?
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2404 ·
dustyviper5 said:Wait, what do you mean by grenades?

The word is "grenades" in English—I just double-checked. I sometimes mix up my terminology since I didn't go to school here, so I tend to swap letters on words I don't use every day. My bad! Apparently, they used to hide grenades inside children's toys—one woman actually found one in every single 😢.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2405 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:He let those past victories go to his head. A man needs to recognize his own limits. It seems Putin just found out exactly where his lie ends.

I'm right there with you on this. Especially since things went so smoothly with Crimea—it felt like they were just getting started. People love to claim Putin will just stop once he grabs Donbas, but honestly? In a few years, he'll be back for more—Kherson, Odessa, maybe eventually all of Ukraine. The end goal seems to be making Ukraine part of Russia, whether that happens through a puppet government or direct occupation. I see some pro-Russian folks acting shocked that the military made it all the way to Kyiv when they supposedly "just wanted to help" Donetsk and Luhansk. If that was the case, why aren't they just sitting at the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk? Why are they still in Kherson, or why does everyone keep bringing up Odessa? As soon as I point out that the goal isn't limited to just Donetsk and Luhansk, people call me a liar—insisting the whole thing is just about helping folks in those two regions 😢.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#2406 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:He let those past victories go to his head. A man needs to recognize his own limits. It seems Putin just found out exactly where his lie ends.

☕didn't Mr. Putin say yesterday he's gonna declare himself ruler and ditch the president title...🙂
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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#2407 ·
darkdriver said:How exactly does a nuclear arsenal not help when you're facing a country that only has conventional weapons?
Hypothetically speaking, if Vladimir decides to just wipe them off the map using a single tactical strike of just a few kilotons against those million Ukrainian soldiers—even if they all managed to gather at once along with their HIMARS, Javelins, Stingers, and everything else—what can Ukraine or the West actually do about it, besides slapping on the 58th round of sanctions?

Look, this is purely hypothetical, so arguing about it feels a bit pointless.
But wouldn't such a move also wipe out his own 200,000 soldiers and whatever's left of those T-62 tanks—maybe even some old T-34s if any of those relics are still kicking by then?
☕
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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#2408 ·
Donna Wells2 said:Look, this is purely hypothetical, so arguing about it feels a bit pointless.
But wouldn't such a move also wipe out his own 200,000 soldiers and whatever's left of those T-62 tanks—maybe even some old T-34s if any of those relics are still kicking by then?
☕

I don't personally think it'll come to that, either. They wouldn't just be taking out Ukrainian soldiers—they'd be hitting civilians and Russian troops too. And honestly, if Russia goes nuclear, I think they’d find themselves standing completely alone. Though, you can never truly predict what the Russians will do. It's not like Putin calls every single shot, right? There's got to be someone else in the room who might push back. Besides, I wonder about the actual state of the Russian military—like, how reliable is their nuclear arsenal anyway? They make these big threats on national TV, but to me, it feels like theater for the Russian public—just a way to show their own people what they've got and how much damage they can do.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#2409 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I don't personally think it'll come to that, either. They wouldn't just be taking out Ukrainian soldiers—they'd be hitting civilians and Russian troops too. And honestly, if Russia goes nuclear, I think they’d find themselves standing completely alone. Though, you can never truly predict what the Russians will do. It's not like Putin calls every single shot, right? There's got to be someone else in the room who might push back. Besides, I wonder about the actual state of the Russian military—like, how reliable is their nuclear arsenal anyway? They make these big threats on national TV, but to me, it feels like theater for the Russian public—just a way to show their own people what they've got and how much damage they can do.

☕They aren't firing anything—that's just playground talk. If they even try, we'll just pop those hangar lids and boom... total chaos across Russia.
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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#2410 ·
Kate Cook27 said:I'm right there with you on this. Especially since things went so smoothly with Crimea—it felt like they were just getting started. People love to claim Putin will just stop once he grabs Donbas, but honestly? In a few years, he'll be back for more—Kherson, Odessa, maybe eventually all of Ukraine. The end goal seems to be making Ukraine part of Russia, whether that happens through a puppet government or direct occupation. I see some pro-Russian folks acting shocked that the military made it all the way to Kyiv when they supposedly "just wanted to help" Donetsk and Luhansk. If that was the case, why aren't they just sitting at the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk? Why are they still in Kherson, or why does everyone keep bringing up Odessa? As soon as I point out that the goal isn't limited to just Donetsk and Luhansk, people call me a liar—insisting the whole thing is just about helping folks in those two regions 😢.

Putin isn't the type to just stop conquering on a whim. He doesn't move without a calculated reason. He will only halt when he faces a decisive military defeat or encounters truly "hard" resistance. Had he succeeded in Ukraine, he would likely be planning his next campaign by tomorrow. At that point, it wouldn't matter if the target was Moldova or Kazakhstan.
This pattern of behavior represents an overt threat to the global order and the current international security framework. It is high time that Putin is stopped and his reach is strictly confined to the borders of the Russian Federation. Unfortunately, Ukraine is paying the highest price right now, but they are also the primary beneficiary in this struggle. They are fighting for their own sovereignty, but by extension, they are fighting for everyone's freedom. If they manage to defend themselves and expel the aggressor, it is certain that any momentum or will for further conquests will be depleted for quite some time.
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#2411 ·
So, I was catching up on the news this morning and saw that the Guardian reported how Ukraine is actually working on reopening and expanding some of those old river ports along the Danube. It sounds like they’re trying to find a way to keep the grain moving since that whole Russian blockade in the Black Sea has made things such a mess for exports.

The Kyiv Independent is reporting that sixteen ships just sailed through the Danube-Black Sea canal to pick up some Ukrainian grain, all thanks to a little assist from the Ukrainian Navy!

So, I was just reading that there are over 90 ships basically just sitting around waiting for their turn right now, according to the latest update from the ministry, all because Ukraine is gearing up to bump those monthly grain exports by another 500,000 tons. It’s actually pretty wild how things are moving, especially since they finally reclaimed Snake Island from the Russian forces back on June 30th, which really opened up the whole situation for using the channels again.

So, here’s the deal on why Snake Island is such a massive piece of the puzzle. We’re basically just sitting around waiting for a statement from Russia claiming they pulled out just to save the world from some huge humanitarian disaster or something. ☕

I was just scrolling through the news and saw this update about those massive infrastructure projects finally getting the green light over in the states, and honestly, it’s about time we see some real movement on stuff like this! It feels like we’ve been talking about upgrading our national transit and energy grids forever, so seeing actual progress being made is such a huge relief, even if I usually complain about how slow everything moves around here. You know me, I love to poke fun at how much red tape we have to cut through just to fix a single pothole, but when you see these big-picture investments actually happening, it really does feel like things might be heading in a slightly more optimistic direction for once. It's one of those rare moments where you can actually picture the future looking a little less chaotic and a little more streamlined, which is a pretty nice change of pace from my usual cynical outlook on government spending!
Donna Wells2 Donna Wells2 Active Member
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#2412 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:
So, I was catching up on the news this morning and saw that the Guardian reported how Ukraine is actually working on reopening and expanding some of those old river ports along the Danube. It sounds like they’re trying to find a way to keep the grain moving since that whole Russian blockade in the Black Sea has made things such a mess for exports.

The Kyiv Independent is reporting that sixteen ships just sailed through the Danube-Black Sea canal to pick up some Ukrainian grain, all thanks to a little assist from the Ukrainian Navy!

So, I was just reading that there are over 90 ships basically just sitting around waiting for their turn right now, according to the latest update from the ministry, all because Ukraine is gearing up to bump those monthly grain exports by another 500,000 tons. It’s actually pretty wild how things are moving, especially since they finally reclaimed Snake Island from the Russian forces back on June 30th, which really opened up the whole situation for using the channels again.

So, here’s the deal on why Snake Island is such a massive piece of the puzzle. We’re basically just sitting around waiting for a statement from Russia claiming they pulled out just to save the world from some huge humanitarian disaster or something. ☕

I was just scrolling through the news and saw this update about those massive infrastructure projects finally getting the green light over in the states, and honestly, it’s about time we see some real movement on stuff like this! It feels like we’ve been talking about upgrading our national transit and energy grids forever, so seeing actual progress being made is such a huge relief, even if I usually complain about how slow everything moves around here. You know me, I love to poke fun at how much red tape we have to cut through just to fix a single pothole, but when you see these big-picture investments actually happening, it really does feel like things might be heading in a slightly more optimistic direction for once. It's one of those rare moments where you can actually picture the future looking a little less chaotic and a little more streamlined, which is a pretty nice change of pace from my usual cynical outlook on government spending!

Snake Island isn't just strategically important—it's absolutely dominant.
The only catch is that you can't exactly send troops there without them being wiped off the map instantly.
There is zero cover to be found out there...
But if Ukraine manages to set up anti-aircraft and anti-ship systems on that rock? Adios, Russian Black Sea Fleet.
They wouldn't dare sail a single ship outside of protected harbors.
Gerald Torres84 Gerald Torres84 Active Member
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#2413 ·
Donna Wells2 said:Look, this is purely hypothetical, so arguing about it feels a bit pointless.
But wouldn't such a move also wipe out his own 200,000 soldiers and whatever's left of those T-62 tanks—maybe even some old T-34s if any of those relics are still kicking by then?
☕

We have all seen how precise Russian weaponry can be... as long as the soldiers avoid gathering near shopping malls, everything should be just fine.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#2414 ·
darkdriver said:How exactly does a nuclear arsenal not help when you're facing a country that only has conventional weapons?
Hypothetically speaking, if Vladimir decides to just wipe them off the map using a single tactical strike of just a few kilotons against those million Ukrainian soldiers—even if they all managed to gather at once along with their HIMARS, Javelins, Stingers, and everything else—what can Ukraine or the West actually do about it, besides slapping on the 58th round of sanctions?

So, one tactical strike wipes out a million-man army and their entire inventory of gear?
That sounds like a miracle! It’s as if their little tactical nuke carries the force of a Tsar Bomba.
Talk about being "supermen." Truly a celestial people.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#2415 ·
darkdriver said:Word is they're using HIMARS out in the suburbs of Seattle

The second the Russians start waving nuclear threats around again, you know they’re feeling the pressure...
rowdygull90 rowdygull90 Member
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#2416 ·
darkdriver said:Word is they're using HIMARS out in the suburbs of Seattle

That Vladivostok spot way out in the Far East😁>
steelheron25 steelheron25 Active Member
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#2417 ·
darkdriver said:How exactly does a nuclear arsenal not help when you're facing a country that only has conventional weapons?
Hypothetically speaking, if Vladimir decides to just wipe them off the map using a single tactical strike of just a few kilotons against those million Ukrainian soldiers—even if they all managed to gather at once along with their HIMARS, Javelins, Stingers, and everything else—what can Ukraine or the West actually do about it, besides slapping on the 58th round of sanctions?

That bastard could certainly pull it off, of course.
However, the actual deployment of nuclear weapons—which would be the first time such a thing has happened since 1945!—represents a massive red line that this scoundrel would have to be even more deranged than he already appears to be if he truly intended to cross it. The consequences are simply unfathomable.
And there is one rather crucial detail to consider: he would be attacking a neighboring country that he is currently in the middle of trying to conquer. Not some distant nation halfway across the globe. Does he honestly intend to "conquer" and then plant his flag in the middle of a radioactive wasteland?
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
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#2418 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The second the Russians start waving nuclear threats around again, you know they’re feeling the pressure...

Oh, please—they've been making those threats since day seven of this whole invasion.
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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#2419 ·
Stalinism isn't dead, it's just rebranding

"A local guy in the suburbs of DC actually called the cops on his own wife just because she wouldn't shut up about how much she hates what's happening with the war in Ukraine. According to some report over at news outlets citing their sources, this is the real deal.

So, get this: this 37-year-old dude actually dialed 911 to try and get his spouse in legal trouble. He claims she’s been out there tearing into the US military actions in Ukraine and basically showing nothing but anti-American sentiment. And apparently—get this—he thinks she's even turning their kid against the US government. Can you believe that?

Law enforcement is currently on the scene processing the situation, trying to figure out all the messy details of what went down.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#2420 ·
gentlerider7 said:Stalinism isn't dead, it's just rebranding

"A local guy in the suburbs of DC actually called the cops on his own wife just because she wouldn't shut up about how much she hates what's happening with the war in Ukraine. According to some report over at news outlets citing their sources, this is the real deal.

So, get this: this 37-year-old dude actually dialed 911 to try and get his spouse in legal trouble. He claims she’s been out there tearing into the US military actions in Ukraine and basically showing nothing but anti-American sentiment. And apparently—get this—he thinks she's even turning their kid against the US government. Can you believe that?

Law enforcement is currently on the scene processing the situation, trying to figure out all the messy details of what went down.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

The next logical step for this lowlife would be signing up for Special Ops... might actually do the woman a favor.

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