Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Richard Wilson4 said:The second the Russians start waving nuclear threats around again, you know they’re feeling the pressure...

Honestly, they haven't been happy since day one—and even if they keep insisting they'll never use them against a non-nuclear power, there's still this very real danger that they might actually go through with it.
At the end of the day, that kind of thing is basically baked right into their warfare doctrine.

dustyowl29 said:Oh, please—they've been making those threats since day seven of this whole invasion.

I guess they realized pretty early on that marching into Kyiv with parades and cheering "liberated" locals wasn't happening—and neither was getting a puppet version of Viktor Yanukovych or some Ukrainian Alexander Lukashenko.

Sandra Harris2 said:I guess they realized pretty early on that marching into Kyiv with parades and cheering "liberated" locals wasn't happening—and neither was getting a puppet version of Viktor Yanukovych or some Ukrainian Alexander Lukashenko.

So you’re out here saying there are threats, while Zakharov is over there insisting there aren't any threats at all, claiming they haven't even heard such things.

"The diplomat noted that despite all the claims that 'Russia is threatening the entire world with nuclear weapons,' there hasn't been a single statement from Moscow to that effect. This is being corroborated by the British, the USA, Japan, and a whole string of EU member states. Yet, there isn't one single instance where an official Russian representative, a state official, or a politician directly involved in the government has made a threat, or even engaged in any discussion about it, whether hypothetically or in practice," the spokesperson added.

https://tass.com/politics/1479281

steelheron25 said:That bastard could certainly pull it off, of course.
However, the actual deployment of nuclear weapons—which would be the first time such a thing has happened since 1945!—represents a massive red line that this scoundrel would have to be even more deranged than he already appears to be if he truly intended to cross it. The consequences are simply unfathomable.
And there is one rather crucial detail to consider: he would be attacking a neighboring country that he is currently in the middle of trying to conquer. Not some distant nation halfway across the globe. Does he honestly intend to "conquer" and then plant his flag in the middle of a radioactive wasteland?

I don't get how you're explaining Hiroshima and Nagasaki then, since those didn't turn into nuclear deserts, and the Japanese people didn't spend decades just waiting around to rebuild.
After the bomb, the population of Hiroshima dropped from over 400,000 to under 140,000, but by the early '50s, the city was already back up to over 400,000 people.

gentlerider7 said:So you’re out here saying there are threats, while Zakharov is over there insisting there aren't any threats at all, claiming they haven't even heard such things.

"The diplomat noted that despite all the claims that 'Russia is threatening the entire world with nuclear weapons,' there hasn't been a single statement from Moscow to that effect. This is being corroborated by the British, the USA, Japan, and a whole string of EU member states. Yet, there isn't one single instance where an official Russian representative, a state official, or a politician directly involved in the government has made a threat, or even engaged in any discussion about it, whether hypothetically or in practice," the spokesperson added.

https://tass.com/politics/1479281

Aha...
Fine, I'll play along with the narrative.
If this war has officially become a "special military operation," then maybe the nuclear threat has just become a casual mention of some specific non-conventional weaponry 😉😁
Does that work?

Just hand them some HIMARS and suddenly we’re back to watching Russia struggle through a supposed "special operation" that's dragged on forever, all while they resort to those same pathetic, hollow threats about nuclear war.

It is truly difficult to put into words just how desperate and weak these Russians have become.

Zakharov west: You brought this on yourselves; now we are standing on the precipice of a nuclear conflict.

It’s possible that Mexico might become a sort of promised land for Russians once this war finally winds down. We're already seeing a significant surge in Russians purchasing apartments and real estate in Mexico City.

Anthony Hill5 said:Just hand them some HIMARS and suddenly we’re back to watching Russia struggle through a supposed "special operation" that's dragged on forever, all while they resort to those same pathetic, hollow threats about nuclear war.

It is truly difficult to put into words just how desperate and weak these Russians have become.

Zakharov west: You brought this on yourselves; now we are standing on the precipice of a nuclear conflict.

From the article:
"They want to portray us as a nation threatening the use of nuclear weapons. That is unacceptable." Meanwhile, the national news is showing mushroom clouds over Mexico and massive tidal waves hitting the UK.

Anthony Hill5 said:Just hand them some HIMARS and suddenly we’re back to watching Russia struggle through a supposed "special operation" that's dragged on forever, all while they resort to those same pathetic, hollow threats about nuclear war.

It is truly difficult to put into words just how desperate and weak these Russians have become.

Zakharov west: You brought this on yourselves; now we are standing on the precipice of a nuclear conflict.

At the end of the day, it's just pure, unadulterated fear of a clash with NATO. Nothing more.
There's an old saying for a reason... don't fear the dog that barks.
The Italians would probably just shrug and say... "parole, parole, parole"... just empty words, nothing but noise.

darkdriver said:I don't get how you're explaining Hiroshima and Nagasaki then, since those didn't turn into nuclear deserts, and the Japanese people didn't spend decades just waiting around to rebuild.
After the bomb, the population of Hiroshima dropped from over 400,000 to under 140,000, but by the early '50s, the city was already back up to over 400,000 people.

Between 1945 and the beginning of the 1950s, we’re looking at... what, at least five years?
And let’s be honest, during those five years, they certainly weren't exactly the hottest travel destinations on the map.
Then again, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two specific bombs used primarily for deterrence, and all of this happened nearly 77 years ago.
What we are discussing here involves a potentially higher volume of projectiles and a much more intense level of destruction—we aren't talking about psychological deterrence anymore, but actual devastation.
Furthermore, we are dealing with a timeframe that stretches longer than five years. And once again, are we putting the blame on the Russians, operating under the assumption that they are still targeting territory they intend to occupy, or is there something else at play?

"Our military is being led by a bunch of incompetent morons. They're foolish, corrupt, pathetic, vindictive, petty little thieves..."

That sounds like a pretty accurate description of most of the Russian high command...

steelheron25 said:Between 1945 and the beginning of the 1950s, we’re looking at... what, at least five years?
And let’s be honest, during those five years, they certainly weren't exactly the hottest travel destinations on the map.
Then again, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two specific bombs used primarily for deterrence, and all of this happened nearly 77 years ago.
What we are discussing here involves a potentially higher volume of projectiles and a much more intense level of destruction—we aren't talking about psychological deterrence anymore, but actual devastation.
Furthermore, we are dealing with a timeframe that stretches longer than five years. And once again, are we putting the blame on the Russians, operating under the assumption that they are still targeting territory they intend to occupy, or is there something else at play?

There were actually still 100,000 people living in the city after the bomb dropped, and that number went up every single year.
We aren't even talking about megaton-class weapons here—it's more like tactical kiloton stuff, where the power ranges from one kiloton up, and honestly, they don't even need to be launched by missiles or cruise missiles; artillery could pull it off too.

darkdriver said:There were actually still 100,000 people living in the city after the bomb dropped, and that number went up every single year.
We aren't even talking about megaton-class weapons here—it's more like tactical kiloton stuff, where the power ranges from one kiloton up, and honestly, they don't even need to be launched by missiles or cruise missiles; artillery could pull it off too.

If Putin really wanted to pull the trigger on tactical nukes, he would have done it by now. He’d have done it more than once.

"Foreign convicts file appeals against sentences in the Donetsk People's Republic: 'If they aren't granted, they will be executed'"

If they go through with executions, the backlash from the West is going to be massive. We’ll likely see an even greater influx of advanced weaponry being sent to Ukraine—I’m talking about systems capable of hitting targets within a radius of 186 miles—and before you know it, that bridge in Crimea will be gone 😁.

Donna Wells2 said:"Foreign convicts file appeals against sentences in the Donetsk People's Republic: 'If they aren't granted, they will be executed'"

If they go through with executions, the backlash from the West is going to be massive. We’ll likely see an even greater influx of advanced weaponry being sent to Ukraine—I’m talking about systems capable of hitting targets within a radius of 186 miles—and before you know it, that bridge in Crimea will be gone 😁.

Executing prisoners of war would be nothing short of terrorism on par with ISIS.

But what exactly would the Ukrainian response look like in such a scenario? Would they retaliate by executing all Russian citizens held captive? It’s the same logic, really—foreign nationals being treated as pawns in a much darker game.

Anthony Hill5 said:Just hand them some HIMARS and suddenly we’re back to watching Russia struggle through a supposed "special operation" that's dragged on forever, all while they resort to those same pathetic, hollow threats about nuclear war.

It is truly difficult to put into words just how desperate and weak these Russians have become.

Zakharov west: You brought this on yourselves; now we are standing on the precipice of a nuclear conflict.

They’re living the high life, clearly. These nuclear threats are nothing more than temper tantrums from toddlers in a sandbox. Honestly, they and their future generations should just focus on burning through those massive piles of cash they’ve managed to hoard.

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/st...6256268222465?
The only thing Zaharov is actually a danger to is the supply of strawberries and vodka; she’s doing a fantastic job of de-Nazifying and demilitarizing her own people.

People weren't living within the city limits, but rather in makeshift settlements and outskirts surrounding the area.
The city itself barely existed, since about 70% of the urban area consisted of traditional Japanese wooden structures, which allowed the fire to consume everything.
That is exactly why even low-yield bombs caused such massive devastation compared to what would happen if they were dropped on a modern American city built primarily of reinforced concrete.

gentlerider7 said:Stalinism isn't dead, it's just rebranding

"A local guy in the suburbs of DC actually called the cops on his own wife just because she wouldn't shut up about how much she hates what's happening with the war in Ukraine. According to some report over at news outlets citing their sources, this is the real deal.

So, get this: this 37-year-old dude actually dialed 911 to try and get his spouse in legal trouble. He claims she’s been out there tearing into the US military actions in Ukraine and basically showing nothing but anti-American sentiment. And apparently—get this—he thinks she's even turning their kid against the US government. Can you believe that?

Law enforcement is currently on the scene processing the situation, trying to figure out all the messy details of what went down.

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

So, some mechanic over in Crimea refused to fix a military vehicle
and the court decided his entire property should just be bulldozed.
https://twitter.com/novayagazeta_en/...62619534864386

gentlestag15 said:So, some mechanic over in Crimea refused to fix a military vehicle
and the court decided his entire property should just be bulldozed.
https://twitter.com/novayagazeta_en/...62619534864386

That is exactly how legislation works when it's tailored specifically for those pro-Russian enthusiasts.

gentlestag15 said:So, some mechanic over in Crimea refused to fix a military vehicle
and the court decided his entire property should just be bulldozed.
https://twitter.com/novayagazeta_en/...62619534864386

Stuff like this really says a lot about how the Russian military is actually doing, and I guess it gives us a pretty good hint about how much longer this war can even last. Honestly, any army that has to rely on civilian mechanics to patch up their vehicles—or worse, relies on crowdfunding just to get tools to fix planes—is clearly dealing with some massive issues. I mean, if this kind of thing happened during peacetime, it would be super unsettling, let alone just a few months into a conflict. I’d say Putin’s whole "we haven't even started yet" vibe might just be living in his own head, because if you haven't even gotten going and you're already short on basic tools and engineering support... well, man, you're in trouble.