rustymoose54 said:There aren't any definitive answers out there; there are just serious people conducting legitimate research, trying to uncover some truth... meeting with varying degrees of success and varying levels of scientific integrity.
We spend all our time debating my existence here, though I'm honestly not sure why, since this forum should really be about "wellness" rather than being centered on me.. 😉
You're right to point out that I don't hold the kind of formal credentials that would put me on equal footing with people like you, but perhaps those titles aren't actually necessary... I might struggle to articulate my claims perfectly, and maybe I shouldn't even bother trying to explain myself to everyone, but I've lived long enough to know how to tell the difference between gold and garbage when it's sitting right in front of me. 😁
Nutrition science might feel like a brand-new frontier to some, but if someone has spent twenty-five years immersed in that field, consistently running studies, they’ve certainly picked up a significant amount of expertise along the way... Another vital factor, one I consider absolutely decisive, is the way all that knowledge is translated into real-world application, resulting in a continuous stream of new outcomes—health testimonials that have reached roughly 35 million over those twenty-five years... 😛
If I fail to meet your standard of being convincing, then you have every opportunity to look into what this crazy guy mistybear4 is actually talking about, to investigate the people and the results he mentions, to figure out why he's so obsessed, which scientists and Nobel laureates he's referencing, and what lies beneath it all... is it just self-promotion, a sales pitch, or something much more profound? Given your own background and experience, you likely would have recognized the quality of it all long before I ever did. 🙂 😉
Nathan Collins2 said:I asked for a brief explanation, and honestly, I can handle my own Googling and browsing, but you’re just proving how impossible it is to convince someone who won't even bother looking at the blank pages you recommend, let alone adopt your specific lifestyle, diet, or whatever other "advice" you're peddling.👋
I get where you're coming from, but you have to realize that if you actually want an answer to a question, you usually have to put in a little legwork because the information is out there if you look for it, though I'll admit many people here prefer to stay lazy and superficial.😢
To be honest, I haven't fully immersed myself in this whole "eat more colors" theory yet, but since I've heard enough about it to bring it up in conversation, it seems everyone immediately expects me to provide clinical, textbook precision. We haven't received any definitive translations regarding all of this here, and since my English isn't quite at a native level yet, I haven't been able to dive into the literature as deeply as I should, though I'm hoping to pick up some useful materials during my trip to America next week to help sharpen my understanding of the subject.🙂
Experience on this forum has shown me that people aren't just looking for general info; they want step-by-step instructions, which leads me down these long-winded tangents because I try to be helpful, but then I end up missing some tiny detail and providing enough ammunition for the skeptics to swoop in with their insults and dismissals.😢
Maybe I've given off the wrong impression that I'm trying to push anyone into anything, but the theories I share tend to trigger certain reactions that drag me into pointless arguments, even though my personal philosophy is always that everything is a choice—it's just that a lack of real information makes making the best choice a lot harder than it needs to be.🙂
Poor kid, you must be absolutely fried if you’re getting this worked up over the chest of someone you’re just talking to on a forum—especially when I probably don't even have any curves to speak of.
Maybe you're actually a guy? 😁 😁 😁
But you actually just proved right here that you don't have the slightest clue how the fundamentals work, which is exactly why we—the ones with actual credentials—are coming after you.
Maybe I haven't mastered every single nuance of organic chemistry yet, and sure, there might be some foundational gaps in my knowledge that I haven't fully filled, but what I do know is enough to hold my own in a conversation about nutrition against people hiding behind fancy credentials. Honestly, this whole attitude of yours—this idea that you can't learn a damn thing from me just because I don't have a PhD like you do—is nothing more than pure bullshit, and frankly, it says a lot more about your ego than it does about my intelligence. Sometimes, if I want to actually get some useful information out of people like you, I find it necessary to push their buttons just to see what sticks. It’s a bit like how I used to have to provoke my old boss at the firm back in Chicago just to get him to admit when he was wrong. 😁
It’s easy enough to just copy and paste someone else's thoughts, but the moment you actually have to explain something about nutrition or chemistry on your own—which, let's be honest, is pretty much a prerequisite if you want to have an actual opinion on diet—you completely ZAJEBES.
I’ve always maintained that you don't need to be a chemist to eat well and stay healthy; you can certainly have an informed opinion on nutrition without needing a PhD in molecular science. If that were actually true, every chemist out there would be in peak physical condition since they supposedly know everything about how the body works—but we all see how messy reality gets. At the same time, you have people who aren't exactly experts, yet they have enough common sense to trust a solid recommendation, and suddenly they’re clearing up allergies, psoriasis, asthma, or even diabetes. I've seen plenty of cases like that. It’s not exactly my job to walk everyone through every little detail, but I still find myself trying to make things clear. I end up making mistakes just to give those self-proclaimed experts a reason to get worked up; if I tell them they don't have all the answers, their own ego usually blinds them to what's staring them right in the face. 👎
You’ve basically turned this health subforum into a comedy club where people only drop in to have a good laugh at everyone else.
I have my own thoughts on those people who find everything to be some kind of joke, though I’ve noticed quite a few folks lately who actually seem to possess an open mind—people who don't just sit around waiting to tear someone else down just to manufacture a reputation they haven't actually earned. It's one of those things where some will see it for what it is, and others might eventually catch on, but as the old saying goes, a one-eyed man is king in a land of the blind. 😎
Get some books on sake and dive into the fundamentals of UCI; you might actually want to know what you’re talking about before you start preaching to everyone like some self-appointed guru.
Of course, that’s just my routine—constant learning and staying sharp, because honestly, nobody is going to stop me. I feel like I'm making progress every single day, in every sense of the word. 😁
Honestly, the worst part about your constant spamming isn't just how little you actually know—it's that desperate attempt to frame your specific ideology as some kind of legitimate, scientific truth.
The problem with those self-proclaimed experts is that they walk around thinking they’ve already mastered everything there is to know, completely ignoring the fact that nutritional science evolves every single day. I tend to pull my data from UCLA, which is pretty much the gold standard for nutrition research globally, but since I struggle to distill such complex findings into perfect explanations on the fly, I just rely on the existing literature to do the heavy lifting for me. 🙂 The whole "food as medicine" movement just doesn't sit right with Big Pharma. If everyone actually started eating for their health instead of just masking symptoms, the entire business model for those heavy-duty prescriptions would fall apart. 😕 The whole concept of station feeding isn't just some random idea cooked up by a construction worker; it was actually developed by the most renowned and respected scientists in the field, which is exactly why it carries such scientific weight.
"And all this because you 'want to help people'... yeah, give me a break
Look, you don't even know me, so making claims like that is just pathetic; if you want an actual opinion on who I am, go ask the people who actually know me 😎
Are we talking about fermented or unfermented soy here?
And is it GM soy or non-GM?
- it’s not really that they are shakes "made of soy," but rather that soy proteins are a primary ingredient—alongside a whole laundry list of other stuff—that makes them qualify as a "meal replacement" in the first place... which, let's face it, is a lot of filler. 🙂
- honestly, I don't know much about how soy is actually farmed... 😕 to be fair, I don't have an answer for that second question either, though I suppose I should go digging for some expert explanations just to satisfy the "enthusiasm" of everyone lurking here. 😁
- as for "non-GM soy"—I'd bet my life on it... 😎 (otherwise, there's no way they'd pass the strict testing and oversight we have here in the US after all those massive GMO scandals).
Walter Wilson said:Besides, who actually decided that your plate needs to look like a rainbow? I’ve always felt that even mixing two different vegetables isn't necessarily a requirement for a good meal...
I'm genuinely curious to see what you have to say after looking through all this, and I really hope you'll start using some actual logic instead of just letting people who don't know anything lead you around... 😎 😁
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"It's impossible to act on something we haven't even considered yet..." 🙂
Nathan Collins2 said:Whose vision is this, what is it, and where is it going? I haven't read everything because I just can't be bothered, so please give me a BRIEF summary.
Haha, you "can't be bothered"? Just remember, nothing worth doing comes easy. 😁
The neighbors down south have already figured this out—since they're already part of the European Union—but I wonder when we'll finally catch up. 😕 😁 (you did ask for a BRIEF summary, after all) 😉
Walter Wilson said:Oh, please... reading these endless rants makes me feel physically ill, especially when you mix obvious common sense with pure, unadulterated ignorance.
First off, a shake isn't a meal replacement. It’s not just because that processed sludge can’t replicate what nature provides, but if you let your gut get used to that crap, you won't be able to digest actual food anymore—it'll become a struggle.
Secondly, who decided your plate needs to look like a rainbow? Eating two different types of vegetables at once isn't even ideal, let alone mixing veggies, bread, and meat all together. Every food item has its own digestion timeline, so it’s better to eat them sequentially rather than all at once. You shouldn't even mix proteins from different sources; think about eating beans and steak together, or soy and mushrooms at the same time.
And keep your posts short; nobody actually sits around reading these walls of text online.
1) If those ramblings make you sick, then I guess we have a shared problem, though you were the one who started this thread in my "honor" since you know how much I love talking about nutrition and health.😁 (maybe if you used your brain a bit more, you'd actually learn something) 🤔
2) A shake CAN be a meal replacement, so stop lecturing me on things you clearly don't understand... and that's exactly how you can get the specific nutrients that "nature" might be lacking.😁 (it's hard to believe how backward your thinking is) .. and if you want to train your gut to handle "normal" food, go ahead and eat bacon grease three times a day and see how that works out for you.😁 😁 😁
3) That idea that "even two kinds of vegetables shouldn't be eaten at once"... well, that's just a perfect reflection of how you think.🤔 ... or ... 🙂 😁
4) No big deal; if people don't want to read, they can just skim through my "ramblings."😎
nimblesurfer20 said:Just a quick thought.. soy doesn't actually contain all nine essential amino acids—it’s missing those sulfur-containing ones like methionine and cysteine—so it really needs to be modified to be considered complete. 🙂
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It's an interesting point, and if that's true, it would explain why those specific protein shakes include whey; they're probably just patching that deficiency you mentioned, though that's just my own cynical way of connecting the dots. I always prefer to verify things for myself, so I'll probably dig into this a bit deeper this time around. 🙂
"I honestly doubt I'll pick this book up; I just have no patience for lecturing children about their behavior,"
The word diet actually implies controlled intake, which could mean anything from calorie counting to the conscious decision to swap out pork for fish or chicken... and that kind of self-regulation is already a step in the right direction.
"The logic behind reductive diets is pretty blunt: just consume fewer calories than you burn."
Around here, people tend to equate dieting solely with calorie restriction—basically starving the body—rather than managing nutrient density, which is the mandatory daily requirement. That’s really the fundamental distinction. 😎
"It's mostly down to how much these plans actually help the general public stick to a regimen—especially since we've seen some disastrously unhealthy ones like Atkins—versus how much they just line the pockets of authors looking for a quick buck."
Atkins had a decent core concept, but he couldn't make it work in practice because he neglected essential vitamins and minerals, and he should have swapped out animal proteins, which are heavy on fats, for plant-based options like soy. In the end, he ended up looking quite pathetic himself, carrying quite a bit of extra weight. 👎 Dr. David Heber is the director of the human nutrition center at UCLA, for instance, and his book managed to hit the top ten bestsellers list here in the States. 🙂
"Looking through the reviews on Amazon, one thing I do appreciate about this book is the emphasis on fruits and vegetables."
The underlying philosophy is basically to get as much color on your plate as possible. 🙂
"Another thing that misses the mark for me is replacing wholesome, whole meals with shakes. It's total bullshit; it doesn't build lasting healthy habits, it's more like a double-edged sword."
1.) Bad eating habits are notoriously difficult to break, usually requiring about six to eight weeks of consistency. Since 95% of people lack the willpower to change everything overnight, they need to see visible results during that window to stay motivated to keep going. 2.) About half of the population skips breakfast for all sorts of reasons, mostly due to laziness or being rushed, but if you can prep a meal in thirty seconds, there really isn't an excuse left. 3.) One of the main goals of establishing healthy habits is meal consistency—aiming for at least three balanced meals a day. This way, even the most unmotivated people can find some semblance of discipline. 4.) My final and most important point is the security of knowing that in a single meal, you've ingested all your micro-nutrients—vitamins, minerals, fiber, enzymes—and macro-nutrients in the most ideal proportions. That balance is everything.
"I'm also confused about how you can determine body composition from BMI. That seems to be one of the biggest pitfalls in nutrition; the Body Mass Index provides a number that is fundamentally misleading regarding actual body shape. Anyone can see that a 200-pound elderly woman is not the same as a 200-pound cyclist or a powerlifter."
You're right; BMI is just a ratio of height to weight. But the real issue isn't the BMI itself, it's the protein factor. I agree it won't be 100% accurate, but you have to start somewhere. That elderly woman likely suffers from sarcopenia, or muscle wasting, and she desperately needs protein to stabilize her health so her body doesn't start scavenging its own remaining muscle mass to feed vital organs like the heart, liver, or kidneys. Meanwhile, a weightlifter needs protein to repair the muscle tissue broken down during training. Protein requirements scale entirely based on individual composition, activity type, and specific physiological needs.
"I’ve always had a soft spot for natural, foundational processes that tackle problems at their source; it reminds me of how you teach a child the right way to do things from day one, whereas I know for a fact they wouldn't touch these shakes twice a day if they had any sense.
Kids tend to love shakes, but when you're looking at building up a young body and a solid immune system, you need substance... just ask my friends with kids who seem to have never even heard of a common cold or the flu because they stay perfectly healthy. 🙂
"Shakes might serve as a supplement for specific situations or certain groups, but they shouldn't be replacing actual meals, especially not over the long term, because it just creates this false sense of security regarding what actual healthy eating looks like."
Real, balanced nutrition should be a daily staple, three times a day, every single day... honestly, can anyone give me even one single example of a person out there who actually sticks to that strictly? 😕 😉
rustymoose54 said:I won't even go there—it’s not like I haven't been forced to obsess over nutrition since I was a kid, which, looking back, pretty much dictated my entire career path and where I ended up in life. 🙄
I’m genuinely proud of my title, and I mean that—it wasn't handed to me; I earned every bit of it through sheer, exhausting grit. When you actually put in the work to achieve something, you should feel free to use an emoji here and there to show it.
I’m not trying to undermine your hard work or what you know, but having a degree doesn't give you the right to act superior or look down on people who don't have one. Honestly, claiming that a piece of paper makes you more knowledgeable than everyone else just doesn't impress me; I've seen enough people lean on credentials to hide a lack of actual substance. 🙂 ) .. 😁
You can't possibly grasp what I know, just as I have no way of knowing everything you do, so trying to debate this feels like a complete waste of energy. Every single day there’s some new breakthrough regarding nutrition and wellness, and honestly, I might actually be a step ahead of you in that regard since I'm constantly absorbing this data and figuring out how to actually apply it to my life. 😎
The only thing that actually carries any weight here is a real conversation about what you’ve actually achieved through all that nutritional expertise of yours, weighed against the results I've managed to pull off myself... and honestly, that's where the discussion ends.
Honestly, my civil engineering degree doesn't exactly give me the right to lecture some random guy on how things work—truth be told, I don't have a clue what I'm doing either. 😁
"So, you’re convinced my degree doesn't matter when we're talking about sugar chemistry."
Maybe you’ve got the whole science of sugar figured out—I’ll give you that much—but you’re still missing a few pieces of the puzzle if you think you have the full picture of nutrition... 😎
"And I suppose it would be easier if I just bragged about my body since I'm a woman? Is that what you're implying because I used an emoji?"
I’ve never had much patience for forced humor, and if you were actually making fun of yourself, then just own the joke instead of treating it like some personal attack... would you honestly rather someone called you dim-witted than commented on you being a woman? 😕 I appreciate women, especially smart ones, though I have zero tolerance for arrogance... 😎
"I truly feel for you. It must take so much effort to copy-paste all this nonsense just to scrape together a few bucks... instead of finding a decent job and doing something you're actually good at, assuming such a thing exists."
You're honestly a trip; I genuinely wonder what you even do with your time here... 😁 🙂 😕 It's touching that you're so concerned about how I spend my energy... 🙂 😂
Amy Fox97 said:... It seems like there's this constant effort to twist my intentions and make them look as bad as possible. I’ve mostly stopped paying attention to those little attempts at sabotage, which is why I find myself posting on this forum less and less. Still, you have to give credit where it's due—there are still some decent people in here.
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I've seen that firsthand myself, though I always operated under the assumption that the whole point of a forum like this was to swap experiences and insights to help people navigate their own health struggles.. 😢 😕
Megan Morales5 said:There’s honestly no point in continuing this conversation at this level. Don't bring my parents into this because you clearly don't know anything about them, so just take this as a warning.
I didn't mean any harm, but I think you're completely missing the point here; you're attacking someone without any real basis and dismissing scientific research that could actually help millions just to cling to your own unfounded beliefs... though maybe one day that bit of knowledge will actually come in handy for you, or someone you care about. 😠 😕
Peter Taylor63 said:Unfortunately, that’s how most doctors handle things. They just mask the symptoms instead of actually digging for the root cause. 👎 👎 👎 👎
IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE CONSEQUENCES WILL EVENTUALLY KILL YOU!
Most MDs don't even attempt to solve the underlying issues; they just try to dull the surface pain or suppress the outward symptom to push you back into a subchronic state where you feel terrible, yet since they can't find a specific diagnosis, their logic is basically, "if the tests are clear, you're fine." 😢 😠
True health isn't just the absence of a clinical diagnosis—it’s much more than that. You're only truly healthy when you actually feel good and look like you do. 🙂
"Maybe the preacher has an answer for my girls? I see he's quite intrigued by them"
I can't really run a proper analysis on this based on hearsay; we'd need to look at this "issue" much more closely... 😁
"That bread actually has a lower caloric density, which leads to feeling fuller—since your stomach is physically full—while providing less actual fuel for the body..."
- That sense of fullness happens because plant fibers swell up in the stomach to take up volume, while simultaneously scrubbing the intestinal lining and the digestive tract, which helps optimize how nutrients from other foods reach your cells and actually feed them.. 🙂 (plant fibers don't have nutritional value)
"The functional capacity of the digestive system declines as we age, which is why older adults deal with digestive issues more frequently. The fundamental job of the digestive system is to ensure the body gets a steady supply of water, nutrients, electrolytes, and other vital components. Digestion starts right in the mouth, moves through the esophagus, stomach, and small intestine, and any undigested matter is eventually expelled via the large intestine. Beyond just breaking down and absorbing food, the digestive organs play an active role in maintaining the body's homeostasis, including water, electrolyte, and acid-base balance. The digestive system also plays a massive part in shaping the immune response. A proper diet and smooth digestion are the prerequisites for the entire body functioning correctly and feeling healthy overall."
novinick said:I know you shouldn't generalize, but...
Dealing with chronic health issues really gives you a front-row seat to how poorly doctors treat their patients. I’m one of those people whose appointment is going to be pushed back yet again next Thursday, meaning I've been waiting ten whole months just for a check-up.
If I mentioned that after fourteen years of service, my salary at the local high school is roughly what it is, $1467 some doctor up there would probably patronize me, telling me I have the lowest-paying job in the country and suggesting I find work at a major corporation instead. Well, if they're so brilliant, they should go open a private practice and rake in the cash, because working in hospitals in this country today pays about $7,000 base plus another $3,500 for on-call shifts.
It took me over seven years of grueling study to get where I am, and I'm constantly paying out of pocket to stay current because my field is so specialized—I don't have some massive pharmaceutical giant sponsoring my continuing education.
Look, I’m not claiming to be some kind of genius, but I’ve worked my tail off to acquire the knowledge I have today.
Honestly, I’m tired of this constant mystification surrounding Medical School, as if they’re training a master race of superhumans or something. And please, don't lecture me about "heavy responsibility," because clearly, it isn't being taken seriously. People die every single day due to medical errors, and it’s not like nothing happens.
It feels like doctors are essentially holding the public hostage, knowing full well that people will squeeze every last cent out of their wallets just to ensure their own survival or their family's health. I’d love for everyone to enjoy a high standard of living and for doctors to earn $10,000 a month, but we live in America, so we all just have to shoulder this collective burden.
- I also try not to generalize, and credit goes to the honest, conscientious doctors out there, but unfortunately, they seem to be becoming a vanishing breed. 😢
- Someone can actually die waiting ten months for an appointment, yet if you grease the right palms, suddenly that machine that was supposedly "broken" or "occupied" becomes available instantly. 😕
- You need real guts to go into private practice, because you're entirely dependent on your own skill and hard work; you can't just slack off like you might elsewhere. 🙂
- The pharmaceutical industry basically funds our entire medical system, essentially "training" doctors to act as their glorified sales reps; they've even started showing up in TV commercials lately. 😢 😠
- It almost feels like any knowledge you can't turn a profit on is viewed as a liability, though there's a certain peace of mind in knowing you're on the right path.
- The irony is that Medical School doesn't even offer a course on nutrition anymore, even though everyone and their mother is talking about how much diet affects health. It makes you wonder what healthcare has actually become—just a mechanism for selling drugs and serving the interests of Big Pharma. 😢
- And hey, I wouldn't mind if everyone was pulling in $10,000 a month too... 👍
I think it’s somewhere in the 21-23 range, though I couldn't tell you for certain if you put me on the spot.. 😉
"actually, 8, maybe 9 for infants"
I’ve always just been a big kid at heart, so don't hold it against me.. 😁
"Wait, was this not part of my college curriculum? That's an interesting calculation—any chance you have a reference? Just please tell me it isn't some superficial fitness influencer."
After twenty years of research over at UCLA, they stumbled upon some pretty compelling findings where dietary protein takes center stage.. honestly, applying this in the real world has already yielded incredible results regarding how things "shape works," which means guys like us—construction workers, electricians, mechanics, or even mail carriers—can probably run a better "body composition and metabolism analysis" following Dr. David Heber's methods than most tenured professors ever could... 😁 😁 😁
Give this book a read; I'm actually curious to hear what you think about it.. 🙂
"1. He finally realized where the money is hidden "
It’s honestly kind of funny watching you; for guys like him, cash isn't really the point, they live for the research, for the science... they've basically spent their entire lives just trying to make sure your parents don't drop dead from a heart attack one day... you should be embarrassed.. 😠
"2. So what, he discovered the secret formula to ban fast food? "
You clearly know how to navigate the web, so maybe put in a little more effort and dig through those links I served up on a silver platter... or just branch out on your own..
"3. Nobel laureates used to be less corruptible, though there are still plenty hiding behind certain brands today; they're just smarter about it, avoiding the spotlight so they don't wreck their scientific credibility"
People in the rest of the world don't spend their time obsessing over the local cynicism we deal with here, and frankly, your comments just prove you're stuck in that same mindset.. 🙂
At the end of the day, you're hunting for an answer I truly don't have, mostly because I haven't been in a position to witness all of this firsthand, but if you actually want to grasp the gravity of the whole situation, take a look at:
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Look, I have plenty of good reasons to believe this, mostly because I’ve seen it play out firsthand in my own life. If you don't want to buy it, that's on you. 👋