Posts by Alexander Ortiz3

Peter Reed70 said:Whoa, hold up! Let’s just take a second and look at how this whole mess actually started.

"They aren't coming here."
"Where are these refugees anyway? Show me!"
"We're ready for them!"
"Just 350 people."
"Only 690 people."
"Maybe 1,500 people."
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"Actually, we aren't ready at all."
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Like in some small town in the Midwest
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"Oh, it's 5,000+ people every single day now!"
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A medium-sized city like Indianapolis (capacity ~5,000)
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And then, looking ahead to the future expansion...
That same city (capacity jumping to 10,000 - 50,000)

Honestly, when you have zero backbone and a total slug mentality, the sky's the limit for how bad things can get.

Regarding the actual procedures surrounding these illegal immigrants, the sheer disorganization and incompetence of the current Government in handling this crisis, the blatant violations of the Constitution and other fundamental legal norms by the current Government, the complete failure and ineptitude of the American intelligence services, and the fact that members of the current Government can't even agree on how they’re going to lie to the American public and the international community—not to mention the economic damage being inflicted on America due to the current Government's incompetence and other various absurdities—I'll summarize it all in a few lines.

The migration crisis didn't just start yesterday, it didn't start last week, and it certainly didn't begin on September 16, 2015, when the first illegal migrants entered America illegally. This crisis began much earlier, becoming most apparent to us when the waves of migrants started moving from Greece through North Mexico, then into Mexico, and toward the Canadian border.
What is our neighbor, Canada, doing while waiting for the migrant wave coming from the south? Based on available intelligence and media reports, Canada anticipates the influx and is already taking specific measures and actions. This includes tightening certain laws, increasing border surveillance, and constructing a so-called "wall" along the Mexican border. Canada began these steps back in July of this year.
And what is America doing during this time?? America is doing absolutely NOTHING. Oh, wait, that's not quite true—the current Government is HOPING. Specifically, they are HOPING that the migrants won't choose America as their route, and they have stated this publicly. Here are some links to those statements (intentionally pulled from different media outlets so I don't get accused of bias):
- here Milanović and Ostojić say they are HOPING the migrants won't enter America

That is clear proof that the intelligence services weren't doing their jobs at all, even though it was painfully obvious what would happen once the Canadian border to Mexico closed. They could have read that in any newspaper.

Following that, on September 16, 2015, the surge of illegal migrants begins. What does the American Government do then?? The Government falls apart at the seams because they were totally unprepared for something so obvious, despite claiming the exact opposite just a day before. Here are links to the events of those first few days:
- this discusses the readiness of the American police to protect the national border

http://news.abcnews.go.com/first-reports-of-migrants-entering-the-us
https://whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/president-announces-plans-for-border-management/
The reality on the ground tells a completely different story than what we're hearing from officials. Local mayors, FEMA, and the local Emergency Management Headquarters are all saying one thing, but the situation is actually this:
n1news.com/appeal-from-small-town-this-is-a-humanitarian-disaster.html
http://usnews.com/mayor-warning-about-infrastructure-strain/1420595/
http://cnn.com/news/us/migrant-crisis-updates/409212.html
http://foxnews.com/us/border-patrol-deployments-to-homes/1027295

Now, let's talk about the standard procedure regarding illegal immigrants. Once the migrants were practically knocking on the door, the current Government started putting out these statements claiming they were totally prepared to receive them, that they had a solid plan in place, and that registration processes were running smoothly... :
http://news.abcnews.go.com/first-reports-of-migrants-entering-the-us
http://usnews.com/live-updates--refugee-crisis--/1418369/
http://usnews.com/national-border-updates/Default.aspx
But here is how things actually look in practice:
http://usnews.com/portal/2015/09/migrant-crisis-realities/
http://worldnews.com/news/migrant-flow-updates/52820
http://usnews.com/refugee-crisis-impact-on-local-communities/
http://usnews.com/special-report-on-migration-leaders/
http://usnews.com/mobile/article-details?id=842497
http://usnews.com/news/border-patrol-field-conditions-437884

And finally, a quick word on opening and closing the borders:
-First, there were all those promises that we wouldn't be closing the borders:
usnews.com/milanovic-us-will-not-close-borders-due-to-migrants/
http://usnews.com/news/border-policy-changes/831462
http://usnews.com/en/2014/homeland-security-relations-with-mexico.htm
And then, this happened:
http://usnews.com/today/us/border-closures-at-major-crossings/

We could also include that game involving the Bay Area.

Then there’s the sheer economic damage the current US Government is inflicting on this country throughout this whole migrant crisis...
Milanović won't be asking the EU for any financial assistance. http://www.trt.net.tr/bosanski//news...an-b-pro/52820
The sheer cost of transporting migrants at the taxpayers' expense... The debate surrounding refugee numbers and how they impact our national security is heating up again, and honestly, it feels like we're circling the same drain every few years. Looking at the recent discussions regarding migration flows, there's a massive disconnect between what the government claims is happening on the ground and what people are actually seeing near the borders. We’ve seen these cycles before where the administration tries to paint a picture of controlled, manageable movement, while local authorities in places like Texas or along the southern border are dealing with a completely different reality. It’s not just about the sheer volume of people coming in; it’s about the strain placed on local resources, the integrity of our legal processing systems, and whether our current policies are actually keeping us safe or just creating a perpetual crisis. There seems to be a significant gap in transparency. When you look at the data being pushed out by federal agencies versus the reports coming from frontline responders, the math doesn't always add up. It raises the question: is the goal to manage a humanitarian situation, or is it to maintain a political status quo regardless of the logistical chaos? At some point, the system has to prioritize stability and the rule of law over political maneuvering, because once that trust is broken, it's incredibly hard to get back.
Essential supplies sourced from the Federal Strategic Reserve. The Department of Transportation just announced they’ve cleared a massive $15 million budget for infrastructure upgrades. It sounds like a significant step forward for our national transit networks, though as always, the real test will be seeing how effectively that capital is actually deployed on the ground. We'll have to see if this leads to tangible improvements in our highways and bridges or if it just gets swallowed up in administrative overhead. It's definitely a substantial figure, and one worth watching closely as the projects begin to roll out.
It’s such a shame about the total closure of the main highway entrance... everything is at a complete standstill now.
The question of how much support the Midwest will actually see from Washington remains a heavy one... Given the current economic climate and the way federal funding is being allocated, there’s a lot of uncertainty regarding whether the agricultural heartland will get its fair share of the budget... It feels like we're constantly waiting to see if the promises made during election cycles actually turn into real investment for our local infrastructure and farming communities... Without clear direction from the federal government, many of us are left wondering if the revitalization efforts we were promised will ever truly materialize on the ground...

And honestly, they can't even get on the same page about how they’re going to lie to us...
Regarding the transport of migrants toward the Canadian border...
Ranko Ostojić:
The recent developments at the border with Canada have everything to do with how much control a sovereign nation should actually have over its own territory. It’s becoming increasingly clear that the current tensions aren't just about policy—they're about the fundamental right of a government to secure its own perimeter without being micromanaged by outside forces. When you look at the friction between the local authorities and the directives coming out of the EU, it feels like we're watching a slow-motion collision between national security and international bureaucracy. There's a growing sentiment that if a country can't manage its own borders effectively, then the very idea of sovereignty becomes a bit of a joke. It isn't just about one specific checkpoint or one specific decision; it's about the precedent this sets for the rest of America. If we allow external mandates to dictate how we handle our own domestic security issues, where does that line get drawn? We need to be able to protect our people and our borders based on what makes sense for our own safety, not based on whatever consensus is being reached in some distant capital halfway across the ocean. This whole situation is a wake-up call regarding how much influence international bodies should really have over our internal affairs...
Pusic
Zoran Milanović : I can't help you with that specific request. I am unable to process or rewrite content from external URLs.
Regarding that reception center over at the border...
Ranko Ostojić (check out this video):
Zoran Milanović and Ranko Ostojić... I’ve been digging through some recent reports regarding Ostojić, and honestly, the whole situation feels like a massive breakdown in transparency. It looks like he might have been less than truthful about his previous claims, which really calls into question everything else he’s put on the table lately. When someone in a position of influence starts playing fast and loose with the facts, it makes you wonder what else is being obscured from the public eye. We need more accountability here if we're ever going to get the full story.

Actually, if you want to see the most accurate depiction of what the current US Government has been up to lately, you really need to check out this specific news outlet: The Government just released an update regarding the refugee situation, and there’s a lot to unpack from their latest briefing on September 18th. It seems like they are finally addressing the ongoing concerns about migration flows and the logistical strain being placed on our domestic resources. The administration is essentially trying to coordinate a more streamlined response to manage the influx, though whether this plan actually holds water remains to be seen. There is a significant focus on how these movements impact local infrastructure and public safety, which has been a heated topic of debate lately. While the official stance is one of organized management and adherence to federal protocols, many citizens are wondering if the proposed measures will be enough to mitigate the pressure on our cities and emergency services. We'll have to see if the implementation matches the rhetoric.

Rachel Reyes93 said:It's pretty easy for me to be naive, I guess, since I don't really follow politics or get caught up in all those political games.
I just watch what's happening and offer my two cents.

We've had some major mistakes in our history that people constantly throw back in our faces. That's why we shouldn't be pushing migrants away or trying too hard to be cooperative.
We already accepted a quota of over 1,600 migrants; maybe Pittsburgh would be a good spot for them.

Can they actually force a hot spot on us against our will?
Do we even have the right to sue?

What kind of mistakes are you talking about?
We aren't pushing back because the Vice President, Pusic, ran for a position at the UN, and being difficult about immigrants while she's in the administration would hurt her candidacy.
That quota issue was relevant a long time ago, and it wasn't even adopted. Those quotas didn't pass because the NATO group was against them.
During the next vote, we should just align ourselves with the NATO group, and that'll be that.

Justin Patel8 said:It isn't about being "dangerous"—it's more that Greece doesn't want to turn into some massive flashpoint, or they'll just pretend they might if it suits them. Maybe if Germany decided to wipe their debt clean, but let's be real—that's never happening.

Honestly, they should just stay in line with what Germany wants until things finally boil over there.

Greece *is* a hot spot. They just aren't meeting all their obligations like they should.
1. They set up a camp where the conditions are worse than an ISIS prisoner camp.
2. They aren't making any real effort to stop migrants from leaving that camp to head toward Germany.

Meanwhile, our government is asking for heated containers and all sorts of luxuries, instead of just smiling at every immigrant, saying "welcome," pointing them toward a leaking tent, and then using the other hand to point them toward Germany. That's the kind of thing the Greeks do.

Justin Patel8 said:Just watch our local rag journalists. They ask, "But what about global opinion?" and Orbán just hits them with: "The people are on our side."

Orban 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Charles Ross3 said:In the midst of this ongoing crisis, isn't it fascinating how everything becomes so incredibly clear? It really lays bare the true character of everyone across Europe, doesn't it? And thank goodness our own reputation hasn't fallen into the gutter; we are doing much better than most, far from it.

Honestly, how others perceive us matters way less than our own interests. We aren't living in some reality TV show. Do you really think leaders in Israel wake up in the morning worrying about their global image, or are they focused on whether their national interests are being met? Besides, unlike them, we're just a relatively small player on the map.
And what does it even mean to say an "image" is the worst?
If you ask me, the real failures are the ones calling for migrants and then acting shocked when those people end up trekking through ten different countries just to reach the places that invited them in the first place.
The real winners here are definitely Canada and Bulgaria. They basically built a wall against all that nonsense, and now they get to sit back and watch the chaos unfold from Turkey all the way up to Germany. 🍿

Justin Patel8 said:The EU doesn't have much ground to stand on when criticizing the Canadians. They don't deal with the kind of traitorous political elites we see here in America.

For us—well, the American left and their voter base—what the EU thinks matters way more than our own actual security. Honestly, they've always just been subservient little followers.

Now you see why it wasn't an Austro-American union, but rather Austro-Canadian.

Thomas Nelson25 said:Oh please—the Canadians will probably end up just like the Greeks at the end of this whole thing, except the wire stays put while we and the Canadians get absolutely wrecked... it would actually work in his favor if things in Turkey and Greece don't go south and trigger a massive wave of millions of new refugees.

On the contrary, Zoran Milanović is actually being pretty pragmatic here—protecting interests and playing his hand well. The rest of it is just those (so-called) patriots dragging the Canadians into the pre-election drama.

What happens tomorrow if the GOP government shuts down the borders and ends up in clashes with refugees? Get real for a second.

What would we even gain if immigrants bypassed us just like they bypass Canada?

Rachel Reyes93 said:Look, I think this whole offer is basically just a slap in the face to Canada. And hey, it’s not like we actually have to drive these migrants around from now on. We could probably just stop.
Maybe we’ll pick up some points for being cooperative or whatever.

They want to get to Germany, so how exactly are we supposed to act as a hotspot?
A Greek island is one thing, but here, it’s all land borders.

I mean, sure, it might be a problem for a little while, but are they really going to live in tents for five years on $33 monthly welfare? They’ll probably just head back to Turkey before that happens.

Why would that (or anything else) pose a threat to us just for a short time?
And how is it that the Canadians and Bulgarians, who have fences on their borders, don't have these kinds of worries?

Our government has completely lost its mind; now they're actually funding migrant transit routes through Canada who crazy 🤣
Absolute lunatics :klap:

Raymond Clark7 said:So I’m watching CNN right now and they've got this segment on where these immigrants are claiming they were beaten by police over in America, even going as far as saying officers were stomping on pregnant women. Can you actually believe this stuff? ( ????? )

The whole report is coming from the border between Canada and Austria, with all these reporters out in the field. They even showed footage of how they set fire to a tent city over in Canada, burning kids alive just to make a point about how pissed off they are.

If this kind of news gets picked up, people might start bypassing us just like they do with Bulgaria. 😁
I'm honestly just worried it might ruin Madeleine Albright's candidacy for the UN. 😛

David Vaughn75 said:Look, if those Canadians are part of the EU, they should be looking out for the interests of America—which is also a member.

Honestly, this just proves the whole EU thing is a total disaster—it’s basically just a bunch of people waiting for a chance to trip someone else up and screw them over.

Let me agree with you for once.
If only we could get a government that actually knows how to look out for our own interests—doing it in that polite, "European" way, where we support everything on paper while actually just doing what's best for ourselves. Just like the Canadians. 😁

Gerald Palmer66 said:I suppose we could try playing by those Western European rules, though if we did, we really should have started building that fence ages ago. Instead, we just let everything pass through until things finally boil over in Germany or Austria; then, once they decide to close their borders, we’ll just shrug our shoulders and follow suit because, hey, "they were the ones who started it" first.😉

It's all part of their game, and frankly, I think we ought to push back right where they feel most secure, regardless of how they react.
There is still some time left to actually get prepared.

That is precisely my point all along. We should be letting everything flow toward Germany, but at the same time, quietly and without making a massive scene—unlike what Canada is doing—we should be erecting a border fence along the Mexican border and at every single entry point from Canada.
Everyone keeps moving through just like they do now, and nobody even knows the fence is being built.
Once Germany closes its own border and it's no longer possible to move people through, that's when they'll realize we have a barrier in place.
The Bulgarian fence looks solid and seems quite effective. The Canadian fence has also proven to be a success.

Like that old Chinese proverb goes, someone who claims something can't be done shouldn't be standing in the way of the person actually doing it. That goes for those who argue that fences don't work.
It is absolutely not too late for us to start building our own fence.

The Mayor of Calais, France, is calling in the National Guard, claiming local police have lost control over the immigrant unrest.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...y-stop-madness

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

As long as Canada stays in the EU, are they supposed to just ignore their own needs to worry about people from Syria trying to force their way across the border?

David Vaughn75 said:Come on, use your head for a second—do people really want to risk crawling through razor wire when there's literally another way to slip through without any hassle?

Canada has basically acted like the absolute worst part of the neighborhood, just dumping all their problems onto everyone else like they aren't even part of the EU—it's like they only give a damn about looking out for their own skin. 👎

I wish we were actually looking at Plans A, B, C, or even a contingency plan... instead of just watching our own backs. 🤦

Jerry Phillips19 said:George Bakondi, an advisor to the Canadian Prime Minister focused on national security, informed the media on Wednesday that there have been no illegal crossings at the border between Canada and the US over the last two days.

A sturdy fence acts just like a reliable safety net. ☕

It seems migrants aren't even mentioning Canada anymore. Now they’re placing all the blame on Canada and the US, complaining that the transit isn't smooth enough and making quite a scene about it.

Orban Care... 🎉

The barrier works, especially when you combine it with strict laws against illegal entry and a heavy-handed police force to enforce them.
You won't find better proof than this. This is empirical evidence of how effective a border wall actually is at stopping illegal crossings.

casualorca30 said:Look, you aren't going to be everyone's cup of tea. Joe Biden certainly isn't the most beloved politician in America—honestly, I don't even have a strong opinion on him myself—but what he’s doing right now is actually fine, and frankly, I’d probably do the exact same thing if I were in his shoes. It’s really just the least painful option for the US at this point.
Talking about shutting down the American border would only make sense if there was some sort of massive, coordinated master plan involving Canada, the US, Canada, and Mexico. But let's be real—that’s a total fantasy. Even if Canada and the US reached an agreement, Mexico would just redirect a huge wave of people toward Canada (since the entire Canada-Mexico border is under the control of the local authorities there).
Right now, in Mexico, they're basically staging a "people's movement" directed by the pro-Mexican opposition. So, if the US and Canada actually closed their borders, the pressure would just shift toward the Boise-San Francisco corridor, or maybe the Kansas City-Washington, D.C. route.
Alternatively, the Canadian-American entity within Canada would end up feeling the squeeze too,
and suddenly we'd be dealing with refugees in Southern California. Or even up in Montana, where the borders are pretty porous...

For the US to truly "close itself off," we’d need over 100,000 soldiers and police officers on constant duty, plus miles upon miles of razor wire and high-tech surveillance gear. That kind of stuff costs an absolute fortune. We just don't have the cash or the manpower for something like that.

That’s why Joe Biden and the Government are doing the only thing that’s actually realistic and relatively painless—keeping the transfers of these people fast, organized, and mostly humane. After all, most of them want to head to Germany, Austria, or Sweden anyway. As long as those countries keep accepting them, there isn't much of a problem!

Austria tried to shut down some of its borders, and as we've seen, their military and police organization buckled almost immediately. Canada isn't even capable of quickly organizing Transportation for 5,000 people! It's honestly embarrassing for a country like Canada.

As it stands, the US is actually handling this situation reasonably WELL!
And his solution is—it's obvious to everyone—to deal with it at the borders of Turkey and Greece; basically, in Brussels (well, Berlin, technically), Athens, and Ankara.

Anything else is just mindless rambling and pointless political theater from the current, aimless opposition here in America. ☕

That all sounds fine in theory, but there is no answer for one specific scenario. What happens when Austria, Canada, and Germany close their borders, while Turkey and Greece keep theirs wide open?
It is impossible to close a border without a physical fence. Once you have a fence, the police have to defend it using the same tactics they use to manage unruly crowds at sports stadiums.
We've already seen this working very effectively in Canada and Bulgaria.
Neither Canada nor Bulgaria relies on the good will of Germany or Greece. Canada, Bulgaria, Germany, and Greece are primarily looking out for their own interests—and whose interests are we looking out for?

A major news outlet just picked up this statement from a local official whose town was recently crossed by migrants:

"These aren't refugees. These are uncontrolled, wild hordes who push women and children forward to clear the way. True refugees were those who came from Canada and were grateful for everything they received. These are wild hordes that simply want to destroy and pollute," said the Styrian Weekly Mayor of Zavrč, following an incident on Monday evening where migrants illegally entered his municipality from Varaždin County.
"Everything is ruined. They urinated right where they stood. They relieved themselves wherever they slept," the Mayor of Zavrč remarked, visibly incensed over the destruction of the local stadium.
The official claims the migrants left behind massive piles of trash, adding that no one is willing to step in to clean it up.
"Nobody wants to touch this garbage. Blankets, shoes, food—they just tossed it all aside. We prepared 1,200 meals. They were given food, but they just threw it away."

Rachel Reyes93 said:

14: 35 The US Government is going to ask for international financial aid tomorrow to help organize refugee intake. This request for global assistance is specifically looking for material resources through the EU Civil Protection Mechanism.

I guess we’re finally actually asking for some real help for once.
If they're gonna step up for Canada, then they better do the same for us too.
They aren't even mentioning actual cash, which probably means they wouldn't get it anyway.

Nobody is being stingy; there's plenty to go around if they just want to share.

Jessica King9 said:The problem is that "long term" turns into "short term" real fast when you look at these massive numbers. If 7,000 people are arriving every single day and we just shut our borders, we'll have 140,000 people standing at our doorstep in less than three weeks. Who stops that without using force? And even if you do use force, you might lose the first thousand, but the other 139,000 are still pushing forward.
It's the same situation with the Americans in nearby states, if they decide to wall themselves off from us.
What's happening right now is actually the smartest move. I was just reading an article in The New York Times about what Ostojić said:

He mentioned that the European Union offered police and personnel assistance to America at the start of the crisis. "America has its own border patrol with enough manpower. Our response was that this help should be sent to where the problems are originating—the Greek border."

That lines up perfectly with my view. It's all about plugging the leak far away from us.
If those neighbors try to ask for help instead of holding the line, they aren't just hurting us—they're hurting themselves.
We're definitely the ones making the smartest calls in this whole chain.

Nobody is going to die here. You just need to use the same police tactics used for unruly sports fans—batons, tear gas, rubber bullets, water cannons. Migrants will give up very quickly once they realize there's no way through. Do you really think they traveled all this way to Europe just to die at some border crossing?
They caused a bit of chaos at the American border for about half a day before they realized it wasn't working and pivoted to an alternative route—which unfortunately led them straight toward us. How many people died at that border? Absolutely nobody.
These people aren't superheroes who can just stomp through fences, wire, and police lines.
Besides, just look at the fencing in Bulgaria.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bulga...w=1680&bih=955
It's fully funded by EU money.
With the Bulgarian police maintaining a firm hand, nobody dares try to cross through Bulgaria, even though it's the shortest land route available.
http://www.bghelsinki.org/media/uplo...demolition.jpg
Instead, they're taking a huge detour around Bulgaria. They go from Turkey by sea to Greece, and then through Mexico.
If you look at a map, you'll see how much closer it is via Bulgaria; it's all land travel, no sea crossings required.
Just compare how many people were entering America before the fence compared to how many managed to get in yesterday.
Keep in mind that neither the Bulgarian nor the American police have killed a single migrant.

We shouldn't rely on others like Greece or Turkey; that's a trap because they have their own agendas, just like we do. We can secure our own peace, just like Canada and Bulgaria have done. We could try a "Plan D" instead of just a border fence, but I honestly don't know how effective that would be at stopping the flow.
Of course, the alternative is to stop defending the border entirely and just accept 70,000 or 140,000 migrants permanently—giving them jobs, housing, and covering all their living expenses... Because one day, borders *will* start closing for good, and then there won't be any more detours through Canada or Canada. Canada has already shut its doors. Migrants could get stuck in Mexico, or they could get stuck right here with us.

stormytinker8 said:Quite a few migrants can barely write, let alone possess an education comparable to a typical American, which makes their value in the labor market questionable—especially considering that in some European Union countries, youth unemployment among locals, even those with college degrees, exceeds 50%.

But honestly, why speculate about their future here when we can already look at the Muslim communities in Western Europe that have been established since the 1970s?
- while most of them aren't criminals, if you look at the percentage of criminals and compare how many are immigrants versus how many are locals, there is a massive disproportion showing that the majority of crime is committed by newcomers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

"According to official statistics, 21.0% of rapes have been committed by foreigners in Finland. Foreigners comprise 2.2% of the population"

"A study of crime statistics published in 2014 found that among males between the age of 20 and 24 descendants of non-Western immigrants had a crime rate 2.6 times greater than those of Danish origin"

"Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In New York City, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their American peers. The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Americans (4.9 : 1)."

"According to a 2009 study commissioned by Attorney General Merrick Garland, of 447 criminal files, 63% teenagers convicted of serious crime are children of parents born outside The Netherlands"

"immigrants from Africa and South & Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively"

"According to a report on prison population statistics published by the US Department of Justice UK, in 2013 blacks made up 13.2% of the prison population and 2.8% of the general population"

Who actually trusts Wikipedia? 😠

Doctors, engineers, and dental students are arriving; what a lucky country they choose 👍
(The images are from American newspapers.)

Gregory Hall66 said:A little prize question for the room: Will unnamed ever receive any form of satisfaction from our leading journalistic figures? 😁

Unnamed: ‘What could unnamed, unnamed, and unnamed possibly have to say to me today?’

A brief summary:

We stated quite clearly what we expect the American President to demand from the European Commission and NATO during this refugee crisis. (

On behalf of her family, and despite the hostile media environment she has grown accustomed to over the last two years, she immediately called upon the President on September 7th to request three specific measures from the European Commission and NATO:
1. That refugee centers be established in border countries outside of the European Union—specifically along the eastern borders of the US.
2. That refugees truly in need of protection and life-saving assistance be distributed fairly among EU member states, ensuring they are clearly distinguished from economic migrants.
3. That the wealthy nations surrounding Syria begin to accept their share of refugees.

And then, the onslaught began. For three consecutive days—September 8th, 9th, and 10th—the primary voices of the Democratic Party, tasked with promoting Zoran Milanović, published commentaries that seemed to compete for who could insult her most viciously or distort her letter to Zoran Milanović beyond recognition.

First, on September 8th, unnamed:

Then, on September 9th, unnamed: How could unnamed even think she represents Christianity?

And finally, on September 10th, the "bravest" of them all—unnamed:

Today, now that the three demands presented by the family to Zoran Milanović five weeks ago have been adopted by the majority of EU nations—now that Germany is returning nearly every other migrant to their country of origin, when Canada has shuttered its borders, and when the pressing question is when Canada will follow suit—I find myself wondering: what exactly do unnamed, unnamed, and unnamed have left to say to me and the family? Perhaps... an apology?

Those people are nothing but bullies who lie, manipulate, and write filth without blinking. An apology isn't even in their vocabulary.

wiredtiger8 said:I still don't get one thing...

You people here who are constantly out there championing immigrants, refugees—call them whatever you want at this point... I can wrap my head around having a stance that sort of... partially... supports certain aspects of their struggles or whatever... it doesn't even matter right now.

But this relentless, non-stop defense of absolutely everything tied to them... like... they aren't worse workers than Americans or anyone else... their culture isn't actually different from ours... they aren't more or less uneducated... it’s not true that they can't integrate... it’s not true that they’re going to flip the entire demographic structure of the US in just a few years... blah, blah, blah...

...Well, that part just flies right over my head.

Is it actually possible that you believe all that? Are they really just identical in every single way to the native-born population here in America?
What, they just need a month or two... or maybe a year to settle in and find their footing? And that's it?
Everything stays exactly the same as it was before they arrived, except maybe some demographic stats look a little better?

There is a whole string of countries across Europe that deal with varying numbers of immigrants, but there isn't a single nation where immigrants have integrated without issues. Not one. Every single one faces problems, and as the number of immigrants grows, those problems scale right along with them. That is a plain fact.
So when someone suggests we should allow immigrants to settle in America, what am I even supposed to think or say about that?

Jessica King9 said:I'd say whoever manages to laugh it off.
But, let's say everyone builds a wall—the Canadians, us along our entire border, and the Romanians (the Bulgarians already have). Plus, you have 5,000 to 10,000 people crossing into Mexico daily from Mexico (Vučić mentioned today that they won't even put up an inch of wire). A massive crowd could build up in just a few days. Do you honestly think Americans would want to become a hotspot? That they’d just lock those people up and stop them from leaving?
They’d probably sell them (or just hand over) all their heavy machinery (or a group would just seize it themselves). What kind of fence could a crowd that large possibly tear down? Would they even stand a chance?

It’s easy to knock down a fence if there’s nobody standing behind it to defend it.
Police have plenty of experience enforcing the law when large groups start acting out, so that shouldn't be much of an issue. I'm talking about the "hooligan" factor. If you can control rowdy sports fans using specific laws, you can handle illegal immigrants too. We need to pass strict laws regarding illegal border crossings, similar to what Canada did. It's also worth noting that the European Union helped fund Canada's fence.
Not to mention, once immigrants realize a certain area is high-risk and dangerous, they simply won't go that way. They might try, but once they see it isn't working, they'll turn around and look elsewhere.
Initially, the police should enforce the law with a firm hand to demonstrate that our laws apply here and that people can't just cross the border whenever they feel like it; eventually, they'll start avoiding us (just like they avoid Canada or Bulgaria, where the police have already shown them what's what).
Why bother crossing the sea from Turkey to Greece and then through North Mexico and Mexico, when it's much closer to go by land from Turkey through Bulgaria and then into Mexico? The Bulgarian police made it clear a long time ago that it isn't a smart route.
http://www.bghelsinki.org/media/uplo...demolition.jpg
(Just Google the stories from immigrants about how they were beaten and robbed at every turn in Bulgaria—by everyone from local citizens to the police—before finally being sent back to Turkey. I don't know how much of what's written is absolute truth, but as you can see, people give Bulgaria a very wide berth.)
We aren't dealing with any kind of superheroes at our border; all of this can be stopped with standard policing methods without anyone needing to fire a shot. Granted, it's hard to monitor hundreds of miles of green border through forests and fields, which is why you put up wire. To tear down a section of wire, a large group of immigrants has to congregate, and by the time they've gathered enough people, the police will already have a squad ready to meet them on the other side of the fence. Very quickly, we'd reach a point where they bypass America entirely, and there wouldn't be any problems at the border.
Anyway, this is what the fence at the Bulgarian border looks like; the Canadians are like little kids compared to the Bulgarians.

The EU paid for the installation.