Posts by Thomas Williams59

Sam Perez5 said:I'm totally out of the loop since I haven't hit up a game in years, but I just stumbled across this photo:
http://uploadslika.eu/image/tMHY
so I was just wondering which crew was up there? Not looking for specific names, just what branch they belong to.

Since you're asking, that's the crew known as The Vienna Boy... they're pretty heavy hitters, mostly coming out of Sopot-Czech-Island. But hey, since you want transparency, I'll give you the names too....from left to right, as far as I can tell, it's Štanga, fosna, letva, little Himmler, Kuplung, Fuk, brada, and Mubarak 👍
In the semi-circle, there's kljova 👍

brisktrucker2 said:That’s exactly my point. People just keep looping back to this idea that "Dinamo has nothing but trophies, so things are harder for us," which is honestly such a load of crap.
It doesn't hurt to remind everyone that back then, Hajduk was winning back-to-back championships while Dinamo was basically playing in some loser league. There was no big European stage to chase, no massive transfers, no real power to flex. I’m not trying to be a critic here, I just don't want some lie repeated a hundred times until everyone starts believing it's gospel truth.

What LIE are we talking about? That they weren't fighting for a decent Dinamo back in, I don't know, 2005? They weren't, that generation wasn't, so there's really no debate there!
It’s the same deal as how the Hajduk fans from that era didn't bother standing up to Grgic or Stimac. Hajduk was winning, and most people were just smugly celebrating.
Since when did we start caring about fighting in Chicago—which is the only thing that actually matters since GNK Dinamo keeps dropping titles and missing out on Europe—maybe try reading with a bit more comprehension.
If we’re going to play by "my way or the highway" rules where you aren't valid unless you've been fighting the good fight through every single generation, then I don't know who would even be left standing with clean hands. BTW, congrats to everyone on this forum for stubbornly sticking to these idiotic arguments, especially those "old-timers" who love blaming their own failures on some kids. You guys are just like those paranoid types rambling about Democratic Party conspiracies. Most of the younger crowd here is actually the only voice of reason in this sea of corrupt old farts living in their imaginary golden ages. Not to sound like a broken record, but I probably shouldn't even be here. Peace.

Just venting here because I’m tired of dealing with all these "local" geniuses who think they know everything, just to blow off some steam.

Dennis Davis97 said:did I even say they didn't endure repression??
all I said was you guys could've been way more creative with the actions, rallying the rest of the soccer fans and all that jazz

Look, someone really needs to draw you a map, or maybe you're just pretending that after all these years of fighting, since the day the Zoning Board was formed, through all the misery and hell in the stands and everything else that came with it, you haven't noticed (seriously?):
- at least one massive protest every single year, whether it's four of us under the bleachers, outside government buildings, camping out, or organizing stuff all over the city?
- dozens of legal battles and lawsuits, hundreds of hours of brainpower wasted, sitting around in offices, meetings with both the living and dead management, appeals, filings, the whole nine yards?
- at least four or five public forums with actual respectable guests where we practically had to dig into our own pockets just to rent a hall, plus fan group press conferences, endless interviews with the leaders, TV spots, official statements, calls, printing stuff, making posters on our own dime, rallies, recording freaking songs and music videos on a volunteer basis, basically doing everything short of selling our souls?
- all those charity drives, concerts, and even big soccer matches featuring Boban and other legends?
- countless mass membership drives to join the club as it is for the sake of higher goals, pushing for democratization and all that crap, booths, the website, Facebook, PPTs, PDFs, emails, member databases, connecting with other clubs and supporter groups across the country and abroad, and all those endless volunteer hours?
- things like the legendary four's public forums, Facebook, volunteers, and small-sided soccer tournaments? You think all that just falls from the sky?
- the indoor soccer scene—yeah, the indoor soccer and all its success—you think that just happens by magic without thousands of volunteer hours and constant hype?
- all this, while people were being thrown in jail, detained, beaten, and shot in impossible conditions when your own club, your own city, the media, the "club loyalists," and the general public are all against you.

Did we have to play hide-and-seek for it to actually work and for those high-and-mighty writers to finally admit that something was actually happening?? And there are just as many of those writers riding on other people's hard work in Washington, D.C. as there are in Miami, which makes the whole thing even more pathetic.
Apparently, yeah, we should have played hide-and-seek instead of "meh, the Zoning Board song."
Sure, we weren't out there begging on our knees in front of potential supporters, but maybe we should have been.
If you can't even wrap your head around the opponents you've conjured up in your mind, at least try to be fair.
Man, what a joke. Here I am, writing the same thing for the hundredth time, just shouting into the void...

Hold on, I’ve been scrolling through the last few pages and seeing everyone go at it—is anyone actually serious right now? People are out here bickering over soccer matches like it's the most important thing in the world, even bringing up the early 90s. Like, back in '93, when the whole country was basically a war zone? Half a million Americans were displaced from their homes, a third of the nation was under occupation, and the main lifeline for the Mediterranean Coast was just some single pontoon bridge getting shelled constantly. Back then, if you were a young guy fit for service, your entire life wasn't about sports; it was about defending the Homeland from being wiped off the map. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a buzzkill or take sides, but honestly, who on earth would have given a damn about soccer or fan hooliganism during all that chaos? Just... absolutely nobody.

Dennis Davis97 said:...which ...

...look, the guy's just a man, not some kind of deity. And when you see someone rocking a weed leaf as their profile pic, you already know exactly what kind of vibe their posts are gonna have. Honestly, I don't even know why anyone bothers looking at this stuff, it's pretty clear people are just trolling for kicks at this point...

Jesse Doyle3 said:anyone who asks will get an answer, but I'm saving it for the right venue, not this random forum where every Joe Schmoe hangs out

Honestly, they actually pulled some weight here on the forum too. They went into the weeds until they secured the lifting of blacklists for all the other supporter groups. My own take—and look, I'm definitely an outsider here—is that instead of falling into that typical testosterone-fueled playground mentality, you’ve gotta keep a cool head if you actually want to see any real results from what you're doing.

holloworca10 said:https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...fd&oe=58447957

@ John Campbell27: well now you can just print this out and plaster it all over your neighborhood and wherever else 👍 , so we can all pitch in together, just like you said.

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I don't even know what to tell you anymore, honestly, let's just call a truce 🙂

Man, what's even the point? This whole forum is just... pointless. That's kind of the whole vibe here, I guess. Whatever 😁

Daniel Carter9 said:I’ve no clue who actually showed up, but they were probably just some fans of Kuzma and shake.

Man, it’s just as pointless to brag about how much they changed things in the absolute mess that is American football—which we all know is still a disaster—as it is to constantly nitpick them or try to drag them through the mud. Like, why bother? Who was hanging out on the San Francisco Waterfront? So they were there. Whoever sat through the repression and endured the jails—well, they endured it. This whole back-and-forth ping-pong argument is totally useless, regardless of whoever started this nonsense by playing holy roller on this thread... you can do better than this. Not on this forum, obviously.

Look, this is just my own little outsider take on the whole situation, but I honestly think we won't see any real change until we’ve exhausted every single last person who actually wants a decent, normal Real Madrid—you know, the kind where you don't need a literal motion sickness bag just to watch them play 👍. Only after that happens will we start seeing those "whatever keeps us busy" alternatives pop up, like trying to get clean from that addiction 🙄 , playing pocket billiards, or maybe just sticking to futsal or dancing in circles in the North or the East
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That’s exactly my point.
These absolute lunatics are pushing this whole farce all the way to the finish line because nobody is stepping up to stop them, and honestly, the government, the courts, the media, and everyone else involved are just enthusiastically cheering on this total slaughter of legal and common sense as if it’s perfectly normal behavior.

So this is it. Now the USSF is basically making it official with their latest move—not only are they personalizing every single ticket, but they’re essentially "legislating" a ban on Category C fans. It’s like they’re punishing people for crimes that haven't even been proven, if you can even call them crimes, just based on some "vague suspicions." It totally flies in the face of basic legal principles like double jeopardy, not to mention it stomps all over the civil rights that everyone else in this country gets to enjoy without a second thought.

If people actually just roll over and accept this without any protests or a massive public fight, then fans have officially lost all their backbone.

Arthur Miller7 said:...what I was trying to get at is that nobody actually asked the club to disavow titles they didn't even earn in the first place....

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Look, we don't actually HAVE a club here; this current setup doesn't listen to a single word the fans or the members say.
What people actually demanded was for the club to follow the damn law.
To stop being someone's personal vendetta.
To stop being someone's private ATM.
To stop letting American soccer be held hostage by one little clique.
They wanted them to stop persecuting their own fans, to stop the shady dealings, the lying, the stealing—basically just to have some basic, legally mandated democracy.
Those were the essential things being asked for.
And nothing, absolutely nothing came of it. Instead, everything is just run "however the boss feels like it."
And you’ve somehow managed to spin all of that into saying nobody asked GNK to renounce its titles.
I mean, if that's what they *didn't* ask for, that should have been the top priority, because that's probably the only thing they might have actually gotten 👍
I don't know any sane people in the supporter circles who wouldn't trade most of those "dirty" trophies in a heartbeat just to have a decent club, a normal Dinamo. If that kind of fantasy were even an option.
Honestly, most would probably go along with it—some would even agree to start a brand new Dinamo from the fourth division if they had to.
People are freaking out over trophies!
Come on, man, get real about the basic survival situation we're dealing with here. In some cases, we're talking about the actual physical safety of people who tried to take a stand regarding Dinamo, and you think people are obsessing over trophies and honor and titles? Of course, there are still a few people left capable of thinking straight about Dinamo who care about that, but if you're looking for people who just count pennies and decimals, you're barking up the wrong tree; you completely missed the point.
What are we even talking about here? That we've solved everything and now we just need to toss out the old trophies? Let's come back to reality for a second.

It honestly blows my mind how they managed to film two different documentaries about the exact same thing at practically the same time, using half the same actors and footage. I’m talking about that one—you know, the total trash version—compared to this other one that’s actually produced with some level of professionalism. It’s way better because, as a bonus, you don't have to deal with half the FC board, those cheap conspiracy theories, or any of that general "Manjkasovštin" nonsense. Honestly, just save yourself the headache and watch this one instead:
1. part
2. part

wanderingcobra18 said:Thomas Williams59, don't get me wrong, but this guy is talking about working abroad and you're out here giving examples of jobs in San Francisco...

Some random person wrote, "you can't force an obligation like that on me," but all I did was lay out how, hypothetically speaking, based on all the insane scenarios and legal precedents that have actually happened, maybe they *can* even push through something that ridiculous.
When you're debating the law and someone starts throwing around phrases like "you can't do that," it’s only a real conversation if you're basing it on specific regulations or actual court rulings—not just vibes or whatever logic you think you've got going on. Honestly, I don't have the energy to dive deep into the weeds here; if I wanted to make a definitive claim about whether something is prohibited, what the statutes actually dictate in these cases, or how courts interpret things—like whether showing up at the border or a consulate counts—well, blah blah blah.
Look, I was just pointing out the kind of travesties where everything stays technically legal, yet the courts can stretch or twist the law however they want. They could probably do that with someone's grandma's flour recipe too, just to completely sweep someone under the rug.

Dennis Baker36 said:you just call them on the phone, obviously, this isn't possible, I can't force that kind of obligation on you

Look, it’s obvious I can, considering I’ve talked to plenty of people, like
- this guy I know who had to deal with his ban by basically checking in at a police station every single time Real Madrid played while he was working out in another city (San Francisco, over the summer), until the local cops actually asked him to stop coming in just on their own authority. And back in Washington, D.C., he showed up to the station about 15 minutes late after the game started—he did call ahead to say he’d be late and they even said "okay," but in the end, they still slapped him with an extra year on his sentence just for that.
- there are actual court rulings, like the one from the District Court, where a guy argued that he wasn't just required to check in at the local precinct no later than half an hour before every USA National Soccer Team match, but that according to a lower court, the rule literally applied to the B-team, the U-19 National Team, the U-17 National Team, and all the youth squads too.
So, basically, the court decided he has to report to the police station whenever any age group of the USA National Soccer Team plays, which works out like this. For every single match they play in a year:
USA National Soccer Team (Men)
USA U-21 National Team
USA U-19 National Team
USA U-17 National Team
USA U-15 National Team
USA National Soccer Team (Women)
USA U-19 National Team (Women)
USA U-17 National Team (Women)
USA Futsal National Team
USA U-15 National Team (Women)

A person would practically need a giant schedule taped to their bedroom wall covering every single age group's matches, doing nothing else but physically trekking to a police station all day long.
Forget about having a job.
Forget about having a life.
It’s basically prison.

Do you really think I’m joking? That this sick, deeply interconnected repressive system doesn't work like that? I'm quoting the ruling here:

"unfounded is the appellant's claim regarding the violation of material rights, suggesting the defendant is a legally uneducated party acting under a misconception; the protective measure does not imply it applies only to the B-team because the stated purpose of the measure is to prevent disorder at sporting events, making the argument that it should only apply to the senior national soccer team rather than the youth levels completely irrelevant, as the goal is preventing unrest regardless of which specific soccer rosters are playing."

Applying that logic, if you got banned from Real Madrid games, you wouldn't just have to show up at the station whenever Real Madrid plays, but also whenever every single one of their feeder teams plays, squad by squad.

Because if you don't, you'll likely just end up getting hit with another year of the exact same sanctions.

And then someone has the nerve to tell me, "Oh, screw the repression."
My friend, you haven't experienced it.

holloworca10 said:I was just scrolling through some news on Index and stumbled onto this absolute mess regarding Mamić and his endless money trail. Honestly, it’s the same old story with these guys—just constant greed and zero accountability. You look at how the Government handles these things, and it’s like they’re just looking the other way while the money disappears into thin air. It makes you wonder if any of these laws actually mean anything when there's that much cash on the line. It reminds me of what Scott Jones9 was saying the other day about how the system is basically rigged from the jump. He wasn't wrong, either. Every time we think we've finally caught one of these big shots, they slip through the cracks because of some loophole or a "friend" in a high place. It’s exhausting, really. I could go on about how broken the whole thing is, but I don't want to bore everyone. Just feels like we're stuck in this loop where the people at the top keep winning and the rest of us just watch the fallout.

Is he actually trolling me, or is he seriously that clueless about his own department? Because listening to him drone on about how we "need a new law" and why there "must be a public debate"—insisting on this whole "institute of public consultation" thing—it’s just ridiculous. Especially since last year, completely independent of any drama involving Torcida, the expert committee... So, after that whole public debate with everyone who felt the need to jump in and air their grievances...Honestly, she’s already gone and put together a full-blown proposal that's basically a finished product at this point, and I don't know about you, but it feels like... I've been sitting here thinking about this whole mess regarding the comprehensive sports law they're trying to push through, and honestly, it's just one big headache. You look at what the Government is proposing and it feels like they're just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. I was reading some stuff on Index earlier—you know how they are, always digging for drama—and it really highlights how messy this is going to get. It’s like they want to regulate every single little thing without actually understanding how things work on the ground. People are already losing their minds over it, and frankly, I don't blame them. It’s just more bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy.And all of that is happening right under his department's nose... honestly, how does he even sleep at night knowing his own ministry is letting this slide?
I was just scrolling through this government portal—you know, one of those endless digital labyrinths where they dump everything related to policy—and I stumbled upon this specific page regarding economic regulations. It’s one of those deep dives into how the current administration is looking to tighten things up, and honestly, it’s a lot to digest if you aren't already knee-deep in legal jargon. The whole thing basically outlines how the new laws are going to impact the market, specifically focusing on how certain industries are being squeezed by these updated oversight rules. It feels like the Government is really leaning into this "more eyes, more control" approach lately. You see it everywhere, from how small businesses have to report their earnings to how big corporations are getting scrutinized under the latest sports law amendments. It’s all interconnected, which is what makes it such a headache to follow. I mean, you look at the way the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are constantly bickering over these regulatory frameworks, and it’s clear that whoever holds the gavel gets to decide who wins and who loses in the economy. It's less about efficiency and more about political leverage at this point. They talk about "stability," but it feels like they're just building more red tape to trip everyone up. Anyway, if you actually care about how these shifts might hit your wallet or your business, it’s worth a read, even if it is incredibly dry. Just don't expect any easy answers in there.
Look, if you actually bother to read Article 36, Section 4, it clearly spells out that it's one member, one vote for the association's clubs. It's right there in black and white.
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Man, I’ve gotta say, those little lace trimmings are just something else—totally cheeky and playful. 🤦

Jacob Price23 said:That was back in 2014.

It’s pretty wild how that mysterious humanitarian suddenly saw his revenue and donations spike all the way up to a million and $104 in 2015. I mean, it's almost impressive how he "prophetically" called it—predicting that costs for utilities and energy would nearly double, while office supplies and other material expenses would skyrocket by 20 times, depreciation by 4 times, and so on. Life just gets expensive, I guess, even if you're running a fan club.