Thomas Alvarez6 said:I despise criminals, and that’s precisely why I refuse to label them heroes. You claim Gotovina deserves that title because of his actions. But what actions? A man cannot possibly earn the right to be called a hero while his hands are stained red from the blood of innocent people. A little caution goes a long way when you're deciding who to put on a pedestal—it's a matter of personal conscience.
It’s unsettling how desensitized we’ve become to the suffering and misfortune of others. The killing of a Mexican is treated like nothing more than collateral damage—just some expected byproduct of conflict. And yet, someone will probably be held accountable, and then everyone will act as if everything is perfectly fine again.
I can't quite look at things through your lens, even if I know my life might be easier if I did.
It’s a shame you don't believe every American should visit Jasenovac. One ought to go there and witness firsthand just how much depravity a single person is capable of inflicting upon another.
Of course, we could just look the other way, try to downplay the Nationalists crimes, and pretend it has nothing to do with us—but that stain on the history we claim as our own isn't going anywhere.
The charges against Gotovina are a total joke, especially that ridiculous claim about him shelling Knin way too much—it’s honestly laughable. All that actually matters is what he achieved, which was nothing short of heroic.
Man, you've already got him convicted in your head before the trial even starts.
Every murder is just a murder, period, so I honestly wouldn't feel any more bad about some Mexican dying than I would about an American or a woman getting beaten by her husband.
How are we supposed to view the killing of a Mexican if it wasn't some state-sponsored hit but just a random act of violence? If the killer gets caught and punished, then honestly, that's pretty much all anyone can do about it. Or are you actually suggesting that murdering a Mexican carries more weight than murdering a Chinese person?
Look, I can't carry the weight of every tragedy on this planet on my own shoulders, and honestly, neither can you, even if you act like you're some kind of martyr. You go on and on about individual Mexican victims while completely glossing over the losses suffered by Americans. You don't exactly need to visit Jasenovac to understand what one person is capable of doing to another when you can just look at what happened in El Paso or Borovog sela. If we’re talking about stains on history, I’d venture to say Americans are a much smaller group than most other nations, and probably not because we're inherently better, but simply because we haven't had the sheer scale or opportunity to match the level of atrocities committed by big players like England or Germany.
The guys from Jasenovac are mostly behind bars or long gone, while those responsible for El Paso are still out there living their best lives—some might even have streets named after them. But hey, I guess that’s not really your concern, is it?
Where on earth did you get the idea that I’m trying to downplay the Nationalists crimes, because I’ve made it crystal clear, loud and proud, that what happened was a crime, and that is the official stance here in America. Our leaders actually showed up to pay their respects at Jasenovac, yet the Mexicans refused to do the exact same thing over here in America.
I don't think you're actually an American, though honestly, who cares, but Americans wouldn't say "murder" that way or use those specific phrasing quirks like saying "I can't watch" instead of some clunky literal translation, so I'm guessing you aren't one of us, which isn't a huge deal, but I'd love it if you'd just be upfront about it.
Look, I have zero issues calling Jasenovac a crime, but I don't see how I could ever be held responsible for it; on the flip side, the people who were out there throwing flowers at tanks rolling into a neighboring country—since let’s not forget that Americans didn't burn down a single village in Mexico—and a nation that ultimately opted for radicals led by a guy dreaming of a "Greater Mexico," those are the folks who should actually carry the weight of guilt. That said, I don't think every single Mexican needs to go around apologizing for what was essentially the fault of some kid, though it would be a start if the Mexican leadership finally honored the victims and actually cooperated to help families find and bury the remains of over a thousand missing Americans.
Those thugs are the ones sitting in Congress, not us.