Posts by James Newman4

“CELLULAR NUTRITION FROM THE INSIDE OUT”
Dr. David Katz, a specialist in physiology and cardiology, and an expert on how nutrition links directly to our overall health and disease prevention... is presenting some new breakthroughs regarding our understanding of diet.

"Basically, cellular nutrition just means a dietary approach designed so that our body's cells—which are the smallest living units we have—get fed in the most complete way possible. This lets those cells grow, repair themselves, and just do their jobs with the highest efficiency. The end result is that we feel better, look better, and are actually able to prevent or fight off diseases more effectively while managing weight if we need to. But honestly, making sure you get proper cellular nutrition is way harder than just avoiding the usual excesses found in modern American food (or Western diets in general). It’s much more involved than just tossing a few vitamins or some juice into your routine."

Cellular nutrition starts by following a full nutritional plan that includes all the essential micronutrients, which means eating balanced, consistent meals and dodging those massive overindulgences we know are bad for us. At the same time, it involves learning from the plant kingdom, including medicinal plants used for food. One of the biggest differences here is that while a solid nutritional program is a great starting point, it’s really just the beginning. Eating healthy doesn't mean much if your body isn't actually capable of fully digesting the food and, more importantly, absorbing all those nutrients we're taking in. Most of what we eat gets absorbed through intestinal villi, which are these tiny little protrusions specialized for nutrient absorption. A lot of us expect our bodies to just absorb everything perfectly. But unfortunately, for plenty of people, that absorption might be slowed down or blocked because of old bad eating habits, constant dieting, digestive issues, stress, or other stuff that comes with the modern lifestyle. So, it basically means some of us might be eating "good" food but aren't actually getting the good stuff out of it."

One of the most critical parts of the National School Lunch Program style of cellular nutrition is ensuring our bodies achieve total absorption of every nutrient we consume.

That way, we can hopefully balance out a lot of the negative effects caused by poor eating habits, stressful lives, and all the other junk hitting our systems. We can also eliminate some diseases caused by bad diets and start the whole process of regenerating and revitalizing our cells through proper nourishment.

Cellular nutrition is basically a step forward. A big part of this program involves specific plant groups and micronutrients that help provide energy to our cells, allowing them to function better and making it easier to extract energy and vitality from the rest of our food. This whole process, which they call "local activation," is the result of an exclusive, balanced micronutrient formula that—besides helping us see these results—is actually pretty easy and convenient to use. Our cells end up being better and more consistently fed, and you can actually feel the difference.

So, how do we notice it?

We just feel better, period. We have more energy, more vitality, and better mental clarity. Plus, we can be confident that our bodies, by receiving better fuel, find it easier to ward off and fight illness. For anyone who's used to the standard American diet, the results are honestly pretty surprising once you start applying the principles of cellular nutrition.

It’s hard to wrap your head around all the nutritional and biochemical sides of cellular nutrition in just a few paragraphs. Honestly, it's easier to just try it and feel the difference for yourself. That's my advice: if you're looking to level up your diet so you can actually see results in terms of energy, vitality, and weight control, you'll find exactly what you're looking for in the Cellular Nutrition Program."

David Katz, M.D., CMO for Tenet’s South Florida Region. He is board certified in internal medicine and cardiology. He practiced cardiology privately in South Florida for many years. Since 1993, Dr. Katz has served as medical director of Delray Medical Center in Delray Beach, Fla., and at West Boca Medical Center in Boca Raton, Fla. Dr. Katz has expertise in quality improvement strategies for hospitalized patients, conflict mediation, physician education about evidence-based practice and patient safety, and medical staff leadership under the standards of the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations.

http://www.nrg-fit.com/david_bkatzin.asp

So, basically, our bodies are just this huge collection of organs, muscles, tissues, bones, and all that stuff. Everything moves through veins, arteries, and lymph nodes to get nutrients to the cells making up every single inch of us. Food is where we get what those cells actually need to function. Through these two super complex, honestly pretty incredible processes—digestion and absorption—the food we eat gets broken down into molecules so it can be absorbed, stored, and used in all sorts of biosynthetic reactions, while the bits we can't use just get tossed out. But, I guess the problem is that even if you're eating regularly, there's no guarantee your cells are actually getting what they need. In fact, most of the time we’re probably just overloading our systems with useless, junk ingredients. It happens because we're missing certain foods, maybe we aren't paying enough attention to what's on our plates, or maybe we're eating too much or too little, or even just eating the wrong stuff that messes up how we absorb anything in the first place.

Absorption mostly happens through these tiny things called intestinal villi—they're like little fibers lining the inside of your gut to boost the surface area for soaking everything up. But, things like colitis, other gut issues, or just straight-up crappy diets can really tank your ability to absorb stuff. When that happens, your cells end up getting way less than they should, leading to this massive imbalance from lacking quality nutrients, which usually doesn't show up until you actually get sick or hit a wall. Honestly, I think about 70% of the time when people head to the doctor, it's because of some issue triggered by a bad diet!

If you give your body healthy, complete, and actually correct fuel, you could probably dodge a lot of these problems, since the body will take in everything it needs (if we actually let it) to help itself run better. I mean, the body is basically a perfect machine, if you think about it that way.

nimbledriver81 said:Oh, please. Like, what else are we actually feeding ourselves, if you don't mind me asking? Our neighbor's parrots?

I mean, you can ask whatever you want, I guess... nothing wrong with a little curiosity... 😉
The whole issue with nutrition is that everyone is basically just filling up their stomachs, but they aren't actually nourishing the cells in their bodies, which is kind of the whole point, isn't it? 😢

Even in a ton of cases, those nutrients we swallow never even make it to the actual cells throughout the body... and honestly, we could go on forever about why that happens.. 😉

So, come on, why don't you give me just one reason why that is? I'm pretty sure you've got an answer in there somewhere.. 🙂

Rachel Brooks63 said:Oh, so in this "National School Lunch Program" of yours (though I’m still waiting on an answer for what other kind of nutrition exists besides school lunch: non-school? non-organic? intracellular?), you guys give them lactase? Well, that actually makes sense... hey, why don't you just throw in a whole bunch of other enzymes whose absence causes all sorts of issues, while you're at it. I know some biochemists who can list off every digestive enzyme that, if missing, leads to mental health struggles or developmental delays, so maybe just toss those into the National School Lunch Program too. Look at this, then just add those enzymes, save people, and save the government some money...

I mean, if "cellular nutrition" is really that powerful...

if your reactions weren't so hilarious, they might actually be stupid.. 😁

clapping—for the 101st time.. 😎

Food is just one part of nutrition. There's a massive difference between eating food and achieving cellular nutrition. Food is just what we put in our mouths, whereas cellular nutrition is what actually reaches the cells in your body.

What trips a lot of people up is the fact that you can't ever be totally sure the stuff you're eating actually makes it to your cells to nourish them. If your body is dealing with stress, illness, burnout, chemicals, meds, or if you're using alcohol, caffeine, or nicotine, your cells are probably staying hungry. It’s wild how you can overeat and gain weight while your cells are basically starving. It's crazy that even today, despite having more than enough food, we have more diseases than ever before in history. Why? Because there's a huge gap between feeding your mouth and feeding your cells.

Until your cells are healthy, you aren't going to be healthy either! The secret to actual health and good nutrition lies in making sure your body's cells (muscle cells, brain cells, heart cells...) are properly and fully nourished.

It isn't just about what you eat, but whether your body can digest it, absorb it, and most importantly, assimilate it at the cellular level! The trick to this miracle is that this food is designed, formulated, and prepared specifically to FEED YOUR CELLS! And once your cells get the right fuel—you'll feel some pretty amazing changes in your health.

With cellular nutrition, we've taken food science and added micronutrient science to the mix.

The body needs plenty of food every day. Proteins, carbs, fats—those are measured in decagrams and grams. But for life itself, the body VITALY AND NECESSARILY needs nutrients measured in thousands or millions of grams—every single day. Vitamins (even the name “vita” tells you they're essential for life), and trace minerals like iron, zinc, chromium, and selenium. We have to KEEP UP the process of cellular nutrition—the process of healing the body and providing complete, total nourishment by ensuring our bodies get micro-nutrients every day!

It’s not just about tossing in a random vitamin or mineral here and there whenever we feel like it (like, oh, a little Vitamin C here, a bit of calcium, iron, or beta-carotene there). That's just throwing money away without seeing any real results. This is precise science. Vitamins and minerals have to be in their natural forms, they have to be natural equivalents, and they have to be balanced, bioavailable, and able to be assimilated at the cellular level!

get it? .. 😉

talia said:Everything you just said is actually true, I mean, what you wrote 👍

thanks, thanks .. 👋

"and a broken watch shows the exact time twice a day" 😁

John Ruiz4 said:Yeah, I eat yogurt too and it doesn't bother me at all. It's just that only Vindijin brands don't have added milk sugar in them, whereas some other yogurts definitely do.🙂

I mean, maybe it isn't even the lactose bothering you, but like, who knows? Could be something else entirely, I guess. 😕 😉

I actually know people who couldn't even look at milk without feeling sick, but now they drink it like it's water... though honestly, that’s probably a bit harder to explain than just experiencing it for yourself. 🙂

velvetwolf9 said:allergies or intolerances are basically just caused by what your body is lacking, so it’s not really something you can blame on diet, it’s more about evolutionary development or, I don't know, maybe (!) genetics and the environment we're stuck in, right? 🙄

I mean, look, your take probably comes from the info you've got, and I'm not really trying to pick a fight with you or anything, I guess I'll just try to explain where I'm coming from and add a few things to the mix:

If you ask me, here's how chronic diseases actually stack up:
1) what you eat and how you eat it
2) how you handle stress
3) being too lazy and not moving enough
4) your genetic makeup

So, yeah, if you want to trigger some sort of "genetic predisposition," you pretty much have to ignore those first three factors, which—let's be honest—is exactly what most people do... 😢

Diet is always the big one, but the other stuff matters too, I suppose... food has never been this processed or garbage as it is today, and I honestly think that because our diet is so bad, we aren't getting enough of those essential micronutrients EVERY SINGLE DAY that the body actually needs to function normally and stay healthy...
So, the real issue is the stuff we're NOT getting from our food... 🙂
(and I guess the most obvious "genetic" link is just everyone sitting at the same table together, eating the exact same food their parents ate, you know? 😁

The Big Pharma crowd uses drugs to just mask the symptoms of a disease—which is kind of their whole point, anyway—instead of fixing the actual cause, which is why they never truly solve the health crisis, and honestly, solving it isn't even their goal because then they'd lose their steady stream of customers...
People, seriously, you guys need to WAKE UP and realize what's going on... 🙄

Rachel Brooks63 said:Oh man, good grief...

Alright, here we go again with the insults. Seriously, I’m asking the mods to step in and do something about this, because if they don't, I guess I’m gonna have to start hitting back way harder than I usually do... 😠

Rachel Brooks63 said:Look, I don't know if people actually get this, but this person isn't exactly "allergic" to milk in the way most folks think about it—it's more like an actual immune system disorder, I guess. It’s a bit different than just having a standard allergy, maybe.

Morning, I guess. 😁
Look, I didn't actually say that John Ruiz4 was allergic to milk or anything like that, I guess... what I was really getting at was just how much things look alike when you consider how certain micronutrients—you know, like vitamins, minerals, enzymes, whatever—are missing from the system. It’s more about those deficiencies, maybe.
I mean, obviously an allergy is basically just your immune system acting out of line, but I guess it’s also more like a symptom—you know? It’s a direct result of those specific internal gaps that are totally unique to every single person. Like, everyone has their own weird little cocktail of deficiencies, and that’s how you end up with one specific type of allergy instead of another. There are probably a million different kinds of allergies out there, or maybe even more, since you have to account for all the different ways those individual deficiencies can mix together... it's kind of a mess, honestly. 😉

Rachel Brooks63 said:So, like, when you look at lactose intolerance, it’s basically just because someone's body is totally missing that one specific enzyme, right? It's not even an allergy or anything, it's just that their ribosomes aren't pumping out the enzyme they need for whatever reason, though I guess scientists are still trying to figure out exactly why that happens. Honestly, you can learn some pretty wild stuff about how biochemistry actually works if you dig deep enough into it... it's kind of crazy, really.

So, I guess those reasons you’re bringing up—the ones people are still trying to wrap their heads around—are actually already being tackled in certain nutrition circles through this whole "cellular nutrition" thing, but honestly, that doesn't exactly sit well with Big Pharma. It’s like, they just constantly deny the facts or just bury their heads in the sand because, well, since pharmaceutical giants basically bankroll our entire healthcare system and medical industry, it isn't exactly hard to figure out why they won't let anyone talk about this stuff in mainstream medical circles... maybe. 😉

I mean, the whole logical way you look at it is that if people are missing certain enzymes in their system, they can just get them back—like, in those perfect ratios alongside all the right vitamins and minerals—by sticking to a cellular diet. Then the body basically just heals itself and fixes its own issues, which I guess is true since I’ve seen plenty of examples of that happening, whether you choose to believe me or not. And honestly, there are a ton of people way smarter than both of us looking into all this stuff, so I suppose there's really no point in wasting my breath talking about it... 🙂
If you’re sitting there doubting everything I say about those people, I mean, honestly, just go ahead and check out their supposed "expertise" for yourself. It's fine. But personally, I don't have any issues at all with this one guy—I've actually met him myself, so I know he's the real deal—and he's one of the few I trust without any hesitation:

So, I was just falling down this massive rabbit hole reading through this research paper from UCLA about how certain things might actually help with some medical issues, and honestly, my brain is kind of fried now. It’s one of those super dense academic deep dives where they go on and on about metabolic stuff and how different nutrients interact with our systems, which sounds incredibly boring until you realize how much it actually matters for regular people. I guess what they're getting at is that there's this whole complex dance happening inside us, involving everything from insulin sensitivity to how we process fats, and it's not nearly as simple as just "eat less, move more" like everyone tells you. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because most of us just go through life without a clue about the cellular level chaos happening under our skin, right? They're talking about these specific pathways—way too many acronyms for me to keep track of without a coffee in hand—but basically, it's all about how we can potentially tweak our biology through diet or other interventions. I mean, maybe it's revolutionary, or maybe it's just more complicated science that won't see the light of day for another decade, who knows? But it definitely makes you wonder if the standard American diet is basically just a slow-motion train wreck for our metabolism. Anyway, I could probably ramble about this for hours, but I'll stop before I lose you guys entirely. Just some food for thought, I guess.

So, I’m just sitting here reading through everything and waiting for someone to actually drop a real, solid suggestion for John Ruiz4, but despite all these self-proclaimed "experts" hanging out on this forum, there isn't a single useful word to be found... 😉

I mean, look, any kind of food allergy or pollen sensitivity—or really any weird reaction your body has—it all starts from the inside, right? It’s usually some kind of deficiency caused directly by what you're eating, but unfortunately, people just don't know enough about that stuff yet... 😢

What’s actually worked—and I've seen this firsthand with plenty of folks dealing with all sorts of allergies—is focusing on "cellular nutrition." Honestly, I truly believe that's the key to fixing things for John Ruiz4 too.. 🙂

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Jose Miller3 said:Look, any expert on cellular nutrition—no matter what specific niche they're into—would know that it’s basically impossible to have never heard of enteral nutrition before. I mean, seriously? Now I’m just sitting here feeling pretty let down, especially since I actually trusted your expertise and all that experience you claim to have. 😢

Hey, you got it.Here? Something about that, I guess... but if you actually care to know more, just go ahead and buzz around the internet looking for me. That's pretty much all you'll ever find anyway...

Thanks for the link!

Look, I didn't go to medical school or anything, so I'm definitely not an expert on all those fancy medical terms, but this whole "enteral nutrition" concept seems to have a ton of overlap with what people call "cellular nutrition." I’m just hoping that even the biggest haters and skeptics in this group will eventually start to get what I've been rambling about all this time. Anyway, I went ahead and pulled together some basic guidelines to lay it all out:

I mean, at the end of the day, you've gotta get enough food and water in your system to actually meet your energy needs and grab all those essential nutrients required for a normal metabolism, I guess. The whole driving idea—and really the main goal behind developing this stuff—is just to make life better for all the patients out there who desperately need high-quality supplemental nutrition. It’s pretty obvious that nutritional status ends up being a huge factor when it comes to how someone actually recovers or handles a disease. If a patient is malnourished, they're way more vulnerable to infections, and their recovery after therapy takes forever, which basically just means they end up stuck in the hospital for much longer. Even with everything we know now, I guess the whole issue of malnutrition is still just flying under the radar, both in everyday life and even within hospitals, which is pretty wild when you think about how much it actually affects people.I mean, let's be real, doctors rarely actually bother checking your nutritional status during a routine visit... it’s just not really part of the standard clinical routine most of the time. But honestly, having even a little bit of food moving through your intestinal lumen might actually be a big deal because it could stop the intestinal wall from thinning out or those tiny gut villi from atrophying. If that happens, it might help prevent bacteria from leaking out of the gut and into your systemic bloodstream. See, when bacteria cross that intestinal barrier—what they call bacterial translocation—it can trigger all sorts of nasty inflammatory complications, and I guess, in some cases, it can even lead to death.

What I'm really trying to get across here is that you shouldn't have to wait until things are hitting the absolute breaking point—you know, like waiting until it's "five minutes to midnight"—where enteral nutrition becomes your only real option left on the table. I guess what I mean is that you can actually step in and prevent all that chaos from happening in the first place if you just focus on... I guess it all comes down to having a steady, balanced diet, if you know what I mean. And honestly, it’s all about making sure you can actually feel a whole lot better and stay healthy too, I guess. 🙂

Casey Palmer5 said:Look, I’m asking you please... just don't come at me trying to sell or advertise your products, because honestly, it's incredibly tacky to try and make a buck off of someone else's misery.

If we were living back in the days before penicillin existed and someone actually stepped up to offer it just to save a life, they’d probably hear the exact same thing—that people would rather just die than let some poor soul make a buck off them... I mean, seriously, please, just think about what you're actually saying here.. 😢

I guess I should apologize if I actually went thinking the whole point of this forum was to help people sort out their health issues... maybe I just misread the room. 😉

I mean, let's be real here—this forum should actually be called HEALTH, not just some commentary on the healthcare system run by the federal government... 😁

Casey Palmer5 said:Yeah, sure... it’s all just a massive conspiracy cooked up by people who actually had the guts to study science and health... God, we should be ashamed, right? Let's all just burn our degrees and go join some MLM scheme instead!

I mean, since we're apparently such terrible people, maybe life would just be easier if we didn't exist, huh? We're just being super annoying with our little textbooks, PubMed, and all that other nonsense you guys hate so much....

I feel like I missed something here, because is there actually anyone in this thread who's a licensed nutritionist???

If not, then maybe don't talk about nutrition like you actually studied it, and quit waving those imaginary degrees around like they mean something... 😉

Sarah Gomez52 said:What you're doing isn't even a constructive debate or a discussion, it's just straight-up copying stuff from the internet. And sorry, but if people come to a forum, they know how to search the web themselves; you don't need to feed them junk based on your shaky English and zero foundational knowledge.
Go back to school, learn the basics of chemistry and biology, and then maybe you can brag about your title and your supposed "healing" abilities using HL!!!🙄

The thing is, most people just don't have the time to dig through every corner of the web for everything, and honestly, some of the stuff I managed to get my hands on isn't even online... I think your own example proves that point, mostly because I doubt you're as stupid as you are rude, and I'm sure if you actually put in a little effort, you'd figure all this out for yourselves—maybe even better than I have.. 😎

People just stumble in here looking for a bit of advice or an opinion, and they aren't necessarily lurking for months on end just to keep track of everyone's personal drama and history, which, from what I can see, is basically the whole vibe of this place.

Whenever I find material that isn't available online, I try to relay it in its entirety (copying it) just to make sure the specific info gets across, and (unlike you guys) I actually try to explain it in my own words—sometimes more successfully than others, I guess.

Look, Sarah Gomez52, I'm trying over here to find one single specific, professional explanation from you, but I'm really struggling to find one.
So, what college did you actually graduate from again? .. 😁

It doesn't really matter, I guess, but I'm noticing that this whole "clash of opinions" thing is becoming such a weirdly specific category on this forum. It’s like these little cliques have already formed, and the second someone jumps in with a different take or a contrary view, a whole coalition just immediately rallies up against them... 😉

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see who actually ends up being right in the end... 😁

Casey Palmer5 said:Look, this still isn't even an insult or anything like that, it’s just a total clash of perspectives, I guess... so, uh, James Newman4, I really can't and won't get involved in this one.

Wait, what even is this?
So, what is this whole "deliberately misleading people with fake and random info" thing about? Seriously... ??????????

I’m just saying, you guys really ought to go out and double-check everything for yourselves if you want the actual facts, I guess. 😉

nimbleskipper13 said:Exactly, this forum isn't some platform for lecturing people from on high, constant "expert" preaching, DELIBERATE DECEPTION via random or wrong info, or SHILLING specific products and their brands.

I'm pretty sure the mods know all too well who's actually driving this kind of toxic tone...

This whole thread is just one big example of how some people have massive egos, acting like they're some kind of gods who get to dictate advice to everyone else. Like, when I brought up the BMI thing—and I think my arguments and explanations were pretty clear—they just felt threatened and decided to pivot to insults and total lies instead of actually talking.
I already explained my connection to MacGregor to the admin via private message, and honestly, if that doesn't satisfy anyone, there's really nothing else I can do about it.

"DELIBERATE DECEPTION via random or wrong info"

nimbleskipper13, you might want to watch those accusations of yours because that’s starting to sound a lot like libel, and believe me, there are ways to deal with that.

Magriz and the Woman from Rijeka (among others, I guess) are basically showing everyone exactly how not to act on this forum. They’re just mocking things that don't even fit their supposed "expertise," so I’m asking the admins to step in and give them a warning before this whole discussion spirals completely off the rails.. 😎

I honestly don't get why some people feel the need to constantly derail any actual productive conversation here, especially when they're just spewing nonsense and being pretty insulting about it in their own weird way.

Look, if you don't actually have any facts or a real opinion on what we're talking about, maybe just keep your bitterness and stupidity to yourself.

Woman from Rijeka, my bad if I made you feel like I was questioning your authority as a medical professional with my last post.. 😉

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nimbleskipper13 said:I mean, if you really think about it, the only thing that actually matters here is the Body Mass Index. It’s just a calculation based on your sex, age, height, and weight, I guess. Everything else is kind of just noise, right?

I don't know, I just can't get behind that whole argument, honestly. It feels a bit off to me, I guess.
Why?
There’s no way it can be considered the ONLY factor, mostly because you've got the Body Mass Index to deal with, I guess. Just... enough. Seriously. So, I was looking into that whole Body Mass Index thing—you know, that height-to-weight ratio everyone obsesses over—and it turns out there isn't just one single way to calculate it for everyone. It’s actually split up into two different tables depending on whether you're looking at men or women. I guess they do that because our bodies carry weight differently, though I don't know if I totally buy how much that matters in practice, maybe. But yeah, if you're trying to figure out where you land, you have to pick the right chart first, otherwise the numbers might be kind of off.

So, look, if we’re all operating under the assumption that muscle weighs more than fat—which, obviously, it does—then using BMI to categorize people just feels totally broken to me. I mean, it basically lumps together someone who's ripped and full of muscle with someone who actually has a high body fat percentage, and honestly, there’s zero logic behind that. It’s kind of mindless, if you ask me. That’s why I think the actual body fat percentage is such a massive factor that people tend to overlook. You can easily get a much better idea of what's actually going on by using something like a BF 306 body fat scale to measure your tissue levels, and I guess that would be a way better indicator of your health, alongside BMI, anyway.

I was just scrolling through some medical supply sites and stumbled upon this Omron blood pressure monitor page, and honestly, it got me thinking about how much we rely on these little gadgets at home. You know, I guess if you’re looking for a solid way to keep tabs on your numbers without having to run to the doctor every single time, these things are pretty much the gold standard. It's kind of wild how much tech they've packed into something that basically just squeezes your arm, right? I mean, maybe it's overkill for some people, but if you're dealing with stuff like high blood pressure, having that peace of mind sitting on your nightstand is probably worth its weight in gold. I don't know, I'm no expert, but it seems like a decent option if you want something reliable from a brand that actually knows what they're doing. Just a random thought while I was falling down a rabbit hole of medical equipment, I guess.

So, I was thinking about this thing that’s becoming a massive issue lately—sarcopenic obesity, if you want to get all technical about it—where you basically lose muscle mass and it just gets replaced by fat deposits. It sounds kind of niche, but in reality, it turns out a huge number of people who look totally fine on the outside, like they don't even have any extra weight to show for it, actually have a really high body fat percentage. I guess it's one of those things where you can't really trust appearances, because someone might look fit, but their body composition is actually pretty rough under the surface.
I mean, I guess that’s why people tend to give age a free pass, because obviously things don't just change overnight, but honestly? I know a ton of people who are getting up there in years but still don't carry much body fat. Their Body Mass Index is pretty much spot on, too, which makes me think that blaming age might just be a convenient excuse for not knowing what they're doing or having a totally messed up approach to how they eat.

nimbleskipper13 said:So, after that, you basically have different levels of obesity to deal with. I guess there's a whole scale of it, maybe? It's like a gradual progression or something.
So, I guess if you look at the numbers, a Body Mass Index of 25 is actually considered normal, right? Then once you hit that 25 to 30 range, you're technically in the overweight stage, and it’s only when you go north of 30 that people start calling it obesity. It's kind of funny how we categorize everything like that, I suppose.

Alright, here’s a slightly more detailed look at those tables:

WOMEN

< 13 - prevalence
So, I was looking into this whole thing about kids being way too thin between the ages of 13 and 17, and honestly, it’s kind of a mess. Like, you see it all over the place lately, and I guess it’s just one of those things that people don't talk about enough, even though it's actually a pretty big deal if you look at the data from the U.S. Census Bureau or whatever. It’s not just about looking like a certain model or anything, but when we're talking about teenagers being underweight, there's a real chance something's actually wrong under the surface. Maybe it's diet, maybe it's stress, or maybe it's just how fast everyone is growing these days, but it feels like a heavy topic to dive into. I mean, you hear all these conflicting things on social media, but when you actually sit down and think about the health implications—like, what does that do to your development?—it gets pretty complicated, really. It’s just one of those situations where there isn't a simple answer, and I suppose everyone has their own opinion on it, but it definitely makes you wonder what's going on with the younger generation's health trends here in the States.
18-19—it's totally normal, I mean, if you've got a smaller build and all.
20 - pretty much standard, you know, just a normal build.
So, like, if you're sitting at a 21 or 22 on the Body Mass Index scale... I mean, honestly, that's pretty much just standard, you know? Especially if you've got one of those bigger, broader builds. It’s totally normal, I guess.
So, looking at that 23 to 26 range... honestly, it’s kind of a gray area when you're talking about being overweight, I guess. Like, if you're staring at those Body Mass Index numbers, you might be sitting right on that line where things start getting a little dicey, maybe? It’s one of those things where people get all worked up, but it really depends on how you look at it, I suppose. It's just one of those annoying little statistical brackets that makes you wonder if you're actually healthy or just hovering somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
So, I was looking at those numbers, like 27 to 36... and honestly, that's just straight-up thickness, I guess. It’s kind of heavy, you know? Just sitting there being thick. Maybe it's nothing, but it feels like a lot when you really think about it.
So, I was looking at some numbers earlier, and man, seeing that 36 on the scale... talk about heavy. We’re talking medical obesity levels here, which is just one of those things that feels like it's becoming the default setting for everyone lately. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it feels like we're all just drifting into this territory without even realizing how much it's going to mess with us down the road. It's kind of wild when you think about it, honestly.

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I mean, I guess we should probably talk about this... like, the whole thing with being under 16 and how it relates to... well, let's just call it what it is, the level of involvement or whatever. It’s kind of a mess, honestly. I don't know, maybe I'm just overthinking it, but there's a lot to unpack here if you really sit down and look at the details. It feels like everything is just moving so fast lately, and nobody is really slowing down to ask if it's actually a good idea, you know? I might be wrong, but it seems like we're just rushing into things without any real sense of direction. Anyway, just some random thoughts crossing my mind while I'm sitting here.
So, I was thinking about that whole BMI thing again, specifically when people fall into that 16 to 20 range—you know, where you're basically just skin and bones. It’s kind of wild how much people obsess over those numbers, though I guess if you look at what the CDC says, there's definitely a point where being underweight starts becoming a real issue for your health. I mean, maybe it's fine for some folks, but honestly, looking at that range, it feels like you're teetering on the edge of being way too thin. It's not just about looking a certain way either, because at a certain point, your body probably isn't getting what it needs to actually function right, which is pretty heavy when you think about it. I don't know, it's just one of those things that seems more complicated than people want to admit.
So, like, 21 or 22... that’s pretty much totally normal if you've got a smaller frame or something, I guess.
23 - totally normal (average build)
So, looking at those numbers... 24 to 25? I mean, that’s pretty much just normal, especially if you’ve got one of those bigger, broader builds. It's fine, I guess.
So, I was looking at the numbers, and honestly, if you’re sitting somewhere in that 26 to 29 range on the Body Mass Index scale, you're technically sliding into overweight territory, I guess. It's one of those things where people start getting all worked up about it, but maybe it isn't the end of the world? I don't know. It’s just that bit of extra weight where you aren't exactly "obese" yet, but you're definitely not hitting those lower numbers either. It’s kind of a weird middle ground, if you think about it. You might feel fine, or maybe you feel a little sluggish, but it's hard to say. I mean, everyone's body is different and all that, but yeah, according to the standard stuff, that's the zone where doctors usually start giving you that look. Just a thought, I guess.
So, I was thinking about that 30 to 39 age bracket, you know, where things start feeling a little different physically... and honestly, it’s mostly just about the weight gain. It feels like as soon as you hit those years, your metabolism just decides to take a permanent vacation or something. I guess it's just how it goes, maybe? One day you're fine, and the next, everything is changing.
So, I was thinking about this thing—39, specifically regarding medical obesity—and man, it’s just one of those topics that gets everyone worked up, isn't it? I guess there's no easy way to wrap your head around it, especially when you look at how much people obsess over the Body Mass Index lately. It feels like every time you turn on the news or scroll through some health forum, someone is shouting about weight limits or whatever, but it's all so complicated, honestly. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like we spend way too much time categorizing people instead of actually looking at the whole picture. It's kind of wild how much weight society puts on a single number, though I suppose from a clinical standpoint, the doctors have their reasons. Still, it makes you wonder if we're missing the forest for the trees, you know? Just a thought, I guess.

nimbleskipper13 said:So, I was thinking about this, and honestly, if your Body Mass Index is north of 50, that’s pretty much an automatic green light for obesity surgery on its own, I guess. And even if you're sitting somewhere in that 40 to 50 range, if you've got other stuff going on—like dealing with diabetes or high blood pressure—that's usually enough of a reason to qualify for a procedure too, maybe. It just seems like that's how the math works out for most people.
Look, I mean, we’re obviously talking about those patients where none of the standard, controlled weight-loss diets actually did anything at all... they just didn't work, I guess.

Honestly, all these so-called "medically supervised restrictive diets"—that’s just the fancy term the medical establishment loves to throw around—they don't seem to have anything to do with actual mental well-being if you ask me. It feels like they're totally disconnected from how our brains actually function, and I guess, if you really think about it, maybe there should be some kind of law to actually ban this stuff altogether!!!
Why though? I mean, seriously, what's even the point? I guess I'm just sitting here wondering about the reasoning behind all this, maybe because it feels like we're just spinning our wheels, but I don't know, it's hard to say for sure without more context, I suppose.
The thing is, most of these diets don't even bother looking at whether you're actually getting a decent balance of nutrients—you know, like vitamins, minerals, fiber, proteins, fats, and carbs—they just obsess over total calorie intake, which I guess is fundamentally flawed and honestly pretty ridiculous right from the jump.
Look, if you're out here trying to run your body on zero vital nutrients, you're basically just starving yourself—which is a fancy way of saying you're wrecking your system and inviting a whole mess of health issues down the road. I mean, maybe you think you're winning because the scale is moving, but you're really just damaging your internal organs and metabolic function, which leads to all sorts of nasty complications later on. And then, once you're done with that "crash diet" phase, all that weight you lost? It comes right back, usually with a massive yo-yo effect that makes things even worse. But here’s the kicker, and I guess this is what people miss: that weight gain isn't the only thing coming back. The physical damage and those underlying health imbalances don't just disappear; they stick around and actually tend to get way more intense over time. 😢

I’m telling you, I honestly believe there isn't a single patient out there who can't lose weight if they actually follow a proper plan, even if their Body Mass Index is sitting at 40, 60, or even 100. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I just feel like if you have the right approach, it should work for anyone, regardless of how high that number goes. 😉

There are tons of examples just like this one, here’s a single one for you:

I can't really make sense of what you're trying to show me here, honestly. I tried looking at that link, but it’s just not loading anything useful on my end, which is kind of annoying because now I'm just sitting here wondering what the big deal was supposed to be. Maybe it's just a broken link or some weird server error, I guess, but either way, it's a total dead end. If you actually wanted me to see something, you might want to try uploading it again or sending a different link, because right now, it's just a blank screen and a whole lot of nothing.

nimbleskipper13 said:So, from what I'm hearing through the grapevine from some colleagues of mine, we aren't seeing a massive surge of patients in that BMI > 50 category just yet here in the States, but honestly, if you look at the global data, there's this pretty clear trend where BMI is just steadily climbing everywhere else... I guess it's only a matter of time before things shift here too.

The reason you don't see that specific stage very often is honestly because it’s just incredibly hard to actually reach that point alive. I mean, most people hit much lower levels of obesity and end up having a heart attack way before they even get there. It's pretty wild when you think about it, but basically every other death in the US is caused by some kind of cardiovascular disease or heart issue... so the math just doesn't add up for them to make it to that level. 😢

Honestly, if you look at the numbers, I guess about 70% of all the health issues people are dealing with these days basically boil down to the same few things: being overweight, eating total junk, and just living this frantic, rushed lifestyle that we've all fallen into. It's like, we're constantly running around, grabbing whatever fast food is easiest, and our bodies are just paying the price for it. It’s pretty much the root of almost everything.

nimbleskipper13 said:Honestly, I don't know... I'm not really buying that 50% of Americans have a Body Mass Index over 25. It feels like that number might be a little bit exaggerated, if you know what I mean. Maybe it's just inflated.

So, I'm starting to get the feeling you might be a doctor or maybe just some kind of medical professional? ... I mean, if you don't even trust the official data from the first major health initiative run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, then honestly, who on earth are you actually going to believe? 🙂

Betty Rivera14 said:If two million Americans are overweight, that basically means every other person walking down the street is carrying extra weight. Which just isn't true.

"That isn't true"?

Maybe try sharing an actual opinion instead of just making a flat-out claim, I guess. Personally, I think it’s spot on, mostly because being a personal weight-loss coach is my actual job, so I suppose I notice things a bit more clearly due to my professional bias... but whatever, it doesn't really matter... it’s probably best to start with yourself... unless you're claiming you don't have any extra weight to lose? 😉

Angela Stewart11 said:The stats about more than half of America being overweight feel kinda off to me. I mean, walking around downtown Chicago, I didn't really get that vibe at all. Everyone seemed pretty lean and fit, honestly. Both the guys and the women. Maybe my eyes are just playing tricks on me, I guess.

I feel like they used the wrong wording there—calling people "overweight" sounds a bit harsh, maybe it should have been phrased as "individuals living with obesity"... 😢

But if you look at the actual mortality data, it shows that basically every other death is tied back to heart disease and cardiovascular issues... and we all know that isn't something you just catch through the air.. 😢

Honestly, you guys are being hilarious right now. If you're actually curious about MacGregor, just know that he and I work in the exact same field, so I run into him at meetings every now and then... 😛

Rachel Brooks63 said:Yeah, I am.

Hey, James Newman4, my man!

Do you seriously, seriously, seriously think we’re such massive idiots that we wouldn't notice you're just a total clone of MacGregor?

Look, man, I don't really know you or anything, but that’s exactly what Mac was just warning me about... honestly, think whatever you want, I guess. It's your constitutional right or whatever. 😉

ps: the three of us could totally go grab some Coca-Cola, just shoot me a DM if you're down... 🙂