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Michael Lee4 said:It’s actually more embarrassing that he didn't make it into ☕

Blaze isn't exactly praying for rain--🤦

I mean, seriously—it can't be a total monsoon every single day like it was yesterday, right? 😕

massa just doesn't want any part of that whole Italian circus😁

cosmicridge5 said:Even if he wanted to, Lewis Hamilton 🤦 just can't distance himself from Grandpa Mass 🤦

Lewis Hamilton truly respects his grandfather—unlike certain other people 😁

How Felipe Massa really got screwed over 😍

I’m fully expecting this thread to turn into an absolute battlefield once the race is over 🧐

stormyviper11 said:Look, I am talking about the car. Back in 1995, Ferrari had one win and ten podiums. They were convincingly the third-best team, trailing quite a bit behind the top two, but every single one of their drivers scored more points individually than the fourth-place team did in total. So, jumping from being part of the top tier to becoming the third-string team is basically the exact same thing as Button's move from Brawn to McLaren this year... which isn't exactly being viewed as some insane move for a champion at his peak just looking for a new challenge...

And how people see Ferrari today before the arrival of the savior is like they were sitting at the bottom of the grid barely making it out of qualifying... ☕ Fundamentally speaking, things had already started falling into place after that rough start to the decade, and they just needed to keep that upward momentum going. If they had someone else as their lead driver, they probably would have pulled off a win every now and then, almost certainly, but the real question is whether they could actually turn that into a consistent thing.

I can't quite agree there. Some people are just natural leaders—true authorities who can squeeze the absolute maximum out of a crew without even having to ask—and Michael Schumacher was exactly that kind of person.

Alonso doesn't have it, Kimi is even further off, and Hamilton is just cocky—nothing more.

Jonathan Booth5 said:Let's be honest here: they showed up for the money, not because of Michael Schumacher, Jean Todt, or anyone else. Ferrari has always been able to bring the biggest check to the table, and they always will.

I disagree—Ross Brawn was actually looking at a deal with McLaren. In the end, it wasn't about the money; it was really about his desire to finish what they started back at Benetton with Michael Schumacher.

silvercobra68 said:My finger was already hovering over the 'H' key—but I promised myself I wouldn't go there.

It wasn't Microsoft who brought Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne into Ferrari; it was Jean Todt, acting on instructions from LDM.

A lot of myth-making going on here.

True, but they were brought in because of Michael Schumacher, not because of Jean Todt.😉

While the raw stats on track might show Schumacher Alonso as being neck-and-neck, there was something else about Schumacher—this incredible knack for gathering the right people at the right moment and inspiring them to push past their limits. If things fell apart, he’d step up and take the heat himself; he truly acted as the heartbeat of the entire organization.

On the flip side, I never really got the sense that Alonso dominated the internal team culture. His role was always pretty defined—he was the driver hired to perform—and whenever things went sideways, the narrative always shifted toward complaints of betrayal or being let down.

Just to put it this way: if you were the owner of a brand-new racing outfit starting from scratch, building a car from the ground up, who would you rather have leading the charge—Schumacher or Alonso?

silvercobra68 said:Let me disagree with you again, especially regarding Webber. You're saying Mark Webber has no brains? What do you mean by that? This season, he is perfectly demonstrating that he has both the brains and the speed, along with courage—not just bravado as you claim. Plus, he has the strongest mental game on the grid. Which driver could masterfully drive Silverstone after his team basically spat in his face? None. Mika Häkkinen was a composed driver with a strong head, but when things didn't go his way, he actually knew how to sit down and cry (like Monza '99). Webber doesn't sit there and cry; Webber breaks legs, gets back up, faces an entire team against him, and still wins races while fighting for a title. In terms of that kind of grit, only Piquet in '86 and '87 really compare—one win, one loss—just like Webber might if he takes it this year. Besides, he's the best of the five when it comes to damage control. Remember Alonso at Spa, when he should have been minimizing damage but instead spun out on his own (I'm not talking about the collision with Barrichello)? Or Silverstone—when he should have minimized damage, he inappropriately overtook Robert Kubica. If he wins the title, it will be because of Spa and Silverstone, not Turkey, Canada, or whatever else. In Canada, he lost two positions, but I'd rather lose two positions than have Lewis Hamilton run him over and both of them DNF. If he clinches it, it'll be thanks to Canada. As for Schumacher, whom you're citing as the best in this group, he's proving this year that the legend might be a myth. There aren't tires specially made for the German this year, no millions upon millions of kilometers of testing; in other words, the polished German is finally in the same pot as everyone else. There is no more preferential treatment. Under those conditions, even Barrichello might have won five titles—maybe six if he'd been the number one driver and someone like Fisichella was second. Get it? It's not about the completeness of the driver; it's about him driving in incomparably better conditions than the rest of the grid. So how can Alonso be worse than him? Tell me, how is Alonso worse than MS? Unless the criterion is just chronology. Alonso is the youngest world champion; he was winning back in 2003 when he was very green, and he wasn't any greener in 2005 when he masterfully drove his way to a title. Can Alonso's first title be compared to MS's first? Yes. Both drove for teams that had the second fastest car on the grid, both were clear number ones, and both faced opponents in cars that were technically faster but plagued by issues. And look how it ended. Alonso's title was as clean as it gets; MS's was as murky as it gets. I'm not talking about the controversial driving standards or nonsense; I'm talking about on-track behavior. Like at Silverstone, why on earth overtake during a pace lap? We haven't seen the full extent of Alonso's Ferrari stint yet, but in 2010, the Ferrari is the second fastest car, just like it was in 1996. So even 2010 is comparable. MS won three times in '96, but Alonso has already won four, and MS wasn't even in the title fight. Honestly, stormyviper11, you've still got plenty of time until 2020, right? Besides, even in wins, he's better: MS started his Ferrari stint with 19 wins, while Alonso is at 21. Two more wins! It's small, but it counts. Look, my friend, it's not all black and it's not all white. Light comes from different angles; sometimes gray looks black, and sometimes gray looks white. Sometimes, in heavy fog, you can't even tell what colors we're talking about—unless, of course, you're Nebelmeister. I'm waiting for the story about Nebelmeister who froze the sun. When is it coming? Give me something; I know a little about Nebelmeister, so I'd love for him to write something for a change, since Monteverdi isn't showing up.

Ahem—if I recall correctly, Lewis Hamilton is actually the youngest, and he even managed to beat Fernando Alonso during his rookie season. So... where does that leave him in this whole argument? 🤔

stormybadger8 said:So basically, three out of your five favorites are the same as mine.👍

I don't know, none of this makes sense to me. You've got the McLaren camp—meaning Hamilton—the Ferrari camp, then the Alonso camp (which logically should be the same thing, though I doubt it), plus a lost Seb over at Williams, myself, and obviously Phil and his obsession with MSC. That's pretty much the whole lineup.

But now I really don't get how you guys claim to be neutral.😕

When I defend Vettel during the Webber-Vettel Turkey situation, suddenly Vettel is the undisputed villain and Webber is the hero, and I'm clearly being totally biased.

But when everyone starts squawking about how Webber is an idiot and Hamilton is just some poor collateral damage from crazy Webber, then that's perfectly fine, right?😕

Look, the reason I didn't even argue about it is because it's been obvious for a long time that there's zero point in debating it. Honestly, I just don't have the energy anymore.☕

They're just messing with you.😁

stormybadger8 said:😕Why? Because Germans are all black, red, green, or brown otherwise?🤣

Colors are easy enough to handle—but man, they really make a statement. 🤣

Whenever I see him, my mind immediately jumps to Julie Andrews and the Von Trapps—it’s such an instant connection for me. 😂

stormybadger8 said:Meanwhile, Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso are real men.🤣

Even if that were true, what does any of that have to do with how he drives or Formula 1 in general?😕

I mean, when I see those blonde highlights... and the guy is German... I just can't quite wrap my head around it.🤣

Jason Campbell70 said:James Bond, but make it Spanish. 😍😁

And what, is he suddenly the poster child for honesty now? 🙂

He isn't exactly a saint—but that feels like a secondary issue right now—since all the focus has shifted toward these ridiculous dirty tricks... if only we could move past them.

For crying out loud, can we please just get some focus here? 😛

stormybadger8 said:😕 then how on earth can you even watch Formula 1 or Fernando Alonso on screen?🤣
If someone here is acting like a saint just because they climbed into a car at the start and then defended him with such insane logic that it makes your head spin, that's Alonso. We aren't much further off from Lewis Hamilton anyway.😬

No need to even mention dedin.🤣

And out of everyone, Vettel is the one who disgusts you because of the excuses?🙄
Look, Keith Rodriguez27, stop talking nonsense.

I seriously don't get this "I'm gonna kill him" comment of yours.🤷
The only explanation is that you only read my posts and have everyone else from this thread on Ignore.🤣
It's true, I can be a jerk sometimes and say some pretty nasty stuff, but I'm definitely not the only one, and I'm certainly not the worst.

So, who are you even rooting for?😕

I actually started writing a post where I was taking your side and defending Sebastian Vettel... and I finished the whole thing, only for the thought to cross my mind that Sebastian Vettel is just a total jerk after all🤣

stormyviper11 said:Fernando Alonso is absolutely on fire right now. He’s finally got his team dialed in and his head straight, and honestly, anything short of him taking the title would be a massive shock. No matter how much people try to twist the math, he’s been the most consistent driver out there over the last five or six seasons. It's just crazy how a mix of weird luck and that classic "Schumacher-style" attitude toward team management caused him to blow his chance at chasing down those legendary records... First, he ran into a wall with McLaren where it was impossible to win, then he shook up the paddock's trust so much that he ended up stuck in a mid-field team for two years. But now that they've moved past the tuning phase? Man, it's not even a stretch to think we could see a streak of titles and pure dominance until the next big rule change hits.

I wouldn't feel too bad if Mark Webber snatched the title, though. It would basically just be the next logical step in this downward spiral of world champion quality: Michael Schumacher - Fernando Alonso - Kimi Raikkonen - Lewis Hamilton - Jenson Button - Mark Webber. They should all just get together and head off to see the Wizard of Oz.
Michael Schumacher could ask for some basic decency and actual fair play.
Fernando Alonso could ask for some respect for his own crew and the rest of the world, for crying out loud.
Kimi Raikkonen could ask for some work ethic and a reason to actually care.
Lewis Hamilton could ask for some air conditioning to cool his head down.
Jenson Button could ask for a heart and maybe a little bit of pace.
Mark Webber could ask for a DNA transplant to move some grit from his ego into the rest of his body.

Vettel isn't quite there yet, and Lewis Hamilton is still maturing, even if Lewis managed to stumble into that one title. I still think age and experience are going to carry the day here. I expect both of them to crack under pressure eventually, and I'm just waiting for Webber to finally screw up because of some stupid mess he started or got caught up in. So, it really comes down to Alonso and Button—the only two guys I actually trust to do their jobs professionally without making massive mistakes. And let's be real, Alonso is faster, has the better car, and more points...

There are maybe twenty Formula 1 World Champions in total, yet you managed to insult a quarter of them in a single sentence—which, frankly, caught me off guard.

But it's specifically these personality flaws you listed...

Give Button some speed and guts, and he'd be just as erratic as Lewis Hamilton.
Give Webber some common sense, and he'd be as boring as Button.
If Alonso showed a bit more respect, he'd just be another reckless guy like Webber.
If Hamilton calmed down, he'd be as cutthroat as Schumacher.
If Schumacher had a sense of fair play, he wouldn't be so obsessed with the job and would be as detached as Kimi Raikkonen.
If Kimi Raikkonen had any work ethic, he'd be as arrogant as Alonso.

So, no matter how you slice it, nothing works out. 👍

stormybadger8 said:I honestly don't get what people have against Sebastian Vettel.

He rolled up to McLaren in a car that was basically a rolling trash can, yet he still pulled off a masterclass season in 2008. Honestly, I can't remember anyone else looking that damn good in a mid-field—if not bottom-tier—car. And the guy never once trashed his team, even though he had every reason to. Between the mechanical failures and the sheer stupidity from the crew over the last three seasons, he’s dealt with more headaches than Jenson Button, Lewis Hamilton, and Fernando Alonso combined during that same stretch. Yet, not once did he run his mouth about them. Not even a word.

Honestly, I don't think anyone else—not even Fernando Alonso—has ever made such a massive impact while driving for a mid-tier team.

Mark Webber never actually showed what he was capable of until he finally got a fast car under him. Before that, all he really had to offer was his massive ego, a stubborn streak a mile wide, and an absurd amount of luck whenever he decided to force things.🤷

Honestly, him winning the title would be just like when Rubens took it last year—or maybe more like Jenson Button’s run. It’s almost cute because we're watching an average driver at the tail end of his career finally show some life. After years of grinding just to scrap for a single point here or there, he’s suddenly in the hunt for a championship. I get it. It’s nice to see a mid-tier guy suddenly become the big shot. I guess people just need to inflate their own expectations, hoping that one day they might stumble into something huge out of nowhere too.🤷

People love to claim Sebastian Vettel is washed up, spoiled, or just plain desperate this season. Honestly? Give me a break. The guy’s made maybe two or three driving mistakes all year. That's about it.😕

If we’re really going to try and compare his nonsense to Lewis Hamilton or Fernando Alonso, then he’s basically a preschooler compared to those guys.☕

The only ones I can't stand are:
Jenson Button? Honestly, I think he’s a total pushover. He can’t put on any pressure, can't even attempt an overtake—nothing. Then you’ve got Mark Webber, who's driving two seconds slower than the leaders while running on tires that are basically disintegrating. He’s such a soft target that they let the other guys bully him just so their golden boy can stay the Number One star.🙄
I honestly don't get how you can just let this slide without a single word of protest. You're letting Mr. Perfect delete stuff immediately without even putting up a fight. Honestly, even Felipe Massa seems like he'd be more likely to stand his ground and say, "Hey, hold on, I'm not some puppet you can just push around," than Jenson Button is.🤦

Lewis Hamilton? Please. He’s such a spoiled brat. He shows up whenever he feels like it, then acts all innocent with that smug little grin, claiming he never meant any harm. Oh, and let's not forget how he suddenly got handed a top-tier car and total, undivided support from the entire team. Despite all that, he barely scraped by to win a title—literally at the very last second. When the pressure is actually on, he crumbles like a cheap cookie. Look, I get it, the kid has style and occasionally drives like an absolute beast, but seriously? What kind of idiot pulls stunts like that when the championship is on the line? It’s just not normal. If he had a 100-point lead with five races left, would that even be enough for him?🤣
I’m not even joking—I saw those two retirements coming a mile away. I was 100% sure everything would go sideways. Honestly, I don't see him pulling off more than maybe two decent races before the season ends; everything else is just going to be a disaster. It wouldn't even surprise me if he finishes ahead of Jenson Button in the standings by the end of the year.

As for Fernando Alonso—sure, he’s on a massive run right now, but I can't stand this whole "everyone in the team has to be his servant" thing just so he can actually drive a decent car.🙄 This season has been pathetic for him. To be blunt, he only looks competent once the entire team sides with him and turns Felipe Massa into a complete joke. Before that, Alonso was nowhere to be found, and I honestly can't wrap my head around it.🤷
Either he's got some major inferiority complex and needs that "ultimate No. 1" status to pump up his ego, or he's just acting like a child. I seriously don't get it.🤷

Mark Webber is honestly more likable than the three guys mentioned above, but I can't bring myself to root for him. Sebastian Vettel is just my guy.

Good grief, how do you have the energy to argue this much on a forum at dawn😢

Frank Collins85 said:Insulting fellow forum members so crudely: 500 points x 2 = 1000 = 👋

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