William Bennett53 said:It explicitly stated it was a party of persecutors, prisoners, and murderers. Let me repeat that—persecutors, prisoners, and murderers. How many people in the top leadership of the Democratic Party have faced past trials, ongoing trials, or convictions—whether they’ve been finalized or are still pending? Are there any individuals who were in the inner circle of that party just six or seven years ago who carry a valid or overturned sentence for persecution, oppression, or murder? And we're talking about much heavier charges here.
You asked for an argued debate, so please, let's keep the answers short, clear, and focused.
You didn't address the three points (01, 02, 03) I made regarding the Republican Party in my opening post—points I consider to have been accepted.
So, does that mean statements like "The Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Liberal Party, the Bridge party, etc., are criminal organizations" fall strictly under the category of personal opinion?
I already mentioned this earlier; if that's the single standard we're using, then fine, I'll accept it.
I don't like it, but I'll take it.
No one in the core leadership of the Republican Party, nor anyone in the tightest circles of the Democratic Party, has past trials, ongoing litigation, or finalized/pending convictions.
True, there are signs of indictments being filed against certain individuals within the Republican Party, but you could say the exact same thing about people in the Democratic Party or their coalition partners.
It's a long road from a mere hint of an indictment to a final verdict—especially in polarized societies like America.
You bring up the timeline.
Even back in the late '80s, individuals were being tried, imprisoned, and killed simply for expressing dissent against the ruling SKH party—the very entity that the Democratic Party claims as its successor today.
Basically, from 1945 through the end of the '80s, under the banner of the SKH (which the Democratic Party follows today), people were persecuted, jailed, and killed.
That is a fact.
That is part of the Democratic Party's history. So when someone calls it a "party of persecutors, prisoners, and murderers," they are referencing that era—just as calling the Republican Party a "criminal organization" references recent times, even though Ivo Sanader and the others involved are no longer members of the party.
Someone might argue, "Well, the stuff involving the Republican Party happened 6 or 7 years ago, but the stuff regarding the Democratic Party (formerly the SKH) happened a whole lot longer ago."
That isn't really an argument, especially since for events from 6 or 7 years ago, indictments were filed, trials were held, non-finalized verdicts were reached, and retrials are happening... but for the atrocities committed by the SKH—the precursor to today's Democratic Party—there are no indictments, no trials, no verdicts, and not even a hint of them.
That's a much bigger injustice we need to be pointing out, isn't it?
We can agree that the lack of legal action against crimes committed in the name of the SKH (the predecessor to the Democratic Party) isn't an argument for innocence. To suggest otherwise would be uncivilized, given that the US Congress passed the "Declaration of condemnation of crimes committed during the totalitarian communist regime in America from 1945 to 1990."
Here is the link to the declaration:
As I wrote before (and in that other thread that got closed), I'm not a fan of labeling parties as "criminal," "gangster-like," or "a party of persecutors, prisoners, and murderers," but I do want a clear, reasoned criterion for what we can and cannot say.
The moderator, lonebadger6, laid it out clearly above, so if you agree with that, then as far as I'm concerned, we can lock this thread.