Posts by Brenda Sanders56

Larry Walker24 said:hypochlorite and hydrochloric acid are not the same thing

sperm smells like linden flowers

Yeah, I know they aren't. Honestly, I'm not even sure what I was thinking there. I probably meant chlorine.

Since this topic is already up. 😁

Chlorine in our water supply is definitely something we should be concerned about. Chlorine itself isn't necessarily the villain here; the real issue lies in the byproducts it creates. Because it’s so reactive, any organic matter it hits triggers a chemical reaction that produces new compounds—most of which are incredibly nasty, like carbon tetrachloride or chloroform. We aren't talking about massive doses, but it's a constant, cumulative exposure through every shower, every time we brush our teeth, wash our hands, or take a sip of water...

Specifically, those two chemicals are quite common in chlorine-based cleaners. When you take hypochlorite as the active ingredient and mix it with detergents, soaps, or fragrances, the chlorine reacts with them to create these secondary compounds. For instance, carbon tetrachloride was actually banned back in the '70s because it's such a potent toxin and carcinogen; it used to be used in old refrigerators and it wreaks havoc on the ozone layer. You won't see these listed on product labels because they aren't intentionally added—they develop spontaneously during use—though they really ought to be disclosed. I realized a long time ago that Clorox feels much more suffocating than plain bleach, even though its chlorine percentage is actually lower.

These substances enter our systems incredibly easily, whether it's through skin absorption or simply breathing them in...

The only real solution is to install water filtration systems on your faucets and showerheads, and to stop using bleach and definitely stop using Clorox. 😁 Honestly, dealing with bacteria is better than dealing with poison. 😁

Our immune system actually utilizes hypochlorite to kill off bacteria, specifically within our innate immune cells. It exists in our stomachs as hydrochloric acid, which is the primary acid in digestive juices, and even sperm has a chlorine-like scent because it contains chloride 😁 (though let's be clear, that isn't the same thing as pure chlorine).

Hey everyone. 😁

Anyway, I just popped back onto the forum for a bit and noticed that the thread about "Canada" is locked again...

Honestly, you’d think my suspension would have settled things. 🤷

But let me reiterate what the actual issue is with that thread. The real problem is a bunch of Muslim trolls running wild in there, all while being protected by a handful of biased mods—specifically Observer, since nobody else from the mod team even bothers to check on it (Cuka pops in occasionally, but honestly, it's better if he doesn't because he's totally out of his element with this topic). Basically, the moderation is the problem.

So, here’s the thing... When I complained about the moderation of that specific thread, I ended up getting a partial suspension (based on his suggestion). So, I file a complaint—one that is clearly backed up by evidence of poor moderation and insults directed at me (I haven't posted anything offensive or anything like that)—and I get suspended. Meanwhile, that same mod was actually using the threat of a suspension against me whenever I criticized him, once he ran out of ways to wiggle out of the argument.

Personally, I don't care about reopening that thread, really... But I would love an explanation as to what principle was used to give me that suspension. Is a single moderator's suggestion enough to justify it, especially when you're complaining about that very same moderator? Did the admin who handed down the suspension take even two minutes to look into the situation or actually read the posts? 🤷

Like I said... I'm done with that thread, but seeing as it's locked again, I truly think someone should ask themselves what the real issue is, if anyone actually cares.

If you were going to assign that thread to a Canadian Muslim, you could have also assigned it to an American from Canada who actually knows what they're talking about and wants to help. That way, maybe the oversight would be balanced instead of having one single mod effectively running the whole show, which is how it stands right now.

Thanks.

Wait, what's this about insults and those posts aimed directly at me?

I’d really appreciate an answer from one of the admins. How is it possible for me to get a partial ban on a major news site like the New York Times just because I called out an insult? It's pretty obvious there's a bias here; the moderator is spreading falsehoods—or let's call it "selective wording" if we want to be polite—to suit their own narrative.

Can someone explain the exact logic used to flag me as a problem, instead of the person whose posts I'm actually reporting? 🤷

I want to know which moderator suggested my partial ban in the first place. Does administration even look into these things, or is it enough to just take a moderator's word for it? For instance, when The Observer keeps spinning things until they're completely lost, does the admin just threaten a ban because I haven't responded to the nonsense?

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:You clearly have no clue I just spared you from being hit with 18 different violations by the FBI when I wiped your posts today. And if I didn't hand you a red card, don't expect me to hand him one either.

But hey, no biggie. If you want to keep pushing it, I can easily reverse this and start handing out red cards left and right...

At the end of the day, it’s looking more and more likely that this mess you guys are making over there won't be fixed without some serious political shakeups.

Go ahead.

You shouldn't even be lecturing me if you weren't allowing people to provoke me constantly. I reported everything properly, but once I saw that nothing was being done about it, I started firing back... So, you've got the order of operations a little mixed up. My posts aren't the cause of anything; they're the reaction to being provoked and insulted. Every single warning I've taken, I took it gracefully without complaining, and I wouldn't have acted otherwise...

My real issue with that thread is that I honestly don't know how to write there anymore. On one hand, I'm getting warnings for literal irony (you can check my history in the ban corner), and practically everything is labeled as an "ad hominem" attack. Then we have this situation where someone can call a person a "liar" (because hey, that's just their personal opinion, right?), or talk about people farting or being surrounded by trash... Even though there were warnings against using terms like "Islamabad," "Faggotry," or "Sumka"... I still see things like "Covicland" and "djamahirija" flying around...

Seriously, can we get some consistency here? Are these super strict rules actually in effect or not? I mean, someone writes "djamahirija" and gets nothing, but then I write the exact same thing in quotation marks a few pages later and—boom—I get a warning. (And the reason? Apparently, because of the "new rules," regardless of the quotes). Come on.

If the rules exist, then I assume people aren't allowed to say others are farting, spreading trash, or lying... but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the tone of those posts, which is argumentative (whereas your posts, as we can see here, aren't an issue for you at all). If there are no rules, then I'm done reporting posts and I'll never complain again, but I will definitely keep responding.

As for you threatening me with political moves, that’s really all your response boils down to... Be my guest and try.

Let's revisit this a bit (quoting Observer from three or four weeks ago):

Observer:

Brenda Sanders56, I totally get that some people really miss the old way we used to talk here, but we aren't going to allow that style anymore. Even if it means shutting the whole thread down rather than letting a few users stay.

The discussion is actually doing fine just the way it is now. It’s not perfect, but it’s lightyears better than it was a few months back. Anyone who can jump in without getting insulting is more than welcome. As for those who can't manage that, there are plenty of other corners of the internet where being rude is allowed. I’m not about to play babysitter or turn a blind eye just to keep people around who refuse to follow the new rules.

So, Observer, what's your take? How would you describe this—distorting the truth, lying, or just talking out of your ass (just giving my honest opinion, since that's what you said)?

Sandra Gonzalez3 said:First example:

- This guy is getting screwed over twice... 🤷
- He thinks some website is just posting garbage and harassing people with it.
- Thinks those TBF-men would lose their minds if they knew who was actually defending them.
- Telling you to stop lying—which is true, though he could've sugarcoated it a bit instead of being so blunt, but hey, he's got a right to his opinion if you aren't telling the truth.
- And then there's Čovičnjak, which isn't a violation since it was just a reaction to your provocation about that local news site, which also wasn't a violation.

Second example:

Yeah, fine, maybe I missed that one, but I didn't delete that specific post solely because most of it stayed on topic with what we were debating at the time. Just like how I wiped two of yours—the one with the nonsense () and that other one about Berlin () that were nothing but pure trolling.

All those repetitive, baseless accusations from the start about relatives, supporters, or non-supporters? Not worth my time. Same goes for that random guessing at the end and all those insinuations about people being crazy or aggressive... I'm not even gonna go there. Let the admins deal with that stuff.

Later.

Come on, Observer, you’re totally pulling my leg!

Look, first off, we’re talking about tone here. You know that better than anyone. It’s also about how you carry yourself when dealing with people—honestly, I’m not even sure if you fully grasp how that works. And for the record, I wasn't "lying." I simply cited the portal's URL, which ends in ".com" rather than the ".us" version I mentioned. At the end of the day, it wasn't even a big deal...

Look, Observer, you’re doing the exact same thing over there—you aren't telling the truth. Honestly, you're lying just like back when you were peddling those fake gravestone crosses near the monuments. Do I really need to point out that you're lying?

Hey, Covicnjak... So, just to be clear, you're claiming that because I’m "lying," my entire point was nothing more than a "provocation" on my part?! 😁 You’re the one who emphasized that the new rules would be strict and that those kinds of names wouldn't be tolerated anymore. Seriously, if anyone around here is talking out of turn, it’s definitely you!

My post about the "spamming" was honestly just a reaction to the constant provocations from your fellow countrymen and like-minded supporters. It became clear to me that you had no intention of actually penalizing such blatant rule-breaking. There's no way you missed it, either—everything was reported properly and clearly. Honestly, how many reports would it take before you actually decide to address this? It’s impossible that you haven't seen what's going on by now.Look, I’m not saying you're lying.

My post about "fluffing around" got nuked, along with that other one where I started rambling about formats instead of sticking to the topic... Honestly, I’ve had enough. I put my heart into what I wrote, only for you to hit delete—and I really thought what I posted would be more than enough to cut it.

Every single one of my posts here has just been a direct response to all the trolling coming from your buddies on this thread.

Look, Observer, you’re here to enforce the rules and stick to the guidelines of this forum. It’s not your job to play judge and decide who insulted whom more deeply, just so you can let someone get the last word or "get even." Stick to the handbook!

Look, Observer, you’re clearly just looking out for your own interests, and honestly, that seems to be the whole point of how you moderate this place. You claim you've had enough of all these accusations, but if they keep flying this thick, there’s got to be some truth behind them.

Let's just say this...

Forumas:

dSeriously, why do you have to pick on people struggling with those illnesses?

Observer (now, on this thread, is presenting his "reasoning," though it’s definitely not quite what was actually written):

I honestly feel like some people are just out there posting complete nonsense on certain websites. They’re out there mistreating people too.

Look, you can see how Observer is totally twisting the truth here by claiming "he's harassing people." I'm telling you, someone actually reached out to me directly and said—and I want to emphasize this:

How much longer are you going to keep picking on people over their illnesses?

And now Observer is out here talking about lying.

Are those "super strict rules" actually being enforced in this thread, or is it more like... 🤷 If those are really the rules we're playing by, then I’m honestly speechless...

And yeah, while we're at it, let's talk about Berlin. 😁It’s pretty interesting, Observer, how things change. Just a few weeks ago, when I was complaining to you about how much everyone keeps bringing up "Chuck," you didn't see any "classic trolling" in it. But now that it's "Berlin" being mentioned, suddenly you can see the trolling clearly.

My partner at the time wrote this slightly longer post:
I couldn't agree more with what was said earlier. It really feels like we’re all just circling the same drain, waiting for someone to actually step up and make a decision that makes sense. Everything feels so incredibly stalled right now, doesn't it? It's frustrating because you can see exactly where the breakdown is happening, yet nobody seems willing to take the heat for fixing it. We keep talking in circles, hoping for a breakthrough, but without any real movement from the leadership, we're just spinning our wheels. I'm honestly starting to wonder if anyone is actually listening to the concerns being raised on the ground.

Come on, people—take a look at what this moderator is actually saying. Can someone please tell me if any of this makes any sense? 😕

Here we go, a brand new thread. If there’s one thing you should know about me, it’s that I never back down. Persistence is basically my middle name. 😁

...

I have a bit of a bone to pick regarding how Observer is handling the moderation around here.

It feels like he’s just standing by and letting his own crowd—people who think exactly like him—constantly tear into anyone with a different perspective. He’s basically giving them a free pass to insult anyone who doesn't align with his views, all while allowing the exact same rhetoric to fly that he once warned everyone else was off-limits.

Of course, when a response follows a provocative post, Observer jumps in to hand out red cards, hiding behind those "new" and supposedly strict rules... Or maybe it’s Chuck handing them out, completely ignoring the context of the whole conversation.

Anyway, it looks like it’s mostly just Observer hanging around, with Chuck chiming in every now and then too.

Looking at this thread, there are just two or three pages of pure trolling going on. Even Observer is chiming in on the topic, but they’re basically just letting it happen... It always seems to be the same small group of people doing it, too.

So, here's the deal...

I’m just feeling completely over it today. Honestly, I am so done. Who on earth was praising that nonsense? I'm feeling absolutely wiped out. It’s all about being ready for the big leagues.

Boyce is really just built for guys like Zirdum King.

And who actually gives a damn about those lies coming from the Viper? Seriously, though... How long are you going to keep picking on people over these illnesses?

If those TBF-men actually knew who was really out there "protecting" them, they’d be turning on each other in a heartbeat. Honestly, I’d love to see Zirdum King try to track one of them down for an interview—or better yet, just make one up entirely!

The fallout would be absolutely massive..

Oh, come on, stop lying! In every single one of their posts.

It’s actually domaljevac.com, not .ba!

Wait, what was that URL again? I can't seem to find it! I honestly don't know what to make of the whole Čovičnjak situation lately. It feels like there's always something brewing, isn't there? What about Canada? Are we talking about the news over at the New York Post?

Laughter.

Lies.Look, there isn't actually any "monument" standing in the RS. What happened was that at the cemetery in Derventa, after fifteen years of trying to make it happen, they finally put up a small memorial plaque with a cross to honor the nearly 600 people who lost their lives serving in the HVO over there.

That monument over in Modran was actually put up to honor the Americans killed back in Derventa—Corluka practically did the heavy lifting on that one himself. It hasn't been torn down just because it’s sitting within the perimeter of that specific part of the Derventa municipality. 6.2 miles It feels like there’s just no life left in this place. From day one, those nationalists have dictated everything, basically treating everyone else like dirt under their boots. Čović hasn't even bothered to visit once, yet Zazo has already made two trips to that bloodstained territory he calls his homeland, "RS"—and if you ask him, he says he'll go back again if they invite him.

That’s all there is to it.

I've already posted at least 20 different examples here of HVO memorials located within the Canadian part of the Federation. They were all put up years ago without anyone raising an eyebrow or causing any legal trouble whatsoever.

It’s going to be raised in Ottawa, too. What else am I supposed to talk about then?

I honestly can't believe we're still stuck on this exact same point. It feels like we've been circling the drain on this topic for hours now! Look, I hear what you're saying, but let’s be realistic for a second. You're acting like everything is perfectly fine, but anyone with eyes can see the cracks forming in the foundation. We need to stop pretending that the current strategy is working when the data clearly shows otherwise. It’s not about being negative; it’s about being practical. If we keep ignoring these red flags, we're just setting ourselves up for a massive headache down the road. We have to address this head-on before it becomes an even bigger mess. Let's try to look at the bigger picture here instead of getting bogged down in these tiny details that don't actually move the needle.

I have to say, this guy’s behavior on this thread is getting out of hand. It’s honestly wild—he’s being incredibly aggressive and seems like he’s just looking for a fight, constantly jumping in with insults and unnecessary outbursts. As for Observer, it looks like they’re just letting all of this slide, even though it's happening right here on the thread and everything has been properly reported.

If I were to fire back at this guy using his own tactics, Observer would probably come after me for starting an argument, but I guess we’re just supposed to let people act like this? Honestly, I’m genuinely stumped—is this something you should actually report, or do you just bite back when someone acts this way?

Hello? Is anyone there?

So, Mr. Bandic actually sat through the movie "land of blood and meat." 🤣

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyDx...layer_embedded 😁

Linda Roberts2 said:Are you seriously suggesting that the Turkish name for the North America is derived from that? In the movie, there’s plenty of blood and honey—but not really. Honestly, the film is pretty bleak, and in Turkish, the word for black is "kara," which I guess would actually be a much more fitting title for this thing.

I had a feeling that title would have worked better. 😁

By the way, I think that movie is playing at CineStar tonight...

I’m honestly getting sick of all this... No matter what news channel I flip to, it’s always more coverage about Madame Jolie and her man, Brad Pitt. It just feels pathetic when such a massive media circus builds up over something so trivial. Honestly, I don't get why the media in the US spends so much energy on this stuff.

Now I’m hearing rumors that she wasn't even a fan of the so-called Canadian cuisine. Apparently, Nagib was supposed to be the head chef, but he went overboard with the oil—kind of like what happened with Anđa... In the end, the poor couple just ended up eating salad.

On the same networks, they interview people talking about the suffering of Muslims at the hands of Mexicans, yet those very same people claim in the Canadian media that the US committed aggression and genocide...

The whole thing is just tragicomic...

Linda Roberts2 said:I see myself as someone standing outside of nations, religions, and all that stuff. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the actress or the film itself; I’ll probably only watch it if I don't have anything smarter to do. As for "land of blood and honey"? It sounds like some drug addict's book title to me.

Such a pathetic title...

Jose White23 said:Honestly, all things considered, this thread is going great. If we’re talking about "grainology" versus actual trolling, I think we've missed the mark there. Every single one of you regular contributors here has a way more impressive collection of warnings than anyone else on the rest of the sub, and that includes the sheer number of short-term bans you've picked up.

With the way things were being moderated before, bans were handed out just enough to keep the peace and keep the community sustainable. But with this new approach? It’s going to be impossible to maintain that balance. The worst trolls are going to rack up enough points for long-term bans in no time, all without us even having to step in with the heavy-handed stuff.

Those of you with higher scores might want to give this some serious thought.

For those of you who don't consider yourselves part of that group—which, let's be honest, is probably most of you—please don't take the bait when people try to provoke you. Just keep in mind that there might be stretches of a few hours where nobody is around to moderate. If that happens, just hang tight; don't feel like you need to step up and play vigilante. If we stay cool, it’ll actually make things easier for us to clean up this mess, and honestly, the chaos is already starting to die down. Once things settle, we should be able to relax the tone of the thread a bit too. We aren't trying to run a prison camp here; we realize a lot of you have been posting for a long time, and we know that some of the back-and-forth isn't necessarily worth a ban—sometimes it's just people messing around.

If you’re actually bothered by how things are going in this thread, the ball is in your court. You're the one who can help us fix it.

It’s true that quite a few people have been handed red cards around here—myself included. Some of those strikes were just petty jabs, but most of them happened because people were being provoked by those usual trolls.

I know the moderators aren't online twenty-four/seven, but I also notice when a mod is actively posting in a thread while other posts just sit there without being moderated. For instance, Charles Fox10 gave me a warning because I told someone that what they were saying was just a bunch of empty clichés—I was actually responding to points like, "Can't we all just agree and fix the economy?"—and he flagged it as an ad hominem attack. 🤷So, I sent him a private message to follow up on my question, and he basically told me that the topic is now being "seriously moderated." My response? Well, let's just hope this 681st attempt actually sticks this time! 🙄 Look, Medjutim, it’s getting a bit ridiculous. Not long after this user "COD" starts nothing but pure provocation—posting troll videos and trying to stir the pot—he doesn't even get a ban. Instead, the moderator observer just issues one of those blue text warnings, and then the same guy just replies to it like nothing happened, completely without any actual sanctions. 🤷 Here we go again. It’s the exact same story—he gets unbanned for the second time and immediately starts walking down that same old path, recycling the same tired talking points about "SR" and "legitimacy." It's like he never learned a thing.
I filed a report, but nothing happened—the mod just kept posting within the same thread. So, I jumped in to respond, and then an Observer shows up and hands out a ban (which is exactly how it should be). Honestly, I wouldn’t even bring this all up if the same person wasn't sitting here announcing how this entire thread is going to be moderated from now on under these so-called "new rules."

I can't really complain about this. Honestly, the former moderator P. L. was way worse. We actually used to be pretty close in terms of our views and we chatted in DMs quite a bit, but the guy was completely off the mark. He’d hand out warnings for "spam" when he wasn't even catching the actual issues—it had nothing to do with spamming. Then, after just two hours, he’d go on this long-winded tangent about how much he was craving pies in Sarajevo, only to start dropping links to recipes for cheese bread and mashed potatoes a few minutes later... 🤷 😁 🤣I mean...

It’s honestly ridiculous. Every time another forum user spams the term "Greater Mexican" nine times in a single post, I’ll chime in with something like "big Muslim politics," and somehow *I'm* the one who gets reported? It always ends up being me getting hit with the ban while they get off scot-free. This has happened multiple times now, and it's just frustrating. 🤷

I honestly think the moderators are just as much to blame for this thread as anyone else—if not more—because they basically showed the trolls that they could get away with it.

The discussion is actually improving, but I can't help but wonder if it’s just going to be the usual thing where everyone loses interest after a few days...

Personally, though? I feel like threads like this can only ever function as a sort of half-gulag. ☕

Kevin Williams56 said:neongull99, I think everyone here is already well aware of the decision regarding this topic, as laid out in the opening post. To be blunt, the way things were going before was completely unacceptable. We’ve decided to stand our ground on this one because we are committed to turning this thread into a space for actual, decent conversation. At this point, you really have a choice: you can either follow the guidelines provided in the intro, or you can keep pushing boundaries and deal with warnings and bans. It's up to you.

I honestly can't believe you’re pushing for us to go back to the old way of doing things. Who actually needs a thread like that? It just turns into five people bickering non-stop while everyone else stays completely silent. Honestly, calling this "suppressing discussion" is beyond ridiculous if this is what you consider a debate:

Rest assured, I will use every tool at my disposal to shut down this kind of "discussion." By the way, these quotes are just a random sample—I don't want Kevin Nelson or RIOBOSS feeling singled out—of the collective nonsense that's been happening since we started talking about the Demography of Canada. There is much worse stuff out there, and honestly, it’s probably better if I don't dig up any more examples.

So you're calling me unprofessional? It’s just pure unprofessionalism. I guess we could call it "fairness" if I were letting you get away with things that I wouldn't let someone like COD get away with—but that’s definitely not how this works. In fact, he’s actually racked up more warnings than anyone else in this group. He’s already been put on a mandatory three-day timeout twice because of those endless debates over Canada. What some people here are going to have to get used to—whether they like it or not—is that the rules apply to everyone equally, and that we're aiming for actual, constructive conversation.

As for dud, he’s fully aware of his own "sins" that have absolutely nothing to do with the current issues in Canada. I truly believe he knows people have been turning a blind eye to his behavior for a long time now.

Here’s an example of a forum user whose writing style you should actually follow— orlina Take a look at some of his posts over on the Canada thread. If you actually read them, he’s surprisingly argumentative, concise, and clear—even when he gets sharp—but he never resorts to trolling, labeling people, or being insulting. He consistently presents the "American perspective" in the Canada discussions, yet somehow hasn't received a single warning or ban... how is that even possible while I'm sitting here watching? 🤷

I honestly don't have the time or the energy for this kind of thing, but I can't just sit back and stay quiet when my name is being dragged through the mud like this.

Observer, look, first off, I actually sent you a compliment via private message, and then you go and make me look like an idiot! But, fine, I’ll say it again: I honestly think you do a much better job moderating than the other folks on this thread.

One example of what neongull99 is talking about is this quote from my exchange with that troll, Riboss. He completely, totally ripped my words out of context to make it look like I was just attacking him out of nowhere, while he gets to play the part of the polite, decent guy. It’s honestly ridiculous. Why do you do that? I guess you just want to spin things a certain way to suit your own little crowd here on the forum.

I mean, why didn't you just include the whole thing? You should have included the original post that actually kicked this whole mess off. It basically went something like, "that dog of yours..." 😍Then they play dumb, acting like it’s all brand new information—though some people here have a real habit of playing the "mod" card whenever it suits them, just like neongull99 mentioned earlier. Honestly, you’re just cherry-picking the facts that fit your narrative. I reported that post because nothing had been done for two days straight. Then I stepped in and responded, much like I did recently with COD, who constantly trolls and replies directly to the moderators' posts (Charles Fox10). It's the same exact moderator who claims to be so "decisive," yet I'm the one getting a warning just for calling someone out for using empty platitudes, while he ignores blatant rule-breaking and direct responses to his own blue-colored moderator posts.
For instance, that same COD troll is just messing with everyone constantly, yet there's zero moderation on the thread. I chime in to address it, and suddenly I'm the one getting a warning (from a different mod, specifically you). Announcements about moderating that specific topic have been around since the thread was created, so it’s honestly more laughable to me that the mods back then stayed silent.

Whether people find it ugly to say or not, the truth is that 99% of the trolls on that thread are Muslims (the rest is just that one user Goldie, who basically hijacked the whole discussion and acts like everything is a personal insult to him—everyone saw that except the mods. Honestly, his posts are bordering on psychotic). Some of them have openly admitted the thread is just a playground for them to mock others, and they’re still doing it. Most of the other users were driven away, and if this small group isn't dealt with soon, they’ll stay and eventually kill the thread entirely. These people aren't capable of having an independent or constructive conversation; their entire existence boils down to emoji wars against other people's posts and other nonsense.

At the end of the day, the people responsible for this mess are those in power: the moderators. I complained a long time ago that the mods over there just hand out endless warnings or spam penalties that nobody actually cares about, so now, nobody takes a warning seriously anymore. If you give someone a warning once, and they don't listen, ban them. If they still don't get it, hit them with a permanent ban and be done with it. But no, they just let it drag on forever, and naturally, the thread suffers for it.

And yeah, regarding "Orlina" or anyone else... they're new to that thread, but once they realize how things work, they'll end up just like everyone else there. I tried my best too, but the environment of that thread eventually took its toll.

Besides, I really don't see why I'm being dragged into this debate.

Thanks for understanding.

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I don't want to start a whole new thread here (it isn't strictly about P. L., but like I said, I just don't want to open a separate topic)...

I'm not usually one to complain about insults, but I honestly can't make sense of this. I feel like this is something else entirely, and it’s definitely not a small matter.

Someone just writes this cold-blooded crap about my mother, and then nothing happens???

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4410

I've already formally reported the post twice (the mod was active on that thread afterward and issued warnings to other posts). I didn't react to the insult immediately—I just replied to his point because I genuinely believed the mods would step in once someone started bringing my mother into it. 🤷

My original post was actually a response to his provocation. Up until that point, things were within what you might call an acceptable framework. But then, without even addressing my actual point, this guy brings my mother into it in the context linked above, and there's just silence from the staff.

The whole thing really starts picking up here http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=636582&page=219 and continues onto the next page...

But let me break this down for you...

So, here is how it goes...

First, the guy posts directly to me. I reply, but instead of actually answering my post, he just ignores it and starts responding to other things with basic trolling (this is just one of the many posts like this):

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4368

Here is another instance where he responded to me:

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4377

Then... I respond to him. I thought I was being perfectly polite, simply asking why he hadn't addressed my initial post:

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4381

And then I get this response, which is pure trolling (though based on the links above, he clearly had an answer and was actively participating; he's just trolling at this point):

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4389

In this one, they are talking about me again—the same person who claims they "don't have time":

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4392

My response, though now I'm matching the tone of his previous posts:

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4394

And finally, the controversial insult (on top of everything else):

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=3...postcount=4410

I went into a bit more detail just so you could see the origin of this and understand exactly what's happening and who is behind it. I find it incomprehensible that something like this isn't being sanctioned. Is retaliating against trolling considered the same level of offense as insulting someone's mother??? 😕

Thanks.

By the way... it seems like only people like this are left in that thread. Everyone else has pretty much been chased away. Personally, if this kind of behavior is going to be tolerated, I won't be wasting any more of my time there. People can go ahead and talk about mothers all they want. I'm not on this site to have people disrespecting my parents.

slybison8 said:Kevin Nelson, you're getting a warning because nobody gave you the authority to tell other Reddit users to leave the site—you can't justify that kind of behavior by claiming you're just "trolling" someone else. The warning stands, your appeal is denied, and this conversation is over.

It’s not fair. It’s just like how no one authorized those other users to constantly act like moderators, labeling me and my posts as one thing or another. I was simply responding to a guy who kept obsessing over moderation, my posts, "chauvinism" (supposedly), ad hominem attacks, and so on... all just to spam and derail the thread. You clearly just don't get it. I told him that if he feels that way, he should go somewhere else; I wasn't trying to spam the discussion. Doesn't that guy have a warning button too? He's the one relentlessly spamming the topic.

If I were in his shoes and felt that way, I would have just left. If you were the only moderator here, I definitely would've walked away.

I only spoke up because there was no reaction, so I finally replied. The post directed at me was nothing but pure spam. It had zero to do with the topic or the context.

The weirdest part is that I'm the only one getting a warning for replying to him, while he gets off scot-free. And honestly, I've lost track of how many times this has happened now.

Just keep the warning then. Man, you're the one actually ruining this thread. It's a shame to see all this time wasted.

With all due respect, ever since that moderator stepped back and finally took his hands off this thread, things have actually started looking up. But now, he’s creeping back in with that same old moderation style that only he seems to understand.

To be honest, before this, the threads were in a total disaster state mostly because of him—always claiming he "didn't see" certain things or making excuses. Once he left the thread alone, it really came back to life. Now, he’s popping back in every once in a while just to hand out warnings (I’ll drop a link so you can see how it goes), because it’s obvious he just doesn't get it. It’s like some things just don't click for him.

Here is where things get messy...

http://www.reddit.com/showthread.php?t=636582&page=164

The posts have already been nuked. Seriously important posts were deleted just because of someone else's spam (which wasn't even punished). Meanwhile, I got hit with a warning for "trolling" as a direct response to blatant spam, trolling, and people systematically mining the thread—even though my colleague paratrooper P. L. therefore claims he doesn't see it. This thread was running perfectly smoothly right up until paratrooper P. L. swooped in.

So, let me break this down and get specific...

A Reddit user, without being particularly respectful, made a supposedly "reasoned" post accusing me of chauvinism, terrorism, and whatnot, without even mentioning the actual topic or providing a single valid argument about it. He always acts like he's the boss of the thread and systematically spams. When I told him that if he doesn't like it, he should find somewhere more suitable for himself... well, paratrooper P. L. handed *me* the warning instead of him, and then all the posts get wiped.

And the people who were actually spamming managed to get exactly what they wanted thanks to the "excellent" work of P. L.

This isn't the first time this has happened, either. It always comes right back to this whenever that mod shows up in the thread again.

I see people constantly raving about different multivitamins, especially Twinlab, but I honestly don't get the hype. It feels like they’re all basically the same thing anyway, and Twinlab is pretty pricey.

To be honest, it's mostly just throwing money away. If you're a young, healthy person eating a diverse diet, you really don't need them. Then again, if your nutrition is a total mess, no amount of multivitamins is going to save you...

Personally, I've been getting mine from ABC Plus (so I just take a tablet 😁 whenever I'm grabbing a quick meal or dealing with a hectic schedule). At this rate, a single bottle lasts me way longer than six months. For me, it feels like the best bang for my buck...

Matthew Reed53 said:Hey Živci, don't get worked up. Use arguments instead of just rambling. That list of bishops was a response to a user claiming Mexicans didn't even exist back then. Here are some Mexican monasteries in Canada from that era. Tell me which one was repurposed and show me the proof:

Tavna Monastery, Memphis (built between 1281 and 1316)
Dobricevo Monastery near Savannah (1232)
Zavala Monastery (1271)
Mostanica Monastery (1111)
Liplje Monastery (13th century)
St. Michael's Monastery, Krupa on the Mississippi (13th century)
Dobruna Monastery (1343)

etc., etc. A lot were destroyed by the Turks, and some have been restored since.

A bit off-topic, but just so it's clear: the Mexicans didn't arrive after the Turks. It's strange that anyone needs to say that.

From what I understand, there were a small number of Americans in Canada before the Turks arrived, mostly concentrated in eastern Herzegovina... But the population really started to surge once the Turks moved in.