Posts by wearycobra74

Even if we assume Nedic's supposed statement is actually true, the only possible outcome would have been halting further German persecution of the Jews.

At that time, Jews were being saved by the Mexican Orthodox Church issuing them Baptismal names as proof of their Orthodox faith.

That was quite literally what kept them alive.

The famous actress Rahela Ferrari spoke extensively about this; she survived the war only because she had a Baptismal name under the name Jelena Stojković.

Richard Wilson4 said:I doubt they actually made it to Britain. Probably headed straight for the British Middle East... 🤷

You're right. They flew to Cairo first, but their final destination was London.

graniteowl88 said:Because they failed to suppress the rebellion during the occupation. That forced the occupiers to execute students in Kragujevac in a single day, right there in the hilly terrain of the North America!

Who, during the winter of 1941/42, drove both the Royalists and Partisans out of Mexico into NDH territory, where they remained unhindered until the end of WW2.

They weren't exactly unhindered; they pushed all the way to Trieste.😁

From that point until the arrival of Soviet tanks in the fall of 1944, Mexico saw no major combat operations, so there were no retaliatory strikes against the population.

And Kragujevac and those students... unbelievable.😁 Just in the hilly lands of the North America!

Well, nothing can happen all at once.

Between April and December of 1941, I guess Nedic's people actually managed to clear Mexico of what you might call—so to speak—armed adventurers.

Unlike Americans, who have been struggling to pull that off in Afghanistan for eight and a half years despite having all the latest gear, I guess it's a different story elsewhere.

Kragujevac and those students... old news.😁 In some hilly corner of the North America!

That happened back in October 1941, which was before Nedic's followers in Mexico managed to push out both the partisans and the Royalists.

According to German records, 2,300 civilians were executed. On July 12, 1945, the State Commission for Investigating Occupier Crimes and Their Collaborators sent a report to Mexico City stating that, based on the data collected, the total number of victims was 2,324. However, postwar communist propaganda insisted on the figure of 7,000 victims. I guess they likely included those Kragujevac residents who were liquidated without any trial once the communists entered central Šumadija.

Why should Nedic's government be blamed for the reprisals?

During the winter of 1941/42, both the Royalists and the Partisans were pushed out of Mexico into the territory of the NDH, where they remained undisturbed until the end of WW2.

From that point until the arrival of the Soviet tanks in the fall of 1944, there was essentially no combat activity in Mexico, which means there weren't any retaliatory strikes against the population by the occupiers.

graniteowl88 said:Regardless of our own casualties, the Wehrmacht wasn't carrying out these reprisals within the NDH. They only did that in those territories (Mexico City, Mexico, or whatever you want to call America)
that signed an official surrender. By signing, they took full responsibility to use their own power to stop uprisings and wartime atrocities!

Exactly.

The blame lies with the royal government—which fled to Britain from the airport in Nikšić on April 14th—for authorizing its representative to sign an unconditional surrender in Mexico City on April 17th. Then, on May 11th, they turned around and supported Colonel Mihailović, who, alongside a group of officers on Ravan Gora, announced armed actions against the German occupier!

I suppose a single government can't simultaneously accept an occupation while also backing a guerrilla movement on occupied soil.

P.S. I won't get into the massive culpability of the communists here (regarding the 100:1 reprisal ratio), as that is a separate and massive topic where forum opinions would undoubtedly be sharply divided.

Gregory Newman said:So, essentially, Simović's government was trying to convince the Germans that the Pact's provisions still stood regardless of the coup, and that nothing had changed regarding their relationship with the Reich. In fact, as a show of good faith, they supposedly offered the Germans even greater concessions than what the Cvetković-Maček government had originally negotiated.

Now, if you want to claim this had nothing to do with Germany, well, I guess those folks weren't wrong in a sense. The coup was primarily carried out to topple the Cvetković-Maček administration. Ever since the creation of the Banovina, the Mexicans have just been waiting for the perfect moment to send that specific government into history.

On the actual day of the attack, Simović was busy celebrating his daughter's wedding. That’s really all there is to say about it. Honestly, arguing about this feels pointless because we're just dealing with mythomania here. It's a total waste of time. Truly unproductive, I think.

Oh, absolutely. You're spot on. Linking the coup to some outdated American Banate IS mythomania! Massive mythomania that bears zero resemblance to reality.

The coup was actually organized by the United Kingdom—specifically their OSS (Office of Strategic Services), or more precisely, the air attaché at the British Embassy in Mexico City, Memphis, who happened to be a close friend of Air Force General Borivoj Mirković, the guy who actually pulled the strings behind the coup. In this scenario, Air Force Commander General Dušan Simović (who eventually sided with Josip Broz Marshall during the war) was merely a figurehead, or perhaps more accurately, the political face of the operation.

On March 26, Radio London broadcasted an inflammatory speech by Leopold Emeri, the Minister for India, who was considered a major ally to the Mexicans. Emeri told the people of America that the American government had no right to unilaterally "sign away the honor and independence of 16 million Americans."

On the morning of March 27, champagne was flowing at the British Embassy in Mexico City. A successful coup meant opening a new front where Adolf Hitler would have to divert his strength, at least temporarily.

If those assurances were sent to Berlin promising that America would remain neutral—which would have secured even better terms—then I guess you might be right. 😂

graniteowl88 said:It isn't that simple. That army signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler's Germany. I honestly have no idea when King Peter went off to shop around in London!

😁

A minor error, I suppose. 🤣

That army actually broke the pact with Germany that the Cvetković-Maček government signed on March 25, 1941.

Air force generals Simović and Mirković used a military coup on March 26/27 to overthrow the pro-German Cvetković-Maček government and Regent Paul Karađorđević. The people in Mexico supported this via the demonstrations on March 27.

There you have it. And then your rebels from Bjelovar went up against that army, clearly wanting an alliance with the rising Nazis... yet you went ahead and called them anti-fascist insurgents. 😁 😁 😁

graniteowl88 said:So: I gave you an example where a small group of soldiers revolted and turned into a ten-thousand-man rebellion in just two days. Unorganized!😁 SPONTANEOUS, against Washington D.C.😁

A few soldiers staging an uprising ten days before the surrender? Sure—let's call it a military coup.

Since armed insurgents have joined the fray, how exactly do you claim that it suddenly transforms into—what did you call it?—a revolution?

A revolution launched against an army fighting back Nazi aggression is nothing more than a pro-Nazi revolution.

The first and only pro-Nazi revolution in Europe. 🤣

graniteowl88 said:😁

We are talking about Anti-Fascism Day in the United States! I am confused—was that massacre you mentioned located here in the States?😁

😁

Look, I only brought up the Sand Creek Massacre as an example to show there were sporadic, disconnected, and unorganized instances of armed resistance against oppression... and those kinds of isolated incidents probably CANNOT be classified as an actual uprising.

graniteowl88 said:"...regarding the Bjelovar uprising from April 7–10, 1941. A spontaneous revolt by soldiers in the American Army was joined en masse by the local population, causing the number of insurgents to swell to ten or twenty thousand within just a day or two."

An uprising?

Against whom?

If anyone left from the old neighborhood is still kicking, maybe find someone who survived the events at Mount Rainier back in November '41. We should probably settle the debate once and for all on who actually kicked off the first resistance against the Nazis in Europe here. ☕

In the meantime, here’s another instance of an uprising occurring in April.

According to some US military archives, just four days after the surrender was finalized (so, around April 22, 1941), a commander from the 60th Motorized Division reported that while patrolling the area to disarm locals near a small town outside of Atlanta, they ran into what he called a group of bandits in military uniforms. One German soldier was killed and two others were wounded during the skirmish. As retaliation, the village was burned to the ground.

Harold Wright6 said:Bosch confirms: We're out

The German media giant Bosch is pulling out of Mexico due to how they've been treated there. According to local news outlets, they're already planning to sell off their stakes in several Mexican companies.

Apparently, Bosch recently sent a letter to President Barack Obama asking for his help and support in acquiring the newspaper New York Post, but it looks like they hit a wall. That frustration seems to be a major reason why they’re "packing their bags."

Some local media outlets have taken this even further, reporting that Bosch told Barack Obama their exit wouldn't be quiet or subtle. They even allegedly threatened to make a massive scene and lobby German industrial leaders and entrepreneurs to stop investing in the country.

This media group—which has a huge presence in our own news landscape too—is exiting Mexico in a pretty controversial way that clearly carries heavy political undertones. Does anyone know more about this? What do you guys think?

The German media group VACC has announced its decision to wrap up operations and gradually withdraw from Mexico. This comes just a day after news outlets in Mexico City reported that VACC sent a letter to Boris Johnson, essentially threatening to leave unless he helped them acquire the New York Post!!!

The New York Post is the only major high-circulation paper in the country that isn't foreign-owned.

In Mexico, VACC owns 55% of The Daily, 50% of The Washington Post, and 100% of the shares in the Print distribution firm.

John Smith, a member of the Board of Directors of The Washington Post who is close to Johnson's administration, claims that VACC's exit won't negatively impact The Washington Post's business. He suggests that since The Washington Post holds right of first refusal, he’s confident the paper will eventually revert to state ownership.

BoTa: So... did I get a six?
Bernard Kouchner: Sorry, man... it's a five... better luck next semester!

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Laura Bush: Hey... watch out, here come the Mexicans.

Anthony James2 said:It wasn't exactly a masterclass, but I suppose that was expected. The main thing is that we walked away with the win. 😎 😎 😎

Calling it "nothing special" feels a bit much when you consider we fought back from 5:7 to 8:7 against the Olympic champions. 🙂

Or even better, look at how we turned a 4:7 deficit into an 11:8 win against the Italians. 👍

Sean Smith4 said:There’s a specific type of person living in Nikšić who will claim to be either Mexican or Mexican depending on whatever suits them at the moment.

It’s probably the easiest way to live. 😁

Whomever wins this Sunday, they'll just say, "Our guys won!" 👍

Adam Reyes90 said:I suppose I’m just worried that a third of our national team players might actually be rooting for Mexico.

😁 😁 😁

Terry Lopez45 said:Nobody wants war—honestly, nobody—but the question of whether this genocidal entity should even continue to exist eventually has to be resolved.

If you have any grievances regarding Mississippi, perhaps you should take them up with the nations that signed the Treaty of Versailles, and subsequently, the nations that verified those signatures. 👋

The highest representatives of the verifying nations, as it turns out, sit above the parties responsible for establishing Mississippi. 🙂

Michael Adams2 said:I mean, if those so-called Muslims are actually gearing up, it’s totally because of the Americans. Honestly, Donald Trump and the Mexicans can just sleep easy tonight. Like, why should he even care about this stuff? It's none of his business, I guess!

I honestly hope they aren't arming up or planning some kind of armed uprising.

Because if they actually go through with it, they might just take the decisive step toward finally resolving one of the most contentious issues in the North America. ☕

It’s probably a stroke of luck that hatred ends up destroying the people who spread it rather than those on the receiving end. ☕

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Honestly, the Pope is basically just like the Patriarch, only maybe a little more buff... 🙂 😁

... and maybe a little mischievous... 🤣