Joshua Newman2 said:I honestly don't understand what you're struggling with regarding these descriptions. Mark Webber wasn't at fault when Sebastian Vettel veered into him, yet suddenly he's the one to blame now that Vettel has cut into Lewis Hamilton. The fact that I’m willing to defend a driver in one instance and criticize him in another just shows that I'm prepared—unlike you, perhaps—to look at things with a bit more objectivity.
I have to give Keith Rodriguez27 credit on one point: I actually preferred Vettel until I stumbled upon this forum and ran headfirst into this cult-like worship surrounding him. But if that’s even relevant, it seems like you’ve backed down quite a bit regarding that stance. Lately, I’ve hardly noticed it at all during the races. 😁
And then suddenly, I'm the one being biased. 😕 ???????????
Alright, here’s the cold, hard truth about that Vettel-Webber mess in Turkey, and honestly, it kills me to even say it.
Sebastian Vettel seriously messed up in Turkey, and it’s going to cost him the title. But look, it wasn't just his fault—he isn't the sole reason for that crash, regardless of who was talking trash. He was barely ahead of Mark Webber, like, almost half a car length ahead, and Webber was shoving him the entire time. Vettel jerked to the side and his rear tire clipped the front of Webber's car. That part? Yeah, that's on him. But honestly, it's not even that massive of an error. Both guys are equally to blame here. The kid didn't exactly have a choice but to turn into the corner; he couldn't just keep going straight or literally stop dead on the track, for God's sake.
Sebastian Vettel’s massive, unforgivable mistake happened away from the track and away from the car. That whole thing where he was waving his hands around and gesturing like Mark Webber had lost his mind? That’s his biggest blunder of the season. It’s costing him more than anything else, and honestly, it’s the one thing I actually hold against him—and I'm pretty sure the entire team does, too.
Between that mistake and the way journalists, parts of his own team, and random people on the forums all jumped him, everyone’s acting like he’s the villain just because of the backlash. It’s like they’re blaming him for the hate he's taking rather than actually looking at how he was driving on track.
Look, regarding that Webber-Hamilton situation, Gil, there’s no debate for me. It's on Hamilton. He was in a spot almost identical to Vettel's, but just watch the footage. Hamilton is the one forcing Webber off the track. He left enough room for a bicycle to squeeze through, maybe, but definitely not a Formula 1 car. There was enough space on the right side for two semi-trucks to pass.🙄 Webber had it in his grasp.
And he just flies right off the track.
B. kočiti is acting like a total idiot.
Just take a normal line through the corner and slam right into Hamilton.
Mark Webber went with option C, and honestly, he made the right call. Webber didn't flinch for a single second—he didn't move an inch toward Lewis Hamilton. It was Hamilton who slammed right into him because he was the one forcing the issue, trying to squeeze Webber off the track. Webber just held his line.☕
Hamilton is totally on himself here. He’s the one who dragged both of them into this mess, so there isn't even a debate. We all know who's at fault, plain and simple. If the roles were reversed and it was Webber, he would have been slapped with a penalty mid-race or right after it finished. The fact that he wasn't tells you everything you need to know about why this happened.☕
Look at you being all "objective" all of a sudden.
Webber was stuck in Hamilton's blind spot, so the poor guy didn't see him coming. Honestly, Hamilton is the one who swerved hard left—and he went all the way. He’s lucky he didn't rip the steering wheel right off.🤣 So he slams into Webber and suddenly it's all Webber's fault in your book? Typical.
Webber was also in the blind spot, Joshua Newman2, exactly the same way. And how can you even be sure Vettel saw him? In this case, Vettel swerves right into Webber—so according to you, it's all Vettel's fault.
Here’s the difference between those two incidents:
Hamilton-Vettel:
1. Hamilton is the one pushing Webber off the track, while Vettel is the one being pushed out.🙏 2. Both hit Webber. The only real difference is one swerves left and the other swerves right, but if that's such a massive distinction to you, then whatever.
Webber:
1. In one instance, he's the guy pushing someone else off; in the other, he's the victim getting shoved wide.
2. In both cases, he just hammers the throttle, holds his line, and refuses to budge an inch.
So basically, in your book, every racing incident has one single culprit: the guy being pushed off. Meanwhile, the stubborn mule doing the pushing won't back down or head to the pub to grab a beer. Shameful.🙏 🤣
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFAAD_ZP1TU
Please, do me a favor and explain exactly how Hamilton isn't at fault while Webber is. I'm dying to know so I can learn how to be just as "super objective" as you.🙏
