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lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

I’d probably ask him why he’s acting out, what I did wrong while raising him, and what's actually bothering him.
Because if my kid is so messed up that, despite all the obvious facts that Hitler was a monster, he thinks the guy was a genius... then damn, there's a serious underlying issue there.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

😁😁😁 I used to believe in brotherhood, unity, equality, and being on equal footing. And I got burned by a little kid for it. Experience is a nasty thing.🤷 🙂

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

Of course; I mentioned before that I don't want it to seem like I'm completely blacklisting entire groups. They all follow the same psychological laws, but the stimuli they receive vary based on the source and the original idea, so the resulting behavior will obviously differ.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

I guess I do.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

Maybe you're just immature.
lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

I think you misunderstood me, and I’m saying this for the eight-hundredth time. Actually, what's worse is that we seem to agree on this way of thinking. I don't care if you have a PhD or some degree verifying your status; if you're shady, dishonest, or just a jerk, I'm inclined to despise you as a person, regardless of how famous an expert you are in your field. On the flip side, you have people who have zero interest in reading books and prefer working in the fields, yet they've mastered basic principles—they're honest, good people, fair, and stick to their word. That counts for something, regardless of whether they're the next Einstein (to caricature). Actions reveal the truth; basically, you are defined objectively by how you live.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

Well, if that's how you feel. I'm just trying to explain that it doesn't work like that—you read five sentences, convince yourself you fit the description, and then get all worked up thinking, "Oh, I have this specific disorder." It's probably just nonsense.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

Just one question, do you even pay taxes to the government or...?

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

hm, yeah. I guess a qualitative assessment of good versus bad (evil) has to exist if society is actually going to function. But then we’d have to discuss what kind of society we're talking about and the specific mechanisms and principles driving it. If you think religious influence on people is tiny or insignificant, okay. You might be right regarding the raw data they provide, since today's society is essentially an information-based one. They rely on a hundred different recycled dogmas, but the public—which is just a collection of individuals, and those individuals were raised under the passive aggression of a god—is a reflection of the individual. So, in my conclusion, damn it, the public is under the influence of religion.
Because look, take communism for example—I'm using it as a case study because its core idea was strong social equality, meaning social rights should ultimately be equal. It failed catastrophically here because what it was aiming for didn't align with the fundamental spirit of the people. Religion is baked into the spirit of this nation, and it works.

lonegardener said:What would you actually do if your child became a sympathizer of a Nazi regime, for example? Don't get me wrong—I'm not trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Nazis here. It's strictly about your own feelings and your stance. Could you truly love a son who was obsessed with Hitler? To make things even more interesting, let's say he isn't doing anything terrible. He isn't out there fighting people, stealing, or bullying anyone (and certainly nothing worse). He just hangs pictures of Hitler on his wall and talks about how he was a fantastic man with perfectly righteous views. 😬

How would you react?

I refuse to ever take that kind of stance—that "us versus them" mentality where one group is "elite" and the other is "scum." Honestly, that's probably because of the Nationalist Party. For me, it's not enough to just be part of an elite; I want the elite to be beneath me. 🤣

Can that also be applied to something like a Love Parade or massive pop/rock concerts? Like Woodstock, for example? Since we're discussing the psychology of large crowds and losing inhibitions...

I don't know a single person whose behavior is truly consistent. To be honest, I can't even say the same for myself. My own actions are incredibly inconsistent, and there are times when I feel completely irrational.
When it comes to intelligence and the inherent differences between people, you’re making a mistake if you think that observation is strictly objective. It’s an undeniable fact that some individuals are more intellectually advanced than others. But why dwell on that gap? Even if you consider yourself intellectually superior to your most primitive neighbor, the distance between you and him is still microscopic compared to the massive divide between him and the next smartest animal on Earth. So, why focus on our differences when we should be looking at our similarities?
Aren't you making the Same Type of mistake made by those who hate, despise, or look down on someone based solely on their nationality, religion, or skin color? You might argue that intelligence is far more significant than any of those factors—and you might even be right—but the logical analogy remains just as valid. To him, it matters more that one person lives on the left side of the Mississippi while the other lives on the right, rather than the simple fact that they are both human beings. To you, it matters more that one is an intellectual and the other is a bumpkin. 😬It’s not about that, really—it’s simply because they are both human beings.

"Quote:"

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Here, take a look at this Wikipedia entry:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a complex issue that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. While people frequently throw the term around to describe anyone acting selfishly, true NPD is a deep-seated psychological pattern involving a pervasive need for admiration and a profound lack of empathy. It’s more than just being "full of yourself"; it's a fundamental struggle with identity and how one relates to the world. Understanding the distinction between simple ego and a clinical disorder is crucial for anyone trying to navigate these difficult dynamics.
He carries himself with a massive sense of self-importance.
The second sign is often lost in a dream world, constantly chasing visions of limitless success, absolute power, or some kind of flawless, idealized love.
They truly believe they’re one of a kind—some sort of rare breed that only their own "special" circle could ever hope to understand.
4. demands far too much praise.
5. A deep sense of entitlement.
6. They'll step over anyone just to get what they want.
7. A total lack of empathy.
Number eight on the list is that tendency to live in a state of constant envy—or, just as frequently, the assumption that everyone else is looking at you with envy. It’s a bit of a cycle, isn't it? Whether they're coveting what someone else has or convinced that their own success has made them a target for jealousy, it creates this restless, defensive mindset.
9. Arrogance.

Antisocial personality disorder is a complex diagnosis that often gets misunderstood in casual conversation. It isn't just about being "rebellious" or having a bit of an attitude; it’s a deep-seated pattern of disregarding the rights of others and failing to conform to social norms. When we talk about this, we have to look past the Hollywood stereotypes and focus on the clinical reality of how these individuals interact with the world around them.
It’s basically when someone just refuses to play by the rules. They repeatedly engage in behavior that's clearly against the law, essentially showing a total disregard for social norms through actions that would get anyone else arrested on the spot.
Deceitfulness—whether it’s through constant lying, hiding behind fake identities, or running scams just to line your pockets or satisfy an ego—is a serious issue. It’s more than just being dishonest; it's about intentional manipulation for personal gain.
3. Impulsivity, or simply failing to look before you leap.
4. Irritability and aggression, specifically when it manifests through frequent physical altercations or assaults.
5. Reckless disregard for the safety of oneself or others.
It really comes down to a pattern of consistent irresponsibility—the kind that shows up when someone repeatedly fails to maintain a steady work ethic or simply refuses to honor their financial commitments.
7. A total lack of remorse. This shows up when someone is completely indifferent to the pain they've caused, or worse, they start making excuses for why hurting, mistreating, or stealing from someone else was actually justified.

Do you feel like none of this actually describes you? Personally, I can only see myself in maybe two or three points of the first one, and maybe three or four of the second. 🤷

"Quote:"

What exactly are they doing? And do you actually know how? Is this based on actual field research, or are you just taking someone else's word for it? Honestly, if you could point to specific sources to back up what you claim to know, that would be one thing. But I suspect you can’t quite do that—feel free to correct me if I'm wrong—you just "know," without being able to explain how. Here is my take: if I can't pinpoint exactly where a piece of information comes from, I don't consider it knowledge. Period. I need to know precisely what I am leaning on at any given moment. Who am I implicitly trusting just to keep this supposed "knowledge" standing? It matters, because in this day and age, it is incredibly easy to mistake a lie for the truth.

Furthermore, what kind of authority does the church actually hold? Personally, I don't see any at all. You claim that such authority doesn't belong to them, and honestly, I’d agree—if you could just tell me who that authority *does* belong to. Is it politicians? Psychiatrists? Wealthy merchants? Judges? Lawyers? Most of those people are capable of exerting a far more direct influence on my life than any religious institution ever could. Can you give me one practical example of what would actually be different in your life if this unearned clerical authority didn't exist?

"Quote:"
Angela Rogers2 Asks:
You take an average, mindless follower and plant a seed of opinion in their head. From there, they just run with it, fueled by that typical small-town, barroom logic. Before you know it, they’re raising their own kids under a heavy blanket of passive-aggression, disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. To be honest, it disturbs me—at least to the extent that I still have to participate in this society. I won't even get started on the damage done by creationists, cults, or radical religious movements. Religion, quite frankly, does a massive amount of evil in this world.
Let’s be honest: a lot of "evil" has been done under the wing of religion. I put "evil" in quotes because, frankly, I’m not even sure what defines it anymore. One thing that really bugs me about organized religion is how easily people label things as "evil," as if they're just discussing onions and water. If we throw that word around so carelessly, what’s even the point of using it? That part isn't up for debate. But look at the reality today—even in highly religious nations, you see things happening that most of the West moved past centuries ago.
If I were living in Baghdad, maybe all this would bother me. But since religion has zero impact on my day-to-day life, I honestly couldn't care less about the topic. What actually concerns me are situations like yours and Tanya's. It’s wild when someone gets so obsessed with religious debates that they fail to see how those institutions lost their grip on American society ages ago, leaving other structures to take the lead.

See, I’m not quite that much of an optimist. Based on certain things I've seen, I feel like if today's religious structures were to disappear, new mechanisms would simply emerge to keep the masses in line. Take popular Hollywood teen dramas, for example. If you watch all the trending shows, you quickly learn what you can and cannot say or even think; you learn which behaviors are acceptable and which will push you to the fringes of society. It's a very effective way of socializing people.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded tangent. We totally veered off track. Let me try to get back to the point: no, I don't believe psychology can do all that much to help with men-and-women relationships. 😁 Then again, since I haven't tested that theory personally, who knows? I might be wrong.

Regarding TV, you're totally and completely right there. It turns people into absolute idiots. I agree. But nowadays, selection plays a key role because there's such a massive variety of behavioral models (and opinions on them) available. Through the multimedia world—from newspapers and TV to radio and finally this all-encompassing internet—we are faced every single day with a mountain of information. We process it, select what's relevant to us, and then either adopt it or discard it as invalid.
And it’s a process that is incredibly fast, at least in terms of intensity and scope. What I actually like about this whole thing is that criticism is possible; it's possible to verify things and look at them from a completely different angle. You're constantly given that opportunity. You're always playing this passive-active role. Personally, I value criticism quite a bit.
Chloe Barnes8 said:Anyway, Jane, while I totally get where you're coming from regarding crowd psychology—especially how people tend to act around here—I feel like you're being a little less than tolerant this time around...

So, I was just sitting here thinking... if someone is an atheist, does that actually make them a better person morally? Or maybe just smarter than someone who believes in God? Just a random thought crossing my mind.

Is it really necessary to assume that someone who just follows the herd like a mindless sheep—you know, those folks who lack any real conviction—is automatically an enlightened intellectual just because they claim to be an atheist? It’s funny how people label things these days... anyway, just a thought.
I mean, I’m just sitting here thinking... maybe we could all try a little more tolerance around here? Like, if nobody is out for blood against the atheists, then let's not go after the folks who actually have faith, either. It just doesn't feel right. It feels a bit unhuman, honestly. And definitely doesn't sit well with democratic values or even just basic American politeness. Just a thought.

Who are we actually to judge someone else's core beliefs? Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking about it... like, who am I to play judge and jury over what makes someone tick? It's kind of wild when you really stop to consider it. Everyone's got their own thing going on, right? Just a random thought that popped into my head while I was grabbing coffee earlier. Anyway, just wondering.

Fine. It’s not really my job to be.

Chloe Barnes8 said:Anyway, Jane, while I totally get where you're coming from regarding crowd psychology—especially how people tend to act around here—I feel like you're being a little less than tolerant this time around...

So, I was just sitting here thinking... if someone is an atheist, does that actually make them a better person morally? Or maybe just smarter than someone who believes in God? Just a random thought crossing my mind.

Is it really necessary to assume that someone who just follows the herd like a mindless sheep—you know, those folks who lack any real conviction—is automatically an enlightened intellectual just because they claim to be an atheist? It’s funny how people label things these days... anyway, just a thought.
I mean, I’m just sitting here thinking... maybe we could all try a little more tolerance around here? Like, if nobody is out for blood against the atheists, then let's not go after the folks who actually have faith, either. It just doesn't feel right. It feels a bit unhuman, honestly. And definitely doesn't sit well with democratic values or even just basic American politeness. Just a thought.

Who are we actually to judge someone else's core beliefs? Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking about it... like, who am I to play judge and jury over what makes someone tick? It's kind of wild when you really stop to consider it. Everyone's got their own thing going on, right? Just a random thought that popped into my head while I was grabbing coffee earlier. Anyway, just wondering.

In most cases, yeah. I can't speak for every single exception, but generally speaking, atheists tend to be far more morally sound than believers.
Chloe Barnes8 said:Anyway, Jane, while I totally get where you're coming from regarding crowd psychology—especially how people tend to act around here—I feel like you're being a little less than tolerant this time around...

So, I was just sitting here thinking... if someone is an atheist, does that actually make them a better person morally? Or maybe just smarter than someone who believes in God? Just a random thought crossing my mind.

Is it really necessary to assume that someone who just follows the herd like a mindless sheep—you know, those folks who lack any real conviction—is automatically an enlightened intellectual just because they claim to be an atheist? It’s funny how people label things these days... anyway, just a thought.
I mean, I’m just sitting here thinking... maybe we could all try a little more tolerance around here? Like, if nobody is out for blood against the atheists, then let's not go after the folks who actually have faith, either. It just doesn't feel right. It feels a bit unhuman, honestly. And definitely doesn't sit well with democratic values or even just basic American politeness. Just a thought.

Who are we actually to judge someone else's core beliefs? Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking about it... like, who am I to play judge and jury over what makes someone tick? It's kind of wild when you really stop to consider it. Everyone's got their own thing going on, right? Just a random thought that popped into my head while I was grabbing coffee earlier. Anyway, just wondering.

Someone who believes is essentially just a sheep.
Chloe Barnes8 said:Anyway, Jane, while I totally get where you're coming from regarding crowd psychology—especially how people tend to act around here—I feel like you're being a little less than tolerant this time around...

So, I was just sitting here thinking... if someone is an atheist, does that actually make them a better person morally? Or maybe just smarter than someone who believes in God? Just a random thought crossing my mind.

Is it really necessary to assume that someone who just follows the herd like a mindless sheep—you know, those folks who lack any real conviction—is automatically an enlightened intellectual just because they claim to be an atheist? It’s funny how people label things these days... anyway, just a thought.
I mean, I’m just sitting here thinking... maybe we could all try a little more tolerance around here? Like, if nobody is out for blood against the atheists, then let's not go after the folks who actually have faith, either. It just doesn't feel right. It feels a bit unhuman, honestly. And definitely doesn't sit well with democratic values or even just basic American politeness. Just a thought.

Who are we actually to judge someone else's core beliefs? Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking about it... like, who am I to play judge and jury over what makes someone tick? It's kind of wild when you really stop to consider it. Everyone's got their own thing going on, right? Just a random thought that popped into my head while I was grabbing coffee earlier. Anyway, just wondering.

Look, while the corrupt figures within the Catholic Church are pocketing taxpayer money, they basically have a free pass on almost everything—especially since they build their entire authority and power on nothing more than someone's imagination. I mean, let's be realistic.
Once we achieve full secularization of the state, maybe then we can talk about democracy, tolerance, and basic decency.
Wherever you live, I’d love to visit; sounds like a real utopia.
Chloe Barnes8 said:Anyway, Jane, while I totally get where you're coming from regarding crowd psychology—especially how people tend to act around here—I feel like you're being a little less than tolerant this time around...

So, I was just sitting here thinking... if someone is an atheist, does that actually make them a better person morally? Or maybe just smarter than someone who believes in God? Just a random thought crossing my mind.

Is it really necessary to assume that someone who just follows the herd like a mindless sheep—you know, those folks who lack any real conviction—is automatically an enlightened intellectual just because they claim to be an atheist? It’s funny how people label things these days... anyway, just a thought.
I mean, I’m just sitting here thinking... maybe we could all try a little more tolerance around here? Like, if nobody is out for blood against the atheists, then let's not go after the folks who actually have faith, either. It just doesn't feel right. It feels a bit unhuman, honestly. And definitely doesn't sit well with democratic values or even just basic American politeness. Just a thought.

Who are we actually to judge someone else's core beliefs? Honestly, I was just sitting here thinking about it... like, who am I to play judge and jury over what makes someone tick? It's kind of wild when you really stop to consider it. Everyone's got their own thing going on, right? Just a random thought that popped into my head while I was grabbing coffee earlier. Anyway, just wondering.

I guess I’m just a fly on the wall here (is that poetic enough for you?)
But seriously, who are you to judge my core beliefs? You’re calling for tolerance toward something that—in my book—barely qualifies as sane.

And sorry again for going off-topic, but just because you started this thread doesn't mean you can drop an opinion in an off-topic section and then expect me to stay quiet just because I'm technically off-topic too. It feels like you're dodging the actual debate by hiding behind the subforum rules.
If you don't like where the conversation is heading, maybe give a heads-up. If that doesn't work, there are moderators available to clean things up or split threads, which honestly probably needs to happen anyway.
I actually find this discussion pretty interesting, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with dating or gender relations.
lonegardener said:Do you really think that matters? Is it actually okay to just write people off like that? Just try to imagine if some kind of superior aliens showed up—and I mean truly superior in every sense, from intelligence and logic to ethics and even physical capability. We’re talking about beings that would make us look like monkeys in comparison. Now, how would you feel if those hypothetical aliens decided to dismiss you in the exact same way as what was written above?

I’m never going to sign off on that. Even though I know for a fact that I’m more intelligent than most people out there, that doesn't mean I'm actually smarter—and it certainly doesn't mean I'm wiser. It’s entirely possible that some of those folks who seem totally hypnotized by this stuff grasp things that I simply can't, despite my "superior intelligence." Honestly, I’ve spent years trying to wrap my head around what "spirituality" even means, and I’ve never managed to get it. So, I see only two logical paths: either I accept that I’m fundamentally broken in that department, or I write off everyone preaching about spirituality as frauds, snake oil salesmen, or, at best, just plain naive. To me, the first option feels like the much cheaper logical bet.

Who exactly do you mean when you say "the majority"? Because honestly, it feels like most people my age share that exact same sentiment—that the masses are just mindless sheep. But where is this majority, anyway? I can't seem to find a single exemplary specimen of that crowd. What would you say are the defining traits of this hypnotized mob? What does a typical opinion from one of them actually look like?

Look, my uncle has been dealing with mental illness for twenty years now. My sister had one psychotic episode that landed her in a psychiatric ward in San Francisco for a few days—thankfully just a short stint. And a close family friend (the son of my late godfather) was diagnosed with schizophrenia; he spent nearly a year at a sanitarium in a Small town, USA. That late godfather was actually a psychiatrist himself. My father is a pathologist who frequently pulls shifts in neuropsychiatry, so he spends plenty of time around patients like those. Long story short, I’m more than acquainted with mental illness and various "disorders." You don't need to sell me on it. 😁

Don't you feel like you're a bit behind the times? What you're saying sounds like a progressive opinion from the 1800s. Nowadays, however, there are other sets of beliefs being imposed even more aggressively than religion, defining the parameters within which you're expected to "conform." For instance, I'm an atheist, yet I don't feel any real pressure from religious institutions (except perhaps from the aggressive ones, though they don't bother me—I find Hezbollah just as distasteful as the US Army). When some priest blathers on about what constitutes a sin, it simply doesn't affect me personally. Why should it? At worst, I hear it once every two weeks, if that. Why would that upset me today? If I were living two hundred years ago, maybe. But on the flip side, I feel certain social pressures today quite intensely; saying it happens "daily" would be an understatement. "Constantly" would be much closer to the truth.

Have you read George Orwell's *1984*? If not, read it—and prepare to weep. 😈

hm. yeah. because they're—trash. I don't know exactly how old you were back in '91, but let's say a friend of mine had to head over to D.C. for a few months so he wouldn't get drafted; his parents' neighbors, who were actually pretty decent, high-profile people, treated them like they were some kind of radical insurgents just because the kid "went to the capital and blah blah blah." Another acquaintance started a spiritual career with the Jehovah's Witnesses in the early '90s; his family kicked him out because they were devout Catholics and he was a "cultist"... you can find so many examples where people start acting like animals because of deep-seated feelings like nationalism, religion, or political ideology. And the saddest part is, it has nothing to do with intellect or social class; the people driven by these (in my opinion, low) passions are often doctors and truck drivers alike.
If some super-alien shows up, well, if it's what you suggested, I won't have anything to complain about. Facts are facts. If we're small, pathetic, and miserable to them, then it's perfectly fine for them to treat us that way.
lonegardener said:Do you really think that matters? Is it actually okay to just write people off like that? Just try to imagine if some kind of superior aliens showed up—and I mean truly superior in every sense, from intelligence and logic to ethics and even physical capability. We’re talking about beings that would make us look like monkeys in comparison. Now, how would you feel if those hypothetical aliens decided to dismiss you in the exact same way as what was written above?

I’m never going to sign off on that. Even though I know for a fact that I’m more intelligent than most people out there, that doesn't mean I'm actually smarter—and it certainly doesn't mean I'm wiser. It’s entirely possible that some of those folks who seem totally hypnotized by this stuff grasp things that I simply can't, despite my "superior intelligence." Honestly, I’ve spent years trying to wrap my head around what "spirituality" even means, and I’ve never managed to get it. So, I see only two logical paths: either I accept that I’m fundamentally broken in that department, or I write off everyone preaching about spirituality as frauds, snake oil salesmen, or, at best, just plain naive. To me, the first option feels like the much cheaper logical bet.

Who exactly do you mean when you say "the majority"? Because honestly, it feels like most people my age share that exact same sentiment—that the masses are just mindless sheep. But where is this majority, anyway? I can't seem to find a single exemplary specimen of that crowd. What would you say are the defining traits of this hypnotized mob? What does a typical opinion from one of them actually look like?

Look, my uncle has been dealing with mental illness for twenty years now. My sister had one psychotic episode that landed her in a psychiatric ward in San Francisco for a few days—thankfully just a short stint. And a close family friend (the son of my late godfather) was diagnosed with schizophrenia; he spent nearly a year at a sanitarium in a Small town, USA. That late godfather was actually a psychiatrist himself. My father is a pathologist who frequently pulls shifts in neuropsychiatry, so he spends plenty of time around patients like those. Long story short, I’m more than acquainted with mental illness and various "disorders." You don't need to sell me on it. 😁

Don't you feel like you're a bit behind the times? What you're saying sounds like a progressive opinion from the 1800s. Nowadays, however, there are other sets of beliefs being imposed even more aggressively than religion, defining the parameters within which you're expected to "conform." For instance, I'm an atheist, yet I don't feel any real pressure from religious institutions (except perhaps from the aggressive ones, though they don't bother me—I find Hezbollah just as distasteful as the US Army). When some priest blathers on about what constitutes a sin, it simply doesn't affect me personally. Why should it? At worst, I hear it once every two weeks, if that. Why would that upset me today? If I were living two hundred years ago, maybe. But on the flip side, I feel certain social pressures today quite intensely; saying it happens "daily" would be an understatement. "Constantly" would be much closer to the truth.

Have you read George Orwell's *1984*? If not, read it—and prepare to weep. 😈

Agree to what, exactly? I don't follow.
It's not a matter of intelligence; it's about common sense, suggestibility, and using the frontal lobe of your brain.

lonegardener said:Do you really think that matters? Is it actually okay to just write people off like that? Just try to imagine if some kind of superior aliens showed up—and I mean truly superior in every sense, from intelligence and logic to ethics and even physical capability. We’re talking about beings that would make us look like monkeys in comparison. Now, how would you feel if those hypothetical aliens decided to dismiss you in the exact same way as what was written above?

I’m never going to sign off on that. Even though I know for a fact that I’m more intelligent than most people out there, that doesn't mean I'm actually smarter—and it certainly doesn't mean I'm wiser. It’s entirely possible that some of those folks who seem totally hypnotized by this stuff grasp things that I simply can't, despite my "superior intelligence." Honestly, I’ve spent years trying to wrap my head around what "spirituality" even means, and I’ve never managed to get it. So, I see only two logical paths: either I accept that I’m fundamentally broken in that department, or I write off everyone preaching about spirituality as frauds, snake oil salesmen, or, at best, just plain naive. To me, the first option feels like the much cheaper logical bet.

Who exactly do you mean when you say "the majority"? Because honestly, it feels like most people my age share that exact same sentiment—that the masses are just mindless sheep. But where is this majority, anyway? I can't seem to find a single exemplary specimen of that crowd. What would you say are the defining traits of this hypnotized mob? What does a typical opinion from one of them actually look like?

Look, my uncle has been dealing with mental illness for twenty years now. My sister had one psychotic episode that landed her in a psychiatric ward in San Francisco for a few days—thankfully just a short stint. And a close family friend (the son of my late godfather) was diagnosed with schizophrenia; he spent nearly a year at a sanitarium in a Small town, USA. That late godfather was actually a psychiatrist himself. My father is a pathologist who frequently pulls shifts in neuropsychiatry, so he spends plenty of time around patients like those. Long story short, I’m more than acquainted with mental illness and various "disorders." You don't need to sell me on it. 😁

Don't you feel like you're a bit behind the times? What you're saying sounds like a progressive opinion from the 1800s. Nowadays, however, there are other sets of beliefs being imposed even more aggressively than religion, defining the parameters within which you're expected to "conform." For instance, I'm an atheist, yet I don't feel any real pressure from religious institutions (except perhaps from the aggressive ones, though they don't bother me—I find Hezbollah just as distasteful as the US Army). When some priest blathers on about what constitutes a sin, it simply doesn't affect me personally. Why should it? At worst, I hear it once every two weeks, if that. Why would that upset me today? If I were living two hundred years ago, maybe. But on the flip side, I feel certain social pressures today quite intensely; saying it happens "daily" would be an understatement. "Constantly" would be much closer to the truth.

Have you read George Orwell's *1984*? If not, read it—and prepare to weep. 😈

Opinions don't really carry much weight, mostly because people are experts at lying to themselves and rationalizing their own nonsense. Actions are what actually tell the truth, so behavior is the only thing that really matters. It’s the only honest metric for a person's quality and the life they’re actually leading. As for that hypnotic state you see within a mob, I guess there are a few key traits. First, an individual inside a crowd gets this sense of overwhelming power, which basically gives them a free pass to surrender to impulses they’d normally keep under control—you know, the typical "us versus them" mentality, or those sweeping generalizations about certain groups of people being inferior or whatever. You can apply that same logic to religion or political ideologies, too. Second, there’s the contagion factor. Every single action and emotion creates a sort of collective orientation, often leading an individual to sacrifice their own interests just to serve the herd. That goes against basic human nature, or at least how most people act when they aren't being swept up. And then, of course, there's suggestibility. I suppose you could conclude that the majority is almost always intellectually inferior to the individual. I don't want to sound entirely negative, since humans are social creatures and we all belong to some kind of group, but given how these groups orient themselves, their characteristics can be incredibly destructive. No matter how many lofty moral ideals a mob claims to stand for, their actual behavior rarely lives up to the rhetoric.
lonegardener said:Do you really think that matters? Is it actually okay to just write people off like that? Just try to imagine if some kind of superior aliens showed up—and I mean truly superior in every sense, from intelligence and logic to ethics and even physical capability. We’re talking about beings that would make us look like monkeys in comparison. Now, how would you feel if those hypothetical aliens decided to dismiss you in the exact same way as what was written above?

I’m never going to sign off on that. Even though I know for a fact that I’m more intelligent than most people out there, that doesn't mean I'm actually smarter—and it certainly doesn't mean I'm wiser. It’s entirely possible that some of those folks who seem totally hypnotized by this stuff grasp things that I simply can't, despite my "superior intelligence." Honestly, I’ve spent years trying to wrap my head around what "spirituality" even means, and I’ve never managed to get it. So, I see only two logical paths: either I accept that I’m fundamentally broken in that department, or I write off everyone preaching about spirituality as frauds, snake oil salesmen, or, at best, just plain naive. To me, the first option feels like the much cheaper logical bet.

Who exactly do you mean when you say "the majority"? Because honestly, it feels like most people my age share that exact same sentiment—that the masses are just mindless sheep. But where is this majority, anyway? I can't seem to find a single exemplary specimen of that crowd. What would you say are the defining traits of this hypnotized mob? What does a typical opinion from one of them actually look like?

Look, my uncle has been dealing with mental illness for twenty years now. My sister had one psychotic episode that landed her in a psychiatric ward in San Francisco for a few days—thankfully just a short stint. And a close family friend (the son of my late godfather) was diagnosed with schizophrenia; he spent nearly a year at a sanitarium in a Small town, USA. That late godfather was actually a psychiatrist himself. My father is a pathologist who frequently pulls shifts in neuropsychiatry, so he spends plenty of time around patients like those. Long story short, I’m more than acquainted with mental illness and various "disorders." You don't need to sell me on it. 😁

Don't you feel like you're a bit behind the times? What you're saying sounds like a progressive opinion from the 1800s. Nowadays, however, there are other sets of beliefs being imposed even more aggressively than religion, defining the parameters within which you're expected to "conform." For instance, I'm an atheist, yet I don't feel any real pressure from religious institutions (except perhaps from the aggressive ones, though they don't bother me—I find Hezbollah just as distasteful as the US Army). When some priest blathers on about what constitutes a sin, it simply doesn't affect me personally. Why should it? At worst, I hear it once every two weeks, if that. Why would that upset me today? If I were living two hundred years ago, maybe. But on the flip side, I feel certain social pressures today quite intensely; saying it happens "daily" would be an understatement. "Constantly" would be much closer to the truth.

Have you read George Orwell's *1984*? If not, read it—and prepare to weep. 😈

So, I don't really get why everyone's getting so worked up about this. I mean, isn't it pretty obvious that anyone could see themselves in something like Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline? Maybe you just aren't grasping what's being said here, or maybe you're just skimming the surface.

lonegardener said:Do you really think that matters? Is it actually okay to just write people off like that? Just try to imagine if some kind of superior aliens showed up—and I mean truly superior in every sense, from intelligence and logic to ethics and even physical capability. We’re talking about beings that would make us look like monkeys in comparison. Now, how would you feel if those hypothetical aliens decided to dismiss you in the exact same way as what was written above?

I’m never going to sign off on that. Even though I know for a fact that I’m more intelligent than most people out there, that doesn't mean I'm actually smarter—and it certainly doesn't mean I'm wiser. It’s entirely possible that some of those folks who seem totally hypnotized by this stuff grasp things that I simply can't, despite my "superior intelligence." Honestly, I’ve spent years trying to wrap my head around what "spirituality" even means, and I’ve never managed to get it. So, I see only two logical paths: either I accept that I’m fundamentally broken in that department, or I write off everyone preaching about spirituality as frauds, snake oil salesmen, or, at best, just plain naive. To me, the first option feels like the much cheaper logical bet.

Who exactly do you mean when you say "the majority"? Because honestly, it feels like most people my age share that exact same sentiment—that the masses are just mindless sheep. But where is this majority, anyway? I can't seem to find a single exemplary specimen of that crowd. What would you say are the defining traits of this hypnotized mob? What does a typical opinion from one of them actually look like?

Look, my uncle has been dealing with mental illness for twenty years now. My sister had one psychotic episode that landed her in a psychiatric ward in San Francisco for a few days—thankfully just a short stint. And a close family friend (the son of my late godfather) was diagnosed with schizophrenia; he spent nearly a year at a sanitarium in a Small town, USA. That late godfather was actually a psychiatrist himself. My father is a pathologist who frequently pulls shifts in neuropsychiatry, so he spends plenty of time around patients like those. Long story short, I’m more than acquainted with mental illness and various "disorders." You don't need to sell me on it. 😁

Don't you feel like you're a bit behind the times? What you're saying sounds like a progressive opinion from the 1800s. Nowadays, however, there are other sets of beliefs being imposed even more aggressively than religion, defining the parameters within which you're expected to "conform." For instance, I'm an atheist, yet I don't feel any real pressure from religious institutions (except perhaps from the aggressive ones, though they don't bother me—I find Hezbollah just as distasteful as the US Army). When some priest blathers on about what constitutes a sin, it simply doesn't affect me personally. Why should it? At worst, I hear it once every two weeks, if that. Why would that upset me today? If I were living two hundred years ago, maybe. But on the flip side, I feel certain social pressures today quite intensely; saying it happens "daily" would be an understatement. "Constantly" would be much closer to the truth.

Have you read George Orwell's *1984*? If not, read it—and prepare to weep. 😈

I keep saying this, but it isn't about what you say; it's about what you actually do. For instance, if you claim to be an atheist and don't care what some priest says, fine, I don't either. But the issue here is our country; the church still wields an authority it simply shouldn't have, and it shouldn't be exploiting its 24/7 direct line to God for its own interests, yet that's exactly what's happening.
It isn't even that radical—we aren't living in the 1800s—but it happens through small steps, like subtle sermons and whatnot. They plant an opinion in the head of the average person, who then just repeats it in some casual, bar-room logic. Tomorrow, they'll raise their kid under the guise of passive aggression disguised as God, karma, angels, or demons. And yeah, I guess I could say that disturbs me, to a certain extent, depending on how much I feel like participating in this society. I won't even get into what creationists and cults are up to, or what Islam does... religion definitely causes a lot of harm, but whatever someone cursed two hundred years ago doesn't change the facts today.
We've had two centuries of technological progress to end up sitting in front of computers talking to each other, but when it comes to how the average person actually behaves, very little has really changed.
I think I get what you're getting at with Orwell. And yeah, I've read him; Animal Farm actually stuck with me a bit more, but that's beside the point.
And of course, I'm aware of all that, and it's not a small thing. I used to write about religion—about how it limits the individual, intruding on privacy and freedom through various norms, regulations, and laws. You end up feeling sanctioned from every direction.
But on the flip side, criticism, discussion, and analysis of any social, political, or sociological event are allowed. That's how dogmatic, sweeping opinions and beliefs eventually fade away (slowly, but hopefully in the long run), which is good. In the long term, people shouldn't rely on the prestige of some ideology, religion, or social structure, but rather on what they can actually see happening right in front of them.
That's my somewhat optimistic take, anyway, though the masses remain a problematic bunch.
So, if 1984 actually happens, don't ask why.

And sorry for the long off-topic rant. 🙂
lonegardener said:It’s like that old saying: when everyone starts jumping on the bandwagon, everyone else follows suit just to stay in the loop. 😂

How can it claim to be an exact science when it deals with something that collective human knowledge simply DOES NOT UNDERSTAND?

I don't claim to know how the human psyche works either; however, I know just enough to conclude that nobody truly does. At least, not with that level of certainty engineers have when they explain how semiconductors work. Now, semiconductors are incredibly complex, but compared to the human brain, they are practically trivial. Essentially, psychology boils down to an "educated guess." It isn't totally blind, since it relies on data and research—mostly statistical—but we all know how that goes; lies, blatant lies, and if you want to get technical, statistics 😈. But because the system being studied is hopelessly overcomplicated, even that "educated guess" can sometimes yield results worse than a total shot in the dark.

Because of that, I value official psychology only slightly more than highly skilled amateur intuition. An intelligent person with deep empathy and significant life experience can "read" someone just as successfully as a "trained professional." Granted, "reading" someone is much easier than "treating" them—though psychiatrists aren't exactly winning any awards when it comes to treatment, either. For instance, my uncle has been struggling with mental illness for twenty years. All his doctors seem to know how to do is pump him full of pills just enough so he isn't a danger to himself or others. In doing so, they've effectively turned him into a zombie. It reminds me of that old medical adage: the surgery was a success, but the patient died.

I bet cocaine nights would have plenty to add to this now, but... anyway.
Collective human knowledge is really just the knowledge of the herd. As a herd, people always exist at a lower level of mental capacity, and they need a few shepherds to guide them through life for their own psychological stability. Depending on the historical-cultural spirit of an area and how the herd is grouped, those shepherds will always play a few specific cards:
1. religion
2. nationality
3. some other characteristic that is unquestionable and deeply ingrained in that group, like a political ideology.
A good shepherd has to be a good psychologist too.
And that's just how it is; no matter which part of the world you pick a mass of people from, this works, and it also works for predicting how that herd will behave based on their culture. There are mechanisms in place, and that's just reality.
The factor you have to include in everything is multimedia. The media is one tool for manipulating the herd, and by carefully dosing semi-information, sensationalist gossip, and tragedies, it creates a collective consciousness within the herd directed toward a specific goal.
You seem like an okay guy and not stupid, so you might instinctively reject what I'm writing because society and its mechanisms don't act on you in this described way, but try to understand that most people are below your average—they're hypnotized cattle.

As for what you wrote about the DSM, like personality disorders—a bunch of people react in certain ways, and yeah, I act like that sometimes too, recognizing myself in a few criteria. But the thing is, that isn't your classic behavior; it doesn't threaten your existence and it doesn't show up cyclically and repeatedly under different triggers. Unfortunately, I have personal experience with BPD and antisocial personality disorder, and in the actual lives of these individuals, there is very palpable behavior that stems directly from the disorder and plays out exactly as the textbooks describe. It sounds too fantastic to be true, but that's just how it is.

Oh, and I should probably mention my thoughts on the soul—or rather, the whole God/divine concept. Personally, I find the whole thing totally unfounded, unproven, and frankly, unnecessary. It’s something society should probably just collectively move past. I know, I know, call me a dreamer if you want, but I have no issue saying it, writing it, or standing by it. Generally speaking, I think religion has done more harm than good to our intellectual evolution. It feels useful to just let it go. Modern Americans aren't out there shivering in the mud, naked and starving; our existence is pretty much secured now. There’s really no need to be bossed around or "trained" by some divine authority figure anymore.
I mean, if you have to repeat something twenty-three times before someone actually starts questioning whether it's true... well, why not? I might as well say it a few more times. Besides, this entire collection of beliefs called "God" is basically just something that was forced upon us in the first place.
Good grief, first I find out the soul actually exists, and now I'm being told my destiny, my deepest secrets, and dear Maggie are all just a bunch of plain old lies.😳 If you tell me that everything Joan Rivers writes is made up too, I might actually kill myself—no joke, I’ll probably just end up doing it with a spoon.😲

@mistyharbor15, I'm guessing she was talking about emotional or energetic vampirism—you know, the whole psychological manipulation thing, just messing with someone's head. It's that mix of rationalization and passive aggression where they assume that because they're doing things you don't like, they can just brush it off by saying it's "out of love" or "for your own good." You hear that kind of nonsense from those types of vampires all the time...

Oh, and who exactly is this Dr. Phil guy? I've overheard people mentioning him a couple of times, but I honestly have no clue who he is or why he's such a big deal.
I mean, how can you say it doesn't exist?
😉What are you even talking about, Chloe Barnes8? Stop embarrassing yourself. 😁
What do you mean, "soul"? What are you even talking about? I guess you shouldn't let people play you for a fool or try to brainwash you like that. A soul isn't a thing. It's just mental manipulation, really.
It’s honestly pretty grim how certain groups weaponize psychology just to fuel their criminal operations under the guise of being religious communities.
I actually got chills just thinking about it. brrrrrrrrrrr
Sandra Parker3 said:Just find someone who actually gets you and someone you can actually talk to.
There’s honestly no better therapist than that... 🙂

I guess that's true. Whether we like it or not, we all end up acting like each other's therapists. I suppose how much of a good friend you are—and whether your advice is actually useful—is basically what makes you a decent therapist.

@everyone - I have absolutely no clue who this Vasilija person is; I've never heard of that fish in my life.
God, that color is just aggressively loud (she’s giving off major Shrek vibes 😁😁😁😁)
haha🤣 🤣
I’m just playing Silver Surfer. As for anything else, I honestly couldn't care less 😎 😁
Go ahead and rationalize it yourselves...
I'm with Amanda Ramirez69 on this one.
Honestly, nobody can really fix this. You need shows like *Everybody Loves Raymond*—something where you can actually observe how people navigate marriage. Because if you're acting the way you are, I guess even Freud couldn't help you at this point. 😁😁😁

Maybe some marriage counselors can help out when it comes to minor disagreements, but I always end up saying the same thing: a person's character is pretty much their destiny. So, if we're talking about a hardcore, deep-seated issue... 🤷
heheheh Sandra Parker3
Rationalization is basically just when you hunt for an excuse for something you did mostly on instinct, trying to justify it to yourself first and then to everyone else later.
And let's be real, the most common rationalization is when you're being a total jerk to someone and then claim, "I'm doing this for your own good." 😉 😁

We're essentially pack animals, and all those evolutionary factors have shaped us so that we can't really function without each other.

Now, it all depends on what pulls you in. Personally, I find muscular meatheads pretty gross. I was just watching Big Brother earlier, and Steve is absolutely unattractive and just an unpleasant guy to watch. I'm sure some woman out there looks at him and sees a literal Apollo. We humans have gotten really good at honing our specific "tools." For instance, one person might be charmed by someone with a great ear for music, another by a math whiz, someone else by a fashionista, or maybe a coin collector... but all of that is just displaying some kind of genetic blueprint—a specific skill set that you find attractive because you want to experience it or maybe pass it down to your kids.
There are so many different factors playing a huge role in why two people are attracted to each other.
I don't personally buy into the whole pheromone thing; unless someone can actually provide a solid, evidence-based argument for how they work, I'll probably just take it with a grain of salt. 🤷
Christian Wells6 said:I find myself in agreement there. However, we are discussing romantic dynamics between partners here, rather than the relationship between a mother and her child. In that specific context, the man essentially steps outside of the primary emotional loop to occupy a different role entirely.🤷

Thanks, I think I’ll go hunting for that book.

Seriously, Taylor, make the connection—if you can tell what a kid needs just by hearing them cry, you can definitely pick up on the subtle cues from another adult.

@nimblepilot29, this isn't some bot, it's Silver Surfer😠 😛 honestly, the more I read about this, the harder it gets to draw a line. I guess what I mean is, do we start individually with our genes? Like, you get certain biological material from your parents—these predispositions—and then you factor in the environment, which determines if you actually lean into those skills or not. That's one side: genes shaping personality. Then there's genetically inherited behavior, like facial expressions or body language, which applies to everyone whether they were born in China or the US. Third, there's the genetic capacity for thought, action, language, and so on... though culture and geography start mixing in there. Still, there are patterns found in any culture, despite the differences; tendencies toward religion, morality, governance, and power exist everywhere. There are fundamental beliefs that persist in a region for centuries, practically programming people to think a certain way. When those core beliefs start getting questioned or devalued, that's when you see societal decadence.
Another thing I wanted to mention is that, for the most part, people still act mostly on instinct, driven by passion and irrationality—especially if you look at a specific social class or a group that could be described as a mob. It doesn't matter if they're homogeneous or heterogeneous; their actions are often impulsive and irrational, maybe just less rational than an isolated individual would be. To understand these aspects of human life and development, we really have to dive into genetics to figure out how things evolved, why it happened, and how it affects the individual and, eventually, society as a whole. Genetics is capable of determining and explaining quite a bit of that. 🙂

This post is a total off-topic mess, but since I don't want it deleted, here's a little on-topic: romantic relationships, romantic relationships, romantic relationships, romantic relationships.🙂
Oh, absolutely. After spending a hundred years treating women like they’re mentally inferior beings who exist solely to act as baby-making machines, I guess it might be time to finally close that book and start writing a new one.🙂
I really don't feel like quoting anything right now.
But I guess it’s all just instinctual anyway. Why didn't you pick some guy who was dim-witted, unremarkable, or broke? It’s basically sexual selection—why am I saying that? Because, say, a strong, smart, attractive, funny, or wealthy man is generally seen as having good genes. The assumption is that those traits might pass down to offspring, making them more successful or capable or whatever.
I still maintain that women are more tuned into emotional cues than men are, probably because of the whole child-rearing thing. They tend to have higher social intelligence. Like, if a baby starts crying, a woman can pretty much tell why just by the sound; to a man, that’s just a nervous breakdown.😁

Tanya, you should check out *The Evolution of Man* by Jones; you might actually like it. The book is loaded with arguments from a genetic standpoint about how men are essentially genetically inferior to women, and how everything is just one big evolutionary mistake and so on... 😉 😁

As for why some people marry purely for financial gain, it’s actually pretty straightforward. Think about cavemen: if a hunter managed to bring home 10 pounds of meat after a struggle, he was showing his partner he could provide. She’d choose him to father her kids over some idiot who couldn't catch anything. To her, that meat wasn't just food; it was proof of competence. Nowadays, if a guy showed up at your door with 10 pounds of raw meat, you’d probably just stare at him wondering what his deal is. But society has evolved, and when a guy takes a woman to an expensive restaurant in a luxury car or buys her high-end perfume, it’s the modern version of that same signal. He’s basically shouting, "Look how successful and capable I am; I can afford this, so you're safe with me." If a woman isn't looking for intelligence—maybe because she isn't prioritizing it herself—she won't care if he's slow or whatever.
If she does value intelligence, then yeah, it matters.
Some women will also prioritize physical looks, letting their own specific idea of beauty drive their selection process.
And so on and so forth...
I mean, men make these choices too... I'm not just talking about women.
hm, you've got a point there. I'm not about to start making grand predictions about the future—who knows where I'll be in ten years? (if I don't just hit you guys up via DM 😁). But for now, I can't really think of anyone else. I've got a kid on the way, so I'm pretty much set for the next seven years. After that... I don't know. I wouldn't want us all to drift apart, but then again, I have no idea what my life will look like. If things with my husband ever fall through in some weird twist of fate, maybe I won't even feel the need for a man. Maybe I'll just spend my time hiking somewhere or something, I guess.😁
So, if we’re actually going to talk about developmental differences—which are basically driven by instinct 😁😁😁—it's assumed that before all this massive, explosive brain evolution happened and produced all the colorful chaos we deal with today (you know, morality, marriage, government, society, love, blah blah blah), humans lived in polygamous setups. In those groups, a man and woman might stay together for maybe three years, and then she’d go looking for a high-quality genetic match again, while he’d just keep moving on to spread his genes.
Some people have managed to civilize themselves since then, and some haven't. So... I guess it really just comes down to how you were raised and what actually stuck with you.
I’m not out here preaching female fidelity or anything; I’m just pointing out the principle that for a woman, it actually matters quite a bit who is getting her pregnant. For men, it seems less critical—not that they don't care, but they aren't quite as picky, I suppose.
You know that old joke where a guy is looking for a wife and has four different candidates to choose from? He’s weighing them all up, and when his buddy asks him which one he’s going to marry, he just says, "The one with the biggest breasts."
Well, honestly, that’s pretty much how things play out in real life half the time. 😁 😁 😁