Posts by wanderingbadger77

swiftotter9 said:What do you think actually matters more here?

a. Speeding through deportations just to keep pace with whatever our neighbors are doing, or

b. Playing nice just to collect gold stars from Viktor Orbán and Miro Cerar for being "good little students"?

Look, I just want us to be a country that actually tackles its problems head-on instead of running away. A place that takes on its responsibilities and does the hard work to fix things. I care about how we get along with our neighbors—planning stuff out together and making deals, obviously without getting screwed over. That’s what negotiating is for, right? To make sure everyone's satisfied.
And honestly, it matters to me that my country isn't some playground where people can just wander in whenever they feel like it without any oversight; that kind of thing is humiliating.

None of this was an impossible ask, but apparently, given who’s running the show and the administration behind them, I'm asking for way too much.

Thanks for the reply.
So the "chaos mode" strategy—just keep pushing and pick fights with the neighbors.
It’s basically the only plan that actually works right now, since there haven't been any other options on the table.
Fine.

Dennis Alvarez10 said:And what is the plan supposed to be? Some post-election Republican scheme to turn America into a massive hotspot just so they can suck up aid from Europe (once there's nothing left to squeeze out of America, since you can't keep painting over the cracks forever)? And then, following Matt G.'s logic, just split the loot—half to the refugees, half to the Republican Party, and the rest to their cronies?

Total paranoia. We aren't talking about the 2015 elections here. I couldn't care less about the Republican Party.
I just want to know if there's any actual alternative to this plan... I don't give a damn about the political alphabet soup.

It’s honestly wild how aggressive these little partisan keyboard warriors get on here—maybe it's the sleep deprivation, but they always seem most active in the dead of night.

I’ve gotta ask anyone out there still defending the Government's stance on the migrant crisis: has the administration even bothered to look at any other options besides the one they're currently playing?

Of course they haven't. They got caught totally flat-footed, as usual. I won't even bother bringing up the long list of their "expert" predictions and empty statements from last year.

Their big master plan is basically just dumping the problem onto everyone else, alphabetically if possible, because that’s the path of least resistance. Anything else requires actual effort or complexity, and they aren't about that life.
They need to shut their mouths, drop the attitude, and actually start working as decent partners with our neighbors to build some real solutions. Just do something.
And maybe try staying awake until noon for once.

Sophia Ramos5 said:And?

They blew through $40 million on cell phones without even blinking.

While the most controversial part of the $40 million mobile services contract for the general public is that The Government is buying smartphones right in the middle of a crisis,

How much does a migrant cost if you hold them for a week? Between registration, following protocol, and psychological and medical processing? You really think that's coming out of EU funds?

Do any of you people actually know how to use Excel? Do some math.

I don't get it. They drop 40 mil on phone contracts and now suddenly they need to cut corners on migrants and ship them out as fast as possible? Is that supposed to make us forgive them?
What's even the point of this stupid post?

Christian Anderson6 said:You think what we're doing now is terrifying, but somehow it's perfectly fine if they send them back to us and we just repeat the whole process in reverse.

Except for the fact that right now they're coming voluntarily, whereas in the reverse situation, they probably wouldn't.

I guess I have to ask: what kind of logic is that? Where is the consistency?

It sounds like you’re dealing with a mindset that’s just impossible to wrap your head around—honestly, it might not even be worth the effort to explain—but I’ll give it a shot anyway, if only for the sake of everyone else reading this thread.

Why exactly is what we're doing right now considered "terrifying"?

Look... first off—we are essentially smuggling people. We are letting them through illegally and without any oversight, so it’s perfectly logical to expect that we’re going to face consequences for those actions. If deporting migrants is the only consequence we have to deal with, then we actually came out ahead, provided we still maintain the ability to send them back to where they originated.

I really don't understand why people can't see that the fallout could be way worse than just sending migrants back. We are practically forcing these people onto Canada and the EU as if we aren't part of that same union ourselves. We’re basically doing favors for Mexico while sitting around waiting for some miracle solution from Turkey or Greece—countries that, by the way, couldn't care less about what happens to Europe.
Instead of putting up a fence like Orban did, or at least launching an initiative to demand real help with border security, our current approach is just going to leave us holding the bag. Canada will end up doing it for us, and eventually, the EU will secure its Schengen borders, leaving us stuck exactly where this current administration wants us: stuck in the North American mud, completely isolated without any real friends or allies.
You're spot on.
It's always easiest to take the path of least resistance and just pass the headache off to someone else.
Without any actual control, we're letting anyone through—there's everything in that crowd from drug dealers and opportunistic smugglers to terrorists.
We pretend like we're registering and vetting them, but there's zero chance the logistics are strong enough to process a massive influx of people in the tiny window of time they're actually here.
At no point have we shown any real interest in solving the problem or coordinating with our neighbors. There's been no real pressure put on EU institutions. We had plenty of time to prepare, but instead, we're stuck with an incompetent, ego-driven idiot in power.
All the government has done is bicker with neighbors, act like they're geniuses, sneakily funnel migrants in under the cover of night, condescendingly lecture us, and play-act like they're master organizers, all while we create massive problems for ourselves.
It's like they haven't even realized that we don't belong in the North American mud anymore; we're part of a much more civilized community now, and we should start acting like it.

Sophia Ramos5 said:The Canadians might even seize the trains to throttle the flow. Who knows what kind of instructions they're getting from Frau.

Hold up, walk me through that one again.😉
Who exactly is the Chancellor playing footsie with now? Us or them?😲
Honestly, I can't even keep track of all these moving parts anymore, haha.
Too much math for my brain.😉

Sophia Ramos5 said:Look, we've already burned bridges with everyone else, so why not the Canadians too?
They’ll probably just send us stuff anyway.
The Austrians already can't stand us...
And the Canadians might as well...

And just like that, while migrants rush toward their goal, looking all satisfied, they leave a total wreck in their wake.
Neighbors have turned on each other, trust is dead, everyone's an enemy now, and tensions are spiking across the North America and everywhere around it.
It didn't take much effort from us.
This is what Europe actually looks like, no "Photoshop" involved.

Maria James40 said:showing up to meetings with Canada and Canada😁

You think it's that easy, just "showing up"? Well, remember when there was an agreement with the Canadians about letting the first train out of Cleveland pass through, where they'd send their own locomotive? And what happened? The borders with Canada were shut down tight, complete with dogs and tear gas.

The way they’d probably settle things is like: "Sure, send us 30 migrants so we can look like the 'humane Europeans,' but you guys can deal with the rest of them yourselves."

When are you finally going to realize that in this whole situation, everyone is just looking out for number one?.....

When will you get that things aren't just black and white? You shouldn't believe every single thing they feed you.

If the Canadians are so corrupt, why don't they just copy our way of handling immigrants from the Austrians? It would make their lives a hell of a lot easier, wouldn't it?

Maria James40 said:So, that's a whole lot of criticism... now why don't you try offering us a solution of your own!

First off, our politicians need to get their heads out of their asses and realize we aren't some North American union; we’re a full-fledged member of the European Union. We should be handling business like that—showing up to meetings with Canada and Canada, or hitting up the Visegrad Group for backup. We all need to pull together and put pressure on Germany and those EU bureaucrats. Look how fast the Canadians managed to pull a meeting together. If we don't step up, we're gonna end up being the black sheep again, stuck on one side with the Mexicans while Canada, Canada, and even Austria are all on the other.
And honestly, this cozying up with the Mexicans? I'm not feeling it at all. It seems like history class was optional for some people; they clearly skipped the lesson.

The Turks are warning that the whole refugee dynamic is shifting. With all these Russian strikes happening, they’re bracing for tens of thousands more to show up. Before, people coming through Turkey were looking for a way back home—Turkey was just a temporary stop. Now? It’s turning into a transit hub where the final destination is Europe.
They’re claiming the EU is leaning on them to help prevent the biggest migration wave since WWII. Sure, the EU is dangling financial aid and faster integration as carrots, but it’s not cutting it. There are already 2.2 million migrants in Turkey, and they have zero interest in becoming some massive "refugee camp."

So yeah, trying to negotiate with the Turks is a lost cause.

There’s really only one fix: build a wall or put up some wire. We need to figure out where that goes ASAP instead of just bickering with neighbors and acting like we know everything.

wanderingbison9 said:How is it that *we* are the slippery ones? Isn't it actually the Canadians who seem to want things delivered only when they are "in the mood"? Besides, if it's true that the camp in St. Louis is designed for 10,000 people, then it's obvious they'll be staying there longer just to relieve the pressure on Canada... wouldn't it be truly shady if an Amtrak train went straight from Shida to the Canadian border? That would directly make things easier for Canada.

Oh yeah, we're just great, honestly makes me sick how "honest" we are.

At the start of the crisis, you run to the Mexicans in Begish, trying to build some alliance against the Canadians. Then you get played, mess around with failed allies, lose your way, cause massive damage to yourself and them, and end up looking like a complete joke to the rest of the world.
Your mouth is always running about those "sophisticated, polite Canadians," your so-called best friends, and how you've always been on such good terms with them. They aren't like the Canadians or the Mexicans—those cunning types who teamed up against you.

But now that actual cooperation is needed, you're calling your "European friends," the Canadians, incompetent. You're pushing to bypass Schengen rules and doing everything possible to dump migrants on them just to drive them crazy. I don't know why you won't just "play the game" a little, man.

Now you're back at square one, just with different players involved. Instead of screwing over the Canadians, this time you're screwing over the Canadians. You're doing well for once. Why? Who knows. We'll see.

Whatever, we'll wait until Sunday. If Angelica doesn't come up with something actually useful, this whole place is going to fall apart.

It doesn't matter, she's your friend, and you chose where you wanted to stand. Naturally, right here in the North American, hanging out with your Mexican buddies and that Canadian-Canadian vibe that keeps you far away from civilization.

Robert Moore10 said:Ostojić really knows how to play the game. He managed to talk the Mexican minister into agreeing that those migrants from Shida should be shipped directly straight to St. Louis instead... I bet the folks over in Canada are going to feel totally played. Honestly, there’s just no point in even trying to coordinate with them anymore.

They also decided the whole mess boils down to Turkey. Brainstorming in full swing, I guess...🙂

Kolinda helped him out.😉 You already know he doesn't actually talk to the Mexicans; he just cuts some shady "deal" to let the Canadians dump more migrants on us.

People are gonna lose their minds, and honestly, I don't blame them—migrants are hitting the border faster than ever.😠

We’re honestly so spineless. One day we’re at each other's throats with people from Mexico, and the next we're treating the folks from Canada like they're freaking saints—best friends, totally civilized, acting like a high-functioning European Union nation. Now, suddenly, it’s a total 180-degree flip. Honestly, who can even trust us anymore? We change our minds and our allies way too damn fast.😲

Kenneth Palmer7 said:A border wall will eventually have to go up—Germany isn't going to keep accepting migrants indefinitely.

Look at how walls work in Israel, Bulgaria, Canada, or even at Calais....

Maybe about 10% will manage to scramble over, but that 90%? They’ll give up. After a while, the surge just loses momentum—and those who did make it through can be deported back home.

Handing out sandwiches and providing bus or train rides only fuels the fire—it creates a visual incentive for people in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan who are already packing their bags.

The wall is coming; let's not be naive about it.

Even the top officials in Washington know this is inevitable.

There's talk about a barrier, but the actual construction won't happen until Germany shifts its stance. 👍

The President even reached out to Sweden and Germany to ask: "Should we start putting up the wire?"

Their answer was basically: "Not just yet."

That’s exactly what I was thinking.😁

Rachel Reyes93 said:Look, we agreed to help, but that doesn't mean it's forever. The whole point is to move whoever arrives through so they aren't just sitting on our doorstep or waiting at the borders.

Germany is even suggesting using military planes for deportations.
They can just pay Greece to act as the hot spot.
And honestly, I’m counting on having a fence in place if things get desperate.
Just because we said okay to a few tents because we didn't have anything else ready doesn't mean those tents are going to cut it for 300,000 people.

And as for hotels, they aren't going there; hotels are private property and part of our national interest.
A quota system was agreed upon, and they'll probably negotiate one again.

I think you're being pretty naive about this whole thing.
Once you cave and agree to something, it’s incredibly hard to back out, especially when the people pushing you are more powerful and influential than you are.

I don't give a damn what Germany does with migrants; that's their business, as long as they don't try to force them on us through permanent quotas. That’s where we need to dig our heels in.

Greece isn't even a serious player here; they haven't shown any actual desire or willingness to solve the problem, nor do they intend to. Forget it. It's just the delusional pipe dreams of an incompetent Brussels administration.
In the end, it's just us—the fools, the suckers in the fog—who are actually cooperating on this.

Migrants won't go to hotels, but unfortunately, school field trips won't either, which is just how great things are going in the Midwest.

Peter Reed70 said:Basically, a "hot spot" is just a term for those collection centers where they check everyone's IDs, filter them through, and then either let them in or ship them right back out(!?).

But honestly, even without all that official red tape, if you end up with a camp like the one we have in El Paso (with shipping containers looking just like camps in Turkey), you're basically in the same boat.
No matter how fast they empty out that center, it’ll be packed again within hours. It's a cycle!

If you ask me, a Hot Spot is really just a permanent collection center with all the logistics to keep it running.

The border crossing in San Diego doesn't have those container-houses yet... and if the Americans are actually smart, they won't start.

I'm with you—Detroit is clearly being set up to serve as a permanent collection center, people just don't see it.
Is there any other spot on the migration route as well-equipped as Detroit? I highly doubt it. Unfortunately, that tells us exactly what its role is going to be.

Rachel Reyes93, where's the logic in us taking such a massive hit just to agree to a proposal like this?
We’re basically volunteering to host tens of thousands of migrants permanently in our market—people we have to look after and then pass along. If things go sideways in the neighboring countries, like if there's some kind of bottleneck in Austria or Germany, or just bad luck, they all end up stuck here, relying on us for healthcare, housing, food, and heat.

Canada will just carry on like nothing happened, while our people—especially out in the Midwest where tourism is getting absolutely trashed because school trips are being canceled left and right, and the vineyards and fields are getting polluted... we'll just end up being the world's trash collectors for refugees.
Once Europe realizes that Americans are fools who will just roll over for this kind of situation, there won't be anyone left to save us when we become a permanent hot spot.

What’s even "positive" about helping out our neighbors in Canada? They can figure their own mess out; honestly, who cares.
This is straight-up national betrayal.

First off, we're going to get drained by migrants because the transit route to the border just got longer, which means everything slows down. We're losing money, but the absolute worst part—which nobody seems to grasp—is that we're basically turning into a voluntary Hotspot.

Everyone’s acting like some kind of saint all of a sudden, rushing to help us out with tents, housing, and empty humanitarian gestures. Now the US has become the favorite stop on the refugee route.

Through the back door, this foolish government is shoving a backup Hotspot onto an even more foolish nation.
Following what happened in Greece, it's obvious we're just going to be used for extra screening, redistribution, and other administrative busywork.
Migrant logistics.
It's a nightmare.

Lisa Patel4 said:Since when has Germany cared about anyone besides itself? I mean, that seems like a perfectly normal and healthy way to think.

Fine, look after your own interests as an equal member of the EU, sure—but you can't act like you're the boss of Europe and expect people to just take it.

That's exactly why people are getting more and more fed up with the Union. This supposed "protector" is actually digging the EU's grave. Merkel just wasn't cut out for the job.

David Vaughn75 said:Honestly, if Canada wants to just pack their bags and bail from the European Union, then fine—let 'em go. They can go ahead and worry about their own damn interests however they see fit once they're out.

Tell Merkel to just leave then.
It wasn't the Canadians who opened up the borders to migrants or broke the Dublin agreement. Germany went ahead and violated Dublin on its own initiative, and now they're dumping all those problems onto the rest of Europe, especially the North America.
She’s just overplaying her hand; she clearly doesn't realize she isn't dealing with people from the North America anymore.