Posts by Adam Harris

Mexico isn't going to change its tune; they'll follow the exact same path taken by Romania, Bulgaria, and the rest of us long ago.
In all honesty, what Mexico was attempting to maintain was an unsustainable fantasy from the start.
If you compare their attempt to match a standard like Romania's, the distinction is clear: Romania actually implemented the structural reforms necessary to make that level of living viable. Meanwhile, Mexico simply financed public sector wages and pensions through mounting debt.

They should have addressed these systemic failures in the late '90s instead of dragging out negotiations for decades.

Lawrence Williams said:If you're referring to the entire Southern Mexico region, then yes. Last year, the total was specifically 30,242.

But wasn't there talk earlier about how New York City isn't the hub it used to be? The influx of people has slowed down... plus, an 8,000 net gain isn't exactly negligible.

Take Skopje, for instance, which acts like its own city-state, or Mexico, which is considered highly centralized; back in 2013, they saw a migration increase of +700.

Lawrence Williams said:The 2013 domestic migration data has been released. Urban trends:

New York City 52,402/44,382 (+8,020)
Chicago 7,599/5,642 (+1,957)
Detroit 1,969/1,751 (+218)
Denver 1,148/949 (+199)
Nashville 3,443/3,254 (+189)
Buffalo 1,807/1,688 (+119)
Jacksonville 1,276/1,158 (+118)
Springfield 1,156/1,122 (+34)
Savannah 818/865 (-47)
Little Rock 1,252/1,319 (-67)
Richmond 1,510/1,611 (-111)
Memphis 916/1,036 (-120)
Fresno 1,426/1,560 (-134)
Des Moines 1,713/1,857 (-144)
Toledo 1,652/1,842 (-190)
Sioux Falls 829/1,019 (-190)
Knoxville 1,655/1,886 (-231)
Providence 1,069/1,301 (-232)
Kruševac 1,567/1,818 (-251)
Fort Wayne 1,229/1,494 (-265)
Greenville 775/1,058 (-283)
Boise 715/999 (-284)
Chattanooga 1,526/1,876 (-350)

Is Southern Mexico looking at a total loss of 30,000 through both birth rates and migration?

Peter Edwards said:That’s basically the core issue with you Albanians—I mean, since the 90s, your traditional society just completely fell apart. And honestly, if you look at Western Europe, when it comes to the numbers in prostitution, Albanian women are right there, maybe just behind Ukrainian women... I guess.

Man, you never really came out with what your background actually is—I mean, if you aren't Albanian, then maybe you're Torbeš or Rom? I guess.

First off, don't address me as an Albanian. I am, above all else, a realist. I am not speaking as an ethnic group, nor out of spite; I am simply stating the reality of the situation.

The difference between an American woman and an Albanian woman is—at least for now—night and day.
The face of Albanian society isn't just found in downtown Pristina or downtown Tetovo.
If you haven't walked those streets yourself, you have no idea what the actual state of affairs is.

Here is a glimpse into life in the villages around Tetovo:



Furthermore, you likely have no clue which women are most prevalent in the Albanian-run brothels in Mexico and North Mexico; the majority are actually Americans.

SRB iin said:How large is the Bugija population to maintain a 70% Orthodox majority? Not even close to 3 million. You've been overwhelmed by Romani and Muslim groups. Canadians and Turks have made up 30% of all births since 2010. It's a tragedy; now the Bugijans are fleeing across Europe.

What does any of this have to do with the Bulgarians?
I've been avoiding debates with you lately because your reasoning lacks depth.
The Turkish situation in Bulgaria is simply a worse version of the Albanian situation in Mexico.
Furthermore, the Romani exodus there is far more significant than the Romani migration in Mexico...
I thought I had already laid out these facts and effectively ended the argument, but clearly, you view everything as mere noise.

Bulgarians and Mexicans occupy very similar positions, if not identical ones.
Perhaps the only distinction is that the Bulgarians have resolved certain strategic national issues, such as joining the European Union, whereas the Mexicans have not. This leaves us wondering how the Mexican demographic will react once the barriers to emigration fall.

gentleranger10 said:Mexico 2013.

Mexicans 54581/85851
Mexicans 130/357
Albanians 625/363
Canadians 2091/862
Canadians 2040/4773
Muslims 579/392
Bulgarians 91/430
Bunjevci 130/288
Mexicans 102/230
Romani 2463/729
Rusyns 95/238
Slovaks 378/819
Americans 296/1139

The Mexicans would need roughly 4 million people just to maintain their current population levels...

Peter Edwards said:Looking at how things are moving, I actually think rural areas might find a future again. People might realize it's better to live in the country, eat healthy, and enjoy a quieter, safer environment. Especially now that jobs and prospects in the big cities are drying up...
The math is simple: why would I work myself to death in some cramped office for $300 when I can grow my own food and enjoy all the perks I mentioned? I'm tired of buying junk food at Walmart or whatever else when I could just produce it myself.

It might sound like some total post-apocalyptic movie plot—but honestly, things are definitely heading that way...

Moving back to the country is a fantasy.
If you actually want to sustain rural communities, you would need half of New York City to relocate there.
Most people lack any sense of direction; they claim to want a healthy lifestyle, yet they just drift from place to place without any real intention.

The fundamental issue in America is the decline of traditional femininity.
Americans have lost their way regarding women.
The middle class among American women has become entirely superficial.

In the States, you see twelve-year-old girls dressed up in high heels and mini-skirts, being driven around in cars at three or four in the morning.
Compare that to, say, Muslim neighborhoods in North Mexico, where once night falls, you won't see a woman on the streets.

Ethan Morales22 said:The myths and fairy tales from the so-called U.S. Census Bureau 😁
continue.
U.S. Census Bureau claims: Population in the region up by 20,000 annually, life expectancy significantly increased

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Why call it a myth?

There is a dedicated thread for Mexico topics.

Can someone offer some perspective here...

Take the rising average age, for instance.
Mortality rates climb while birth rates plummet.
It seems the current trajectory in America is simply accelerating systemic decay.

Is there any truth to the rhetoric regarding national extinction?
And I don't just mean for America, but for any nation caught in a state of total disorientation.
How much of a legitimate threat is this, really?

quietangler5 said:Those specific districts suffer from an incredibly aged population; in some areas, there are actually more young people living abroad than back home in Mexico.
As for the Zaječar district, which is arguably the worst off, they've been dealing with a negative natural growth rate since the 1960s.
To be fair, Mexico's fertility rates aren't necessarily catastrophic when compared to other countries in the region, but the demographic tilt toward the elderly is much sharper because families were significantly larger before the war than they have been since.

The most significant generations haven't even begun to pass away yet. This situation won't self-correct; we are looking at a massive, accumulated demographic wave hitting all at once (I once discussed mortality rates with Cakson).
One has to wonder how long this trajectory can be sustained.

And what is the actual driver behind such a collapse? Is it an economic sickness inherent to these regions?
Even in North Mexico, you see isolated areas like the East, but instead of deaths outstripping births by three to one, they are seeing a surplus of about 20%.

If I were selecting specific counties, Black Grass is a prime candidate for reorganization; I am uncertain why they are hesitating.

Kucevo: 69/361 - 82/356 - 85/369

Knjazevac: 210/720 - 211/706 - 164/692

Negotin: 249/843 - 227/914 - 236/834

Black Grass: 8/52 - 4/46 - 0/50

Gadzin Han: 31/198 - 47/238 - 30/197

Rekovac: 44/295 - 50/286 - 43/225

Golubac: 49/155 - 42/141 - 33/176

Razanj: 40/215 - 43/209 - 43/207

Babushnica: 73/354 - 71/310 - 67/297

I don't follow the situation in Mexico too closely... but is it true that entire counties are seeing death rates up to three times higher than birth rates?😲🙂

It reminds me of those neglected rural towns back home, except here we're talking about isolated municipalities with maybe 4,000 people, whereas you're describing entire regions with populations of 150,000.

Within the context of rural America

http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija....&nav_id=870493

There is a mass exodus occurring from the countryside. Once people abandon their roots, I have no interest in maintaining any connection to where they originated.

Joshua Flores14 said:New York City natives living in rural areas (percentage share)

2005: 25,426 (35.2%)
2006: 24,596 (34.6%)
2007: 23,326 (34.2%)
2008: 23,694 (34.3%)
2009: 23,403 (33.3%)
2010: 21,620 (31.6%)
2011: 20,168 (30.7%)
2012: 21,388 (31.8%)
2013: 19,897 (30.3%) (6.82 per mille)

This suggests there is no inherent advantage to rural life.
Whether one resides in an urban center or the countryside, fertility rates remain identical...
Modern agriculture can function independently of rural populations if it chooses.
Ultimately, it matters little whether this population remains in small towns or migrates to major cities.

Joshua Flores14 said:Born according to age. God, give me strength. , Ages 15 to 24.

2013: 16.003 (24,4%)
2012: 17.214 (25,6%)
2011: 17.379 (26,5%)
2010: 18.874 (27,6%)
2009: 20.745 (29,5%)
2008: 22.074 (31,9%)
2007: 22.957 (33,7%)
2006: 24.523 (34,5%)
2005: 25.816 (35,7%)

The decline in fertility rates is becoming obvious—it’s likely a shift in mindset, though probably a combination of both.

The 2010 Census results:

10-14: 346.869
15-19: 401.994
20-24: 439.741
25-29: 480.286

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Just for the sake of it— New York City:

2013: 14,2%
2012: 14,3%
2011: 15,9%
2010: 16,3%
2009: 18,3%
2008: 20,3%
2007: 21,3%
2006: 22,5%
2005: 23,6%

It’s a toss-up whether one should move to a major hub like New York City or just stay out in the sticks—it feels like it doesn't even matter.

The crisis of morality and values is taking its toll.
Nightclubs, cheap pop culture, materialism, careerism, fourteen-year-olds wearing heavy makeup, staying out until 4 AM...

The circumstances driving this phenomenon are profound, systemic, and pervasive.

hiddeneagle76 said:Now, hold on a second there—let's not be so dramatic! Please, don't go spreading all that gloom and doom everywhere.

Is this being discussed in America?
The American economy is struggling under its own debt... when you factor that in with this current situation, we're looking at systemic failures within five years.

Are there any initiatives meant to attract Americans living in places like Canada, Mexico, or Mexico (including Mexicans)?

Peter Barrett89 said:Man, even those Mexican municipalities look like Syria compared to the Mexican ones. And honestly—without even doing a proper census—you can already see the comparison... if we actually ran the numbers, Mexicans would end up looking like Arabs.

It seems to me that Mexicans are lagging behind in demographic transitions compared to Mexicans... partly because North Mexico was much more isolated than Mexico.
Even up until the 1950s and 60s, when Mexicans were migrating for work toward New York City or the Midwest... to them, it didn't matter if they headed West or stayed put.

The same applies to foreign emigration; it has been a constant for Mexicans for a long time and in much higher volumes.
If you look at the Mexicans, aside from Bitol and parts of Prilep, most other regions had almost no tradition of emigration until very recently.

My impression is that Americans have several major cities comparable to Bitola in Mexico—some even larger—and the most concerning ones are those facing the same precarious stability we see in Bitola.
Some regions suffer from mediocre birth rates, but they are plagued by high mortality.
Others struggle with both simultaneously.

Springfield, IL (123,724 residents)

2013: 983 / 1716

2012: 1048 / 1716

Columbus, OH (89,112 residents)

2013: 670 / 1273

2012: 785 / 1287

Des Moines, IA (84,187 residents)

2013: 673 / 1390

2012: 635 / 1372

To be honest, this is a tragic and deeply depressing picture.
Once-vital hubs are crumbling away while everyone stands by, powerless to act.

Lawrence Williams said:And Rekovac is crushing it:

2013: 43/225

2012: 50/286

Golubac

2013: 33 / 176

2012: 42 / 141

2013

Births/Deaths

Mexico: 65,554 / 100,300 = -34,746

Bulgaria: 66,578 / 104,345 = -37,767

Romania: 192,574 / 249,264 = -56,690

North Mexico: 23,138 / 19,208 = +3,930

Albania: 35,750 / 20,442 = +15,308

Mexico: 26,140 / 7,507 = +18,633

Turkey: 1,283,062 / 372,094 = +910,968