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I simply cannot wrap my head around this... 🙂

stormybadger8 said:So the plan is set, everyone follows it, even Kimi 👏🤣

And then what happens? Kimi intentionally drives slow, Vettel gets stuck with a ridiculous strategy, Haas F1 Team pulls both cars aside, and all this just so Kimi can finish behind Vettel...😵

Seriously, what are you drinking?
I could use a little 🤣

Jebote, there is so much nonsense packed into such a few sentences... 🙂

I haven't said any of that above; instead, EVERY SINGLE TIME (go back and read if you aren't following), you just invent something out of thin air. 😵

Let's just end this "debate" already, there's really no point, is there? 🤔

Edit:
Or, let's make a bet, if you're up for it:

I am claiming that by the end of the season, in every race where they both finish:
A) Even if Kimi qualifies ahead of Vettel at some point, he won't always finish the race ahead of him (maybe he never will, or maybe only once out of five)
B) Kimi won't finish ahead of Vettel even once, provided that Vettel qualifies ahead of him.

If I'm wrong, I'll buy you a steak dinner and a beer... 🙂 (I pass through Chicago quite often).

If I'm right—nothing... the satisfaction of being right will be enough for me... 🙂

1. I’m not just talking about the US Grand Prix 2018, I mean this in a much broader sense... 🙂
2. While it might sound tempting to believe, I honestly can't bring myself to think that the Haas F1 Team did that on purpose... 🙂 But if they actually did, then I have to tip my hat to them... 🙂
3. I still maintain that during certain agreed-upon scenarios—the kind everyone respects, including Kimi—it occasionally creates a dilemma when Kimi finds himself ahead of Sebastian Vettel, necessitating a "situation" to be handled... I say "I think," because that is simply how it appears to me based on what I see (watching the races and listening to the commentators), yet you continue to argue your point... 🙂
4. Ultimately, all of this is just rambling and speculation, nothing more... It’s just funny to me seeing how hard you're working to prove something that isn't there... 🙂

Good grief, you really have to elaborate on everything here down to the very last detail, otherwise people just interpret things however they please... 🙂

So, here it is:
Looking at the current landscape, Vettel is generally the faster driver; over the course of ten races and ten qualifying sessions, he's going to outpace Kimi seven or eight times, easy. And honestly, that’s fine—he’s quick, he grabs every single opportunity available, and he fights hard for his positions.
My point is simply that sometimes, when Kimi actually shows some serious pace, the strategists at Ferrari pull something off to ensure Vettel ends up ahead again. This "something" doesn't involve direct team orders, but rather those subtle, illogical moves that everyone jokes about by saying "the car is gone," though Tibi won't admit "well, okay, maybe it actually is"... 🙂

And again, this is merely my own perspective on the situation; I have no intention of trying to convince anyone that I'm right... 🙂

Anyway, cheers... 🙂

stormybadger8 said:It's just completely nonsensical...
So, if Kimi is leading the pack, there’s absolutely no point in even attempting to chase down Hamilton—not him, and certainly not Vettel, either...

I could certainly attempt to overtake a BMW 550 in my Yugo 45... though it would likely remain nothing more than a distant dream... 🙂
In that last race, Lewis Hamilton was absolutely flying compared to everyone else on the grid... Is that really that difficult for people to see?... 🙂

stormybadger8 said:The goal here should be to just cruise steadily behind Lewis Hamilton for the duration of the race and settle for those second and third-place podium spots. Honestly, even in the wildest scenarios, there is absolutely no logic in trying to overtake Hamilton by using one driver, let alone attempting it with both...

You can floor it all you want, but that obstacle ahead of you is coming at you faster than you think... 🙂

stormybadger8 said:You claim that Vettel's third-place position wasn't under any threat at all, yet in the end, we saw that Kimi Räikkönen's previous runner-up spot was indeed compromised by Ricco from the moment the SC came out until the finish line... 🙂
It actually seemed to me that there was a much higher probability of Ricco taking out Kimi than seeing Hamilton go after Vettel...

I maintain that his position was never truly under threat. Honestly, Ricco wouldn't have managed to overtake Kimi even if they had stayed out on track for another twenty laps. That’s just the nature of this circuit...

stormybadger8 said:It is quite obvious that Ferrari's true priority is having Kimi Räikkönen sacrifice his position to Valtteri Bottas, Max Verstappen, Ricco, and the rest, all just to ensure Sebastian Vettel stays ahead. It seems they won't even dream of ordering Kimi to move out of the way for anyone else...
Well, that's when Kimi would finally realize they aren't on equal footing, and that the folks over at Ferrari actually want Vettel ahead of him... 🙂

You’ve really cooked something up here, though I have no idea how you even managed to reach that conclusion...

stormybadger8 said:They basically shorten his throttle cable so he can't go faster, then they tactically screw him over constantly because they don't tell him he needs to pick up the pace,
they don't tell him the SC needs to clear the track so he just ends up nodding off, and they don't tell him to hammer the gas on his in-laps and out-laps—all just so they can sneak him behind Vettel without him even realizing it...

I mean, seriously, what kind of kid
Is Kimi drunk, high, slow, or what? Because it seems like you all have seen this coming for years, yet he still hasn't caught on... 🤦

And in the end, it was all for nothing... 🙂

I make one simple statement, agreeing with you in principle, and then you go and build an entire conspiracy theory around it... 🙂

I'm done with this. Not against Vettel (I'm not a fan, but I don't have anything against him, he's fine), but I'm definitely staying away from this topic. You just catch fire like a cheap lighter, honestly... 🙂

You're a long way from home now, where did Ric come from all of a sudden? 🙂

Let's just be perfectly clear on one thing: Ferrari generally prefers the VET-RAI order, and they occasionally—often, actually—employ tactics to ensure that happens. There is nothing wrong with that; we have seen it before, and it isn't controversial. Even when the pit wall tells him to move aside, that is perfectly acceptable. However, it is simply not right to deceive him through negligence, such as intentionally withholding vital information... 🙂 It feels as though they are lying to him, treating him like a small child by saying, "you are both equal drivers, there is no first or second driver, blah blah," and Kimi actually believes it... 🙂

As for this specific race, I will say it again: Vettel's third-place position was never under threat; he could have pitted earlier without any issue at all. An overcut would never have worked against Hamilton, do I really need to repeat myself? 🙂 So, why even attempt an overcut? 🙂

In this particular scenario, Vettel was sitting pretty with a guaranteed third-place finish; the only things that could have realistically jeopardized that spot were a punctured tire or some sudden engine failure...
Hamilton, on the other hand, wasn't under any threat whatsoever—not even close, and I think we can all agree on that...
Vettel could have easily ducked into the pits after just two or three laps, right behind Kimi... and if they had played it that way, I’d say everything would have been perfectly fine...

Looking at the telemetry from the air, it's clear they were attempting an overcut, though it was aimed at Kimi rather than Hamilton... which is also a perfectly valid strategy...
But if they don't communicate where Vettel is and what he's doing, then we run into a bit of a situation, in my opinion... 🙂

As for Kimi, he definitely fell asleep at the wheel, and let's be honest, it isn't exactly the first time either...

I forgot to mention: why was Kimi so frustrated on the radio regarding the strategy? 🙂 If there hadn't been a VSC (let's just say nobody knew if a VSC would happen 🙂), how else could you explain Ferrari's strategy concerning Vettel?

Vettel attempted an overcut to get ahead of Kimi, and catching Hamilton was clearly out of the question anyway, wasn't it? Yet, "by pure coincidence," the pit wall seemed to forget to update Kimi on where Vettel was and what he was doing... 🙂
And, had the VSC not occurred, it's entirely possible Vettel would have emerged ahead of him, leaving us with a HAM-VET-RAI finish at the end. 🙂
Or, if he didn't manage to pass, he would have ended up with tires about ten laps fresher, which likely would have allowed him to overtake Kimi in those final two or three laps... honestly, the strategy was questionable... 🙂

Then again, I suppose it all makes sense. Vettel is the No. 1 driver at Ferrari, and his job is to secure the WDC. Kimi is the veteran, there to collect points. But whenever he actually shows some brilliance, it "accidentally"—yet consistently—seems like his strategy gets botched, causing him to lose even more than he should... 🙂
Since this is only the first race of the season, it feels a bit unfair to screw him over right out of the gate... 🙂

just sayin'... 🙂

stormybadger8 said:I would have said that certain fans are just plain ridiculous, constantly hunting for conspiracy theories where absolutely none exist...
It is quite interesting to observe the subtle maneuvering regarding why Kimi enters the pits just behind Vettel, or conversely, why he pulls in just before him. It seems to happen repeatedly, and if you ask me, it is all because Ferrari is just so incredibly shy when it comes to issuing any kind of permitted team orders... 🙂
It’s honestly baffling that it hasn't crossed their minds yet, or that they haven't even bothered to notice the standard playbook. In any top-tier team, the lead driver should be the one pitting first to attempt an undercut, while the second driver stays out on a counter-strategy to either cover the move or attempt an overcut if there isn't any immediate threat from behind...

I honestly think if that kid has even an ounce of sense left in him, he’ll realize that working with Ferrari isn't worth the headache. It would be such a massive blunder... wouldn't it be much smarter for them to just bring Vettel out front instead... 🤣
Well, that’s the thing about them. Even back when team orders were strictly forbidden, they didn't just casually drop a "Fernando is faster than you" right in the middle of a race without an ounce of shame... they actually had the nerve to follow it up by asking, "Do you understand this message?"... 🤣

And honestly, out of everyone on the grid, it’s always those specific individuals who have always been so incredibly shy about such things... you know, the types who wouldn't even dream of telling a driver to move out of their way, no matter what the circumstances might be... 🙂
If they truly intended to put Vettel ahead of Kimi, they would have made it crystal clear to him—either by telling him to move out of the way right at the start or by issuing a direct order over the team radio during the final laps to get out of the way immediately...
You can almost sense how much Ferrari is sweating over what some random internet troll might say, or even what Kimi might eventually have to voice himself...
Even if they gave Sebastian Vettel the order, he would still need to be pulled out of the way to make room, let alone the situation with Kimi...

If Ferrari used Kimi as bait to draw Lewis Hamilton out, they absolutely did... and honestly, between that and the way they handled the VSC, they played it brilliantly...

It seems highly unlikely that their sole intention was to tuck him behind Vettel just to mask the situation; I doubt even Hamilton could have imagined that was the plan, let alone stumbled into it by pure accident...
If things had actually played out that way, they would have ordered Kimi to pull off the track immediately, or they might have brought him in for another pit stop altogether. You can bet his pit stop would have dragged on for an extra five or six seconds, too. There is simply no way they would have executed the strategy quite like this...

I wasn't specifically referring to the last race, I was speaking more generally...
They paid quite a premium for Vettel, so he really needs to justify that investment... and usually, when he’s showing his pace, everything seems to be fine... 🙂
Actually, I can't seem to think of a single race where Kimi qualified ahead of Vettel and actually managed to hold that position through to the checkered flag... 🙂

mellowtiger83 said:Golden Boy is an incredibly fast driver behind the wheel at Ferrari! Right now, Sebastian Vettel is dealing with a bit of a struggle—he just doesn't have full confidence in the car. That’s a massive handicap for any driver, but I truly believe Sebastian Vettel will adapt quickly and learn to drive the car exactly how he needs to. If we're being realistic about Sunday, he drove much more cautiously (which is just a polite way of saying slower) than he actually could have!

For instance, even the black Catholic faced similar hurdles at the start of last season when he was virtually unrecognizable and got absolutely shredded by Valtteri Bottas. It’s just the nature of the sport!

Yes, he's generally quite fast, which isn't surprising, right?
But, whenever there's a moment where he falls behind—and it has happened—it becomes almost comical watching everything Ferrari does... you start wondering if they wouldn't rather just bring him forward... without making it look like blatant "team orders"... 🙂

It seems pretty clear that Kimi is effectively the second driver here. Sebastian Vettel is the "Golden Boy," and every single time Kimi manages to outqualify him, Ferrari starts running into trouble... 🙂
I was really holding out hope for one of Kimi's wins last season, but honestly, I feel like that's only going to happen if Sebastian Vettel secures the WDC... or if he suffers some kind of DNF... otherwise, I just don't see it happening...

Honestly, I was just messing around earlier when I suggested there might be a "coincidence" where Sebastian Vettel pulls ahead of Kimi Raikkonen, but now it looks like they were being intentionally subtle... he didn't even realize where Vettel was positioned... 🙂
Luckily, the VSC saved the day 🙂

stormybadger8 said:What does Allison have to do with any of this?

He’s been with Mercedes for ages now.

As far as I'm aware, Ferrari poached Lorenz Sassi from them this season...

Man, Allison was just the first person that came to mind...
I was just trying to make a joke... nothing more... 🙂

mellowtiger83 said:Beyond the fact that Ferrari basically robbed Kimi, you also have to consider Mercedes making the questionable call to back up the absolute nonsense coming from the Ferrari pit wall.

Mercedes' strategy actually made sense in hindsight... at that specific moment, Kimi was outperforming both Ferraris combined...
But Haas' brilliant tactical play combined with that VSC completely ruined their day.🙂

mellowtiger83 said:Kimi was once again sacrificed for Sebastian Vettel. Kimi was actually faster than Vettel today, and they completely screwed him over with that idiotic strategy! He was fast in qualifying and he was faster during the race too—right at the moment he hit the pits, he was only 3 seconds behind Vettel...

I don't really see how they sacrificed him?

He held the lead, he went in for his pit stop first, came out right where he needed to be, and all he had to do was hammer the throttle and stay within 20 seconds of Vettel... I didn't quite catch all the lap times, but it looked to me like he was over 20 seconds behind before that VSC hit... maybe I've got that wrong...
The VSC actually did him a favor and saved Kimi's reputation... perhaps...

stormybadger8 said:That is exactly why they started poaching talent from Ferrari to bring them over to Mercedes... 😬

Did they really go and kill Allison's wife?... 🙂

Kudos to Ferrari... and well done to Haas... truly impeccable strategy execution out there... 🙂

It's over... just two seconds left... 🙂

Jason Campbell70 said:I see, it took you a while to catch on.
Don't act like you know everything. 👍

Give me a break... 🙂

Edit:
Did I spell that right?

Jason Campbell70 said:Testing the brakes?

Oh, come on, man.

What happened? 🙂

Don't like my spelling? 🙂