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School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Daniel Gomez10 said:So, I see the Mayor is bringing up all these different "reasons" for the delay...
I think the most believable excuse I've heard so far is this one: some mom is currently on maternity leave with her second baby and wants to stay by the beach as long as possible—even through September and October if the weather stays nice. She’s basically asking to push back the older kid's start date just so they can stay together and she doesn't have to deal with being back in Washington, D.C. yet. 🙂

Honestly, that sounds like a win-win to me.🤣
Think about it: everyone gets fresh air, siblings get to bond, and you avoid that classic jealousy where the toddler wants attention while the school-aged kid is trying to focus. Instead of a parent juggling diapers and breastfeeding while worrying about school schedules, everyone just hangs out at the beach and enjoys the summer vibes. 😍
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
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School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Benjamin Nelson8 said:School isn't cheaper.😁
After-school care$67
Food is $180-$200 depending on how many days they attend.

Plus there's everything else at school: field trips, art supplies, nature outings, museums, theater trips... you're looking at spending at least $17 every single week on something.
Compare that to daycare: the occasional pack of cups ($2.00), a pack of wet wipes ($5.00), maybe a show here and there ($20-$8.25).

Then there's sports for both kids (totaling $100 since they go to the same program, so the second child is half price) plus extra sports activities for the little one in daycare ($67).

Daycare + activities = $200
School + activities = $200

If you don't have residency, you're basically starting from zero.
Maybe I'll think about a full meal later, but for now, I’m just looking for a quick snack—something around... $33 I know for a fact that isn't either.

The school doesn't really offer any paid extracurriculars like sports, language classes, or dance, which is such a change from what we had back in preschool. They actually told me that you really need to sign your kid up for these programs just so they don't feel left out, since all the other kids end up doing them. Apparently, once they hit first grade, the language program becomes free through the school district.

I was actually pretty surprised to see people crunching the numbers like that. It’s wild to think that daycare costs can be such a massive hit to the budget that parents are practically counting down the days until their kids start school. Of course, I know it hits differently if you're paying out of pocket versus having coverage, but man, those monthly bills really add up. $100 Even $600 can make a big difference, especially if you’re putting it into a private account. When you look at it over the course of a full year, those amounts really start to add up into a nice little cushion.
I honestly just feel like, no matter how you slice it, everything comes with a price tag. It’s just one of those realities of life—as your kids get older, the costs just keep climbing. 🤷

If we’re talking about crunching numbers—and I mean really looking at the math while ignoring a child's actual potential—it feels more logical to assume they'll just be older by the time they finally start. Plus, once childcare options dry up, they should theoretically be capable of staying home alone on their own (which, if you follow the Ombudsman's recommendations, is exactly what's supposed to happen). There's also that optimistic calculation that they might eventually land a "better" teacher, though people seem to be banking on that too. 🤣I see this happen quite often, especially with parents who have older kids and really want their younger ones to start first grade at the same time to keep things simple. It seems like that's why more people tend to opt for early enrollment—it just makes life easier for the family schedule. I remember hearing about those delays back in the day when families were waiting on new school openings; it actually made sense to wait if you knew a local spot was coming online soon. But I also know there’s been plenty of indecision elsewhere, too. People end up caught in this limbo where they aren't sure if they should deal with a year of commuting or just wait until they can enroll them in the neighborhood school. It’s a tough call, especially when you're in the middle of moving. If you haven't officially settled into your new house or apartment yet, it feels much more practical to keep the little one in daycare rather than dealing with a long drive to a school across town.

Honestly, I don't see much point in delaying things if growth just hits a plateau during that year—or worse, if they don't actually fix the areas where they're falling behind. It feels like you'd just be pushing the same problems down the road.🤷
As long as it’s a decision being made by parents, I really feel like it needs to be backed up by solid expert advice. There should be a clear, detailed roadmap laid out—showing exactly what’s going to happen, where it’s taking place, and who will be working with the child during that specific year. It shouldn't be left to guesswork.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
silentraven6 said:Either that, or because there isn't a proper recess. Or PE basically turns into kids chasing a soccer ball while the teachers just sit on the sidelines. Personally, I’m all for bringing in a dedicated gym teacher starting in first grade—someone who actually focuses on coordination and motor skills.

More and more people I know are opting out of the traditional school setup entirely. Honestly, I’d move closer to a school just so my kid could be home alone for a few hours after class. I realize how weird and scary that sounds to some people—leaving your kid home by themselves—but it’s worked wonders for us, and I haven't regretted it for a single second.

Besides, I’d probably push back enrollment anyway just to avoid dealing with this idiot system.😁

🙂 That makes two of us!
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:It’s hardly the kind of workout they see in gym class; it's more just moving around while taking out the trash or tidying up the room

I don't think that's the whole story, though.
Usually, all that restless energy comes from not having enough physical activity during the day. 😠

Personally, I see staying in preschool a little longer as a huge plus.
I mean, if you look at those daycare centers where kids get to go outside twice a day to run around and climb on things... they can stay active even without a formal sports program built into the curriculum.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Harold Cook2 said:So, my little guy is supposed to start school next year. By September, he’ll be about six or seven months old—which sounds crazy, I know—but the kid is just a total whirlwind. He’s hyperactive, always on the move, and honestly? School isn't going to be his vibe. I know there's still plenty of time before then, but let's be real, I don't see him slowing down anytime soon.
Is there any way we can just push his start date back to the following year?

I think I'll hold off on making any big decisions about that until next year.
It’s amazing how much a kid can grow and mature in just two months—sometimes they accomplish more in that short window than they would have in an entire year. It really makes you realize how quickly they pick things up!
I feel the same way. Thinking about letting a kid stay late at daycare just for extra playtime doesn't make much sense to me—it’s just unnecessary. It's pretty much like pushing a student to start school early just to help balance out some budget cuts or save on finances. Neither approach really serves the child's best interests.

Richard Perez3 said:I mean, schools usually have some kind of meal program or something 🤔
But yeah, if you’re just looking at the raw cost of daycare, I guess that makes sense. For me, the local municipal center runs about $450. It used to be closer to $600.

It seems like a lot of parents are choosing not to sign their kids up for after-school programs lately. I’ve noticed more and more families opting to keep the kids at home instead of sending them to the local community center or school-run daycare.
I had this idea that the whole "modernized testing" approach to schooling would actually make sense in neighborhoods where kids only have after-school care during first grade. I figured if a second grader is staying until 8:00 PM—or even later sometimes—they’d be able to stay on their own without much trouble. But I was honestly surprised to find out it doesn't really work like that, mostly because they aren't even signing up for after-school programs back in first grade.
Beyond just the cost, I think there's a real issue with kids being stuck in school for way too long. Honestly, I’m inclined to agree with that point—especially when you consider that most kids don't even get a chance to head out to the playground around noon or 1:00 PM to just run around and burn off some energy.

It’s worth noting that things like language classes or sports programs are usually treated as extras in preschool—meaning you’re looking at an additional fee on top of tuition. But once the kids hit elementary school, those same activities are typically bundled right into the curriculum for free, covered under their standard language arts and PE requirements. 😕
I honestly don't quite get the logic behind claiming that starting school a year later actually saves money. It feels like a bit of a misunderstanding of how much things really cost. In reality, you’re just adding an entire extra year of expenses to the tally. If anything, pushing it back just stretches out the financial commitment.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Benjamin Nelson8 said:I’ve had two different experiences here-
My oldest was born on April 7th. He practically begged to start school early because he was already bored out of his mind in preschool; he could already read and write, though he absolutely hated coloring. He breezed through all the assessments, but the teachers advised against it, suggesting he should just keep playing for a bit..
That ended up causing issues once he actually started school, mainly because he would get frustrated having to write lists of five animals or repetitive vocabulary over and over again (since he’d basically spent two years doing "school" work in preschool). Either he knew everything instantly and finished his work way too fast because it was mindless, or he’d just end up distracting the rest of the class. 😁
Now, toward the end of second grade, things have finally leveled out because the curriculum has actually become challenging enough to pique his interest.

My younger one is a completely different kid temperamentally—much more patient and level-headed. We are currently looking into early enrollment for him (born May 6th). He handled the Tetsov assessments brilliantly. His focus is actually better than his older brother's, and so is his persistence.
He has this real sense of responsibility; he remembers and tracks everything that happens to him (something his older brother still occasionally struggles with)..

The oldest is still playing most of the time; the only real obligation he takes seriously is his reading assignments.
Honestly, I don't think he'll lose anything by starting this year. There's zero challenge for him in preschool; they mostly just play board games like Sorry! 😁 and he finds it incredibly boring....

I actually find managing a school-aged child much easier than a preschooler (even though I thought it would be the exact opposite).
We drop him off in the morning since it's on our way to work, and he just comes home on his own to grab a snack. You don't need to write a formal apology for being absent for a couple of days. I just jot a note in the parent communication log explaining why he wasn't there and clarify that we didn't visit a doctor.
In the lower grades, missing a few days for travel isn't even an issue (some friends were just away for 12 days in Thailand, and my boy didn't miss anything significant at all)..

From what I understand, the whole excuse note situation varies quite a bit depending on the school district, and even more so depending on the individual teacher.
According to this year's handbook, parents have to sign off on medical excuses, but the actual number of days a parent can justify without a doctor's note is pretty small🤷

What I meant was, school is a commitment—it's not like daycare. It actually just hit me that we won't be back in the States for two months🤷
Even for someone like me, who doesn't hold any strong opinions about schooling, I'm not the type to pull my kid out of class just because I feel like traveling or because I have a gap in my work schedule and want to bring them along...

Yesterday, I was chatting with some people who didn't get early enrollment last year (around the same time of year). What was driving them was actually the finances; they were talking about their bills and how much easier school makes their household budget this year.
It honestly surprised me that people calculate how much cheaper school is compared to other options😕, because I've always felt that the older kids get, the more expensive everything becomes.
Extended stays - what are your experiences? in Students & Teens ·
Does the daily rate get reduced if my child ends up being sick?
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Michelle Nelson4 said:I suppose you could look at it this way: there’s this lingering perception that they're being transitioned from a state of pure bliss into a much harsher reality. It feels like we're essentially robbing these poor kids of one more year of living in a carefree bubble.

I honestly feel like most kids actually crave a life filled with responsibilities and the little challenges that come along with school. A lot of this push for delaying things seems entirely unnecessary to me. It feels like parents approach it from the perspective of, "What if I were given a year of total freedom right now?" But you can't just jump into that—you have to go through years of schooling and building a foundation first. In general, I struggle to understand this widespread negative attitude toward education. Even when you account for the inevitable growing pains and the initial adjustment period, I think for most kids in those early elementary years, school is actually a pretty great experience.

I get the impression that for some kids, a gap year is actually necessary, whereas for others, it’s completely unneeded, but parents insist on it because they want to protect them or just make things easier for themselves.
(In reality, you have to drop your kid off at school every single morning by 8:00 AM; daycare is much more flexible, but for school, you need official doctor's notes for absences—you can't just decide to fly out to Thailand on a whim or head off on a summer vacation in June or September...)
I don't view school as something difficult (not at all; honestly, my own kid might find it a bit boring), but the fact remains that you're sending your child to an institution where you have very little choice, being taught by people you can't really pick, and those people have such a massive influence on your children... especially when you're already happy with their current daycare; it's hard to pull them away from that comfort zone.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
hiddendriver34 said:You're totally overlooking how much pressure a principal can put on teachers during those faculty meetings to get them to raise their hands.😁

It's a bit of both, really.😁
That unspoken pressure can also come from having "someone on the inside" who's looking to sabotage things behind the scenes.

I really hope there are still schools out there that are collaborative and full of energy.
And I truly hope things start looking up soon.

Honestly, I'm just frustrated that they haven't pulled that funding back from the European Union yet.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Rachel Jones8 said:@miss daisy
If they started with less than 6 credits, she definitely should've asked for an early enrollment. I heard it was only for kids born after March 31st, so this must be a total outlier.

The application process is exactly the same whether a child’s birthday is in April or October.
Since the pediatric department doesn't have the child on their list yet, parents have to step in and request early enrollment through the full official procedure.

It’s the same deal when you want to defer enrollment. If a kid turns 6 right at the end of March, you still have to submit an official request for a deferral because they’re already entered into the school district's system.
You can't just delete them from the roster; there has to be a documented reason on file. Plus, some parents just prefer to avoid the stigma of having a younger child in class.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Like I mentioned before, you can request an early start, though I should note that when I was looking into enrollment back in Washington, D.C., I saw one form that allowed kids to jump in early if they were turning six by August 31st, even though the broader state guidelines or local district policies seemed to say the cutoff was closer to December 31st.

They also allow for a deferral for kids born before March 31st who don't seem to be quite ready, as long as the parent feels they aren't mature enough yet and can get a formal sign-off from their preschool's specialist team.

In my experience, the school districts here don't really make a fuss about delaying a year; honestly, it feels like they're much more open to letting a kid stay back than they are to letting a little kid skip ahead.

It’s pretty much the same way things worked when we were growing up. I ended up in classes with kids who were a full year older than me, but also mixed in with kids who were maybe six months younger—like a close friend of mine who was a November baby and started school just before she hit six.

The official handbook definitely lists December 31st as the cutoff date.
Even if a kid is totally ready, they usually can't skip ahead if they haven't completed the preschool curriculum. That’s where that August 31st date gets confusing; that's typically when kindergarten groups are finalized, unless they're using mixed-age classrooms where a child might naturally start tackling more advanced work much earlier (if you ask me, that whole system is just a bit nonsensical).
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:So, the schools haven't been selected yet?
We have a new principal at my school, and I'm just crossing my fingers that she's enthusiastic and proactive enough to actually get us signed up. 😁

It looks like they haven't.
Actually, I see that as a major upside, since it keeps everything aligned with the competition schedule. 🙏
(It does sting a little bit, though...
Quincy:
The main rule for selecting schools will be that the faculty has to reach a unanimous decision to participate, and they'll also need parental consent.
Which basically means if even one person at the school is against it, the whole school is out. I really hope they can find 48 schools where everyone is on board.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
rowdypanther12 said:It’s honestly pretty heartbreaking when a child starts school with speech impediments, only for us to realize that no specialists stepped in to help earlier.
I saw this happen in real life once—the pediatrician just brushed off a lisp, saying there was plenty of time for it to fix itself. Meanwhile, the preschool teachers didn't say a word to the parents.
Luckily, the kid was enrolled in an intensive program recently, and from what I hear, they're making really fast progress.

In our local daycare, we actually have a speech therapist on staff who is fantastic at spotting issues in kids as young as three. However, she really only works with them once they reach preschool age; before that, the responsibility falls entirely on the parents.
Basically, that means you either pay out of pocket for private sessions or you wait for public services. And waiting for public services often feels like waiting until the very last year of preschool, since those specialists have long waiting lists and usually prioritize the oldest kids right before they head to kindergarten.

I know quite a few cases where people discussed delaying school entry during the preschool years, but rarely while the child was already in school (including one instance at a school in a more rural area where enrollment was low😠). I won't even begin to tell you how much those kids struggle to keep up with the curriculum.
Not to mention, the decision most often goes toward sending the entire preschool group to school together just so no child feels isolated or left behind. Personally, I think having mixed-age groups in childcare is such a huge advantage—having two different ages in one room means if half the group moves on to school, the other half stays, which keeps things stable.

It really frustrates me when a parent visits the school nurse or counselor in April and gets told, "If you start speech therapy now, they'll be fine by the time school starts."
In reality, four or five months is a significant amount of time and a lot can be accomplished, but you have to factor in summer break and the fact that getting an appointment isn't always instant. Sometimes you can't even get an opening within those five months.

Regarding the maturity levels of boys versus girls... there are studies suggesting that, generally speaking, girls (around the 6 to 7-year-old mark) are a bit more ready for the classroom environment.
That’s a real factor to consider, especially regarding motor skills. Schools tend to be set up for girls who can sit still more easily, whereas boys are often still in high-energy, constant-movement mode.

Of course, I don't want to generalize too much. My daughter prefers climbing trees and being active, whereas urbantinker8's son is much more into sitting down with worksheets. There are plenty of exceptions on both sides, so you really have to weigh a child's specific strengths and weaknesses.
And, naturally, you have to look at everything the preschool environment offers the child during that final transition year.
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
Hey there, they say it's happening

And guess what? Schools are being selected at the 🙏 🙏 🙏
competition.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Down at our local preschool, they provide a progress report for every single kid finishing up, but they mostly zero in on social-emotional maturity—stuff like how the kid plays in a group, if they’ve been accepted by their peers, and what they’re actually interested in.

Meanwhile, the actual "testing" they do once they get to elementary school only lasts about 1.5 hours, not 10 minutes.

I'm totally with the idea that we should be asking the preschool teachers for their take, but I have to reiterate: if a kid can't pronounce sounds correctly, it's going to be a massive hurdle when they try to learn how to write words, which is basically the foundation of everything in school.
To me, spending a year working with a speech therapist is infinitely more important than the kid being able to walk into class alongside their little buddies, assuming the school doesn't completely miss the mark on detecting speech issues (though parents usually notice too; at 6.5 years old, a child should be speaking clearly, so any slurred sounds, flipped syllables, or messy pronunciation is definitely a red flag).

how it goes ☕
In my experience, one session lasted 12 minutes, then another 5 minutes with her and her dad.

Preschools here, especially in big cities like Chicago, seem to have better access to specialists like psychologists or speech therapists. It feels like the psychologists in these preschool settings have way more testing tools available than the elementary schools do.
At least for now, before they start cutting those budgets.
Plus, they get the benefit of daily observation within the classroom, which I think provides such valuable insight into a child's development.
Our school didn't even ask for the preschool's assessment, even though we had it ready (they basically told us we could bring it along if we felt it was necessary).

It’s actually quite rare for a preschool to proactively suggest a child stay back another year. Unless the parents notice it themselves and speak up, the school rarely initiates that conversation unless things are absolutely hitting the fan.
And honestly, you hear a lot of clichés. They'll say, "Well, everyone else in the group is moving on, so he should too."
Or, "Look how tall he is! Just imagine him in a year."
And parents often hesitate and just enroll them anyway because of that.

At the end of the day, an extra year won't ruin a kid's life. They'll make friends along the way, and even if they happen to be the tallest kid in class, they'll end up with better speech, better fine motor skills for writing, and a much easier time grasping the curriculum...

I'm speaking from experience seeing kids struggle with schoolwork simply because
they weren't truly ready for it. The more they struggle academically, the less happy they become, and that can really take a toll on their social and emotional well-being later on...

Now that I'm navigating this as a parent myself, I can tell you that these school entrance tests are pretty much useless.
(Setting aside the rare exceptions, of course.)

It doesn't surprise me at all that some kids slip right through the cracks without any real analysis—kids who still have the handwriting of a toddler or major speech impediments.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Kate Morgan14 said:Based on my own experience, I’d strongly suggest holding off—even if you have a young child who would be turning 6.5 when they hit first grade...

Speech development and clear pronunciation of all sounds are absolutely critical for first grade; otherwise, you run into a domino effect of other issues. Reading and writing become significantly harder to master if the kid can't distinguish certain sounds or recognize them properly.
You really need to see a speech therapist—ideally twice a week...
Without those skills, word analysis and synthesis—which are vital before starting school—just won't happen.

I dealt with this exact issue with my daughter. We struggled through the entire first grade; we were working with her every single day, she was in after-school programs, and it wasn't until the very end of the year—thanks to constant speech therapy sessions—that she finally reached a normal level.

And that's despite the fact that she was officially assessed as "mature and ready" for school and had even seen a specialist before enrollment...

Those pre-enrollment assessments aren't reliable or accurate. No one can sit down for ten minutes and decide if your child is truly ready or not—parents are the ones who know best.

A friend of mine had a child who was already seven, but given what happened, she would have waited until the child turned eight to enroll. It was nothing but stress, exhaustion, and endless tears throughout first grade. It wasn't until second grade that everything finally clicked and she was actually ready for school. A single year makes a massive difference.

I don't understand why anyone would push a child into something they aren't prepared for. There is plenty of time to go to school, and honestly, it doesn't matter at all whether they start a little earlier or a little later.

I definitely agree that a ten-minute assessment isn't going to give us an accurate picture, but I have to disagree that parents are the ultimate authority on readiness.
From my own experience, I don't think we always have the clearest perspective.
Of course, a parent's opinion matters deeply, but if we are already going through the trouble of scheduling evaluations—and dragging ourselves from local clinics to various school districts—then those assessments really ought to be higher quality.
Plus, most of us end up taking time off work (if not a full day off) just to handle these appointments, which are rarely scheduled at times that actually work for busy families.

Personally, I think more weight should be given to the input from preschool programs, especially if the child attended for more than just that final mandatory year. Though, even that's a bit tricky, since those institutions sometimes feel pressured to "clear out" their rosters to make room for new kids coming in. 🙂

As it stands now, daycare centers are only required to provide feedback for school placement if there's an early enrollment request or if delaying entry is absolutely necessary—usually at the parent's initiative.
To me, that feels insufficient, especially if the parent doesn't proactively push for it.

I really believe these reports should be provided for everyone, particularly because schools with high enrollment numbers often rush through testing in just 10 or 12 minutes.
School closures/delays? in Students & Teens ·
Chris Fowler4 said:Hey everyone,

My kid just took his elementary school readiness assessment, and the verdict was that he isn’t quite "ready" for first grade yet. To be fair, he was born right on the cutoff line, so he’ll be among the oldest in the next cohort if we wait. And look, I get it—it makes sense to listen to the experts and just hold him back a year.
But here’s the thing: at his preschool, he’s already made a tight group of friends. We really don't want to rip him away from them, especially since there aren't many kids his age living nearby, and there won't be any in the next grade level either. Plus, the kid is actually genuinely excited to start "big kid" school.
The main sticking point from the testing was his speech; apparently, he isn't perfectly clear yet. As for everything else, he did pretty well—most areas were solid, and some were actually above average.
We’d love for him to move forward, though we aren't trying to force the issue. I don't think he'll fall behind academically because, honestly, he already knows what he needs to know. For instance, he’s got his letters down and can handle addition up to 10 without breaking a sweat.
So, I'm wondering what the options are here. Is the admissions committee the final word on this, or is there a way to present our own arguments and reasoning to convince them that he’s ready to jump in now?

If the biggest issue is his speech, I'd highly recommend seeing a speech therapist and getting him started on some sessions immediately.
Delaying school doesn't really solve much if you aren't actively addressing the underlying reason for the delay.
It’s also worth figuring out exactly what needs work—is it something that can be smoothed over in a couple of months, or is it something that will require a full year of therapy?

I'm assuming he didn't attend a formal preschool program, but maybe check in with his current teachers to see what their take is on holding him back?
School Reform: Thoughts? in Students & Teens ·
silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

Math, physics, chemistry, computer science, foreign languages...
it’s basically everything.
Unfortunately, you end up with very few decent candidates; they're either absolute fanatics about their subject or they're "too good for this job" types (and honestly, sometimes you can't even find anything better).
😢

The reality is, you can't make a decent living on a standard teacher's salary. You either have to pick up side gigs or marry into money.
Some people do private tutoring, which often works on a "my friend's kid comes to me, then I go to my friend's kid" kind of basis.
And it's not uncommon for professors who are actually quite terrible at teaching in a traditional school setting to be top-tier private tutors.
Then there's the fatigue factor—if you're working both a school job and a side hustle, you're going to be exhausted. It's usually better to be tired from your main job than tired from a side gig.
But only parents really support this setup. If there wasn't such high demand, the supply would dry up quickly.

silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

Personally, I think all of that will happen never.

silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

I was actually mentioning this recently: if they raise salaries (including those bonuses for longevity, anniversaries, or whatever else), they'll claim the profession chose the money over the actual reform.
In fact, I've even heard whispers in certain circles that the reform shouldn't have happened at all—that they should have just given that money to the teachers' salaries instead, which would mean the reform wouldn't even be necessary.🤦

I’ve been noticing something strange happening with elementary schools in major cities like Chicago. You have certain schools that are barely scraping by with enough students for just one or maybe two grades—so they start inventing all these fancy specialized programs just to keep teachers on the payroll. They throw in random projects or extra foreign language tracks just to lure kids away from the overcrowded neighborhoods. Meanwhile, in those crowded areas, students are dealing with double shifts, barely any after-school care, and classrooms packed with 30 or 40 kids per grade, all while being funded at the exact same rate.

I don't know, it just seems silly to me to be running the heat and electricity in half-empty buildings, let alone maintaining a double staff when birth rates are dropping everywhere.
And honestly, the best part is how people use the "old neighborhood" argument to push for mergers, which just ends up cutting down on janitors, support staff, and specialist teams... they compare those situations to rural towns in places like rural Montana or the islands, where, well, you obviously can't just drive your kid to a big city school for convenience.

silentraven6 said:The fact that some works are missing could definitely be an issue, but there's an easy fix for that: just put together a task force 😁 and coordinate with the other professors to schedule when those pieces should be covered.

Honestly, I think this is mostly about supporting young American authors. I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving them more recognition, printing new editions, and getting them into libraries—really, I don't see a problem at all. Since everyone loves talking about patriotism so much, why not actually show it on a cultural level by backing our rising American writers?

It’s also a perfect chance to digitize books, kind of like what Pixar does. All of this drives national growth and development; it makes contemporary authors way more accessible and opens up fresh areas for interpretation and new themes.

Now, if I have one grievance with the list, it's that the bibliography is incomplete. I really wish they had included the publishers and publication years at the end of each entry. I'm curious to see which publishers are most represented here—that's where you might run into some shady business, I agree.

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I agree with that too.

Personally, I’m all for digitalization, but not when it comes to elementary schoolers. For them, I still prefer the feel of actual sheets of paper.
But... then you run into the whole issue of technical accessibility. Does every parent actually have a tablet or a Kindle? What is the kid supposed to read it on? (Call me old-fashioned here, but I'm a huge believer in fairness and making sure no one gets left behind 😬).

Plus, I'm not convinced schools will be able to afford it financially.
To start with.
In the long run, absolutely.
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Gary Taylor50 said:If something is that demanding, you don't even need to read it at home; just cover it during class. You aren't going to develop lifelong trauma over it. Frankly, I can't think of anyone complaining about anything more than that Judit story or those fishing tales.
Why on earth wouldn't you put *Children from the Station Zoo* on the list? A child psychologist—my neighbor's mom—handed that one to us when we were thirteen, claiming that, in her professional opinion, it's incredibly motivating for kids that age.
I truly believe we should be teaching and openly discussing certain societal issues right there in the classroom. Sweeping things under the rug and chanting "that doesn't happen to us" achieves absolutely nothing for society.

,"they’ll integrate it—meaning they'll make sure the topics don't overlap too much between subjects."
I don't get this. Why shouldn't things overlap? Wouldn't it be way more interesting to learn about a train station in biology class and then immediately dive into it from a chemistry perspective? That's how you actually grasp the concept—by getting the full picture. Or learning about ancient Mesopotamia in history class while simultaneously studying the geography of the region.

As for us, we were covering those classics back in '93.
I never even picked that book up in the library. 🤷
But we did study it in depth back in high school.
I didn't discover Kundera or Hesse until my senior year of high school, thanks to my English teacher.

Like I mentioned, I discovered *Children of the Station* all on my own because I spent so much time hanging out in the library (which, back in my day, was a brand-new building with lovely librarians).
That's how I found so many other great books, too.

Speaking of libraries, I've heard both angry parents and school staff mention that the issue isn't just what's on the reading list, but the fact that these books aren't even in the libraries to begin with. Especially if you move away from downtown Los Angeles and into a local library that serves four or five schools in the district—where you have multiple classes per grade, each with over 25 students.
You might only find five copies of a specific title on the shelf.
And in smaller school libraries, it's even tougher unless they happened to receive a random donation.
Don't even get me started on the rural libraries outside the big cities... 🙂

So, that aspect needs to be considered. I worry this could end up being another hollow reform—like they mandate a curriculum but don't provide the funding. Or worse, it looks like they're just pushing certain authors just to boost their sales.