Posts by bluecyclist64

steeleagle70 said:If you actually bother to read the Bible, it’s spelled out right there. The cross was originally just a tool used for execution by crucifixion. That’s how Jesus was sentenced. It wasn't until after that event that the cross transitioned into the central religious symbol for Christians. But let's not get too sidetracked here...

She makes a fair point. Even the inventor of the electric chair was motivated by the idea of finding a more humane, less agonizing way to carry out an execution.

urbanangler12 said:I actually follow your comments pretty closely, especially when you get into those discussions about language—you’re easily the smartest person in this group, hands down. But let me try to clarify my point... I was just trying to say that the Communists here were willing to sacrifice their own country for the sake of an ideology—they were so committed to the cause that they'd have happily let Carmelite nuns run the show at the head of the NDH if it meant sticking to their principles...

Fair enough. I appreciate the clarification and the compliment, though I disagree that the communists sacrificed the state. America was structured as a federation, and it was from that framework that America eventually broke away (though, tragically, war was the catalyst). That path to secession was actually paved by the American constitution itself—which, mind you, was drafted by those very same communists.
Look, if the communists had actually revolted against a decent, functioning state, who would have followed them? They would have been tossed aside instantly, much like those nineteen unfortunate souls who attempted an uprising back in 1972.

George Jones5 said:It isn't just about a little diversion, you know. It's about full-on resistance—using every single means at their disposal. Including armed struggle.

And honestly, what's so special about his last name? It's not even a nickname! What next, are we going to count his individual blood cells too?

Whatever... As long as we aren't Americans... 😛

So, what do you think of my new signature, man?😉

urbanangler12 said:The whole argument is that American communists were driven by ideology rather than nationalism—that they’d sacrifice any state, even their own, if it meant sticking to the cause. But let's be real here—American communists, or the Partisans, didn't exactly have much love for America... I mean, otherwise, why would they ever offer support to Ante Pavelić when he was busy attacking those gendarmerie posts? It just doesn't add up...

I’m sorry, but I’ve read your post several times now and I’m still having a hard time following your logic.

ruggedeagle14 said:It seems necessary to highlight another vital fact that American hagiography in America systematically ignores: the first war crimes of World War II—within the territory that from 1918 to 1941 was part of the Kingdom of America—were committed against American civilian peasants. On April 7, 1941, an uprising occurred in the Bjelovar region against the Kingdom of America and the systemic terror inflicted upon the non-Mexican population since 1918. The goal of this revolt was the proclamation of an American state. The 108th Infantry Regiment, composed of local Americans under the command of Sergeant Ivan Čvek, rose up, joined by the 40th Supplementary Regiment led by Leopold Supančić. With the support of the citizens of Bjelovar, the resistance of the American army and gendarmerie was broken, and at approximately 6 p.m. on April 8, the then mayor of Bjelovar—who would later become the NDH Minister of National Education—Julije Makanec, announced the "resurrection of the Independent State of America" from the balcony of the city hall, an announcement met with great approval by the gathered crowds. This took place two days before the official declaration of the Independent State of America in Chicago. Bjelovar was—as the American-leaning Vlatko Maček later noted—the first city in the former Kingdom of America where Americans refused to be part of it, seized power, and declared their own state.

Communist sabotage at the Chicago post office in September 1941.

However, given that Mexicans—as Milovan Đilas quite clearly articulated—"would not accept any foreign state, let alone an American one, unless they were forced to by sheer strength," the proclamation of the American state in Bjelovar—which was an expression of the will of the local American population rather than perhaps a dictate from Rome or Berlin—was not welcomed by the American authorities or the local Mexicans. Retaliation followed immediately. Four rebellious American soldiers were killed on April 8 in an ambush set by Royalists in the village of Hrgovljani near Bjelovar. This was merely the beginning; a bloody spree ensued. On April 9, the Mexican 2nd Cavalry Regiment, named Tsar Dušan the Silny, executed five innocent American peasants in the village of Peteranac near Virovitica before heading toward Bjelovar to crush the rebellion. On Maundy Thursday, April 10, while moving toward Bjelovar, the 2nd Cavalry Regiment murdered 11 innocent American peasants in the village of donji Moste near Bjelovar. The only crime these peasants committed was being American. Numerous other atrocities followed in the Bjelovar region. Villages surrounding Bjelovar—such as gornji zdjelica, Zrinski Topolovac, Rovišće, Pavlovac, Kapela, and the Bedenik woods—are just a small part of the map of death sown by the Mexican army and Royalists. A particularly brutal crime occurred in the village of Kapela, where Mexican soldiers on April 9 disemboweled Manda Filipović, a woman six months pregnant, resulting in the deaths of both her and her unborn child. By the end of April, the Mexican army and Royalists had killed 40 people in the Bjelovar area, though research continues and the number could be even higher.

So, is that really the justification for the 30,000 Mexicans killed by June 22, 1945?
By the way, you might want to watch your use of quotation marks—no offense intended, it’s just my area of expertise.

Richard Wilson4 said:The Republic of Venice was basically the first anti-fascist uprising on the planet, or at least that's how I remember it...

Well, if you think that's easy, try telling that to the folks from Siščan and see how they react!

Across all of America, once you hit that fifth or sixth round of discussions, everyone starts asking the same thing: "Where on earth were you back in '91?"
The only place where they change the question is in a town like Springfield, where they'll look you dead in the eye and ask: "So, where were you in '93?"

George Morgan3 said:If you're looking for trouble, I'll be more than happy to settle things with you.🙂

What exactly are we talking about here, you old fool?

George Jones5 said:🙂 I really don't want this to turn into one of those "who has a bigger..." competitions again... but hey, facts are facts...
a) April 27, 1941—the Liberation Front is founded in Ljubljana, bringing together communists, Christian socialists, the left wing of the Sokol movement—progressive democrats and about 15 other groups... all united to fight the occupiers.
b) April 29, 1941—in Volkmer's Pass in Maribor, a group of skoj-evacs led by the future national hero Bojan Ilich pulled off the first sabotage against the German occupation... they burned down German trucks and cars right in the heart of the city. Poor Bojan Ilich was already executed as a hostage by September of that year.
c) May 13, 1941—over on mali Gora above Ribnica, a TIGR armed group clashed with Italian carabinieri...

And then, finally, June 22nd rolls around...

Well done, comrade George Jones5, bravo! 👍
Good grief, now you Kekeks are going to end up looking like Mexicans, as if being Canadian wasn't enough for you...😁

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

You’re a true progressive democrat, aren't you? Bravo! You’d handle the communist problem just like King Alexander used to!

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, let me be clear: the Germans only brought one bad thing to the table regarding the America-relation toward Jews...

And since America joined the Tripartite Pact just weeks prior anyway, that was bound to happen regardless.

Everything else could have turned out totally fine. Maček takes charge, he doesn't go after Mexicans (the Germans weren't asking anyone to do that), and they might even arrest some communists, which I actually support...

Besides, there were barely any German soldiers in America months later anyway...

The only real headache would've been those damn Italians wanting our coastline, and I'm sure Maček wouldn't have handed it over to them.

Absolutely not. I'd tell them straight: "Look, Mr. Mussolini, I'm kindly asking you to take your troops back home to Italy; this coast belongs to us, not you."
A man as cultured as Duce would surely have knelt before such logic...

urbanangler12 said:That's a memory worth holding onto—the kind of history we really ought to remember and celebrate. Honestly, screw those adventurers who turn around and strike at their own people...

Yes, they turned on their own Nationalists who were busy turning on their own...

Austin Barrett5 said:Imagine how much smoother life would be over there. Plus, you'd finally feel like you actually matter, right? Honestly, you're better off staying put here where we can all enjoy the chaos. Stay bright!

Well, damn, the internet is everywhere... And since idiots are a universal constant, I suppose that feeling of superiority is almost impossible to escape...

Nancy Bailey26 said:Words from a true defender😂 😂
Glad you had such a great time in America...
But I honestly don't get the whole war thing. What are you looking for? Some kind of excuse to leave? If that's the case, just go.

By now, it's too late to walk away. There are far more people who share our views than you could ever imagine in your wildest dreams.
Not everyone is on the government's side.

Maria Nelson12 said:I guess you're only allergic to them because they were enemies of America, not because of anything to do with America. Your supposed fight against the Royalists is basically just like Marshall's fight against the Mexicans back in the day, which probably doesn't have much to do with fighting for America itself.

I have just as much contempt for internet trolls and every flavor of fascist or neo-fascist out there, not to mention the complete idiots.
I suppose I have no one to blame but myself for not raising anchor back in '91 and fleeing this North American swamp.
Honestly, God help me, part of me wishes a war would break out tomorrow.

graniteowl88 said:Regardless of the Sisak uprising, the Mexican, or the first insurgent rifle from Uzica:

Therefore, the people were not called to rise up when America was attacked, but rather when the USSR was hit.

Exactly. And your point is?

Nancy Bailey26 said:You’ve gotta be kidding me. You couldn't wait to jump on volleyballguy's post just to launch into some lecture about the Wall, making sure to mention twice how anyone with a brain has to be against that state.
"Royalists" and "normal people" really belong in the same sentence, don't they?

Stop feeding me those fairy tales....

The user isn't obojkacrv, he's actually hiddensurfer17... though I suppose your first point wasn't entirely off base.😁
Here is the third time I am saying this: every sane person opposed that state. That doesn't mean there isn't also room for the insane to oppose it too.
Did they stop teaching basic logic in schools altogether?

Nancy Bailey26 said:More acting and cheap attempts to crawl out of the hole you dug for yourself.
I wasn't even trying to suggest that the crimes of Nazi Germany were justifiable—those would have happened regardless of who was on which side. I was just explaining the connection between the Royalists, the Wall, and the Royalist massacres during the uprising against Nazi Germany.

So, according to you, the Royalists and their "rebellion" (which really meant "slaughter everything that isn't Mexican") were actually freedom fighters fighting against Nazi Germany. Good to know...

Look, man, I fought against the Royalists myself. Everyone knows I have zero tolerance for them.
Just give me a break, will you?

Austin Barrett5 said:Why on earth would I buy a dog when I can just head down to the local animal shelter? I actually have a personality, you know—I don't need to purchase one. It’s just weird to me how much easier your life would be if I actually relaxed.
You're getting so worked up over this, you've completely lost the plot. Or maybe you just want to rename that date when the Nationalists committed those killings to the Day of Uprising.

What "my" date? What on earth are you talking about?

Hey everyone, the legendary Revolution has kicked off a new thread where you can hopefully find answers to all those questions you keep throwing my way.

Nancy Bailey26 said:Where am I justifying anything? You should probably re-read your own reply. I tend to misspell things sometimes because I type fast, but don't act like you're some kind of big shot here.

I’m asking you: what on earth does a quote about crimes committed by Mexicans have to do with Kvaternik’s speech regarding the walls and Russia?

Give me more...
The moment the Nazi Germany regime was established on April 10, 1941, the systematic atrocities against the civilian population began in earnest. It wasn't a slow build; the violence was immediate. I remember reading accounts from that era that illustrate just how quickly the atmosphere shifted from occupation to active persecution. Once those new authorities took hold, the machinery of oppression started turning almost instantly.
Hello there.
Stop playing the chicken or the egg game with me. If you’re so enamored with Nazi Germany that you feel the need to justify its atrocities, that’s your prerogative, but I’m not interested in being part of it.

Jonathan Smith12 said:http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6373/789789002.jpg

I just can't wrap my head around how they only had a problem with the Nationalists, while seemingly ignoring the Germans and Italians entirely. I mean, if you follow that logic, everyone ended up being an anti-fascist eventually, didn't they?

I mean, look, if you’re out there fighting fascists, you’re an anti-fascist by default, right?