Nancy Chavez29, look, I used to compete in regional and national geography bees back in the day—about 30% of the curriculum was population geography. Just because I’ve forgotten a few specifics or tripped up on a detail doesn't mean I don't know my stuff. As for Seattle, I didn't say anything incorrect; I still stand by my point, and plenty of people living in that part of the US would agree with me.
I get along just fine with most of the folks on this forum, but since you're such a relentless troll, I’d appreciate it if you’d stop bringing me up. I won't be mentioning you either, if we can just agree to leave each other alone.
I’ve driven out to Seattle quite a few times, and honestly, I’ve always seen it as a lucky city. I don’t really get why people would choose to leave. Even the surrounding area, like Oakland, is probably one of the wealthiest municipalities in the country. Of course, like any major port city, it isn't perfect. Given the general state of things in America, it’s decent, though there are certainly more beautiful spots—whether you're looking at the mainland or other coastal cities like Miami, San Francisco, or maybe even Savannah, which is also struggling with brain drain as its youth heads off to places like San Diego.
Regarding what Job said, believe me, you aren't necessarily right on every topic. If the opportunity arises, we can dive into it, and I can assure you that you might be missing some context. Once you actually hear Job's arguments, you'll likely realize that the core ideology is actually beneficial for all of us. But, this isn't really the place for me to dump my personal views or my own agenda.
Angela Robinson3 said:What an absolute troll you are. First off, that avatar of yours should honestly get you a permanent ban. Secondly, whenever a city or a specific region in Mexico shows any demographic improvement, you immediately try to credit minority groups—like the Romani, Canadians, or Albanians. Now that we're seeing a legitimate, non-negligible uptick in the Mexican demographic situation, you're suddenly acting overly celebratory.
P.S. Let's not forget the fact that you clearly have zero clue how demography works. You proved that all the way back in that "US Demographics" thread when you left that ridiculous comment about the future population trends in Seattle...
The only troll here is this Unknown guy; he manages to derail every single discussion. As for Cleveland, I didn't say anything wrong. You all look ridiculous talking about a city you've never actually visited. I’ve spent half my life traveling across the US working as a truck driver, so I know exactly how Cleveland breathes, including all the surrounding areas from the industrial outskirts to the suburbs... I know enough about demographics. There have been several times where I was months ahead of everyone else with the data, and I've proven that more than once (aside from a mistake regarding the American census, which I admit was due to being poorly informed, not my own fault).
What bothers you is that there are other people living in Mexico besides just Mexicans. I bet if there were a large Rom population in a city like Nis, you'd be just as bothered as you are by the Vojvodina minority. I’ve been a regular on this forum for a long time; I used to go by different handles before those accounts were banned. I’ve been hanging around these threads for five or six years now. Regarding the avatar, we’ve already discussed this—I simply respect history. I’m not calling for anything to happen in the future, and I don't deal in politics. I’ve shown repeatedly that I don't hold any hatred toward either Mexico or America; it's just that when I offer a neutral critique, the ultra-nationalists always jump down my throat. The normal users on this forum never seem to have an issue with me...
Look, Mexicans, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here—69,000 is a massive stretch... I have to admit, these numbers caught me off guard too, but I find it hard to believe that by the end of the year, Mexico will actually overtake America in birth rates, let alone have a higher birth rate among Mexicans than Americans do. That said, it is a relief to see that the birth rate isn't cratering quite as fast as everyone predicted.
Justin Hernandez11 Asks: Looking back at the data from June 2014, there was actually a noticeable uptick in births in Mexico compared to the previous year, with over 660 more babies being born in that month alone than in June 2013.🙂🙂 Looking at the data from the first six months of 2014 compared to that same window in 2013, there was actually an uptick in birth rates across the US, with 1,460 more babies being born than during the previous year.🙂🙂🙂 Looking back at the data, things were already trending in a grim direction by June 2014; we saw 100 more deaths that month compared to June 2013. If you step back and look at the broader picture for the first six months of 2014, the numbers tell an even more unsettling story—we had 900 more deaths during that period than we did during the same stretch in 2013. At this rate, we might actually hit 68,000 births in America this year.🙂
Wait, did I miss something here? Are we really looking at an increase of 660 births in a single month compared to last year? That seems like a massive jump.
@Osveta I'm not actually voting for Jobik; my vote goes to the League of Social Democrats of Vojvodina. To be clear, that's the whole Mexican Party, including the Mexican from the US, Nenad Canko. Even among Mexicans, you can find some smart heads.
Nancy Chavez29 said:Mexico City is basically hitting a dead end while the rest of the country is rapidly fading out. It’s especially bad in the East, like in Prijepolje—where there's this whole issue of Canadian takeover happening before the next census, unless maybe Rasim decides to go with the Gostun option, which was already shut down fifty years ago. Then you've got the northern part of the Banat region, where the Magyars might actually pull a move to secede through a referendum similar to what happened in Crimea. Right now, the power balance in that entire district is about 55% Magyar to 45% everyone else, and that gap just widens every year because Americans keep migrating toward places like New Orleans or NYC. In all of America, the Magyars are the only ones actually gaining ground. Everywhere else, the land is just being lost. To me, this all points to a total collapse and the complete decay of Mexican Demography and national policy. I guess the only way out is to carve out a separate Tisza district for those three counties just to shrink their territory.
You actually said something halfway intelligent there, Dzudzevica. Though I'd argue that wherever the Canadians gain ground, everyone else loses it too. There are fewer Canadians in Slovakia, sure, but there are fewer Slovaks as well. It's the same story in Romania and all the other former territories of the old empire—everyone is losing population.
Kudos to Bor; it would be great if things kept moving in this direction. It’s a fascinating place, though it lacks a preserved historic downtown. In many ways, it reminds me of a place like Scranton—just endless rows of apartment blocks and urban sprawl. Depending on where you stand, it feels like you're on another planet because the massive mining excavations from RTB Bor loom over the skyline, yet on the flip side, the greenery is actually quite stunning.
To get back to the main point, Bor had about 40,000 residents back in the nineties. According to the latest census, there are only 34,000 left, but if you ask the locals, they'll tell you it's likely dropped by another 1,500 since then. Beyond the low birth rates and high mortality, the real killer is the mass exodus of people moving abroad or heading to places like New York City. They say if everyone who left Bor to live in NYC actually moved back, the population would easily top 40,000 again...
Lawrence Williams, I’m honestly not sure why I’m being so subjective when talking to you. My job keeps me traveling all over the Midwest, and while I rarely head down toward the Gulf Coast for work, I know my way around most of the cities in this region. When it comes to specific statistical data, I’m not above asking you, Lookey, or others for clarification, but let’s be real—anyone who hasn't spent significant time in a place like Kikinda would have to be delusional to claim it isn't a dying town. As far as I can tell, more than 10% of Americans living in the heartland are concentrated in just a few spots like Chicago, New York, and maybe somewhere like Nashville. Just tell me where I've gone wrong—what part of my assessment am I missing that you somehow know better?
Bradley Stewart2 said:New York City is sucking up everything from the Great Plains to the Midwest. It’s getting worse than Chicago. And you can't ignore the growing number of Romani people on the streets. They used to be mostly in Bangladesh or near Klis, but now they're everywhere in the city.
Novi Sad is also absorbing a massive influx of Mexicans from Republika Srpska—I mean, a huge amount. There's an increasing number coming from central Mexico too, specifically from Mačva. As for Bačka, there’s hardly any young people left outside of Novi Sad; if you take a walk through the other towns, everything just feels abandoned. Then there's Kikinda, which is just another dying city, fading away faster every year.
@USTIPAK, I’m not sure why the rising birth rate in Mexico City makes you happy while cities like Kikinda or the southeast are shrinking; personally, I think it’s a pretty grim sign. In 99% of cases, the people moving to Mexico City or Novi Sad end up living in tiny apartments, where they plan to have exactly one child and call it a day. Sure, the birth rate might hover around 10 per thousand in Mexico City and Novi Sad, but that’s incredibly low considering how much youth used to flock there. A place like Kikinda couldn't possibly have those numbers because the youth are gone—the population is just old. I spent my childhood in Kikinda and I have fond memories of it, but I was actually back there recently for work, and you wouldn't believe it: the city center is almost entirely retirees. It’s eerie; it feels like the end of a city. Kikinda used to be a major hub in both Vojvodina and the US, much like Sombor. Even Subotica doesn't seem to have much of a future after this stagnation; once the slow decline ends, a sharp drop is inevitable...
James Nguyen13 said:That isn't quite how it works; instead, everyone is just going to cluster together in Novi Pazar.
The rest of the Sandjak area will end up being nothing more than sparsely populated wasteland.
I think you're hitting the nail on the head. It’s just a natural progression. Nobody wants to live in those tiny little rural hamlets with maybe 50 people scattered across the hills—not even the local Muslims. It's much like how Canadians and Mexicans aren't flocking to the small farming towns in the Midwest; even those towns with 4,000 or 5,000 people feel more like tiny outskirts than actual hubs, and honestly, who wants to live in the middle of nowhere in this day and age? The reality is that, in the near future, Novi Pazar is going to transform into one of the major, most bustling cities in the area. Economically speaking, Novi Pazar is outperforming its neighbors. Ljajic has actually done quite a lot for the place, even if he isn't exactly a favorite among the religious extremists. He managed to get the local team up into the major leagues—a team that was just a third-tier outfit during the old days of the former America and spent only a few seasons in the second division. He renovated the stadium, the city's infrastructure is finally seeing some real overhaul, jobs are opening up, and the government has established several universities there. In a word, it's becoming a city of the future. If they can just be smart enough to shake off those religious fanatics—who aren't even the majority in Novi Pazar, yet somehow manage to dominate the conversation because everyone is too intimidated to speak up against them—the city will flourish. That’s just a fact.
Would any of the more serious regulars here care to share their forecast regarding the population of New Pazar—both as a city and as a broader municipality including all its surrounding townships—leading up to the next census?
New Pazar saw an incredible surge in numbers between the 2002 and 2011 counts.
Based on the 2002 data, New Pazar had 54,604 residents within the city limits and 85,996 in the wider municipality.
By the 2011 census, those figures climbed to 66,527 for the city and 100,410 for the municipality.
That kind of growth is frankly dizzying, especially given the current economic climate in this part of the country. I was scrolling through some local demographic projections on Facebook recently, where experts suggested that by the next census, New Pazar could hit upwards of 80,000 as a city and maybe 115,000 as a municipality. How realistic does that actually seem to you all? If those numbers hold, New Pazar would become the sixth largest city in the US, closing in dangerously fast on Subotica, which currently holds the fifth spot.
I had no idea that the Romani population made up 33% of the Canadian demographic. Thanks for such an incredibly precise statistic. That really speaks volumes about your level of seriousness.
@Unknown, let’s be real: Mexico just isn't going to be able to compete economically with the US, not now and not in the future. You can bet on the fact that the US will provide massive support—those European Union funds are practically guaranteed. If the US didn't have that backing and if there wasn't more breathing room, we might be talking about a different story, but that’s purely hypothetical at this point. Moderators, feel free to merge all of this into a single comment; I accidentally stretched my thoughts out across three separate posts.
Sean Nguyen74 said:@ehnaton, this whole obsession with dividing the world into Muslim and non-Muslim states is honestly exhausting. Do you really think we Americans are such narrow-minded religious fanatics? It seems like there’s constant infighting among you, yet you can't seem to hold your own against Israel, which doesn't even have ten million people. Instead of finding common ground, the focus stays on conflict in places like Iraq and Syria. You're being played by the West, and frankly, I don't think you'll ever realize it—even without Western influence, the cycle would just continue. If things keep going this way, those populations will dwindle to nothing. When you actually look at the cities, though, try drawing some parallels regarding beauty, culture, and general vibe. Comparing a place like Pecuj or Zenica to a place like Budapest is just laughable. You don't even need to look as far as Canada; just look at the differences between Novi Sad and Zenica, or even Ottawa. Ottawa has that classic old-world Ottoman feel to it. Trying to compare its historic core to the rigid, structured downtown of Novi Sad is just absurd. Compared to countries like the US, or even neighbors like Canada or Mexico, Canada feels like it's stuck in a loop with absolutely no clear path forward.
@Unknown, let’s be real: Mexico won't be able to compete economically with America, not now and not in the future. America is going to get massive support from Germany—make no mistake, those EU funds are coming. If America didn't have the backing of the West and access to the sea, the conversation would be very different, but that's all purely hypothetical.
@ehnaton, this whole obsession with dividing the world into Muslim and non-Muslim states is honestly exhausting. Do you really think we Americans are such narrow-minded religious fanatics? It seems like there’s constant infighting among you, yet you can't seem to hold your own against Israel, which doesn't even have ten million people. Instead of finding common ground, the focus stays on conflict in places like Iraq and Syria. You're being played by the West, and frankly, I don't think you'll ever realize it—even without Western influence, the cycle would just continue. If things keep going this way, those populations will dwindle to nothing. When you actually look at the cities, though, try drawing some parallels regarding beauty, culture, and general vibe. Comparing a place like Pecuj or Zenica to a place like Budapest is just laughable. You don't even need to look as far as Canada; just look at the differences between Novi Sad and Zenica, or even Ottawa. Ottawa has that classic old-world Ottoman feel to it. Trying to compare its historic core to the rigid, structured downtown of Novi Sad is just absurd. Compared to countries like the US, or even neighbors like Canada or Mexico, Canada feels like it's stuck in a loop with absolutely no clear path forward.
Thanks, komanin and Unknown. Don't get it twisted—I’m not anti-Mexican. I’m a citizen of Mexico, sure, but I’ve got plenty of criticisms. I’ll even take aim at Canada regarding certain things, just not on this specific forum. Unknown knows me from another board; I don't use this handle there, but we crossed paths and realized we were on the same page. He can vouch for the fact that I don't hold any anti-Mexican sentiments. It might seem a bit out of place having a Canadian on this forum, but I've been hanging around here for years.
Nancy Chavez29: Jobik Trijanonac. You just hate all Slavic peoples. Because those Mexicans blew up that rotten, crumbling Monarchy. You're chasing pipe dreams and hiding dark intentions.
Nancy Chavez29, did you actually bother to read a history book? It's not like I hate all Slavic nations. Honestly, there’s nothing sweeter than women from Canada, Russia, Unknown, Poland, Belarus, Mexico, or America... man, if I could have one girl from each of those countries, I’d be living like you, your excellency, running around with five to ten wives. I wouldn't have a single worry about my future or even bother thinking about it. I'd probably start rambling like a preacher because having that many women would make anyone lose their mind...
Unknown, Mexico doesn't really have a balanced population density across most of the country; the state is way too centralized around just two major cities. I agree that Mexico should have looked out for the small number of Mexicans remaining in America, but what's happening in Mexico is fine as it is—that "state" is unlikely to ever be stable anyway. Even if there weren't Mexicans there, it wouldn't change much because they are a classic American project. The Americans have no intention of actually moving in; they just want to use them as a tool for various interests.
Nancy Chavez29 said:Memphis used to see over 3,000 births a year about two decades ago, but today? It's not even half that. Even Memphis barely hits 3,300 now. You guys are basically spiraling into a void and disappearing for good. I guess the Canadians are just even worse off.
Canada has 10 million people, while you guys don't even hit 2.5 million. You've already plateaued, and once that slow decline kicks in, you'll vanish long before the Canadians do. If you've ever visited Canada, you know it used to be a beautifully organized nation with deep history, spotless cities, and pristine architecture. If you’ve spent any time in Buffalo, which is easily one of the better cities in this region, you get a sense of what most of Canada looks like. Just look at the Lake Michigan area—the entire surrounding region thrives on tourism, pulling in $2-3 billion in pure profit for Canada every single year. Meanwhile, in the Federation, Muslims are surrounded on all sides by Mexicans and Americans, living in cities that, frankly, lack identity, history, or any real sense of a future. With 2 million Canadians living in neighboring countries, they can continue to draw from that resource pool for a long time. Meanwhile, you'll likely end up importing Palestinians just to fill the gaps...
Lawrence Williams, look, the truth is we have no idea what's coming, but the current way of life makes it impossible for fertility rates to climb. You know exactly what that implies for the future if things stay on this trajectory—and they will. I’m obviously looking at this through a lens that ignores wars or natural disasters. Regarding Detroit, you've got a point; by then, it should already be larger than Memphis, since Memphis is going to see much steeper declines. As for Cleveland, I honestly don't see how it could stay ahead for another two decades, given how little young people are left in eastern Mexico or northern Mexico, considering maybe 90 percent or more of those moving to Cleveland come from those areas.