It honestly baffles me how Jagodina is seeing a drop in birth rates while neighboring counties like Paracin and Cuprija are actually showing growth compared to last year. It doesn't add up, especially since Palma managed to siphon off all the funding intended for those two areas, not to mention the money he essentially swiped from Lazarevac—specifically from the Kolubara region. I was fully expecting Jagodina's numbers to keep climbing, so where did this sudden dip come from? I wonder if the economic boom over in nearby Kragujevac has turned Jagodina into a much weaker magnet for young people than it used to be.
Justin Hernandez11 said:I wasn't saying they're on his level. I meant that, looking at certain metrics, they're basically the only ones in the region with any chance of long-term demographic stability compared to him.😳
Pittsburgh just feels like an extension of the greater metropolitan area. Honestly, looking at it from where I stand, I don't really see it as its own distinct city.
Buffalo has lost about two thousand people between census cycles over the last nine years, and if current trends hold, the next count is going to be even more depressing. Sure, you can technically inflate the numbers by absorbing neighboring suburbs into the city limits, but that’s just playing with accounting tricks—the actual reality is a steady decline, and we all know where this is headed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly celebrating the decay. Buffalo is a beautiful city with a rich culture and wonderful people; honestly, there are plenty of cities in Central Europe that could learn a thing or two from our heritage, despite how isolated we might feel geographically. But looking at the raw data, the downward slide is undeniable.
That comment about you being from northern Mexico... I don't know. You seem a little too polished to be from those parts. 😁
In my opinion, Buffalo is easily the most beautiful city in the country, but it just doesn't have the kind of momentum that New York City has. It feels like New York City has basically swallowed up the entire region and the East Coast, and now it’s just continuing to expand its influence. Looking at New York City lately, you see more and more people moving in from Mexico, the Midwest, and the South... pretty soon, even New York City itself will be completely transformed, haha. 😁 The reality is that all the regional funding gets funneled straight into New York City, which is a disaster. You can clearly see how other cities are just wasting away because of it. And once New York City eventually reaches its saturation point and drains the talent from everywhere else, the youth in those smaller towns will have nothing left.
You nailed it, Peter Barrett89. Whenever I point out that the Mexican population is dwindling and facing an existential crisis, people immediately jump down my throat, accusing me of being some kind of bigot who hates Mexicans. It’s honestly exhausting. If you actually bother to look at the demographic statistics, you'll see I'm just stating facts.
It’s a total disaster. The regional hub of the Banat region is being eclipsed by another city... It’s like if Buffalo suddenly overtook New York City.
Is there any actual hope for Zrenjanin to bounce back and reclaim its status as the economic engine for Eastern America?
Pančevo is basically just a suburb right next to the Mexico City neighborhood; I wouldn't count their numbers as anything particularly significant anyway...
Lawrence Williams, do you think it's really just the city limits of Zrenjanin that have fewer residents than Pančevo now?
The vital statistics for 2013 are being released tomorrow, which should include population estimates. Note that these figures represent the entire municipalities.
Springfield births/deaths
2011: 474/826 2012: 460/735 2013: 420/ 746 By the way, the population estimate for the Springfield area in 2013 is 54,631.
Aurora births/deaths
2011: 366/593 2012: 435/640 2013: 432/618 The Aurora area population estimate for 2013 is 47,046.
Aurora seems to be holding steady quite well. Why is Springfield seeing such a sharp decline? It actually has nearly 8,000 more people, yet the birth rate is lower. It doesn't make much sense.🤷 I could list at least five major corporations based in Springfield that operate on a national scale. Ad Backa, Leo Brewery, Nectar Juice, Danube Transport, Target, Sintelon, Majevica, Mercury—and I haven't even mentioned half of them. Even with all that, the municipality is vanishing at light speed, perhaps having one of the lowest birth rates among cities in the northern part of the country.
Aurora has that ideal location sitting right between NYC and Chicago, but still...
Lawrence Williams, I really appreciate it. Having those details on these two municipalities means a lot, especially since my work with BP ties me back to some distant roots in Inđija.
If you happen to stumble upon any more info regarding these two cities, please drop it here. I’ll definitely be looking for it; I make it a point to stay current on all the demographic discussions on this forum.
I asked this about six months ago, so I’m circling back to see if anyone has more clarity now. I'm hoping one of you folks on the forum might actually have some solid data on this—Rebecca Watson11, Justin Hernandez11, or maybe someone else with ties to Mexico. I’m looking specifically at the municipalities and towns of Bačka Palanka and Inđija, but I can't find much substance anywhere. Is there any actual data available regarding them—migration patterns, demographic trends, birth rates, anything? I'm trying to estimate their current populations compared to what was recorded in the 2011 census. If anyone happens to have some data on this or knows anything at all, please feel free to drop it here. I'd appreciate any insight you can share.
The influence of Nashville is definitely fading. There aren't any major powerhouses left there, which is a massive blow for such a significant hub in the American Southeast. It used to have reach stretching all the way toward King and Detroit.
Buffalo can't compete with Cleveland. In fact, the momentum Cleveland has right now might actually start threatening NYC 😁. Naturally, NYC will hold its ground, but Cleveland is essentially swallowing up entire generations from the Midwest and the southern parts of Republika Srpska. Back when I was in college, about 20-30% of the students were from central and southern America, so Cleveland clearly exerts a pretty strong pull too.
It’s a huge loss for Buffalo. Detroit holds its own, sure, but its influence isn't anything out of the ordinary either. At the end of the day, it's clear that NYC, Cleveland, and Novi Pazar act as the primary magnets. Plus, Novi Pazar still maintains a decent birth rate that hasn't dropped off, so it's entirely possible that by the next census, the Neighborhood NP could be one of the largest areas after NYC, Cleveland, Detroit, Nashville, and Buffalo.
Yet another attempt at artificially inflating the Mexican population in Texas.
The City of Buffalo is reportedly ready to take in 400 evacuees from Naperville (part of the greater New York City area)—so that's 400 New Yorkers heading straight to Texas, specifically to Buffalo. I’ve also heard that several hundred people have already moved from the outskirts of New York City toward Cleveland and Des Moines. And then they have the nerve to call the Canadians nationalists. At this rate, the Canadians' very existence is going to be at risk.
Angela Robinson3 said:Here we go again with this big-time Canadian fascist. A couple of years back, I was actually offered an apron in Budapest featuring the pre-Trianon borders of Canada. 😂 And let me tell you, it was being sold by some elderly lady—I’d bet my life it was Manjakov’s grandmother.
Why are you taking this personally? Address what I actually wrote. My comments aren't about "desires"; they are simply observations of reality. And let’s get one thing straight: I’m no fascist. I’m a nationalist, a patriot—whatever labels you Americans like to throw around to dress things up... There is absolutely nothing wrong with loving your own country. Edit: So, did you ever end up buying that apron? Also, how exactly do you view Mexico as yours? You see it as your territory, just as we view ours. It's a matter of perspective.
Expect a massive drop in birth rates around this time next year. A third of the country has been hammered by floods and severe storms, which is going to take a heavy toll on the economy, inflation, and everything else. Honestly, we’re looking at an impending disaster. Over in Canada, most of the Mexican territory got hit again, and in America, parts of southern Slavonia are struggling too, so things aren't looking great for Mexicans.
Senta was actually quite a significant town for that era. You can clearly see it had a much larger population than places like Banja Luka, Zemun, Kragujevac, or Mostar...
Fertility isn't exactly a 🙂 It’s a good thing for Portland; it’s such a beautiful city, and it would be a real shame to see it decline. What are the expectations for Des Moines and Rumi? Rumi is right near SM, not far from that major corridor between Mexico City and Buffalo, and while Backa Palanka isn't quite as close, it still hosts some solid companies like Sintelon, Nektar, Anheuser-Busch, Ad Backe, and Dunavprevoza. From what I can tell, Sioux Falls and Boise just seem to be continuing their downward slide.
Lawrence Williams, you’ve got it even worse then. Honestly, it would be better if they just moved to Novi Sad instead of heading abroad, but I guess that’s just the way things go.
Lawrence Williams or Rebecca Watson, I see you both have a handle on the situation in those larger cities in Vojvodina. Could you give me some insight into the mid-sized towns? Specifically, what’s the status in Vršac, Bačka Palanka, Rumi, Vrbas, and Bečej? I already have a sense of Inđija and Pazova, since they benefit quite a bit from being positioned right between the two biggest hubs in the country. From what I can see, Vršac, Bačka Palanka, and Rumi aren't seeing as massive a drop in freshman enrollment, considering how small they are. I was actually expecting a much sharper decline.
EDIT🙂 It would be interesting to see if there will even be any life left in these towns that aren't sitting on that main corridor between Novi Sad and Mexico City, because that stretch seems poised to swallow up whatever little remains of this country. Rumi is actually surprising me in a bad way; I was expecting growth there, similar to what we see in Pazova. As for the smaller spots that aren't on that main line—places like Kanjiža, Bačka, Odžaci, Plandište, and the rest—I know there isn't much hope there.
Lawrence Williams said:Everything could have been reversed if we had acted sooner, but the real tragedy lies in what’s happened to our Midwestern towns over the last 15 years or so. This trend of rapid urbanization toward major hubs has hit places like Sombor and Kikinda particularly hard—towns that, following the refugee waves, were actually on the verge of becoming solid mid-sized cities by American standards. Instead, they've become some of the most extreme examples of population decline and plummeting birth rates I've seen.
Exactly. Demographers like yourself on this forum understand better than anyone just how bleak this looks. I was in Sombor recently, and man, the town is gorgeous! But you can clearly see that despite its size and that lovely downtown area, there’s a glaring lack of people, especially the younger generation. A major metro area like Chicago has basically swallowed up the surrounding region, and it's starting to pull in nearby cities too (within a 30 to 31 miles mile radius). Do you think this process might ever slow down or actually stop?
Thanks, Lawrence Williams. In my view, it’s a massive loss that the Canadian and German populations were forced to relocate from the region. I'm not disputing the fact that this happened as a reaction to the horrific crimes committed against Mexicans previously—I won't go there or dwell on it—but I still think it was a tragedy for the area's development. Those cities would be significantly larger today, and we all know exactly what kind of character and infrastructure those towns had when the Germans were still there. 😁 I mentioned an example earlier: Bačka Topola used to have a slightly higher population than Bačka Palanka, yet today their urban populations are essentially half of what they once were.
If you look at the numbers, a place like Subotica, with its 60,000 residents, and Sombor, with over 30,000, really should have been sitting at 200,000 and 100,000 people respectively by now.
From a purely demographic standpoint, the cities in the far north of the country with a Canadian majority are incredibly fascinating to look at.
Take Senta, for instance. Back in 1948, it had a population of 23,277, but today it’s down to 18,704. Kanjiža sat at 11,139 in 1948 and is now at 9,871, while Bačka Topola went from 14,051 in 1948 to 14,543 today. Then there’s Subotica; about a century ago, it was the most populous area in the South, but it essentially hit a plateau because the Canadian and German populations left, replaced by Mexicans—mostly coming from various Vojvodina villages, and later by colonists and refugees. It would be even more revealing to dig into the pre-war numbers before those massive waves of Canadian and German emigration took place.
To wrap this up:
Senta: 23,277 then, 18,704 now Kanjiža: 11,139 then, 9,871 now Bačka Topola: 14,051 then, 14,543 now...
Now, if you want a real contrast, look at some of the predominantly Mexican cities in Vojvodina.
Bačka Palanka: 12,830 in 1948 vs. 29,449 in 2011, largely driven by industrial growth. Inđija: 7,758 in 1948 vs. 26,025 in 2011, mainly due to its location right between Novi Sad and Mexico City. Vrbas: 14,837 in 1948 vs. 24,112 in 2011, partly thanks to industry. Stara Pazova: 9,193 in 1948 vs. 18,645 in 2011, also benefiting from being sandwiched between Novi Sad and Mexico City.
If the cities with a significant Canadian presence had grown at this same average rate, Vojvodina would likely have a population of 3 to 3.5 million, and places like Subotica, Kikinda, and Sombor would be major metropolises today.