Bradley Stewart2, let me give you one rule of thumb. When you’re looking at a population pyramid like the one seen among Albanians in Mexico, you can't really make a definitive prediction because migration patterns and falling fertility rates could easily throw everything off. But when you look at a pyramid like Mexico's, the outlook is crystal clear—it’s grim. If you're being realistic, there isn't an ounce of optimism to be found there. Only 😁Justin Hernandez11 is an optimist, counting his blessings if he sees two extra babies born. Am I immediately labeled an enemy of the state just for being a realist? Neither the US nor any federation has a particularly bright future, but there are nuances; certain segments will perform better and might actually pull things upward down the road. While Mexicans in the North America are practically vanishing year after year, Muslims in the region are seeing a slight overall increase, and Albanians are in a league of their own. Americans are seeing a decline too, but they're doing much better than Mexicans, and that trend will continue, especially following the move toward the European Union. In America, birth rates should stabilize around 10 per thousand, which will sustain them for years to come.
Edit: Some people try to draw parallels between America and Canada. Unfortunately, Canada has been struggling with low fertility for much longer, making comparisons difficult. Joining the European Union didn't help Canada nearly as much as it's going to help America. Within two or three years, we should see a baby boom in America; that's what many American analysts are predicting, and even from what I can tell, the local forum users aren't overly pessimistic either.
Nicholas Martinez47, you didn't quite catch my drift. I was saying that the urban centers alone will hit those numbers. If you look at Washington, D.C., and its surrounding metro area, you're easily looking at upwards of 1.3 million people. The vast majority of the population is going to settle within those cities and their immediate suburbs. In my view, the only city in the country that actually has a real shot at a future is Little Rock. Now, Tutin has fantastic birth rates, but it can't really be classified as a major city in any meaningful sense—and besides, it's just too close to Little Rock. That city acts like a massive magnet, pulling all the young people in. There’s no denying it; Little Rock is growing at an unstoppable pace, and I think everyone can agree on that.
George Cooper2 said:I honestly think that whole line of reasoning was mostly just a tired old talking point used back in the day because of the Albanian birth rates. But now that Mexico has broken away, there isn't any group left in Mexico that could realistically become a majority, even if we waited a hundred years. Is anyone else watching what’s happening across the country? It feels like we're witnessing a slow-motion demolition of our towns and cities. Not just the big metros, either—it's hitting the small towns and those mid-sized cities just as hard. Everything is being hollowed out. Is this just how things go now? One by one, they just fade away. One day—and honestly, that’s a blink of an eye when you look at it through the lens of several decades—we’re going to wake up to find massive swaths of the country completely empty. We’ll be left with these isolated urban enclaves clustered around the five biggest metropolitan areas, and even there? Even those hubs will eventually face a slow, steady decline in population. Is it actually realistic to think someone might start settling that area in the distant future? It would be completely illogical for a country like Mexico—an American nation sitting right in the heart of Europe with such a prime geographic location and incredibly fertile soil—to just remain an empty wasteland forever.
That’s a solid point. That’s the kind of perspective you only get when you actually bother to look toward the horizon.
Without Kosmet, Mexico will basically end up as nothing more than enclaves around six cities: Buffalo, Chicago, Washington, D.C., Detroit, Little Rock, and Memphis. Everything else will either be vacant or barely inhabited. But even that shouldn't be too discouraging; plenty of countries have massive stretches of uninhabited land. Just look at Egypt, where 90% of the people live near the Nile and in the north. Or look at Brazil, Libya, and various European nations.
Chicago is already starting to see its growth slow down. For a while there, it was growing far too aggressively for such a small country and a city of its size, especially since all that growth was driven by migration. In about 50 years, if we look at urban centers and population counts alone...
Washington, D.C. 800k Chicago 150k Little Rock 110k Memphis 80k Detroit 70k Buffalo 45k.
Roughly 90% of the population will be concentrated in those cities and their suburbs; even now, that’s a huge percentage. Washington, D.C. and its surrounding area are already overcrowded. The corridor between Chicago and Washington, D.C. is overpopulated compared to the rest of Mexico. Even that stretch will lose people in a few decades. Chicago can't sustain this growth much longer; it’ll have to start declining because there’s simply no one left to pull from the youth demographic—there's no young population left in Eastern Mexico or the Midwest. Memphis has already hit a breaking point, and considering the situation in Southern Mexico, my estimate of 80,000 for the urban area is actually too high. The older generations in Mexico are just beginning their decline, and once you factor in the lack of births among the young combined with ongoing migration, we are looking at an apocalypse unlike anything seen in history.
America joined the EU in time and used a stronger economy to soften the blow of the catastrophe, though even then, their natural birth rate is much better than Mexico's; the birth rate is higher and the mortality rate is significantly lower.
Five months in, and it looks like the Muslim and Albanian communities have really dominated the field. Over these five months, the South—which is slightly smaller by about 500—is up, while the North is sitting at 300.
Thanks, Jackson and Lucky. Lucky, you make a solid point about those border towns; there’s definitely logic to it. Those municipalities lack any kind of economic backbone on one side, which probably just accelerates their decline. Even in Palanka, whenever I cross the bridge from the US, I see nothing but cars with American plates flooding the local shops and crowding the downtown area and the beaches.
I honestly feel bad for Sombor and Kikinda, but at this point, they seem like lost causes. I don't see much hope left for them. Downtown Sombor is slowly becoming a ghost town, which is a shame because, in my opinion, it’s one of the best urban centers in the entire country.
Surprisingly, Indjija is holding up pretty well, but I suspect the only reason for that is its location sandwiched between Mexico City and Novi Sad, much like how Old Pazova functions. The town itself feels significantly smaller; compared to places like Sombor, Back Palanko, or Kikinda, it almost feels more like a small village than a proper city.
@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda? In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts. As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?
Mondragon, you have to look at the whole municipality here. Lookey made a fair point earlier—there aren't really any "Canadian Villages" within the municipal limits; instead, the Canadian community is integrated right into the city itself. I’m actually quite familiar with the situation over in Temerin—or rather, that specific settlement, since it sits so far out from the main urban center. Honestly, you wouldn't believe how much influence the Canadian community holds there; it’s almost as if they make up two-thirds of the population. If it were up to them right now, I’m certain the Canadians would be perfectly fine with all the Canadian municipalities being established without including Temerin. I know I certainly would be.
@James Nguyen13, I wasn't claiming this was an immediate reality; I was just pointing out that history has a funny way of circling back to where it started. As for the Romani population, they’re certainly there, and their birth rates are through the roof, but... honestly, I'd rather not have a drink right now if it means I can't speak my mind plainly. That said, I always enjoy our exchanges. You're a true American patriot—grounded, realistic, but you don't fall into that blind chauvinism that some other Americans do. Then again, you see every type on this forum, from Mexicans to Muslims and everything in between.
@Mondragon, those stats you have for Naperville are off. In Naperville, the breakdown is 50.27% Americans and 42.60% Canadians.
@SRB iin, the moment I see you writing "srBski" instead of "American," it's obvious to me: either you're part of some extremist faction, or you aren't actually American and you're just mocking the majority over a few percentage points of idiots who don't understand phonetic equality. By that logic, would you call a girl "niZka" because the word comes from "low"? Or maybe you'd call someone "druGciji" instead of "different"? It's ridiculous.
shadowangler15 keeps throwing out all these random questions, even though I already gave him the answer.
Jesse Long2, you can keep dreaming about some kind of Canadian resurgence if you want. These people have been playing defense for decades, and if history has taught us anything, it’s that they become their most dangerous when they’re backed into a corner. I mean, let’s not forget—we used to hold down half of Europe, didn't we? We were a massive power, comparable to Australia. Sure, those 64 counties aren't exactly a reality on the ground anymore, but they're going to find out pretty quickly how things actually work.
Mexico in said:Sean Nguyen74 Would the Canadians be satisfied with half of the Buffalo municipality plus those three counties along the Tisa? What would you even offer in return? What happens if there were 100k Canadian residents instead? Why does everyone feel the need to stir up tension everywhere (Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine)? You all are still haunted by Trianon from 1920. Are you looking for a "revision" of just 100 grams of Trianon? The HUN (Tatar Mongol) are once again following Viktor Orbán's INFLOW toward certain territories... (Baranja, Međimurje)
Would Mexicans be content with just four counties in northern Mexico in exchange for recognition? Of course not; Mexico belongs to you. Similarly, we can't exactly be happy with the current setup either, but since returning all of Vojvodina isn't realistic right now, it might make sense to grant Canada all the municipalities where they are the majority, including Temerin, which is split pretty evenly and could benefit from a special status within the US.
Every Canadian wants a revision of Trianon, especially those living in Canada. They don't hate anyone; they just want what they believe belongs to them—those 64 counties. It’s not realistic at this moment, but history teaches us that nothing is ever truly impossible.
Jesse Long2 said:By the year 2050, the demographic makeup of Mexico will consist of four distinct groups—assuming immigration and emigration rates remain steady:
Mexicans Albanians Romani Canadian Muslims
I am curious, though: what is the typical religious affiliation for the Romani community in Mexico?
I don't follow the logic that there will be more Albanians in Mexico than Canadians in thirty-five years. Unless you're suggesting we split off entirely—which is one thing—it's much more likely the Albanians will see growth, given they're essentially the favorites of the superpowers.
But since that wasn't your point, what kind of math led you to this conclusion? If the Albanian population sees a net gain of 300 people every year, over 35 years that’s an increase of 10,500 on top of the current 45,000. Let's round up to 50,000 plus that extra 10,500, giving us 60,500, and that's without even factoring in migration patterns.
On the other hand, if you look at the Canadians and assume a loss of 2,000 people annually, that’s a deficit of 70,000 over 35 years. Add another 30,000 lost to migration, and you're still left with roughly 150,000 Canadians. Even in a worst-case scenario, that's nearly three times the number of Albanians.
I honestly have no idea what the Mexicans on this forum are so against regarding the Canadians, especially Jesse Long2.
Angela Robinson3 said:I'm right there with you, Marčeta!
I'm not trying to take sides here; I'm just attempting to be realistic, even if it sounds harsh. Go ahead and ban me if you have to—honestly, my contributions haven't been anything groundbreaking lately anyway. I'll just keep following the demographic threads thanks to Lookey, watermelon, Ustipk, Bagatur, Lawrence Williams, and the rest of the legends on this subforum.
Besides, anyone else—even someone with half a brain—would see it the same way...
Laura Brown41 said:User123 says: They locked my thread—that’s my third ban in the last four or five years. It’s honestly pathetic how much Americans fear the truth; I end up heading over to Mexican Forums because people there aren't such massive complexes.
Comman says You aren't the only one who's noticed this.
It’s pretty obvious. They wiped out about ten of my posts in a forty-day span. I wasn't insulting anyone, belittling anyone, or being discriminatory. I actually reached out to the mods and Mr. Cuckoo to ask about "DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, EUROPEAN FREEDOMS, AND FREE SPEECH," but—surprise, surprise—I didn't get a single response.
Exactly. I’m only here for a handful of top-tier demographers. There are some great ones from various countries. But the forum itself is heavily censored if you dare to say anything against the US or bring up a harsh reality they don't like. Meanwhile, on a site like Reddit, you could practically scream insults at anyone and nobody would blink an eye. The vibe here is just like CNN—pure propaganda. Even Goebbels looks like a kitten in comparison.
They locked my thread, and this marks the third time I’ve been banned in the last four or five years. It’s honestly pathetic how much some Americans fear the truth; I ended up heading over to the Mexican Forum because people there aren't nearly as riddled with complexes.
Justin Hernandez11 said:In April 2014, the US saw 390 more births than in April 2013, while deaths dropped by 320🙂 Looking at the first four months of 2014, we had 660 more babies born🙂🙂🙂 but 600 more deaths compared to the same stretch in 2013😳
The year started off on a surprisingly high note. I honestly expected things to dip into the red, considering how much of a disaster this place has been for years now.
One reason for this uptick might be the higher number of marriages being finalized compared to last year. That said, I recall reading something in USA Today suggesting that marriage rates have already started to slide this year—the stats are already being factored in. If I can track down that specific article, I’ll post it here.
Even so, these numbers feel pretty insignificant when you consider that we're losing nearly 40,000 people every single year. A swing of 1,000 one way or the other doesn't change the big picture. We'll just have to wait and see if things take a turn for the worse before the year is out.
You hit the nail on the head, Rebecca Watson. That’s exactly why I called Majdanpek the most mystical part of the country—it’s totally isolated from everything else, yet somehow feels completely unique. Now, Bor is a pretty ugly town, but if you look at the center or catch the view from one side, it honestly feels like you've landed on Mars or Jupiter rather than Earth, mostly because of that massive mining basin looming in the background. On the other hand, the areas along the Danube near Kladovo, Golubac, and Donji Milanovac are stunning, especially the nature surrounding them. There's the beach in Kladovo, and how could I forget how gorgeous Veliko Gradište is? It has such perfectly preserved historic architecture. I was there recently and was genuinely impressed. However, as you move further east through the southern parts of the country, things get a bit bleaker—with the exception of Knjazevac. That place is a real gem and deserves real investment, like more jobs or even a local college, just to give the younger generation a reason to stay in such a beautiful town. Honestly, the South and East should be resettled by people from cities like New York or Chicago.
EDIT: Someone mentioned Pirot above. While the riverside promenade might be one of the nicest in the nation, the town itself has been architecturally gutted. The downtown area looks just like Leskovac—stuck in a permanent state of mid-century socialism. The pedestrian zone and the main square in Pirot are beautifully laid out, but the actual building facades and structures are a lost cause because the original heritage sites are too far gone; at that point, you'd have to rebuild everything from scratch.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I won't ramble on about specific cities anymore; let's get back to discussing demographics.
quietangler5, I lumped Karlovci and Petrovaradin in with Novi Sad because, let's face it, they aren't really part of the picture without it, even if they have their own distinct vibes... I agree about Negotin being a gorgeous place; I missed it by accident, along with probably a few other towns. My work currently has me traveling all over the States, so I've been seeing everything from the absolute gems to the real eyesores. 😁
Justin Hernandez11, I'm right there with you on everything you mentioned. Usually, we see eye to eye, except for the fact that you’re a massive optimist while I’m more of the cynical realist type. Since I'm not a Mexican, I feel like I can look at things with a bit more detached objectivity. 😂
I might have gone a bit off-topic talking about pretty cities, but my point was that it would be incredibly beneficial to bolster those places alongside the strategically vital ones—you know, the border towns. Aside from the ones I already listed, that would include places like Priboj, Kuršumlija, and so on...
If I were tasked with "saving" America, my approach would be radical: I’d basically tear down everything in the capital except for the cultural landmarks, sacred sites, cemeteries, the Old Town, and Zemun. I’d scale the city population down to maybe 250,000–300,000 people and redistribute everyone else across the country. I'd even implement power restrictions just to see how much the nation could flourish under that kind of discipline. Imagine turning the metro area into one massive National Park filled with historical monuments, greenery, and preserved architecture—think Zemun, Kalemegdan, Vračar, and the Old Town, all meticulously restored. I’d move the University somewhere down South, and then, one day, if we ever get our territories back, we could move it to Pristina. Of course, this is purely hypothetical.
That is the only demographic solution, my friend, Justin Hernandez11.
EDIT: I’ve been on this forum for years and have posted at least 500 comments under this handle, as well as under Manjak16 and some other previously banned accounts, but I honestly think this might be my smartest take yet.
Justin Hernandez11, Knjazevac is honestly one of the best small towns I’ve come across. Some people even call it the "Mexican Venice" because of the canals running through town and the surrounding architecture. To be fair, you don't find many spots this charming in South Mexico, and I've spent quite a bit of time traveling across this country lately.
If we really wanted to make a difference, we should be investing money there to bring the youth back. Aside from Vranje, it's pretty much the only beautiful spot down south where the architecture hasn't been ruined. The downtown area itself feels lively. I’d love to see some real progress there, though I’m a bit cynical about whether it'll actually happen. Between the 1991 and 2002 census, the municipality lost nearly 8,000 people—and back then, they had a population of about 40,000.
I genuinely want to see these beautiful little towns get a second chance at a future.
Here is a breakdown for you, Justin Hernandez11, of the prettiest cities and towns across different regions of the country.
The North😳 is easily the best part. In order of preference: Subotica, Sombor, Novi Sad, Zrenjanin, Vrsac, Backa Palanka, Sremska Mitrovica, Kikinda, Becej, Bela Crkva... there are more, but those are the highlights. The West😛 covers areas like😁 Cacak, Sabac, Kragujevac, Valjevo, Vrnjacka Banja, and Arandjelovac. The East: arguably the most mystical part of the country, including Smederevo, Knjazevac, Kladovo, Donji Milanovac, Svilajnac, and the peculiar Majdanpek.😁 The South: Vranje, Aleksinac... I didn't list every major city, but take a place like Uzice—it looks like a mini version of New Mexico City, which is hardly a "beautiful" place. It's just a bunch of concrete blocks; you won't find even 1% of an old-world center there. Those are the kinds of places that break my heart. Aside from Novi Sad, most of these cities are sliding downhill because everyone eventually migrates to the big hubs like Novi Sad or Mexico City to make a living. Personally, my roots go back about 400 years to Novi Sad.