Posts by Karen Sanchez19

placidharbor7

In that regard, placidharbor7 mentioned Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh Osho and his personal account concerning an "enlightenment night."

I don't recall THAT, but I am following the school and the glove: Repeat those statements here😉

Karen Sanchez19 said:To Bernadette Roberts, it’s just bizarre. Everyone reads her book and interprets her "inner journey" in a hundred different ways.

But NOBODY seems to notice that it was exactly what she claimed it was!!

A CHRISTIAN experience—because, as she puts it, it was the "only possible view I could have of it."

When she asked her friends, "Can't you see this is about a Christian experience?"

They gave her the honest truth:

She doesn't quote the Bible once. 😉 😁

And there isn't a single mention of Jesus. 😉

So, much like Professor Baltazar zamisliti, 😁
she simply imagined...
that Christ was present in everything that happened to her. 😕

I’ve been begging here: just quote her actual experience already.🙂

Faster. Move it along.🙂 🙂 🙂 😬

Joseph Davis5 said:It’s impossible to claim ownership over it. He simply teaches the methodology for becoming a realized individual on the Way.

But let's dig a little deeper here: Who exactly is the "mastermind"—the one pulling the strings—if we aren't even talking about formal hierarchy?😉

ambereagle642 said:You’re talking about the concept of enlightenment.
Look, among true masters, there isn't even any talk about it! 😁

Everything you've ever acquired, everything you currently hold—it's all just temporary. You'll lose it all again eventually.
Enlightenment? It's simply the realization that nobody actually possesses anything or has the power to act. It's the understanding that WHAT IS, is simply WHAT IS, at every single moment, unconditionally.

Heh... "Master," huh? 👋 🙂

Karen Sanchez19 said:It’s a safe bet that your consciousness doesn't just vanish into thin air; rather, it simply ceases to perceive anything because nothing is being registered.
If you could manage to maintain some level of awareness during that initial descent into sleep, you might actually discover that consciousness can persist even while you're out cold.
But then we hit the philosophical wall: who exactly is the one awake, and who is the one sleeping? It's a bit of a paradox, isn't it? Try this: as you start to drift off, attempt to visualize a familiar location—say, your childhood home in Chicago—with as much detail as possible. Engage every sense. Use all of them. Simultaneously, try to stay conscious for as long as you possibly can. After about thirty days of this discipline, you should start seeing the first signs of progress.

What kind of results are we talking about here?🙄

Heh... I’m just pulling your leg regarding how you claim to be an expert while simultaneously butchering translations because you "don't have the time" to actually do them properly. 😂🙂
And then you have the nerve to suggest that quoting a single passage is useless since one supposedly needs to slog through the entire book first.

I'm already aware of >—I've read it, and I've already voiced my thoughts on it.😁 😁

redrider63 said:And who exactly is going to tell me otherwise? 🙂 😲

UNBELIEVABLE:

It’s nothing but pure speculation regarding this lady... I haven't even seen a single actual quote from her posted here yet.🙄

redrider63 said:THE PLOT WILL SURPASS THE TRANSCENDENTAL

The frog in the pond goes BUCK BUCK BUCK

Karen Sanchez19 CLICK MICK

and THERE IS SIMPLY

NO EXPERT IN SIGHT 😢 🙄

Who actually calls them an expert?🙂

...how on earth can you judge if someone actually experienced 'THAT WHICH BUDDHA EXPERIENCED' just based on their words?

I'm saying it again: nobody has the guts🙂 to actually debate this or even look back at it:

Absolute truth—that is, the Absolute, or Nirvana—CANNOT be experienced, nor can it be lived through:

Because an "experience" requires a personal ego, a conscious self, which is itself nothing more than a thought... a mental construct... I've already laid this all out above.😉 😁 😁 😎

I’d like to add one more observation. I’ve noticed some 'Masters' in here seem to think enlightenment happens the exact moment you realize that 'nothing you experience is actually you.'
But that’s really just the mind hitting its own boundaries.

Enlightenment can ONLY belong to the "mind." The Absolute, by definition, exists beyond it.

Everyone is out there chasing some kind of sensation. Enlightenment occurs when the seeking stops. 🙂 "Wandering" persists only as long as questions exist. The Absolute simply *is*.

Klimakos Quote

But if that is what makes it 'true,' then the awakened exists without an awakener. In other words, the one who was sleeping vanishes during the awakening.

Meaning, they never truly existed in the first place.😁

So, you’re actually suggesting I should go out and snatch back that degree you obtained through nothing but pure myth and systemic corruption? Is that the plan?

You deserve a diploma in pure, unadulterated selfishness.🙂 🙂

When are you finally going to graduate from high school level thinking? You're just clinging to some half-baked lesson meant for the bottom-tier students. Let me be clear:
CONSCIOUSNESS is not ABSOLUTE. It is not absolute.

My terminology: Absolute Consciousness = "The Absolute"

But your little special terminology—individual consciousness, awareness, "consciousness" by your own definition—that's something else entirely.

True consciousness exists without an object or a subject; there is no thought, no observer, and nothing being observed. What you call "awareness" is just when there's a subject (a person) who happens to be aware of something. That kind of awareness stems from the "ego-thought" blah blah blah.
.. and so on...

hiddenpuma75 said:You seem to have overlooked one thing: Eris was simply bored tonight. Since she didn't have the ABSOLUTE presence of a goddess to keep her occupied, she decided to kick off this little game of hers, hiding herself within ten thousand different things.🙂

😁

ABSOLUTE.
Pure boredom.
Just clicking through this forum!

Boredom?😕

But you won't bother commenting on what was said above regarding the experience. I'm actually quite curious about your take.😁

The ONE is that first, most primal thing—it exists even before the very concept of battle itself.

It’s not Plotinus’s enlightenment I question. It’s his wording, specifically:

I mean... his expression is also, in my view, FLAWLESS...

But this particular claim always stings:

Doesn't this whole statement inherently assume the existence of TIME??

🙄

THE ONE IS IMANENT THROUGH ITS VERY TRANSCENDENCE

12) however...

THE ONE TRANSCENDS TRANSCENDENCE ITSELF

As our friend John would put it:

You can't transcend yourself from within yourself.

''NONDUALITY'' (NONDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS)

But regardless of how you slice it, by its very definition—by default—it simply cannot be captured using our dualistic human vocabulary.

IT CAN ONLY BE EXPERIENCED.

Hmm, I wouldn't go so far as to say it can be "experienced":

Because there is no subject (no individual) doing the experiencing, and no object being experienced...

In reality, nondual consciousness (the essence of ABSOLUTE consciousness) is the very thing that "makes" everything that exists. It is both the perceiver and the perception itself.
: As our friend hiddenpuma75 would put it: You cannot find (EXPERIENCE) the very thing you are using to search (EXPERIENCE).
🙂

Bernadette Roberts refers to the nondual state as "no-self" simply because she couldn't locate a "self" when looking inward, and frankly, she didn't have any other way to label it.

Her terminology, however, is a total misfire. Using the phrase

NO-SELF implies that self-awareness has been completely annihilated—which is absolutely not what she means.

Hmm... well, self-awareness *is* the thought "I"...

Who knows? Maybe for "her" (putting that in quotes), that specific thought just wasn't there.🙄

Only this claim holds water:

A=A

Heh. Two As? There's only one A.🙂

So, here’s my proposal for an appetizer: let’s serve up some "fried Termites." Let's dive headfirst into the field of termitology and dissect—with surgical precision—every single one of those tedious, mind-numbing terms we keep tossing around.

hiddenpuma75🙂

When I’m drifting off, I often find myself 🙂 🙂

relativity suggests:
Give me a break with this "absolute truth" nonsense. If I already knew exactly what I was looking for, I wouldn't be looking at all. What's the point of the philosophy then? Seriously, if anyone actually stumbles upon the ultimate answer, let me know. There’s a reward involved—and a premium set of steak knives.

What use is philosophy here??

It simply is what it is.😁

You can invent reasons for it until you're blue in the face, but it won't change the facts.😁

relative truth suggests:
Give me a break. Don't start with the attitude now. Why such a visceral reaction? I was actually having a decent time here. 🙂

That’s just my way of poking fun at Klimakos: It’s completely off-topic 😉 😁

viviana said:It doesn't just vanish. It simply shifts from its waking state. It’s stripped of that constant supervision we exert over ourselves while we're awake.

I'm trying to grasp the blueprint of what actually happens when we sleep; what becomes of our conscious existence... and I think someone on this thread already mentioned how that existence exists outside of time and space. Personally? I find that explanation quite compelling.

The way I see it, we *are* time itself. We are merely a momentary disturbance in its dreaming. To quote the great Goethe: my space is time. In that split second before I reach out to grab my own mental blueprint, I feel it should look something like this: when I sleep, I exist in a timeless void. My space—in those moments—is timelessness. (I can't decide whether to seize that thought or let it drift.)

Consciousness playing games with itself, with absolutely no one at the helm to keep order... Just imagine: being the audience, the actors on the screen, the film itself, the projector, and the cinema... plus an endless supply of popcorn! 🙂

👍 😁