Posts by Karen Sanchez19

Sophia Jones61 said:just feeling at home, you know?😁

I suppose one needs some level of flexibility for that sort of thing🤣

though it probably isn't exactly pleasant either😂

Honestly, I don't even follow what you're getting at here.🙄

Ahu Soph Nia said:So, your final verdict on the question Dragan posed is simply that there’s no difference.

Good grief.🤣

There is a distinction. To claim otherwise is like saying there's no difference between a pencil and a flat-screen TV.😁

Ahu Soph Nia said:Discussion is reserved for those who insist, "My truth is absolute, and yours is invalid." A true sage avoids such arrogance; therefore, with them, there is no need for debate.

Bowl of Saki, by Hazrat Inayat Khan

Karen Sanchez19; regarding most of the points you and Lame Deer have raised; I’ll concede they hold water. But I maintain that my own perspective is equally valid.

The actual questions gnawing at all of us here ought to be framed like this:

In what specific way can we distinguish the Spirit from the Soul? What is the practical tool—the mechanism, the method—to perceive one versus the other?

Can you offer some guidance, Karen Sanchez19?😉 👍

what distinction? 🙄
where is there any difference within sameness?
where is there a difference beyond mere intellectual constructs?
wake up, knock knock 🙂😁

Ahu Soph Nia said:Karen Sanchez19, I’m sorry you’re even more lost than you were before.

In the end, they shouldn't have written "I don't know"... it was probably just a typo for something else.🤣

But why dwell on it?

You're giving an absolute zero on this topic anyway, which is exactly my point.😁

casualtiger2 said:What is left for an Enlightened Master to actually accomplish in this illusory theater once they have supposedly "realized" or "experienced"...
this grand Istina?

How can we even claim to know what the Absolute is, or what this reality truly represents? What are soul and spirit, really?

You simply cannot grasp the ungraspable, nor experience the inexpressible.😁

Look, you can call those energetic, etheric layers the "soul," and perhaps define "spirit" as existence, the Absolute, or some other nebulous concept.

But "soul" typically refers to these astral energies and such.😁

However, none of that has anything to do with the "Istina," if I may be so bold... it’s just a framework. A system. Because a human being isn't merely a collection of physical matter.😁

FW190 said:Since when have I ever given a damn about such trivialities? 🤣 🤣 🤣

So, what? We just stay in our own little bubbles then?

It’s a bit grating, isn't it? 😳 😈 😁

I wasn't exactly born with a sunny disposition, if you catch my drift... 😁

What are you even talking about?😕

What exactly is "grating" me?😕 🙄

Ahu Soph Nia said:Of course you can't, and you can't prove it either—not through mere words.
But if you can actually present me with an immortal cow whose very will serves as the fountainhead for all abundance, life, and bliss, then I might just be forced to concede.
Ever heard of Hathor?

The moment you claim something "is the source" of anything, you're lying. You aren't even describing a god at that point; you're just making a hollow assertion about some entity.

Ahu Soph Nia said:😉

😘

but that doesn't make it a fact.😁
Just because I claim a cow can't kill me doesn't mean it's true.😉

Ahu Soph Nia said:Anonymous, inevitable, and completely unowned.
🙏
Nice one, Karen Sanchez19!
👍

If that’s the case, then everything you say is a lie—including the claim that "God exists."😉

This isn't some high-minded philosophical debate. It’s a mystical sermon. Attempting to argue with mysticism is a fool's errand—it's practically a symptom of insanity.

You're the one playing God here, assigning values to digits and trying to explain away the Absolute. One minute it's the Absolute, then it's an "oo," then it's "being"—as if you could actually map out the infinite with a pencil and paper.

None at all.

So HOW exactly do you KNOW it’s a beast?🙄

It’s absolute truth when the Absolute claims it. It’s just as true when I claim it right now.

The soul says, "I am."
The spirit says, "I am That."
God says, "I am Who I Am."

EVERYTHING that exists is claimed by the Absolute...
whenever this nonsense you're spouting is claimed by the Absolute...

I AM what you claim, what you think, and what you say.😁

The point being made here is simple: you aren't going to stumble upon the Absolute just by looking around. It doesn't have some tangible shape or defining feature you can just point to with your finger.
Yet, the fact that these labels and forms exist—that we perceive them at all—is proof enough of the Absolute's will. It’s a clear signal. Even if those shapes aren't the thing itself, the Absolute is the very essence behind the form.

Forms are just...

There is only one core truth.

Think about a sculpture. Is the essence the shape? No. It's the stone. The raw matter, not the silhouette. Just a small analogy, but it holds weight.😁

Being is simply whatever possesses life. Life is Spirit. God is a single living entity—the Master, the very Source of Life itself.

Just relax. Take a deep breath, let it out, and stop trying to rationalize God with these ridiculous explanations. God is inexplicable...

Besides, what does it actually change for you whether He is a being or not?🙄

Jason Johnson4 said:Ownership, Karen Sanchez19😉

The threads of Ownership...

I want to tell hollowtrucker that regardless of what you label it, "that" thing remains nameless...

So, hollowtrucker, just drop the theories.😁 Does God sit above or below? Is it up or down? What defines the soul or the Spirit? It’s all noise.
In the most basic sense, you can funnel all consciousness toward the Absolute, or God, or Ownership.😁

But if you "refuse" to play philosopher, then those distinctions don't matter. They aren't needed.😁

Jason Johnson4 said:Ahu, just keep grinding. There is nothing else besides the ETERNAL SELF.

You can try selling that kind of philosophy to someone else 😉

There is no such thing as a self 😍 😁

hollowtrucker said:Words shouldn't be this confusing.

If you actually bother to read my posts slowly, you'll see there isn't a single contradiction here.

What Sarma is getting at is this: the soul might be eternal, sure, but it can't just exist in a vacuum. The soul manifests through the Spirit, and God manifests through both the Soul and the Spirit—by His own design.
God exists independently of the Spirit and the Soul. The Soul, however, is dependent on God.
The Soul might even manage to become independent of the Spirit, but the Spirit? It can never break free from God.

It’s like a basic analogy:

think of a Pokémon like Pikachu evolving into Raichu; Raichu is clearly a step up from Pikachu.🙂😍 😁

Jason Johnson4 said:For crying out loud, the links are right there above🙂

I can't see the forest for the trees here.☕

🙂

Jason Johnson4 said:This came from one of Ramanin's students named Sarma🤣 though he was posting under the handle "WHO?"😉

Where on earth did you dig up that text?

Jason Johnson4 said:Does that imply there’s more than one essence? 😬

If God is essence, then there can't be multiple essences (human essence, universal essence...).

"Thus we realize that the so-called soul is nothing more than the ego—a byproduct of merging two distinct elements that could never truly blend, because one of them—the body—isn't even real; it’s just a mental projection. A genuine mixture requires both elements to be real. Mixing these two, the Sage explains, is like a bachelor marrying in a dream, where the groom is real but the bride is not. When the dreamer wakes up, he finds he remains a bachelor, just as he was before. From this, it is clear that true Ownership—which is Reality—has never become limited. It never actually became a soul or a tiny little self. It was never truly wedded to the body. In this way, it is clarified that the individual soul does not exist in Reality. Any questions regarding that soul are meaningless, as they presuppose its existence. There is only one true Ownership, pure Consciousness, existing outside of time. "

"The true meaning of the teaching is this: even though the soul itself isn't a separate entity, it contains an element of reality—namely, the light of consciousness emanating from the true Ownership, which we experience as 'I am.' This light of consciousness doesn't belong to the soul; it belongs to Ownership, to Reality. Therefore, it must surrender to Him. Once surrender is complete, only that Ownership remains. And if individuality is lost in that manner, it is lost to the ultimate thing."

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Quotes are from: "WHO AM I?" - Mah Yoga - THE UPANISHAD LEGACY IN THE LIGHT OF THE TEACHINGS OF BHAGAVAN SRI RAMANIN (Chapter VI - The Soul)

http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/downloads/maha_yoga.zip
http://www.geocities.com/sinkronicitet/maha_yoga.html

Who are you quoting?

hollowtrucker said:Philosophizing is the easy part.
The Absolute possesses absolute forms and absolute labels.

So what? What's your point?😁