Posts by Karen Sanchez19

David Miller15 said:neither she nor I🙂

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Jesse Sullivan2 said:And here I am, tempted to ask you why God would ever kick us out of paradise if He can’t even tell right from wrong in the first place. But then again, you don't believe in God.

I don't recall being evicted from anywhere by any deity.🤣

How about you?😁 😁

What could possibly exist beyond consciousness? Self-awareness, perhaps. (?)

And what sits above the absolute?😉

Consciousness depends on the perception of the one doing the perceiving; in other words, consciousness isn't the variable; rather, perception depends on the consciousness of the perceived or the perceiver.
Sounds nonsensical? Well, it isn't.

I sound NONSENSICAL and I AM being nonsensical😉

Consciousness shapes your perception too; you and your "ego"—that supposed observer—are both submerged within consciousness itself.😉

So there exists something beyond consciousness, or perception; but what is it?

Consciousness isn't perception..
perception is just the thought regarding the thing being perceived..
wherever there is thought, there is a "world" and "perception"—whether you're observing from the outside or the inside....
perception doesn't actually exist.. there are only the thoughts that arise.😉
but that's getting a bit heavy to wrap one's head around.. let's save that for another time.😁

Most people notice things like plus or minus, good or evil, mountain or valley; without even asking *who* is noticing, they perceive duality.
Then some people notice neutrality and realize the trinity.
And so on...
Therefore, even without asking who perceives, there is still an act of perception.
Maybe the famous Descartes was simply mistranslated.(?)

I perceive; therefore, I am.

Once you realize WHO is perceiving, that is "absolute realization." 😁

hollowtrucker said:Watch your mouth. You’re putting words in people's mouths, and frankly, you're getting them wrong. Some of those accusations are landing on the completely wrong side of the line.

In case you didn't notice, I went ahead and added that small detail.😍
What if I had just gone with that small one? 😘 In this particular scenario, that would essentially mean you just kissed my ass.🤣 🤣

No offense intended, but I hope you’re joking. If you aren't, then your lack of tact is going to come across as nothing short of insulting. 🤣

What organ is responsible for the act of realization? Or rather, what part of our biological machinery actually processes an epiphany?
Where does consciousness actually come from?

Consciousness doesn't just materialize out of thin air. It doesn't simply pop into existence like a glitch in a computer program. No. There is always a source. Always a precursor.😁

The Absolute enters a state of absolute observation; it exists entirely beyond the reach of the mind or the ego.

And what exactly—and I mean *exactly*—is this supposed "precipitate" that can trigger an assault?!😉

Aside from what I pick up through the forums, what unwritten rules am I actually living by?

When it comes to true enlightenment, there are no rulebooks. No step-by-step manuals. No foolproof recipes handed down from some authority figure to guarantee success. It isn't like following a blueprint to build a house in Chicago or sticking to a strict diet plan. You can't just check off a list and expect the light to turn on. ☕😁

hollowtrucker said:Who exactly is the one doing the perceiving?

First off, Karen Sanchez19; you have to ask yourself: what is the actual instrument of perception?

Take something basic; we determine if an object is hard or soft through touch.
We see right then; that instrument of perception is fundamentally limited.

So what, then, is the infinite; what can possibly be perceived without limits?

How is it even possible to know God if He is absolute?

Through absolute perception, Karen Sanchez19.

What methods exist for perceiving the absolute?

That is how you correctly frame the problem.

It isn't philosophy, because let me repeat: philosophy is bound by rules that nobody actually follows.
It isn't religion, because religion is bound by arbitrary non-rules that everyone blindly obeys.

That leaves us with theurgy or theosophy.

just circling back to the same nonsense🤣 😍

Through absolute perception, Karen Sanchez19.

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Perception is an act, and every single act of change is LIMITED.😉
To perceive, you need consciousness... and the Absolute cannot fit into any single observation.😉

That leaves us with theurgy or theosophy.
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And you honestly think you're going to discover some new set of rules next?🤣

The soul is merely a tool for the soul to recognize itself.
Once that soul is realized, it becomes a tool for recognizing the Spirit.
And the union of Spirit and soul? That is the final mechanism for knowing God.

What I am laying out here isn't some recycled, pre-packaged set of social norms or textbook patterns.😁

WHO IS THIS "WHO" THAT DOES THE KNOWING?!!!!!

And how on earth is it even POSSIBLE to grasp God if He is ABSOLUTE?😉 😉

Sophia Jones61 said:Come on, try using some actual logic here.

Where does it ever mention emotional indifference toward people?

We are talking about realizing oneness. That "membrane" is simply what I perceive surrounding myself and you, if I’m looking at you.

They say this membrane doesn't truly exist, yet we clearly see it; therefore, we haven't achieved unity yet, even if we talk about it. What they mean is, if I view someone through their physical shell, they might be attractive or charming, someone I'd marry, and so on.
If one were to actually see the soul, there would be no distinction. You wouldn't have friends, partners, or enemies because everyone would be identical... clearly, we are missing the point.

Communication is a dead end because the subject matter—souls and bodies—requires direct experience. Unfortunately, this debate won't facilitate that experience; all we can do is trade theoretical stances (which isn't a crime) or perhaps share lived experiences (which would be ideal).

And please, spare me the insults regarding my spiritual path. If I am being foolish, it isn't the path's fault. Feel free to insult me personally; I truly don't care.

It would be best if we just stopped arguing and got back to studying, gaining awareness, or whatever else constitutes actual work.
Or at least realize that nothing we do actually works, though that just brings us back to square one.

Regards! 👋

:yawn: 🙂

Casey Jones9 said:Alright, let's look at it this way:

When we reach the finish line, we finally 🙂
. But until that moment arrives, we're just left with abstract ideas.

Abstract concepts come in all shapes and sizes, I suppose.😁

Balkanijan Pimp said:

lovely little pictures☕😁

Casey Jones9 said:Truth doesn't exist, it just acts as a guidepost along the way. Isn't that right? By the end of the journey, those guideposts eventually become the truth itself.

Nothing ever actually turns into truth. It’s a mirage.

Truth is everything.😁

hollowtrucker said:Truth is that which remains constant, regardless of the circumstances.
How is it that materialists and atheists find it so effortless to accept the existence of thought, the ego, or personality? Where is the actual evidence for these phenomena? Who has ever laid eyes on a mind, on intelligence, or on a "Self"?

It stands to reason, then, that if we question their existence, we must also ask: do other invisible phenomena exist as well?

The common consensus is that a human being is composed of mind, intelligence, ego, senses, and emotions. Because each of these functions occupies itself with its own specific task, I find it impossible to perceive the soul as a single entity. All these elements are merely material reflections of the soul.

In reality, grasping the interaction between the soul, the spirit, and God is the greatest challenge of all. Even angels struggle to fully comprehend it.

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delija said:A teacher asks Ivankovic: Can you tell me something about the soul?
Ivankovic: Of course! The soul is just a person with legs.
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Why the shock? It’s like my old man used to yell every single night: "Soul, spread those legs!" 😈

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Karen Sanchez19 said:True. It would be much simpler if we didn't have thoughts at all. 🙂

Thoughts exist, unfortunately...
But my point remains. These grand theories about the soul or the spirit? They are nothing more than abstract mental constructs. Where is the actual substance in any of it?

Tyler Scott3 said:Chocolate.😬

Look, I wasn't at the entrance; I was at the exit.😉 😁

Truth alone exists; but who, really, possesses the capacity to hunt it down?

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Fine. If that’s the case, then what’s the point of all this philosophical posturing about the soul and the spirit and all that nonsense? 😁

The various forms of material reality are merely reflections produced by a mind that constructs them through sensory input and lived experience.

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Sensory input and lived experience 🤣

but what exactly are those senses "plugged into"? 🙄

Karen Sanchez19 said:Where exactly does this "universal spirit" fit in? 😕

It’s canned up tight within the confines of your own little thought process, just like everything else.🤣 😁

Karen Sanchez19 said:You could be the most compassionate soul on the planet, but don't expect a VIP pass to heaven.
Salvation isn't some merit badge earned through good deeds; it's about faith.

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braindead said:P.S. the flesh is such a sinful thing...👍

The body—much like everything else in this flawed existence—is actually perfect.😁>

Karen Sanchez19, since you’re being so incredibly gracious as to persist in this rant after moving the goalposts yourself (one shouldn't debate things that don't exist, right?);

explain what you're actually getting at here😉

The real question remains: are you even a truth seeker? Are you?

A human being is composed of the mind, the senses, and the body.

EVERYTHING originates from the mind.😉

Whoever consciously controls their breath can consciously control their mind.

But WHO is ACTUALLY in control?😉

The soul is not an energetic entity. It does not stem from the mind. God is not a product of the Soul.
A man who rejects the recognition of the soul is incapable of recognizing the spirit or God.

I have nothing more to offer than a repetition of my previous post...

So, what connection could YOU possibly have to this so-called SOUL?🙄

Karen Sanchez19 said:I find myself genuinely captivated by people who possess the clarity to know they’re right. In this endless deluge of skeptics, it’s actually quite refreshing. 😁

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