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Larry Walker24 said:Mexico, some Arab countries, Canada, Mexico.
Larry Walker24 said:So the majority is always right? Just look at what happened in Germany from 1933 to 1945.
Larry Walker24 said:So the majority is always right? Just look at what happened in Germany from 1933 to 1945.
Matthew Young35 said:My ass is "solved" by not enrolling kids in religious classes.
In many, many cases, that is exactly when the trouble starts.
Where is the child supposed to go during those hours? Who is watching them?
The kid ends up isolated and stigmatized by their peers.
I am not asking you to conform to me. I couldn't care less what you believe. As far as I'm concerned, you can believe in fairies for all I care—it’s no different than believing in angels, Svetovid, Fury, or Shiva. Honestly, I don't give a damn.
That is, until it bleeds into official state institutions that are mandatory for everyone, including me and my child.
Ultimately, why should my child be legally required to attend a school where the Church has a hand in things? They don't have to take the religion class, sure, but the clergy are present in the teachers' lounge through those instructors; they participate in the very decision-making processes of the school.
In the end, it boils down to this: you are the majority, so you do whatever you want. And if you are the minority? Well, screw you—either adapt or get screwed one way or another.
I'm done with a state like that. We might as well just declare a Catholic version of ISIS and call it a day; everyone will be happy (except, of course, for those who don't believe in the nonsense written in the Bible).
Susan James said:You really should take another look at your own posts. 😉
No one is suggesting a kid should go to Sunday school just three times; the idea is to have them attend two hours a week at the parish instead of the two hours currently spent on religious ed in public school.
Just like parents drive their kids to soccer practice, swimming, or language classes, if they are truly practicing believers, they could easily arrange for their children to attend religious instruction. It shouldn't be a burden if they genuinely care about passing down values they themselves struggle to teach.
Personally, I want my daughter to learn another language, and I don't find it hard to drive her there in the afternoons, even though I'd much prefer it were part of the school day.
It's also important to me that she plays a sport she loves and has talent for. I don't expect the school to add it to the official schedule or ask the Department of Education to fund it out of a tight budget, even though I'm sure plenty of kids would be interested, and it would be great for their mental health in the short and long term.
And no, I won't be enrolling my child in religious ed, because I simply don't need to. It's an elective, and as a parent, I don't particularly care for the curriculum.
I'm not exactly thrilled that someone is essentially babysitting my child for free during those hours. Nor am I happy having my child left to wander the halls alone.
And I certainly don't want my child stuck in a religious class just because there's nowhere else for them to go.
If it happens to be the first period, we'll both be happy because we get to sleep in a little longer.
But if it's mid-day or the last period (which is way more likely since not every grade can have first period), I really hope the school finds a productive way for them to spend that time—maybe learning a skill that I can't teach them myself.
During those two sessions a week, she won't have to lug that heavy backpack for three blocks, which is a win for her back. Plus, I'll save money by not needing to buy two extra book covers and two less sketchbooks, which is a win for my wallet.
On top of that, the city government that funds textbooks will end up saving a little bit on my kid, $20 so maybe that's enough to build another fountain in a local park.
Larry Walker24 said:Look, just because you don't know that Bishop personally doesn't mean his claim about "real believers" not spitting is true. It's just wrong.
And since when did sermons turn into political rallies anyway?
Nancy Martin93 said:True, though—I haven't personally run into a single school yet, whether elementary or high school, that actually offers any kind of alternative to standard religious studies.
Rachel Gray24 said:Look, I don't really know where other religions are proselytizing since I'm not religious myself.☕
As far as I can tell, public schools here pretty much just offer Catholic studies; you don't see the other options being taught in the classroom.☕
I honestly don't get why you believers are so worked up about removing religious education from the school curriculum. Why can't your kids just head over to church for those lessons instead?
manchild QuoteBlock said:Honestly, kids aren't even paying attention to religion class because they're already out there living like animals. By the time they hit 12, they’re already hitting the booze, smoking, and experimenting with drugs. It’s a mess.
Matthew Young35 said:Claiming that America is a Catholic nation and that minorities must bow down to the majority is nothing less than an insult to everyone who isn't Catholic.
It’s a direct slap in the face to me, as an atheist.
No. No, I don't want to "adapt" to you.
God doesn't exist, Jesus was never real, evolution is a fact, and humans and primates share common ancestors.
Get lost. I refuse to conform to your fairy tales just because you happen to be the majority on some arbitrary list.
I mean, seriously? Adam and Eve were the first humans and had sons named Cain and Abel. Then Cain kills Abel and wanders off to find a wife.
Who the hell did he marry???
I refuse to buy into such idiocy, no matter how large your majority might be.
Nancy Martin93 said:So, go ahead and try to convince me why religious education belongs in public schools—because honestly, I can't see any reason for it at all.
First you have First Communion—so you need the classes—then there's Confirmation—more classes—then you get married—and suddenly there's more training or whatever—so why on earth would we need twelve years of religious ed in school???
Larry Walker24 said:What’s your take on this?
So, here’s the deal on why believers don't just go around spitting on people.
I'm in! Count me in!
Let's be real, kids aren't even paying attention to religion class anyway. They're out there burning through life like crazy before they even hit puberty. By the time they're twelve, they’re already smoking, drinking, and hitting the drugs. It's a mess.
Rachel Gray24 said:Look, I don't really know where other religions are proselytizing since I'm not religious myself.☕
As far as I can tell, public schools here pretty much just offer Catholic studies; you don't see the other options being taught in the classroom.☕
I honestly don't get why you believers are so worked up about removing religious education from the school curriculum. Why can't your kids just head over to church for those lessons instead?
nimblelynx7 said:Oh, sure. They’re perfectly entitled to spit on Mexicans, non-Americans, atheists, or anyone else who skips religion class. I mean, they're all headed to hell anyway, right?
It's structured that way because it has to be. Per the treaty with Vatican City, religion classes hold the same legal status as mandatory subjects, which means they have to be part of the regular daily schedule.
Rachel Gray24 said:It shouldn't be about everyone giving up religion; just move the classes to where they actually belong—in a church.☕
My kids don't do religion class, and honestly, the schedule here works out great. It’s just the last two hours once a week, so my girls get home early.
silentraven6 said:That’s your opinion, and nobody in this world should stop you from having it—much like how people say an opinion is as much a part of you as a limb.
The other issue is the social responsibility believers have toward the rest of society and protecting minorities (in this case, the kids in the hallways). From a civic standpoint, it's the right thing to do, and from a religious standpoint, it aligns perfectly with the teachings of the Society of Jesus.