Posts by Kenneth Ross8

Michelle Evans said:Fine. I'm available if you have more questions or need anything else.

Thanks, 🙂
From here on out, we're always available whenever you need help.

Michelle Evans said:I see the Auction has already kicked off in the meantime. You're up next. Good luck with the auction and hope everything goes smoothly with the moderators.

🎉
Now the little birds are going to have a feast. 🙂

Due to urgent priorities, we'll have to push to November.
We have to relocate 36 units. 😢
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Michelle Evans said:Moderators have the right to edit posts however they see fit to improve readability (fixing typos, adding line breaks, etc.). Cosmetic changes only. Content remains untouched.

Fine by me. That can be clearly defined if actual changes were made here too.

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Michelle Evans said:Regarding the Auctions, the only thing that changed is who hosts them. It’s not the moderators anymore. Their role is clearly outlined in the Auctions - listings, announcements, and item collection thread:

Partially correct
'' 6 - An Auction can be hosted by the Association or a private individual—like a Blue Paw protector or whatever. Moderators still have the duty of maintaining auction integrity, guiding bids, and creating the FINAL SETTLEMENT of bidding, while the current status during the auction itself can be managed by the auctioneer alone.''

Based on that Rule, auctions could have continued perfectly fine in this order!
Basically, the other mod just needed to 'keep' the reins under control, just like they do whenever any topic is opened!

Michelle Evans said:Just a quick note—all changes are made through consultation. No single moderator makes decisions unilaterally without checking in. Your comment implying that fermina-daza wants to change things suggests her whims are driving these shifts. They aren't.

Michelle Evans, your comment implies we have an issue with fermina-daza, which isn't true.
But if she actually sent a message, read it, and responded, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Or is the solution to just attach a Smod PDF everywhere?

Michelle Evans said:I'd like to point out one rather glaring thing.

The Moderator asked your association and a forum member back on October 5th to coordinate on whose auction would go first and let us know. You didn't show up until yesterday, October 12th. I'm just pointing out the impression this gives: the "emergency" you constantly cite (linking it to your rescues starving and needing forum auctions) doesn't match your actual behavior. So, please, spare us the emotional provocations in the future. Cooperation can be handled professionally and constructively without the drama, which I believe will work out better for everyone.

The Moderator made the request only after the mods finally reached an agreement among themselves (why "finally"? because I only see fermina-daza moderating)
That doesn't mean the timing works for us or anyone else. That's why we were 'making noise' whenever we had a free moment to do so.
Here’s where things stand right now. As much as we need that Auction to happen, I have to prioritize moving all 36 animals into their new housing by November 1st. Trying to prep the Auction at the same time would absolutely kill me, and frankly, I just can't afford to burn out like that.
Look, I’ll just lay it out straight right now: we can't make it happen until mid-November. Unfortunately.

If you guys at Smod actually bothered to read the "Rightful Paw" PDF more closely, you'd realize that every single issue listed there is critical. It’s urgent. Things are bad. I don't trust anyone enough to believe they're just playing with people's emotions out of boredom or because they have nothing better to do with their lives!
I believe that if a thread starter claims they’ve just saved some animal, they’re suddenly the only one qualified to judge what constitutes an emergency. It's always like that. In this whole situation involving Kenneth Ross8, I’m the one stuck playing judge over who actually needs help and who doesn't. It's a thankless job, frankly. But let’s be real: if I didn't know how to actually talk to people, this Association wouldn't have any decent volunteers, any donors, or any actual results to show for its work.

And yeah, we were completely out of cat food back then. We didn't mention that at the time, but if we had, kindhearted people would've seen the post and stepped up with donations. Because of that, Rina has been all set for about two months now. 🙂

This might sound like a massive generalization, but it’s the truth...

Michelle Evans said:The bids haven't been moving since May. Just look at the Auction thread.
One moderator stepped down in June. The two remaining staff members couldn't step up to cover the workload before the end of the month due to some stuff happening IRL.

I already replied at the top of this thread!

Michelle Evans said:The moderators here are volunteers. Their private lives always come first. At the end of June, they set... Notice. It looks like there won't be any more Auctions held. Honestly, that’s just how things go. Per the rules, there won't be any Auctions during July or August.
The first inquiry was filed on September 12th. It was answered.

We’re volunteers too. We don't even know where our private lives end and this starts anymore—and honestly, that’s on us. No one is out to get us. But if you can't be bothered to read a message for a month, two, or three... then what exactly are you doing in a moderator position?

Taking on the role of a moderator is a conscious decision. You have to know exactly what you're getting into. A moderator's duties aren't a mystery—you should know them inside and out before stepping up.
How much time does that actually take?

Michelle Evans said:Things stalled for a bit because all the moderators were busy scrubbing inappropriate content from the forum. My apologies for that. But let’s be clear: there is absolutely no truth to the claim that posts have been sitting unanswered since May. You can see for yourselves.

Michelle Evans, we aren't asking for apologies. We want moderator action. It doesn't have to be this second, but if you can handle the trolling, then you can handle responding to a post or an inquiry on a thread!

Michelle Evans said:I don't see how those two things are even related. Send me a link to a post where different photos of the exact same item are labeled A, B, C, D, etc. Yesterday was about one single photo containing various items labeled with letters. Two completely different situations. And the moderator gave that user a very clear answer.
What part of that violates the rules?
I don't see anything regarding this in the rules from January 1st, 2014. I see a note at the end saying to contact moderators for any ambiguities; clearly, there was some ambiguity here, and the moderator provided clarification.

It absolutely relates. Dat provided a clear example of how items with lower starting bids were handled. For instance, look at $1.75, $3.25. You just need to look closely.

Michelle Evans said:So, it hasn't been 5 months. It’s been explained above and is visible in the Auction thread.
If this is about your card from September 18th, you didn't receive it because of an inquiry as such, and I would kindly ask you not to frame it that way.

Regarding the claims of ignoring people or stalling, the facts simply don't support those conclusions. The Auction preparations started Saturday, and it will go live either tonight or tomorrow. 👍

In the future, please refrain from this rude tone and making things up. Constructive communication isn't possible at this level. And I believe constructive dialogue is in everyone's best interest.

The main thing is that the Auctions have finally started.
I trust everything else will eventually fall into place.

Michelle Evans said:Just a quick correction on this. Someone reading this might think you submitted specific inquiries and that no one responded. That wasn't the case. You looped us in as recipients of your correspondence with the moderator, which only happened as a response to the notification regarding the aforementioned card. In that message to her, you stated you would open a thread on this PDF because you couldn't find common ground. For us—as the moderators of this PDF, including myself as the Super Moderator of the KLJ and Nica as the Administrator—that is perfectly fine. We have no issue with it because that is exactly what this PDF is for, and we expected you to do exactly that: bring your specific questions here. You weren't asking for a statement from us in that message. I can easily copy-paste the entire message if necessary.

We aren't complaining about the card itself, but rather everything else mentioned above.

Michelle Evans said:I just need to clarify who handles requests for extra assistance. I'm the one responsible for the Smod PDF. You can also always reach out to the forum admin (Nice).

Here is the list of supermoderators, which gets updated regularly and should be useful to you.

Thanks 🙂

Michelle Evans said:I hope everything is cleared up now and there won't be any issues in future collaborations.

Look, to avoid all this "philosophizing" and nitpicking, can we get some clear rules written down somewhere? Something pinned at the top in one place, like this?
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Michelle Evans, thanks for the reply.

We’ll definitely reach out tomorrow. It’s way too late now after such a grueling day.
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Michelle Evans, hey! Thanks for reaching out!

We’ve got patience. We just need everything laid out clearly in black and white once and for all.

The rules need to be crystal clear across the board. I don't want to be setting up an Auction for the Association myself only to have a moderator changing things or shifting goalposts without any prior agreement.

Best,
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Dear Admins,
Since the moderators have been dragging out every single question regarding the Auction since early May, I believe it's long overdue for the admins to step in and finally establish clear rules (rules that have actually already been established), yet the moderator fermina-daza still insists on changing them!

So here we go again—preparing for an Auction without clear guidelines, dealing with constant changes...
A fellow forum member asks a question only to receive an answer that contradicts the existing rules—rules that haven't even been officially updated (at least, there’s no clear record of any changes)!
The notice simply says: Changes to Auction organization

We can be patient about delays, sure, but we won't tolerate this five-month stalemate where users are ignored, and whenever anyone asks for clarity, they just get handed red cards and met with arrogance instead of progress!

It should be obvious why the "Blue Paw" PDF exists—it was created for exactly this reason, though its purpose is being undermined by this chaos

Let's be real: some moderators clearly don't want to deal with Auctions, others don't know how, and some can't even manage to upload a basic photo, BUT that does NOT give them the right to sabotage the work of Associations and activists!

The people protected by many Associations and activists depend on the funds raised through these Auctions.

I hope this Auction mess gets cleared up quickly so we can actually get back to work.

We already sent our concerns via private message to Dorian.Gray, Nica, and Michelle Evans—but unfortunately, there was zero response, so we are deeply hoping for one now and for the finalization of clear rules!

And now, once again, we're starting auction prep with no clear rules in place!

Every time a moderator who actually knew how to run things and follow the rules moves on, a new one steps in, tries to change everything, and the whole process drags on indefinitely...

Regards,

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Lisa Young83 said:..., and we'll just have to deal with any clumsy mistakes from the mods, the rules, and the forum users as they happen. We'll fix things on the fly to make sure everyone feels comfortable here at KLJ and that we're actually being useful to our pets and rescues.

👍

We know this takes time. Good intentions are what matter most. 🙂

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

The issue isn't whether we need a spokesperson; it's that we're all fed up. We've been asking ourselves: "Is there any point?" Motivation is gone because nothing seems worth the effort anymore.

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

How about you go through the thread right now?
Thanks!

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

We aren't arguing against the flag, nor are we debating whether it was justified!

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

I'd love to, as soon as we close these two current threads!

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

If questions or confusion arise later, a separate thread will be opened.

Let's just assume everything is clear for now!

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

All we can say is: thanks to the former moderator for the misinformation!!

Michelle Evans said:"Users' questions." I see you using the plural there.
Are you acting as a spokesperson for everyone else here? There’s really no need for that; people can speak up for themselves if their questions aren't being answered. Just like you started your own threads because you wanted answers too.

Regardless, I’ve looked over this thread thoroughly.
Having issues with moderators doesn't give you a free pass to troll.

You received a warning the same day you posted that content and asked your question. In fact, your question was posted only three minutes before the post that got flagged.
It’s hard to claim your issue with the staff—the one you brought up on the PŽK forum—was already happening back then, given how much time has passed since the inquiry.

The problem is that the moderators allow arrogance, ignoring users, passivity...
So far, one thread has been opened to complain about their performance. A moderator hasn't even replied to it yet, and the admins haven't stepped in, though we're still hoping they will!

If you want, start a new thread so we can discuss whatever remains unclear.
Also, if you feel the admins haven't weighed in, feel free to ask them to do so.

There are!!
We first sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned, who kindly told us she was still catching up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting to hear from moderator fermina-daza.

Fine, then that still doesn't involve me. At least for now. My question is simply whether there's any confusion regarding what I wrote or my work in general, so we can clear it up. If everything is clear regarding why this thread was opened, then it can be closed.

If that’s what a moderator said, then they were wrong. You shouldn't have to hunt for a post.
Trust me, I know exactly what lands in my inbox every single day...

Private message logs are visible to everyone. Post logs are not.

It’s interesting to think that from now on, we'll have to file every single complaint through the PŽK...

No. Not every single one.
You can always settle things via PM with the mods, or if you aren't satisfied, you can reach out to me. And of course, using the PŽK is an option, which clearly works...

Hopefully, fermina-daza, Snowcrowned, Chocolate puma, and Corduroy won't follow the lead of the previous moderators—or even the current passive ones.
And that they'll give it their all to restore the old reputation of the PDF ''PŠ''.

Michelle Evans, thanks for the thorough answers!

Michelle Evans said:You will receive an answer on the specific thread where you originally posted the question. You haven't received it yet because by the time I was back online, the forum was essentially offline...

I don't see reports on PDFs where I am not a moderator. Reports you submit to the general board go to the moderators assigned to that specific PDF, not to me. If the moderators aren't reacting to something, there's usually a reason for it, and you can send them a private message to ask why they haven't responded. If they don't get back to you within a day, feel free to reach out to me and I'll check in with them. Or, you can just ask here.

I monitor your posts just like I monitor everyone else's. I don't comb through every single thread on the PDF looking for details. I only do that for the PDFs where I serve as a moderator...

A moderator literally stated once that they should put in the effort to make it so that when you hit that little icon, every single admin sees the report.
That was the official word!

So, I guess the logical conclusion is that from now on, we have to file every single complaint through the PŽK!

Michelle Evans said:It’s a bit of both, really. He definitely didn't get kicked out just because the moderators asked him to leave. That part isn't quite right...
Smod doesn't really moderate unless they happen to be managing the PDF files at the same time. In that sense, they act like a bit of a ghost... though they can step in if they feel it's necessary. I decided it was necessary here...

2. What’s the reasoning behind that... Never... He hasn't actually posted anything in the Pets section yet, even though his status was updated to supermoderator back on October 15, 2012...
...and wasn't there a need to question his actions several times over?
It didn't make any difference even when the topic was first introduced... It is high time you finally brought some order to the Blue Paw subforum... Which one is still waiting on those essential answers...

It seems like you might have cut off there...No, not really... The same...It says so right there in my profile...
I joined Smod on May 1, 2013, not October 15, 2012...
You’re clearly looking at the supermoderator list on that PDF, which hasn't been updated since then. That doesn't mean everyone listed was appointed back then... The roster has definitely changed and grown since that date, even if there isn't a visible edit log to show it...

That serves as my explanation for why I wasn't part of that discussion...

I’ll briefly touch upon your post from that other thread as well, since it relates directly to my work...

I saw the inquiry, but I have no way of knowing if you actually received an answer unless you let me know the moderators aren't getting back to you. If you tell me, I can check in with them to see what's going on... I don't track every single thread or know which issues are being handled through private messages, though that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the PDF issues in general...

You never actually reached out to me about this. Please feel free to do so next time...

Any other questions...

Let’s be real here. This intervention and assessment feel incredibly off. It’s been determined that what's needed is... And nobody noticed that the forum members are having major issues with the moderators? Please. It's more like the moderators are just straight-up ignoring everyone's questions! If you want an actual assessment, don't just drop a photo and walk away. You need to go through the thread and provide some context first.

Michelle Evans said:It’s a bit of both, really. He definitely didn't get kicked out just because the moderators asked him to leave. That part isn't quite right...
Smod doesn't really moderate unless they happen to be managing the PDF files at the same time. In that sense, they act like a bit of a ghost... though they can step in if they feel it's necessary. I decided it was necessary here...

2. What’s the reasoning behind that... Never... He hasn't actually posted anything in the Pets section yet, even though his status was updated to supermoderator back on October 15, 2012...
...and wasn't there a need to question his actions several times over?
It didn't make any difference even when the topic was first introduced... It is high time you finally brought some order to the Blue Paw subforum... Which one is still waiting on those essential answers...

It seems like you might have cut off there...No, not really... The same...It says so right there in my profile...
I joined Smod on May 1, 2013, not October 15, 2012...
You’re clearly looking at the supermoderator list on that PDF, which hasn't been updated since then. That doesn't mean everyone listed was appointed back then... The roster has definitely changed and grown since that date, even if there isn't a visible edit log to show it...

That serves as my explanation for why I wasn't part of that discussion...

I’ll briefly touch upon your post from that other thread as well, since it relates directly to my work...

I saw the inquiry, but I have no way of knowing if you actually received an answer unless you let me know the moderators aren't getting back to you. If you tell me, I can check in with them to see what's going on... I don't track every single thread or know which issues are being handled through private messages, though that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the PDF issues in general...

You never actually reached out to me about this. Please feel free to do so next time...

Any other questions...

Let's hope for a better turnout this time around.

Michelle Evans said:It’s a bit of both, really. He definitely didn't get kicked out just because the moderators asked him to leave. That part isn't quite right...
Smod doesn't really moderate unless they happen to be managing the PDF files at the same time. In that sense, they act like a bit of a ghost... though they can step in if they feel it's necessary. I decided it was necessary here...

2. What’s the reasoning behind that... Never... He hasn't actually posted anything in the Pets section yet, even though his status was updated to supermoderator back on October 15, 2012...
...and wasn't there a need to question his actions several times over?
It didn't make any difference even when the topic was first introduced... It is high time you finally brought some order to the Blue Paw subforum... Which one is still waiting on those essential answers...

It seems like you might have cut off there...No, not really... The same...It says so right there in my profile...
I joined Smod on May 1, 2013, not October 15, 2012...
You’re clearly looking at the supermoderator list on that PDF, which hasn't been updated since then. That doesn't mean everyone listed was appointed back then... The roster has definitely changed and grown since that date, even if there isn't a visible edit log to show it...

That serves as my explanation for why I wasn't part of that discussion...

I’ll briefly touch upon your post from that other thread as well, since it relates directly to my work...

I saw the inquiry, but I have no way of knowing if you actually received an answer unless you let me know the moderators aren't getting back to you. If you tell me, I can check in with them to see what's going on... I don't track every single thread or know which issues are being handled through private messages, though that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the PDF issues in general...

You never actually reached out to me about this. Please feel free to do so next time...

Any other questions...

The problem is simple: the moderators are letting arrogance, blatant disregard for other users, and total passivity slide. It’s unacceptable.
Still nothing. One topic. They opened an investigation because people filed complaints about their performance. The moderator still hasn't weighed in, and the admins haven't said a word either. Still, we're holding out hope they actually show up.

Michelle Evans said:It’s a bit of both, really. He definitely didn't get kicked out just because the moderators asked him to leave. That part isn't quite right...
Smod doesn't really moderate unless they happen to be managing the PDF files at the same time. In that sense, they act like a bit of a ghost... though they can step in if they feel it's necessary. I decided it was necessary here...

2. What’s the reasoning behind that... Never... He hasn't actually posted anything in the Pets section yet, even though his status was updated to supermoderator back on October 15, 2012...
...and wasn't there a need to question his actions several times over?
It didn't make any difference even when the topic was first introduced... It is high time you finally brought some order to the Blue Paw subforum... Which one is still waiting on those essential answers...

It seems like you might have cut off there...No, not really... The same...It says so right there in my profile...
I joined Smod on May 1, 2013, not October 15, 2012...
You’re clearly looking at the supermoderator list on that PDF, which hasn't been updated since then. That doesn't mean everyone listed was appointed back then... The roster has definitely changed and grown since that date, even if there isn't a visible edit log to show it...

That serves as my explanation for why I wasn't part of that discussion...

I’ll briefly touch upon your post from that other thread as well, since it relates directly to my work...

I saw the inquiry, but I have no way of knowing if you actually received an answer unless you let me know the moderators aren't getting back to you. If you tell me, I can check in with them to see what's going on... I don't track every single thread or know which issues are being handled through private messages, though that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the PDF issues in general...

You never actually reached out to me about this. Please feel free to do so next time...

Any other questions...

Good to know we have that option moving forward!

Michelle Evans said:It’s a bit of both, really. He definitely didn't get kicked out just because the moderators asked him to leave. That part isn't quite right...
Smod doesn't really moderate unless they happen to be managing the PDF files at the same time. In that sense, they act like a bit of a ghost... though they can step in if they feel it's necessary. I decided it was necessary here...

2. What’s the reasoning behind that... Never... He hasn't actually posted anything in the Pets section yet, even though his status was updated to supermoderator back on October 15, 2012...
...and wasn't there a need to question his actions several times over?
It didn't make any difference even when the topic was first introduced... It is high time you finally brought some order to the Blue Paw subforum... Which one is still waiting on those essential answers...

It seems like you might have cut off there...No, not really... The same...It says so right there in my profile...
I joined Smod on May 1, 2013, not October 15, 2012...
You’re clearly looking at the supermoderator list on that PDF, which hasn't been updated since then. That doesn't mean everyone listed was appointed back then... The roster has definitely changed and grown since that date, even if there isn't a visible edit log to show it...

That serves as my explanation for why I wasn't part of that discussion...

I’ll briefly touch upon your post from that other thread as well, since it relates directly to my work...

I saw the inquiry, but I have no way of knowing if you actually received an answer unless you let me know the moderators aren't getting back to you. If you tell me, I can check in with them to see what's going on... I don't track every single thread or know which issues are being handled through private messages, though that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with the PDF issues in general...

You never actually reached out to me about this. Please feel free to do so next time...

Any other questions...

Yes!!
We sent our inquiry to moderator Snowcrowned first. She was polite enough to let us know she’s still getting caught up since she just got back.
Now we're just waiting on a response from moderator fermina-daza.

bluerider2, the previous Rules were clear and "fine," and they were followed right up until the moderator himself decided to trample over them!!
And that’s where the confusion starts.
Everyone else is expected to follow them, yet the moderator just "stomps" all over them.

Regarding the "processing" of all threads—it's been a failure since the Rules were established because you haven't approached every topic equally or applied the markers (* + - etc.)—again, due to moderator laziness, passivity, and lack of impartiality. And let me say it again: you haven't even been able to keep up with everything yourself these last few months.

However, one thing needs to be understood: when an animal shelter is in an emergency regarding food, help can be requested urgently. Donors should be given the choice to buy food themselves and bring it to the "shelter," or transfer funds provided that receipts are attached, or perhaps they prefer hand-to-hand delivery of either food or cash.

A different story is when an animal needs medical treatment or sterilization... because in those cases, money isn't needed quite as instantly (at least in 95% of cases).

BTW, on restlessangler's thread, the moderator really should have first asked if the topic was still needed and guided restlessangler toward the mistakes (because, sorry, that is actually his job), rather than just shutting her down without explanation, locking the links, and leaving her to fend for herself while the animal waits!!

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Matthew Fox4, thanks a ton for the answers!!

Hopefully, these responses get logged here too—Rules—so they're clear and available to everyone on the Forum!

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Still waiting patiently for answers.
More than 24 hours have passed, and that’s not even counting the downtime when the Forum was offline.

Thanks!
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Since we had our first "encounter" with supermoderator Michelle Evans when we were handed a red card back on July 18, 2013—not that we’re complaining about the penalty itself—we want to know:
1. Does a supermoderator just act like a ghost, waiting for regular moderators to ask for a red card, or is there actually an obligation to be impartial, look into the issue themselves, and act fairly?
2. Why has this same person never taken any action regarding Pets, despite being appointed as supermoderator on October 15, 2012, at 8:56 PM?

Nica said:Michelle Evans - Psychology, Health, pet, Gastronomy, Blog.

, yet there have been countless occasions where action was required?
The same person didn't even step in when the topic was raised: "It's high time you finally brought some order to the blue paw subforum!" which went completely ignored without any meaningful answers to the requests made!!

What exactly is the role of a supermoderator? When are they supposed to act? What are their specific duties?

Thanks for the answers!!

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If the rule is set that questions can only be posted under Messages, complaints, and comments, then that needs to be stated clearly!
But, you also have to realize that if that's the case, people expect direct answers, not evasive dodging of straightforward questions!

In the past, things were a mess, which is why the PPDF is now a dying PPDF, and because of that, plenty of high-quality moderators and forum members have walked away. A shame!! A huge shame!!

We understand that moderator Matthew Fox4 is trying to "establish" some order, but unfortunately, she’s doing it all wrong. You can't force anything through sheer willpower!

And if rules were being broken when threads were being opened before the last moderator lineup

Lisa Young83 said:I can't answer this because I've only been a moderator since June 26th of this year, and I'm not a member or part of the leadership of any animal rescue Association, so there's no conflict of interest here.

, yes, just like none of the previous moderators approached every thread equally, since there was basically only one active moderator anyway!

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Matthew Fox4, once again, the obvious questions are being dodged!

I think everyone on this Forum would be perfectly happy if the moderators actually deigned to address the inquiries, the confusion, the shutting down of informational threads, and the closing of topics without any explanation within the Announcements, suggestions, ideas, actions... thread. Because we're reading:

rustydrifter10 said:There should be a brief note explaining why a thread was locked,

and so on... and their responses shouldn't be so condescending and framed either.

Matthew Fox4, our PP was very polite and asked direct questions. If we want advice, we’ll ask for it. We aren't asking for advice right now; we're asking for answers.

Lisa Young83 said:Moderators report their absence from moderation duties in the designated area to those who need to know.

Nobody is demanding that the moderators justify their absence; we just need the users to know who they can actually contact.
As it stands, it looks like not one single person out of the six moderators has been present all day!

Bottom line, Matthew Fox4, stop going in circles!
The purpose of this thread is clear!

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Matthew Fox4, since quoting PP is against the rules, let's be crystal clear: Are the rules for opening a group thread actually the same? Specifically, do we still have to fill out a separate questionnaire for every single animal now??
Here's the thread. Which one did she open? Honestly, looking at Chocolate Puma, she’s a terrible example of what a moderator should be. Rules. It’s obvious from looking at them. They clearly want a question mark for every single animal and a serial number written down. Besides, she was the one insisting on all those other topics herself.

Regarding the Noin Arka topic, it’s an absolute certainty. Our question. Right on point!
Regarding what we discussed... The link provided.Look, some forum user just went ahead and copied a completed link from... Topics. If moderators think they get to bend the rules whenever they feel like it, then everyone else should be able to do the same. But no—here we go again, with a moderator stepping in just to meddle with the questionnaire.

Yellow card. Everything went downhill the moment Matthew Fox4 stepped in as moderator and rolled out those new rules. Now, forum members aren't even allowed to post inquiries or submit suggestions anymore. Just great.
We got a PP full of unsolicited advice, yet our direct questions remain completely ignored!

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We need a dedicated thread where moderators can post updates when they’re stepping away. Right now, it looks like we have six mods on the Blue Paw Association PDF, but in reality, only one is actually active!

We’re going to keep demanding clear answers:

Have the rules changed?
Are the rules for opening a group thread the same? Specifically, does that mean we don't have to fill out a separate questionnaire for every single animal anymore?
What are the protocols when things go south regarding food supplies? We’ve got nothing to feed the residents today.
Why can't we open informational threads anymore? Seriously. A user finds some kittens—they aren't asking for food, they aren't begging for money—they just need some advice on how to get those kittens raised properly. That's it. The last thread was closed. The forum member doesn't understand a thing.

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5. Where can I direct questions to the moderators?

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@brisknomad6, Rina has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of!!
The fact that you all ended up calling yourselves out in a thread meant for straightforward answers to clear questions? That isn't Rina's fault.

@bluerider2, it’s the truth—ever since Pingvich and Misery's Crown left, everything has gone downhill fast.
It’s also true that not every moderator stayed impartial, and some definitely let themselves get carried away too much.

Look, we fully support having Rules and order in the house, but those rules have to be crystal clear and enforced consistently—without hurting the animals that the PPDF "Blue Paw" exists to protect in the first place!

Whether it's the "Noin Arka" Association caring for over 200 animals, the "Blue Paw" Association looking after more than 130, or us as an Association managing over 45 animals (across various locations, since we don't run a dedicated shelter or facility), none of us have the luxury of waiting 15 days just to get a response or a reaction.
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Michelle Evans said:Even though this post is directed at the Admins, the moderators of the PPDF should be the ones answering specific questions regarding whether someone is being compliant or non-compliant.

I've flagged this for the moderators. They'll get back to you as soon as they're able. Just hang tight until then.

Michelle Evans, we've been waiting on a response from the moderators since July 18th, 2013!!

Matthew Fox4 posted his response to Trokutić on July 26, 2013, at 4:32 PM. It didn't actually answer the question. Just some unsolicited, well-meaning advice that nobody asked for!
Trokutić is feeling the pressure after getting slapped with a yellow card for breaking rules that they went and changed on him. 25.07.2013., 23:00It was our first time ever submitting an inquiry. 18.07.2013., 01:50

Regarding the question: "Where are we allowed to post questions?" We've been waiting on an answer since July 26th, 2013.

If there's even a little. Keep an eye on this thread.Look, just passing through is enough. It’s obvious they're more interested in getting answers from us.

Michelle Evans, as a supermoderator, you’ve seen our inquiry on the Forum yourself. Announcements, proposals, suggestions, ideas, actions... When you all jumped into that thread for other reasons.

When the moderators aren't responding, and even the supermoderators are MIA, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to demand an answer—or at least some kind of response. Help. From Admin.

With all due respect, let’s be real: the animals that need urgent help right now don't have the luxury of waiting 15 days for a moderator to react!

We’re finally going to be free.

The whole point of Blue Paw used to be about being humane. It was. Now? Not so much., It doesn't look that way anymore., Now, thanks to this inconsistent, low-quality, and downright confusing moderation, this place looks like a testing ground. Deleting posts, stripping context, destroying actual discussion... that's what we have here.Blocking help. Preventing support. Just shutting it all down.Confusing terminology. Delays in responses.Missing answers. Unclear answers. Total chaos. It’s the kind of mess that just forces you to walk away because you never know what kind of nonsense someone is going to spout next.

The moderation team has been top-tier from day one. They actually understand the issues we're dealing with. They stay active, they're incredibly responsive, and they’re always ready to jump in and help. Most importantly, they get the specific nuances of both the people involved and the problems themselves.

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Kenneth Ross8 said:With this current lineup of moderators, getting an answer to a single question is basically impossible. One of them is somewhat active, sure, but others haven't shown up in months. You’re stuck waiting days just to get a simple reaction from them. It's ridiculous.

bluerider2 said:Regarding this specific part—more precisely, since I stepped down as a moderator for KLJ back in late June, and subsequently from the Blue Paw Association on PPDF—it’s no longer my place to provide an answer. It isn't on me anymore. However, I am quoting him because you all have clearly linked his comments to the upcoming developments that directly involve me.

bluerider2, look, everyone here knows you. Every single person in this PPDF group—both KLJ and PS—knows exactly who you were when you moderated. You were the only one actually putting in the work. You didn't just sit there; you tackled everything. You never ignored a single question from a forum member when things got confusing, and you always handled those private messages, whether people were asking for help or complaining about threads getting locked. You actually showed up.

Kenneth Ross8 said:In my opinion, the PPDF "PS" has been dying over the last year. It’s because the moderators are also leaders of certain associations, and that creates a massive conflict of interest.

bluerider2 said:For the past year, I’ve served as a moderator for KLJ and held a seat on the board of the Blue Paw Association.

Never. But... Never.Look, the Blue Paw Association hasn't been out there begging for handouts on any PPDF forum. If anything, we’ve been the ones stepping up to help others whenever possible. You probably wouldn't even know that, though—we don't exactly go around blowing our own horn. It wasn't massive, sure, but we helped. Period.

We all know exactly how much help the Blue Paw Association has provided—it’s been all over Facebook.

Lori's being slow. She gave a clear answer.

In my opinion, no moderator should ever have a direct tie to an Association. Nor should any Association be elevating one group while tearing others down.
He’s here with specific tasks to complete. Personal opinions? He needs to keep those to himself or take them elsewhere.
A moderator needs to be impartial. They should approach every single topic with the exact same level of scrutiny. Period.
In my opinion, moderators actually need to know what they're talking about! They should be experts on the subject matter.

bluerider2 said:The Blue Paw Association on the KLJ has been rudely attacked several times, with people claiming we’re just using the PS subforum for our own selfish interests. I don't have the time right now to dig up the specific links, but finding them wouldn't be hard. And I recently realized that even among the moderators over at KLJ, there isn't total clarity on the fact that the Association is not the same thing as PPDF.Seriously, they're even trying to mix us up with that P group.rBlue Paw on Facebook—I wanted to make sure this got some attention.

Maybe you weren't thinking about us. Maybe there was no bad intent.

Who cares about the Blue Paw Association, the Rina group, or the Nine Lives organization? None of that matters in this thread. It also doesn't matter if people are confusing the Blue Paw Association with the PPDF or mixing up the Blue Paw Association with the Right Paw volunteer group. Irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how much help you've provided as an Association. It also doesn't matter how many dogs we rescued yesterday, or how many we sterilized...

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Alright, let's get back to the point!!
...The subject of this thread is:
Just get me some straight answers to clear questions about opening threads to help animals!
Have the rules changed?
Are the rules for opening a group thread the same? Meaning, do you still have to fill out the questionnaire for every single animal individually?
What are the rules when an asylum center runs out of food? We have absolutely nothing to feed the residents today.
Why can't we open informational threads anymore? Seriously. A member finds some kittens—they aren't asking for food, they aren't asking for cash—they just need some advice on how to actually raise them. That's it. The last thread was closed. The forum user is completely lost.

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