Edward Flores4 said:In other words—you can't really put a label on this whole "philosophy" of mine... right? 🙂
It’s actually pretty tough to put into words—you know, that specific feeling of trying to describe something that just isn't there. It's like trying to explain the shape of a hole or describing the silence in a room after a loud party ends; you aren't really talking about an object, you're talking about the absence of one. It’s a strange thing to try and capture, because how do you paint a picture using nothing but empty space? 😉
Quincy:| Who knows how this all started? Honestly, if you find that this isn't enough to keep you satisfied, you might just end up founding your own little cult one of these days. |
I mostly end up creating these little "shamanism victim societies"—it’s funny how that works—because people who have been confronted by total idiots tend to seek out comfort among those who have dealt with the exact same nonsense. It’s a survival instinct, really. And honestly? Sometimes that shared sense of revolt just turns into a full-blown case of Stockholm syndrome.
It’s to the extent that... well, there’s a certain following involved, but they mostly lobby "against me"—or at least, that's how they see it. They operate under this belief that everything they're doing is aimed at taking me down, even if, in reality, that isn't necessarily true.
Quincy:| I hear what you're saying, and I get where you're coming from—really, I do. But I think you might be framing the issue a bit arbitrarily, almost misrepresenting the core of the matter. If you actually step back and look at the big picture, you can boil down thousands of different spiritual practices into just three fundamental categories: left-hand, right-hand, and middle-way paths. |
Look, you can’t really draw a definitive conclusion until you've actually gone through and tested every single one of those thousands of options. It sounds exhausting, I know—but think about it this way: out of those 500 variations you haven't even touched yet, there could easily be two outliers that don't fit into any of our neat little categories. They might not be "left," "middle," or "right" at all. If that happens, we’re right back at square one, and honestly? You're just kidding yourself if you think you've found the answer already. ☕
Quincy:| It’s just one of those things you finally wrap your head around after spending a good chunk of time digging through the details and actually putting things to the test. |
You’re just convincing yourself at this point... mostly because you haven't actually done the work! To really know what's what, you have to roll up your sleeves and try them all out for yourself. At the end of the day—and let's be honest here—claiming one thing is superior to another without ever having even tasted it is nothing more than a flat-out lie.
I honestly believe you truly believe that lie—like, you actually think it’s the truth—so when you speak, you really are being sincere in your own mind. But here’s the thing: because that whole premise is built on nothing, your performance ends up feeling fake. It’s that kind of forced sincerity that just feels totally disingenuous to everyone else watching.
Look, deep down—somewhere under the surface where you don't usually let people peek—you’re actually aware that your whole approach is built on this shaky, pretty uncertain foundation. It feels like you’re intuitively trying to pad the numbers, almost as if you're rushing to recruit more "believers" into your little "exclusive technique." It's like you're trying to use a massive crowd to make up for the fact that the actual substance just isn't there. You're essentially trying to trade quantity for credibility, hoping that if enough people follow along, nobody will notice the lack of real weight behind it all.
Because if everyone believes the exact same thing—well, that doesn't automatically make it the truth. Not by a long shot!
Quincy:| In my case, we're talking about a stretch that lasted ten whole years. |
My deepest condolences to you.
Quincy:| There’s an old saying somewhere—you learn where your heart leads you. |
Well, people say you learn as long as you're living... but what you just said definitely isn't one of those sayings!
What you're actually implying is that "a person only learns what their biases allow them to, and anything else—anything that doesn't resonate with their 'heart'—is simply ignored."
Anyone who claims they only learn where their heart takes them is, quite frankly, being a massive ignoramus!
Quincy:| You're just throwing shade, hoping that your little preconceived notions about spiritual practices will hold water here too. But they won't. |
I’m not throwing around "my own image" or perspective... I’m working with logic, arguments, concrete knowledge, a vocabulary, and a level of informed discourse that honestly goes way beyond yours.
It’s not my "image" that needs to hold water... it’s universal logic and established facts that provide the foundation here.
In reality, I don't even have a "picture" to defend... I am simply performing a logical deconstruction of YOUR picture, and through that process, I arrive at an undeniable conclusion—your picture is illogical, practically impossible, and therefore absolutely false.
Quincy:| Until you do that, you have no right to say anything about Kabbalah while simultaneously pretending to speak the truth. |
I am under no obligation to "personally test" something that is clearly inconsistent with logic and facts just to determine if it's a fraud.
When you tell me that 2 + 2 = 7... I don't need to go grab four apples and "test" whether the sum happens to be seven... it simply WON'T be!
Quincy:| Kabbalah doesn't deal with the physical world. Even though all sciences stem from Kabbalah... |
And what’s the proof of that...?
Because you (as usual) are making cognitive assertions where the only foundation is your own cognition... you think it's true, so you say it's true... but that obviously isn't how it works!
Quincy:| You don't even know what a sect is. It has multiple meanings. Go look them up yourself. Once you find the original definition, maybe you'll understand what I meant by a mathematician following axioms... otherwise, you're just coming across as the fool here. |
So why don't you enlighten the general public with these "extra" meanings instead of just making "cognitive" claims that they exist, telling me to go find them myself, and then concluding that I'm the stupid one? 🤣
By doing that, you're insulting my intelligence, and if you keep heading in this direction, I can't really blame you for the fallout... consider yourself warned.
Oh, so you want different wording? I labeled it perfectly accurately. Your whole so-called 'contribution' to this discussion is nothing more than elementary-level deconstruction—basically, pure destruction. Beyond that, you don't even have a foundation yet. And let's be real, you're just doing this because you love the thrill of it. If you can't grasp exactly what I said and you try to reduce my precise definition of your bullshit down to "you didn't say anything," then you're honestly insulting my intelligence.
I mostly end up creating these various 'victim societies of shamanism,' because delusional fools often look for comfort among people just like them, and sometimes that rebellion turns into some kind of Stockholm syndrome...
To the point where... and this is more of a byproduct, but they mostly lobby 'against me' (meaning, they believe they're acting against me, even if they aren't necessarily right about that).
Give me a break, you just want to act all big and tough by picking on someone weaker than you. 🙄
But to reach that conclusion, you'd have to test out all several thousand of them. Because within those 500 you haven't tried, there might be two others that aren't 'leftist,' 'centrist,' or 'rightist,' which puts us right back at square one, and you'll still be lying to yourself.
You're just convincing yourself of that because you don't know any better! To actually know, you'd have to experience them all. Therefore, claiming something is better than something you haven't even tasted is just a straight-up lie.
God, the 'logical gymnastics' you're pulling here are ridiculous. 😍
Do you even hear yourself? You think it makes sense to try out thousands of spiritual paths before deciding which one fits best? That logic is absolutely brainless. Plus, it's physically impossible to pull off. By your 'universal logic,' nobody would ever find the spiritual discipline that suits them or achieve any actual spiritual progress. Go ahead, try to make that work, then come crawling back here. 😛
I believe you truly believe that lie in your heart, so you're technically being sincere, but your entire performance is just a result of an unfounded belief, making you fake in your forced sincerity.
🙂 You are seriously pathetic in how hard you're pushing this 'logic' of yours. You're stuck insisting that I act solely out of conviction, completely erasing the possibility—and the fact—that I act based on experience. It's all because you've convinced yourself that it's impossible to have experiences that provide certain proof. So you just keep drinking the same poison over and over again...
Look, if it makes you feel any better, I’ll happily admit that I haven't stumbled upon the one spiritual method that fits me perfectly, but I have found the one that works best for me right now based on what I actually know. 😛
Deep down, you clearly realize there's this massive, shaky insecurity driving your whole act, so you instinctively try to drum up a huge crowd of 'believers' for your 'exclusive technique,' thinking if you just get enough followers, people will finally take you seriously...
Because if everyone believes the same thing, it must be true—WRONG!
🤣 Wow, you're already trying to play psychoanalyst on me! Listen, that kind of talk might fly with some low-level 'spiritualists,' but to anyone who actually has real spiritual achievements, you look incredibly clumsy. You're like a little kid playing dress-up in their dad's oversized shoes, strutting around thinking they're a grown-up just to impress the kids on the playground.
My condolences!
Right back at you, Edward Flores4...
They say a person learns throughout their life... but what you just said isn't something anyone actually says!
It’s said where I come from. What you wrote basically boils down to "people only learn what their prejudices allow them to, and they simply ignore everything else that doesn't please their 'heart.'"
Anyone who only learns what makes their heart happy is nothing more than a total idiot!
You don't even grasp the basic mechanics of how a human being functions. You probably ignored them because they don't suit your little narrative. The mind is the servant of the heart. By 'heart,' I mean the sum of all human desires. The heart wants, and the mind gets to work figuring out how to make that desire happen. If you honestly think humans operate any other way, then I'd be insulting my own intelligence by even arguing with you.
I'm not peddling 'my own image'... I deal in logic, arguments, concrete knowledge, vocabulary, being informed, and a level of sophisticationthat far exceeds yours.
I don't need an 'image' to hold water... my 'water' is held up by universal logic and widely accepted facts.
You just painted your own picture, specifically highlighting the parts that make you look good. Universal logic? I know exactly where you learned that—in your own private little universe. Here’s a quick reality check for your 'universal logic': why does the universe exist? If that's too heavy for you, why does a human exist? Or a frog? Or anything at all? ☕
What "widely accepted facts"? You haven't brought up a single relevant one. I've already debunked most of your 'facts' regarding the Kabbalah...
Vocabulary? So you're slightly above average, big deal. Who cares...
Being informed? Give me a break. You're delusional. Every single bit of information you've dropped about the Kabbalah has been dead wrong. And I've already torn apart your pathetic attempts at psychoanalyzing me.
Arguments? Where?! All I see are your own projections, and they're pretty shallow at that... where's the actual experience that serves as a real foundation for an argument?
Culture and manners? You’re acting incredibly arrogant and just plain rude.
You really went all out in that bolded part, didn't you? Honestly, you're just proving my point once again—you're absolutely right about what I said. 😛
Quincy:
| Look, I don't actually have a "picture" or whatever you want to call it... I’m just sitting here performing a logical deconstruction of YOUR image, and honestly, once I strip away all the nonsense, I land on one undeniable conclusion—your whole premise is completely illogical, practically impossible, and therefore an absolute lie. |
Of course you have a picture... you literally just drew it yourself! I already laid out exactly why your "applied logic" is nothing more than total nonsense—it's completely absurd, fake, and fundamentally flawed.
Quincy:
Look, I’m not about to go out and waste my own damn time personally testing every single thing that doesn't add up logically or contradicts the facts just to prove it's a scam!
Look, when you sit there and insist that 2 + 2 equals 7, I don't need to go out and grab four apples just to "test" if they somehow magically turn into seven... because they absolutely won't! It’s common sense, for crying out loud! |
What exactly is it about Kabbalah that you think doesn't line up with logic and facts? Seriously, what part of it is bothering you so much?
Quincy:
And what exactly is the proof for that?
Look, you’re doing that thing again where you just spout off these "cognitive" theories that have absolutely zero basis in reality other than the fact that they're stuck inside your own head! You honestly think because you've convinced yourself of some nonsense, that makes it a universal truth, but let me tell you—it clearly isn't! |
Look, if I think one thing and you think the exact opposite, then we’re both just sitting here stuck in our own little heads, and that doesn't make either of us right. For one of us to actually be correct, someone would need to pull off some massive, undeniable breakthrough that proves everything—every single science out there—actually stems from Kabbalah or whatever else it might be. Since I haven't reached that level of genius quite yet, I can't personally swear by it; I'm just passing along what those Kabbalists have observed, though who knows if they even got it right.
Here’s what a few people I follow—and you too—have been saying about Kabbalah:
It’s honestly mind-blowing how many big-shot academics spend their entire careers obsessing over the secrets of Kabbalah, and frankly, I think they’re missing the forest for the trees most of the time! You have these massive intellectuals pouring over ancient texts like they're cracking some cosmic code, yet half of them seem to be just chasing academic clout rather than actually grasping the weight of what they're studying. It reminds me of this professor I had back in college who could quote every philosopher from Plato to Nietzsche by heart, but the second you asked him something practical about real life, his brain just totally short-circuited. It’s the same thing here—you’ve got all these heavy hitters writing endless volumes on mysticism, but sometimes I wonder if they even realize that true spiritual insight isn't something you can just package up into a tidy little dissertation and hand out at a symposium!
You wouldn't believe the garbage being pumped out lately, but apparently, there are all these big-shot academics actually trying to make sense of Kabbalah these days. It’s honestly exhausting how much energy these scholars pour into dissecting ancient mysticism like they’re just solving some math equation at Harvard, when you know deep down it’s way more intense than their little textbooks could ever capture.
It’s honestly mind-blowing how many big-shot academics spend their entire lives obsessing over Kabbalah, and frankly, most of them wouldn't know a real spiritual truth if it hit them square in the face! I was reading this massive tome the other day—one of those dense, overly complicated books you'd find in a dusty corner of the New York Public Library—and it just reminded me how much these "experts" love to overanalyze things that are meant to be felt, not dissected like a lab specimen under a microscope.
Sure, that doesn't exactly prove all science stems from Kabbalah, but it definitely shows just how serious they're being about their "application" for that position.
Quincy:
So instead of actually enlightening the general public about those "extra" meanings, you just keep making these vague "cognitive" claims that they exist, then have the nerve to tell me I should go out and find them myself, and finally wrap the whole thing up by acting like I'm some kind of idiot! 🤣
You’re honestly insulting my intelligence at this point, and frankly, if you keep heading down this same path, there isn't much I can even say to you besides consider yourself warned. |
Man, it is absolutely freezing out there today! I stepped outside for two seconds and felt like I was walking straight into an industrial freezer in Chicago. Seriously, someone needs to turn up the heat on this entire planet because I am officially done with this weather. 😍
Does everyone just want everything handed to them on a silver platter these days? It’s getting ridiculous—everything is so damn difficult lately, and honestly, you can't even just look something up without hitting a wall.
from wiki:Etymologically speaking, the term "sect" actually traces back to the Latin noun *secta*—which is just a feminine version of a past participle from *sequi*, meaning "to follow." It basically refers to a "beaten path" or a specific way of doing things, which eventually evolved into describing a particular discipline or school of thought held together by certain doctrines. Nowadays, people get confused because there’s another Latin word, *secta* (from *secare*, meaning "to cut"), which makes it sound like these groups are just pieces chopped off from the main religious body. It’s funny how language works like that, especially since in places like Italy, they use the word *setta* to cover both "sect" and "cult" at once.
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Look, if you don't change your entire attitude toward responding to my posts and stop being so incredibly destructive, I'm done talking to you. I told you right from the jump that I could sense what you were up to. This is your absolute last chance to flip the script as far as I'm concerned. If you want to talk, then prove you actually know what you're talking about by using some actual facts, decent vocabulary, and a shred of basic human decency instead of this nonsense...